Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Tilgarial]

almost everybody was talking about sussing aro, but nobody was actively moving there. that's a werid situation no matter how you put it, no?

eh, same can be said about a lot of slots though. why did the situation warrant changing? why was that enough for you to disregard your earlier tr on aro?

I wasn't disregarding my tr on aro
I had a micro tr on aro, but several points didn't sit right with me
parts I caught in the perpetual catchup, parts just directly in the moment
I'm also like 90% sure I said something to that effect, tbh

as for the comment about other slots, when I voted there was a LOT of talk about sussing/voting aro, but nobody started/did it
like
the way people were talking, aro was already a higher sus than both other wagons
the switch would have happend at some point regardless of my vote, but me accelerating that definitely cleared up the air in regards to what was actually going on

[santygrass]

Alison
Porscha
Tilgarial
Seanzie > Dyachei
Cham > Nanook

Its where I am currently at

Rondo exists too if something is wrong there.

But I feel like with that list we are on a good track tbf

[Lilypetal]

Neon is town. I can say this with a lot of certainty after catching up. I will remember this neon for all future games

Please don't. I don't want to have to try this hard in all my games.

uh this isn't off of effort or anything

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Neon is town. I can say this with a lot of certainty after catching up. I will remember this neon for all future games

Please don't. I don't want to have to try this hard in all my games.

uh this isn't off of effort or anything

Oh god.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Me in all future games

[Tilgarial]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
/vote arogame

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon

@Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change

almost everybody was talking about sussing aro, but nobody was actively moving there. that's a werid situation no matter how you put it, no?

eh, same can be said about a lot of slots though. why did the situation warrant changing? why was that enough for you to disregard your earlier tr on aro?

I wasn't disregarding my tr on aro
I had a micro tr on aro, but several points didn't sit right with me
parts I caught in the perpetual catchup, parts just directly in the moment
I'm also like 90% sure I said something to that effect, tbh

can you go into specifics? what did sit right with you?

my original tr on aro was for basically choosing a pro-town(open/honest/clear) over a pro-aro narrative when talking about his previous actions
one post he had... somewhere. maybe around 800ish? was similar... but felt more forced, tbh
which shook confidence in my original read
then there was the fact aro went after lily/porscha when they did, lily with a blank vote & explanations only when promted and porscha effectively as a "hey, people don't seem happy with current wagons? well, there's this lhf..."
also the thing where they brought up the santy thing exactly when they did, though in hindsight that wasn't intentional
I think there was one more thing, but rn I don't remember what

[Seanzie]

@ilario

read seanzie for me please

things that have stood out to me today:

Seanzie is normally a very aware player. He reads the thread and comes up with good reads as a result. But today when mac was asking me to assume aro was a revered mafia player and to solve his wagon based on that, seanzie missed the very premise and only focused on his name.

It's things like this that make me not like the people pushing for a me/dya difference check.

Dya could be a wolf here, but their points on me are valid based on their experience with me. They haven't played with busy Seanzie who doesn't read most of the posts, they've only played with tryhard Seanzie.

Dya: Bad news, I'm going to become even less likely to have the whole picture and even more ego-search driven over the next few days. Workdays are... hard.

[Seanzie]

it looks like everyone is w reading me today, so please make sure to not let off of seanzie when I flip

I'll do u one better and chop him even if you flip mafia

Now this is a pro gamer move.

[Belzy]

Nobody told me if I'm being dumb so imma jump down my rabbit hole and assume at least one woof in Millium wagon

I think it's likely exactly 1 and it's Porscha but since that's being resolved I'll look at the other players.

I am still catching up, so sorry i have to ask: who or what will resolve Porscha?

[santygrass]

You are kinda both PoE slots that were at each other throats so it was like an obv diff check since I think if its V/V we are really misclearing people and I dont think that is the case.

Anyways Seanzie, what is your read on Alison? Other than Dya who are your scumreads? Most confident town?

[santygrass]

Nobody told me if I'm being dumb so imma jump down my rabbit hole and assume at least one woof in Millium wagon

I think it's likely exactly 1 and it's Porscha but since that's being resolved I'll look at the other players.

I am still catching up, so sorry i have to ask: who or what will resolve Porscha?

Lilypetal said they could. We dont know how

[Seanzie]

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

ahhh ok thanks. so that means porcha claimed something already?

i think she did but I dont remember details

on another note my ideal wagons today would probably be porscha and seanzie. I think porscha's solving today leaves a lot to be desired

@Seanzie get in here and do alignment indicative things.

You pushing me/dya vs wanting to figure out of the Millium->Aro shift was wolf-driven is an extremely bad look for you.

The fact that the thread is going along with it suggests that my earling foreboding feelings about yesterdays EoD thread movements is likely spot on and town needs to re-eval hard and understand why D1 happened the way D1 happened, or we're gonna get into a pickle pretty quickle.

[Seanzie]

Oh, I guess people are just killing Alison. I really thought it'd end up me/Dya today.

Shows how much I know. There is a lot of day left though.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Kinda think this flip would actually lead to the most likely winning state for town.

[Belzy]

I feel overwhelmed by the thread activity. Don't expect too much posting from me today.

[Belzy]

Nobody told me if I'm being dumb so imma jump down my rabbit hole and assume at least one woof in Millium wagon

I think it's likely exactly 1 and it's Porscha but since that's being resolved I'll look at the other players.

I am still catching up, so sorry i have to ask: who or what will resolve Porscha?

Lilypetal said they could. We dont know how

Okay, thanks.

[Belzy]

Hey Neon, what's your reads rn?

Ender, you surivived d1. Now I wont go easy on you anymore.

Go ahead, what do you mean?

If it's asking questions, you have my permission to grill me whatever way you want.

Because at Mafia Cafe you usely got lynched d1.

I should re-catchup first, I forgot half of people their reads while catching up on hundreds of posts.

I got D1'd on Mafcafe like twice. Out of over 10 games.

Albeit those were some pretty notable D1's.

I see. Well, i was there, and later i retired.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Nobody told me if I'm being dumb so imma jump down my rabbit hole and assume at least one woof in Millium wagon

I think it's likely exactly 1 and it's Porscha but since that's being resolved I'll look at the other players.

I am still catching up, so sorry i have to ask: who or what will resolve Porscha?

Lily on mech

[Seanzie]

I feel overwhelmed by the thread activity. Don't expect too much posting from me today.

It's okay. I'm shielding you.

[Belzy]

Sup punks I'm the vig and I'm here to troll the shit out of this game vote nanook

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

How serious was this vote?

Why would I have called you scum yet?

But are you... broken?

Is this trying to be funny?

Did it work?

I laughed lol

You are my friend now. If I scumread you at some point, I will look away for a few seconds.

I don't think you've scum read me but what are your current thoughts on my slot?

So dya, chamo en santy are the only three people who have yet to enter the thread. Lily is still stuck on 5 posts. So that are at least 4 spots I cannot have a read on right now.

I'm Intrested now in your reads on all of these slots can you tell me what your feeling?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you have a reason for the Alison vote or is it just a meh level vote?

Yeah j think she's mafia

I slightly scumread Alison, but see other people being confident in townreading Alison. My initial read on Alison was also town but that changed over time. What makes you think Alison is mafia?

[VOTE: illario] aubergine

Read pending catchup but ew.

I have been going back and forward in my head regarding Ilario. Tell me after your catchup where you are standing on him.

I noticed here that on 2 consecutive reads you were kind of wishy washy. You basically said I can't figure them out I thought they were town but they might be scum.

Has your read on either Alison or Illario solidified?

Oh yeah btw Neon is probably almost definitely town.

I love poking players I've pocketed recently and she's fallen right into what I expect for it.

Fuck man, ender and my brain is melding so hard rn it’s kind of insane.

Gtfo lmfao

Also pocketing Aro.

Quick I'm running out of pockets.

Stop talking this way, Ender. You are either scum doing this, or I am getting paranoid over it.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

How serious was this? What are your current thoughts on Ender?

@EnderWiggin @Belzy in a world where if Alison is mafia, what do u think that means for Ilario?

Ilario strongly townreads Alison, so I was more thinking about what if Ilario is scum and Alison is town, or they are both scum but different parties. I don't see Ilario townreading Alison strongly as an indication they have to be teamed; I find it way too early to make such assumptions.

Having said that:

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Something I didn't note on first read thru why did you say that they might both be scum but differing parties? It's an Intresting take and I'm interested in what you meant by it?

I wished Belzy would go more in depth with their read on Wisp and Alison tho when I asked them because I wanted to better understand why they felt the way they did and didn’t get as much :/

If you’re still there @Belzy I’d appreciate if u can dive into more on ur Alison/Wisp sr and why u feel the way u do.

I know u said you’d wait for wisp to post more but I also want to see why their recent posting didn’t change the needle for u.

I am at work right now, so I can't dive into everything until I got more time. For now I can say I am not always sold on the direction and track of thoughts coming from them. More about them and others still pending. I am trying to look into more people than just them.

Can I get more info on your Wisp read from day 1 and how it's changed now? You never did expand on this.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Final vote ends up here. Missed EoD but noted that they would early like really early.

Oh God, why did you have to multi quote me. I hate that.

Nanook vote was not a serious vote.

I will mention you every next post where i answer a next question/quote

[Belzy]

@Neon i townlean on you, your involvement looks townly and your vibe also well

[Tilgarial]

Spoiler: show

I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Spoiler: show

My role gives me a bonus if I have no vote at EOD. Therefore I will not be voting in the poll. I will not be claiming exact details or flavor in order to avoid a soupkill. I will still use the vote tags to indicate my strongest suspicion.

Anyway Rondo is mafia.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Milium town Seanzie town.

Why am I town?

You are out of your scum range.

Milium town Seanzie town.

I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?

See above for Seanzie.

Milium is town because they are a completely fresh face in the middle of an extremely insular playerlist that all know each other and have lots of experience with each other and still come off as the most relaxed and comfortable person in the thread.

I rescind my townread on Seanzie because he didn't get offended enough when I said he was out of his scum range.

Rondo is being reasonable and townie and solvey which means he is lock mafia.

Just to be clear I have a bonus if I don't vote but I can still vote if I want so if voting is more important than getting the bonus (eg. tie between me and my scumread and I need to self pres) I will.

Wisp is town clearing me for claiming my role in post 1?

Okay well that's weird and suspicious because I don't think Wisp's knowledge of me should lead him to do that.

@Millium Haven't you seen me do bold fakeclaims before?

Alison SoD I think was the towniest by far in regards to how they were giving reads and that sort of stuff. Even if alison is a wolf their SoD was the more pro-villa one with how they were just putting their reads out there imo
Also I think likely unpaired with Wisp

Currently at the Neon post.

Aro
Wisp
Seanzie
Neon
Rondo

My scumreads

Mac shielding Aro and Rondo

I trust Mac so take the other three as my immediate POE

There are good odds that this is all town fwiw.
Is alison a power-wolfy type of player?
Like, I only see from there rondo or Seanzie being Wolves. And if Porscha is a wolf f.e, then I think Rondo is less likely. Same stuff in W!dya V!seanzie scenarios .

Or maybe Rondo is mafia there and they are using Mac shield too tbh

Btw the power-wolfy type of player I need answered by people who know Alison because if not I think usually a list with various names as PoE without any wolf I usually indicate it more towards lack of TMI tbh

SPF progression on Illario was decent

Tilgarial feels like they're working alone.

Townleans for both.

@Alison is this your first time playing with Tilg btw? Have you read champs sf2 or finale?

Millium, Porscha, Santy, Lily, Aro.

Of those with votes, these are the wagons I can tolerate.

Aro and Millium are both a step above in preference (ie. I want them dead more).

Here are minimum 4 Town too btw.

I think Porscha likely a wolf there but Idrc them pushing Porscha or going there ? We'll see later in the ISO i guess.

But anyways Alison is super off irt to reads and its worrying

I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Why?

Because doesnt feel like town violenece onto Alison at all imo. I dont vibed much with the way Alison was pushed maybe.

But now I am rereading and vibing less with alison as a whole so on hold

And also like, the way alison reacted to the push maybe add onto my feeling that it isnt full of Villa's there?

Porscha is an ok exe. Would prefer Wisp or Aro but this is fine.

Wowee post if Porscha is mafia

I feel apathetic because I am set in my reads and short of someone towning it up super hard or outing themselves I doubt I'll change them. Everything I am reading has made me more and more certain in those reads. I know it is confbias but I love being confbiased so that's fine.

I'm not gonna vote unless it's a really dire situation. So there's not much point in me sitting around here arguing with people for the next 7 hours especially since the current wagons are very okay with me anyway. I'm just going to do what Nook does and post my reads and then chill. Ping me if someone towns it up super hard or outs themselves. I will probably check in in the last few minutes just in case I need to self pres or if the wagons are tied between Mac and Aro or something silly.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: Lilypetal, EnderWiggin, Porscha, santygrass
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon
Shrug: dyachei, Chamomile, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

If you're not on here it means you're meh.

And like .. if Porscha/Tilg are indeed W/W , this amount of wolfsiding of Alison is crazy LOL

There is about an 80% chance that I will be mechanically locked town by D2. It's not deterministic since there's potential stuff that could mess with it (esp in a closed setup) but it exists. So if there's a doctor or similar they should be on me.

Displeased that nook voted Alison still smh

Actually I'm going to drop some respect to Lily and trust her Santy shield.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: EnderWiggin, Porscha, Rondo
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Neon
I scumread by Lily is shielding and I trust her: Santygrass
Shrug: dyachei, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie, Lilypetal, Chamomile
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

This is a bit better cuz they moved a kinda PoE slot to town and trusted a shield on another town player, that goes a bit against the PowerWolf Alison Perspective I was making ik my head while thinking of how W!Alison approached this game

SPF could you explain your votes on me and then Tilg? Do you genuinely think those are the most likely to flip mafia?

Standing Emoji

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Nobody is allowed to vote me now or town loses a PR

I still kinda townread the derp. But looking at Alison reads and people stating that Alison tends to fakeclaims I am not going to weigh that much fwiw. At least not so much looking at the Tilg confident townread or the lowkey shield on Porscha. Or how they talked to spf with why they voted her / Tilg.
Like, that post explains quite a bit why spf was killed and perfectly makes sense in a world where Alison is worried about the spf godreads tbh

I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Intresting. Well my mech town read is gone now lol

Don't worry if everything goes right you'll have me as mech town by tomorrow anyway.

@Alison are you 3p? Like ffs you should be more salty at nook for their vote. Specially considering that you said your role was clearing, and you are okay with being a wagon?
Like I expect you to say 'get off me stop throwing I can clear myself easily' but you not boosting that or using it as much makes me think it isnt clearing and you were being performative.
So I would like for you to expand on what is your approach to your wagon and what do you think of your role

Wisp has just moved from "top scumread" to "policy exe".

This read didnt hold up.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

If we think Dya/Seanzie is a diff check. I think the wolf is most likely Seanzie in a W!alison world . My thoughts just looking at the ISO tbh.

Personally I would vote Wisp even if he's town because he's a liability.

And if he flips town, how does that change your perspective?

Chamomile moves into my lock towns, and I have a long talk with you. Then I start hunting for who I miscleared on the Wisp wagon.

I think the approach alison was stating near EoD like... Didnt hold up at all today? And makes me lean more into it being fake.
Like, I dont remember alison pressuring much Wisp at all and its just keeping them in sidelines tbh

What reason do you have to suspect Tilg?

Tilg has treated me in an incredibly townie way.

Standing Emoji. The amount of confidence in the Tilg read is lynch worthy.
Because they either
A)Havent played with Tilg before so they shouldn't have this confidence
B)Have played/spectated Tilg before and should know that their reasons for clearing Tilg are bad ones IMO

According to you voting out a town Wisp would immediately out half the mafia team when people aren't willing to follow you on them... why are you reluctant about it?

Bruh, I don’t vote my tr to prove a point.

It’s a win/win because either wisp dies due other people voting him and then whoever is town on the wagon will realize or, Porscha dies and likely flips mafia which will change a lot of people’s minds as well lol.

Like a Porscha flip also helps people realize that wisp is likely town based on gamestate thread with voting movemengs

hahahaha no

if porscha flips mafia I am gonna shoot wisp in the night regardless. He is a liability and must be killed

Alison felt SO strongly about Wisp and I feel like Alison didnt tackle or pushed Wisp today and I think that is kinda outing ngl.
In a sense that the perspective Alison puts in the thread doesnt holds up + wolfsiding

@Millium give someone a gift to not vote you and vote Alison unless she unvotes you

Actually vote Alison unless she votes Porscha.

I have hard claimed that I have a powerful townsided PR that is unlocked through me not getting any votes.

Anyone who votes me is essentially outing as scum... so if Millium votes me I'm going to vote him 10x as much and see it as a last ditch effort for scum to try to take away a town PR while going down.

Alison not slapping nanook for their actions, or signal boosting this irt to their wagon today, just makes its far more likely that it was indeed a fake claim.

Nook was right all along and I had the skill issue !?!?
Stop this I want to leave

also alison the only reason i wasnt burying aro with you and mac earlier is because i wasn't here. i was pinged by his posts in the last few pages the moment that i actually read him

Ok i trust u

I will be shot tonight so if spf is mafia this is just me giving her the usual d1 pass and u are all bad for not listening to my warnings to make her do stuff

If she is town i was right to trust her

I think these type of posts + them kinda bothering spf for not being there and 'burying wolves' just speaks to me as Alison clearly being wary of spf this game LOL

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

This progression on Wisp doesnt feel right /shrug.
Or at least it rubs me as not expected from alison reading how strongly they felt about Wisp D1 lol.

I have a townread on dya because I thought their EOD treatment of Aro isn't as likely to come from a mafia.

Idk I think I missed the quote, but later Alison said that they didnt had a strong read on dya when Mac asked. Thats prob a non w/w treatment lf dya fwiw , because Alison could easily try to slide this specific read to throw light onto a partner .

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

In hindsight bolded feels like an... Obtuse question? Like, the reason is obvious that a wolf would feel threatened by a player voting them . And I reached to sus both of you in the end so you were kinda right in the end alison hmmyes

Tilg being on both SPF and Aro scum lists is a bad look for them.

Bye bye the confident townread. Never talked about it again when thread started suspecting Tilg. Their read on tilg was FAKE

I do agree that you should be permitted to attempt to mech self resolve yourself and that you were disallowed that on day 1 was a misplay.

There's a random element to my role which means I only self resolve 80%ish of the time (plus minus some % in case there's role shenanigans at play) but 80% is a pretty big number so if you want to policy me if the 20% hits I don't mind. Since that would be a pretty unlucky scenario and I'd have to play as someone who failed to self resolve for the rest of the game... I don't mind a policy in that case.

Alison is... So quiet about this. Like ffs if I were in their shoes I would be screaming at town for misplaying and not just let me resolve? Like wtf Mac even signals it too and she just 'agrees' and even says its okay to be policied or something?
Feels less and less genuine lol

Porscha is probably volume tell outed

This is the most aggro post irt to Porscha. Compare how Alison is treating Porscha/Tilg to how they were pushing Wisp and aro yesterday and its kind of night and day tbh .

@Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

I agree with this tbh. But Alison even tho it seems to be on the correct read of Tilg/Porscha isnt pushing much for it at all and only seems like a standby vote on Porscha.
Also smh killing me you bish die

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

I think this most often than not is a read that comes from a scum mindset tbh.
And like, I am not even sure its clearing for Cham and could be easily be W/W theater lol. But I'll think about that later

Putting my posts about Alison ISO in one post, for easy referencing purposes. And pelt purpose ofc .

@Tilgarial lmk your thoughts on it when you have time

I only skimmed this, so might have more thoughts later
I'm mildly baffled by alisons progression on me, so if @alison could talk about that/somebody talk with alison about it if I don't get the chance, that would be great.
I also remember thinking I wasn't sure wether the part where she changed what her claim was, was real(as in, from her, not the power). but I don't know if that's AI, tbh
amusingly enough, the wolfsiding comment might resonate with me despite being from the wrong angle. aro flipped town, and I'd currently say Millium might be town too, with probably another 2 town or so in her upper PoE in the particular readlist that you said that to.
the people in alisons PoE might want to take a look at how they read each other, tbh.

in general, yeah, taking a magnifying glass to alison today and seeing where that leads is probably a good thing

[Alison]

I have 23 pings. There is no justification for this.

[Alison]

I'm not reading anything. Someone tell me what Neon's mech claim is and why I'm being run up.

[Millium]

@Tilgarial
Why can't u be voted?

[Tilgarial]

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

[Alison]

I see, the problem is that none of you understand how to use power roles optimally and so you expect me to approach things in a way that I wouldn't.

Also people putting me in a solve with Tilg/Porscha and then voting me are insane.

[Alison]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

[santygrass]

I put all my post refering to me ISOing you in a single post that Tilg just recently quoted Alison if you want to read that and find out why are you being run up hmmyes

[santygrass]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

[Belzy]

@Belzy what is your name on MU and do you plan to do something? You've been on the sidelines!

Internet Cupid

And you posted that 5 am, my time. My bed is on the sideline

[Alison]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

[Alison]

I put all my post refering to me ISOing you in a single post that Tilg just recently quoted Alison if you want to read that and find out why are you being run up hmmyes

I read it and think you're mafia trying to replicate your Spiritfarer play and get off the hook that way.

[santygrass]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

You expressed high confidence on it. So I asked you aout your experience with playing with Tilgarial. Because people that have played with them before said that attitude is t clearing for Tilgarial. That read feels super wolfsided, dont you agree?

[Tilgarial]

@Tilgarial
Why can't u be voted?

I've said this before, but I have no clue. as far as I'm aware, it's nothing I did
my power is very much not about me, and I didn't get a mod DM or anything about being affected by a power like that/or something similar
like
maybe I targeted somebody with a retaliatory power to that effect? but that sounds like a weird power
but if not that, somebody else did it intentionally, and I dunno who or why

[Alison]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

You expressed high confidence on it. So I asked you aout your experience with playing with Tilgarial. Because people that have played with them before said that attitude is t clearing for Tilgarial. That read feels super wolfsided, dont you agree?

What attitude?

[Tilgarial]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

what game mechanics? that I can't be voted?

[Belzy]

Alison ilario @Neon i basicly did not exclude any options, and said it was too early to decide their alignments and or relationship

[Alison]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

what game mechanics? that I can't be voted?

I deduced that it was almost certainly a mafia effect yes.

[santygrass]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

You expressed high confidence on it. So I asked you aout your experience with playing with Tilgarial. Because people that have played with them before said that attitude is t clearing for Tilgarial. That read feels super wolfsided, dont you agree?

What attitude?

Feeling 'independent' while solving.
Specially if we take into account that Tilg wolfed both in semis and finale in champs and won. And people playing with them there were not clearing him

[santygrass]

Like, looking at how are your reads now, there is no world in where you are town, look at your D1 and say 'Omg I wolfsided so much fml'

[Alison]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

You expressed high confidence on it. So I asked you aout your experience with playing with Tilgarial. Because people that have played with them before said that attitude is t clearing for Tilgarial. That read feels super wolfsided, dont you agree?

What attitude?

Feeling 'independent' while solving.
Specially if we take into account that Tilg wolfed both in semis and finale in champs and won. And people playing with them there were not clearing him

That was the reason I initially townread Tilg but it is not the reason I cleared him. But even if it was and even if I had seen these posts explaining his meta I would have maintained my read because it has nothing to do with Tilg having "independent" solving and everything to do with him feeling alone in the thread. I also just am confident that I am better at reading these things genuinely than others.

So I am not sure why you would ever expect me to take such a silly point into consideration.

[Tilgarial]

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

okay. I'll be honest, I don't know what SPF would have done. I don't know them nearly well enough to make that assumption/argue about it
but why are you sheeping those reads? what about them makes you think they are good reads?

[Alison]

Like, looking at how are your reads now, there is no world in where you are town, look at your D1 and say 'Omg I wolfsided so much fml'

Well I wolfsided by killing aro and probably wolfsided by trusting Tilg. Rest of my reads are probably still ok. Don't feel bad about suspecting Wisp since he is either wolf or honorary wolf and Cham is likely 3P so happy to sus there too.

[Belzy]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

Setting up lynches

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Tilgarial]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

what game mechanics? that I can't be voted?

I deduced that it was almost certainly a mafia effect yes.

alright. from my PoV, that doesn't hold up, because it's not my action. although, I'd actually agree that somebody being unvotable is a very sus thing, so I understand this PoV somewhat.
but I still very much think I can clear up the sus on me, so for what reason would I want that? was I actually at a point where I was suspicious enough to be basically the guaranteed D2 exe, or at least likely enough to put a target like that on my back?
actually, when I talk about it like that, it does really sound like a mafia power
just, used on town to make them look worse
not sure how much of that comes from me knowing I'm town though, so meh

[Alison]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

Setting up lynches

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Yes you are right I have been setting up an exe on the person I have scumread all of D2. Excellent deduction.

[Tilgarial]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

Setting up lynches

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

townreading me currently seems like a hot take, and I'm not entirely sure what else you could mean here?

[Alison]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

what game mechanics? that I can't be voted?

I deduced that it was almost certainly a mafia effect yes.

alright. from my PoV, that doesn't hold up, because it's not my action. although, I'd actually agree that somebody being unvotable is a very sus thing, so I understand this PoV somewhat.
but I still very much think I can clear up the sus on me, so for what reason would I want that? was I actually at a point where I was suspicious enough to be basically the guaranteed D2 exe, or at least likely enough to put a target like that on my back?
actually, when I talk about it like that, it does really sound like a mafia power
just, used on town to make them look worse
not sure how much of that comes from me knowing I'm town though, so meh

The flip made you look really bad so yes I think you would have been run up if you had not been removed from the poll.