Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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) anne
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) Dyslexicon
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) iaafr
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) ilario / leetic
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) Lime Coke
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) Marmot
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) nutella
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) staypositivefriend
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) remove vote
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) TSP (host dead non)
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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falcon45ca wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:30 pm Some of you already know this, and were alerted as soon as it happened, so may as well catch everyone up to speed.




Mac & I are now Lovers.
yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It appears to have had less thread impact than we expected
give it time
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:20 pm @falcon45ca I have collected a solid number of town reads and posted them. I may not have posted the generic ~list~ but it’s in the plans once I can dedicate some time to review. For the moment here are town reads in no particular order:

leetic/ilario
cassandralexa
nutella
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staypositivefriend

I feel pretty good about this group. There are some others I might consider e.g. Marmot. I’ll see.
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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well im not exactly sure this is the dynamic in this game but

v/v/v/v/v/v/v/v alexa/nutella/iaafr/lc/spf/marmot/leetic/ilario

is an inherently demoralizing rand from scum perspective

so a lot of assumptions of scum getting more done for the sake of their agenda might be explained simply by lack of motivation
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:44 pmneat
bruh arent you townreading nutella
i don't care about any of my reads i just care about not dying lol
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:47 pm well im not exactly sure this is the dynamic in this game but

v/v/v/v/v/v/v/v alexa/nutella/iaafr/lc/spf/marmot/leetic/ilario

is an inherently demoralizing rand from scum perspective

so a lot of assumptions of scum getting more done for the sake of their agenda might be explained simply by lack of motivation
you're operating in the universe that mac and jay randed wolf together and lack of motivation was a problem
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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anyway this is post 91/100 for me

gonna "save" posts again (will probably blow them whenever i think of funny stuff to post rather than actual substantive and helpful things to post

my worldview and preferred course of action remains "nuke naa/mac/anne in any order then re-eval after"

glhf
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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falcon45ca wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:20 pm @falcon45ca I have collected a solid number of town reads and posted them. I may not have posted the generic ~list~ but it’s in the plans once I can dedicate some time to review. For the moment here are town reads in no particular order:

leetic/ilario
cassandralexa
nutella
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Lime Coke
staypositivefriend

I feel pretty good about this group. There are some others I might consider e.g. Marmot. I’ll see.
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:49 pm anyway this is post 91/100 for me

gonna "save" posts again (will probably blow them whenever i think of funny stuff to post rather than actual substantive and helpful things to post

my worldview and preferred course of action remains "nuke naa/mac/anne in any order then re-eval after"

glhf
i don't buy your progression on me from the start of the day to here... you went from townreading me, and then when SPF voted for me you started acting as if you were always scumreading me
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:50 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:49 pm anyway this is post 91/100 for me

gonna "save" posts again (will probably blow them whenever i think of funny stuff to post rather than actual substantive and helpful things to post

my worldview and preferred course of action remains "nuke naa/mac/anne in any order then re-eval after"

glhf
i don't buy your progression on me from the start of the day to here... you went from townreading me, and then when SPF voted for me you started acting as if you were always scumreading me
i got convinced that maybe its naive to clear you for those associations, which was my main reason (see the two posts i made about hating everybody's association reads including my own)

and like

i have been scumreading you for quite some time in this game

and also my progression not being explicit and easily followable is a towntell for me

if youre town you could be right on spf? idk? im certainty a horrible direction though
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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He put Anne as Maf, DrW, MR, NAA as Town



None of whom were in his TR list he gave me. We've got MR's flip as Town
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:44 am I thought jay Mac interactions were clearing for Mac tbh

and besides that I thought mac's handling of his role was p towny
solid town read
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:17 am
MacDougall wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:55 am This post looks town to me for reasons I don’t want to get into. The EM gang or others should say if they feel this is not a post to be town read.

leetic/ilario are probably my top town read.
lol Jay wolfing
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nutella wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:03 am I guess I think nook and jay are v/v now lmao
ok ur town lol
Why
Do me a favour and just ignore my presence until I do things that matter k?
these look unaligned to me btw
shows evidence
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:28 am my main concern with mac is he farts just way too much
meme read
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:43 am wilgy if you are town you should want to kill into { anne naa mac esooa dizzy } with my emphasis on the first three

i almost wanna flip mac first to see if falcon could somehow be w/w there
suddenly I am POE... also please note that this is a TMI slip that Falcon and I are lovers I think
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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:52 am yea it was a fine shot

im here telling you i think any of {anne naa mac} are currently superior votes to nutella in my head but u do u

going to sleep for real now gn glhf
now he's promoting the worldview that I am lock wolf

also this morning after the lover revelation you said words to the effect of that you're willing to sacrifice falcon... i am pretty convinced you're just mafia that knew I was a 2for1.
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:50 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:49 pm anyway this is post 91/100 for me

gonna "save" posts again (will probably blow them whenever i think of funny stuff to post rather than actual substantive and helpful things to post

my worldview and preferred course of action remains "nuke naa/mac/anne in any order then re-eval after"

glhf
i don't buy your progression on me from the start of the day to here... you went from townreading me, and then when SPF voted for me you started acting as if you were always scumreading me
i got convinced that maybe its naive to clear you for those associations, which was my main reason (see the two posts i made about hating everybody's association reads including my own)

and like

i have been scumreading you for quite some time in this game

and also my progression not being explicit and easily followable is a towntell for me

if youre town you could be right on spf? idk? im certainty a horrible direction though
also your read on nutella is either pocketing her or hard shielding her and there's not really any in between... one sec
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:50 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:20 pm @falcon45ca I have collected a solid number of town reads and posted them. I may not have posted the generic ~list~ but it’s in the plans once I can dedicate some time to review. For the moment here are town reads in no particular order:

leetic/ilario
cassandralexa
nutella
iaafr
Lime Coke
staypositivefriend

I feel pretty good about this group. There are some others I might consider e.g. Marmot. I’ll see.
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Hard to say, I'm not really all that familiar with how JJJ would go about positioning himself & his teammates here.




JJJ is responding to my sus of him & his playstyle this game, afterwards I noticed a bit of pocketing on his behalf re: my take on Mac.



I almost feel like at max there's 1 teammate in the list, with chance of none.
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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i dont think i even express that townread as scum

or if i do i express it with a ton more reservation so that my agendaed turn on you looks more believable
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i mean i am essentially semi-hard shielding her today because i think shes the most likely miss by gamestate due to real tunnels from my townreads

but like

if they stay convinced im not the type to truly stop it because im not confident enough to bet the game on her alignment and if theyre that convinced i probably want them to see the flip anyway

but i dont see how it cant easily be read as v/v or v/w, which it has to be fmpov
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:48 am
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:46 am
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:25 am Lime ngl I don't blame you for thinking my d1 was weak, I'm playing more low key than usual due to rl stuff, and on that note I will be flying home tomorrow and will be quite sparse

Still it should be clear that I'm uninformed and jumping between reads organically
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:24 am if you guys really think that's how i would approach a teammate jay when everyone else called out that he was off, im actually kinda insulted
whats up with this though
idk read nutellas iso and control f jay in the middle pages

to me it reads like somebody thinking everybody finding jay off was within the tolerance for his recent towngame meta and overcorrecting

like she said

as opposed to a scum partner trying to powerwolf jay out of contention
this is a bullshit read
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:50 am my own nutella townread is a giant bait on myself though because i dont get the vibe im capable of convincing people and i get the vibe nutella might be able to play herself out if town etc
this is hedging your bullshit read
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:42 am marmot iaafr and nutella are all obvious town
the way you're handling nutella is like the inverse of the way you're handling me, I strongly get the impression you are just head fucking her
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:47 am
DrWilgy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:47 am Bruh I already shot lol
well i mean with votes too

if you end up flipping nutella villager today pls locktown me and sheep my poe
guilty mind TMI
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:52 am yea it was a fine shot

im here telling you i think any of {anne naa mac} are currently superior votes to nutella in my head but u do u

going to sleep for real now gn glhf
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:50 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:49 pm anyway this is post 91/100 for me

gonna "save" posts again (will probably blow them whenever i think of funny stuff to post rather than actual substantive and helpful things to post

my worldview and preferred course of action remains "nuke naa/mac/anne in any order then re-eval after"

glhf
i don't buy your progression on me from the start of the day to here... you went from townreading me, and then when SPF voted for me you started acting as if you were always scumreading me
i got convinced that maybe its naive to clear you for those associations, which was my main reason (see the two posts i made about hating everybody's association reads including my own)

and like

i have been scumreading you for quite some time in this game

and also my progression not being explicit and easily followable is a towntell for me

if youre town you could be right on spf? idk? im certainty a horrible direction though
i don't think spf is mafia anymore, my alignment is not hinged on SPFs alignment... more wolfy bullshit
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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gl with that

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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:57 pm i dont think i even express that townread as scum

or if i do i express it with a ton more reservation so that my agendaed turn on you looks more believable
You have no choice but to townread her because I am townreading her and you will never get her mischopped while I am... case in point you were accutely aware of my read because you horse collared me for saying "neat" when Wilgy unvoted me. You're hyper vigilant in this game but acting memey and aloof and that's a scumtell for anyone good at mafia.
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that post was about the expression of the townread on you sod2
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spf and anne have seen me be memey and aloof in multiple recent towngames
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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mac's green is probably just fake cause they're lovers
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Your today has been characterised by transparent pocketing and TMI of nutella's slot, TMI of the fact that Falcon and I are lovers, and capitalising on bad reason for scumreading me.

The Mac wagon has been nothing but omgus from jump. SPF started it because I voted her. Shit reason. Then Lime Coke sheeped because he's a simp. There was never enough meat on that bone for you to go from townreading me to locking me in a POE world of three with NAA and Anne. You are better than that.
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:04 pm spf and anne have seen me be memey and aloof in multiple recent towngames
this is the part where you take my subjective analysis and manipulate it to mean something that benefits you, good job hotshot
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im actually not better than that but if you can come up with a more compelling poe that doesn't include me that'd be the first step towards bridging our deeply damaged connection and guiding this town towards virtue and victory
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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:09 pm im actually not better than that but if you can come up with a more compelling poe that doesn't include me that'd be the first step towards bridging our deeply damaged connection and guiding this town towards virtue and victory
I mean, we did lynch Maf last RD, so it's not all doom & gloom
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iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:09 pm im actually not better than that but if you can come up with a more compelling poe that doesn't include me that'd be the first step towards bridging our deeply damaged connection and guiding this town towards virtue and victory
I don't think I need more evidence that you give zero shits about the town victory than putting your vote back on me after it became known that my death results in two town flips but you do you fam
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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boutta postcap tho so gl working with others

I'm town

d2ing me in this game is possibly one of the worst d2s possible

I'm not locked on Mac as I might seem at points (I never am) but yeah idk I have trouble not townreading the ppl not in my poe
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:06 pm mac's green is probably just fake cause they're lovers
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mac do you know iaafr
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I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night. :doh:
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:03 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:01 pm @Marmot why'd you not respond to what I @d you with

actually marmot is my biggest wolf read btw

orly?

I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?
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MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate
... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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given the mafia got alerted when i checked falcon there's guaranteed to be a mafia voting me with the way that I was playing because they know it's 2 for the price of 1
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:16 pm given the mafia got alerted when i checked falcon there's guaranteed to be a mafia voting me with the way that I was playing because they know it's 2 for the price of 1
what lol
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate
... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless
you think that I would gambit day 1 on fake green checking my teammate?
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DrWilgy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:44 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:33 pm
leetic wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:25 pm Still don't think anne's scum, if Wilgy or Axehole flips bad I might consider it but for now there are much better actions

Not really buying the case on Mac right now either
For Anne to be scum I'm pretty sure I have to be as well. I know that is not the case, but can attempt to view from an outside perspective and still don't see that as the case.
explain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)
We went from wagon Anne to wagon Jay when I was at 5 votes.

I see little reason why scum, if 2 scum buddies in Anne and Jay were in danger wouldn't have made me the yeet leader.
if the team is, say, afk-at-eod mac, afk-at-eod anne, and widely suspected and ill-regarded NAA, it's not like scum really had the clout to do anything about anything that happened at EOD
I suppose. I guess the thing is that I made it free.99 for scum to push me and don't feel like they did (even earlier in the phase for clarity), probably because they were just cool with Anne dying.
If you and Anne are T/T wagons during EOD, alongside Radishes who ended up wagoned at one point and has flipped town, you'd have to assume the people actually making an effort to change the yeet and running around like a chicken with their heads cut off are town.

Which then people who sat there and didn't do anything would be wolfy.
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Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:16 pm given the mafia got alerted when i checked falcon there's guaranteed to be a mafia voting me with the way that I was playing because they know it's 2 for the price of 1
what lol
when I triggered the check it also triggered the loverisation and alerted the mafia at the same time that the role had been triggered... that i was forced to out means that they knew that we were lovers before falcon revealed it... therefore they knew that by flipping me they would get 2 for the price of 1
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:17 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate
... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless
you think that I would gambit day 1 on fake green checking my teammate?
no, my point was if your a wolf the check literally isn't relevant anyways

so the statement only means anything if you're town
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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To break down JJJ's wagon a little bit more, here's how it all went down (warning, it's a wallpost)

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Here's what the poll looked like at XX:47.


6 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, NotAnAxehole, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
6 - DrWilgy --- staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, cassandra, leetic, Lime Coke, ilario
1 - JaggedJimmyJay --- iaafr
1 - Master Radishes --- Marmot
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei

Summarizing what happened starting at xx:47 as Jay's wagon begins to take off.

xx:47 - spf calls the Wilgy wagon pure
xx:47 - iaafr contemplates going back to the Wilgy wagon
xx:48 - LC calls Jay probably mafia, but asserts his wagon can't seem to get traction
xx:48 - ilario says he'd wagon NAA
xx:48 - iaafr vote Wilgy
xx:48 - spf says she would wagon NAA
xx:49 - Nanook would flashwagon Jay
xx:49 - spf says she'll probably end on Wilgy
xx:49 - nutella wants to flip anne
xx:49 - Marmot isn't comfortable voting Wilgy, would rather vote anne
xx:49 - iaafr offers reasons to TR and not chop Jay
xx:49 - cass asked nutella why she flipped her read on anne
xx:50 - iaafr wonders if the wolves are bussing Wilgy, and if anne's a hit
xx:50 - Marmot votes anne
xx:50 - cass doesn't want to vote anne when she's not here
xx:50 - leetic calls out Jay and nutella for hedging
xx:51 - spf points out disappearance of NAA wagon as interesting
xx:51 - LC follows up on Jay's wagon's lack of traction
xx:52 - cass asks if people TR Jay, would vote there if wagon existed
xx:52 - leetic calls Wilgy wagon more inspiring
xx:53 - iaafr votes anne
xx:53 - nutella calls anne a hit and Wilgy a bait
xx:53 - iaafr votes Jay
xx:54 - LC votes Jay
xx:54 - cass votes Jay
xx:54 - Marmot complains about how the Wilgy and anne wagons look
xx:54 - ilario votes Jay
xx:54 - leetic links us to a Jay scum game
xx:54 - cass hypes the Jay CFD


So with 5 minutes left in the day, the wagons have changed drastically, looking something like the following.

7 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, NotAnAxehole, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy, Marmot
4 - JaggedJimmyJay --- iaafr, Lime Coke, cassandra, ilario
3 - DrWilgy --- staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, leetic
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei


xx:55 - leetic asks where the Wilgy wagon went, says he's not confident in the other two
xx:55 - LC rallies people to wagon Jay
xx:55 - Nanook votes Jay
xx:56 - iaafr calls anne's votes parkers
xx:56 - nutella reminded cass that she also mentioned reason to SR anne
xx:56 - cass weirded out by nutella's treatment of anne
xx:56 - leetic votes Jay


Wagons are close now

7 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, NotAnAxehole, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy, Marmot
6 - JaggedJimmyJay --- iaafr, Lime Coke, cassandra, ilario, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, leetic
1 - DrWilgy --- staypositivefriend
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei


xx:57 - Marmot votes Jay
xx:57 - spf votes Jay
xx:57 - LC sketched out by people not leaving anne's wagon still
xx:57 - iaafr votes nutella
xx:57 - spf calls nutella's push on anne townie
xx:57 - ilario wants to vote Wilgy again
xx:57 - leetic doesn't like the anne wagon
xx:57 - NAA says he doesn't want to chop Jay, and that Marmot and he aren't parked on anne
xx:57 - spf says she wants Wilgy, but laments being forced to choose between Jay and anne
xx:58 - nutella says this is fine (Jay being voted I think she means)
xx:58 - wants to chop anyone but anne
xx:58 - cass wouldn't cry over chopping Wilgy still
xx:58 - Nanook says he'd move back to Wilgy
xx:58 - Marmot calls Wilgy wagon pure, worries about Jay being a miss and anne being a hit
xx:59 - ilario worried about quickness of Jay wagon
xx:59 - iaafr votes Wilgy
xx:59 - ilario says let's CFD Wilgy, ilario votes Wilgy
xx:59 - spf tried to vote Wilgy, but was too late


7 - JaggedJimmyJay --- Lime Coke, cassandra, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, leetic, Marmot, staypositivefriend, NotAnAxehole
5 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
2 - DrWilgy --- iaafr, ilario
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei

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Here are my observations on how people performed at EOD based on reread.

The following players were not around at EOD

anne
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
MacDougall
Sloonei —> Esooa

The following players were

cassandra - cass was one of the first people to vote for Jay in the CFD, and voiced interest in it before it happened. She looks really townie from this.

iaafr - iaafr was kinda all over the place, but that does read more like an anxious townie than mafia in this scenario. On one hand, he could have unwittingly prompted a Jay wagon while just casually putting a vote there, but I think the reality is that his actions are pure. He could be scum, but I'd put him closer to a TR at this moment.

ilario / leetic - this slot also hopped on the Jay wagon, albeit at different times. Ilario hopped off in the waning seconds of the day, which is a little alarming, but these two seemed similar to iaafr in that their behavior looks believable in their anxiety over what wagon would be the best to choose.

Lime Coke - Pushed the Jay wagon from the getgo, and rallied others to join. Hard townread on this guy.

NotAnAxehole - I don't know when he voted for Jay, so I'm going to assume it was at a point when it didn't matter since he didn't call his vote in the thread. The only post that NAA made in the final 13 minutes of the day were a defense of chopping Jay. Given his increased activity before the Jay wagon took off, I think he looks like probable mafia from it.

nutella - I could go either way. Personally, her comment "This is fine actually lmao" actually reads incredibly townie to me. But her actions otherwise less-so. She didn't really mention Jay's wagon, but she did push anne's wagon at least while Wilgy was an active wagon. But even her push on anne looked kinda townie. Dunno. I'm tonally reading her as town, but her actions are objectively not very townie.

staypositivefriend - spf was put into a position where she couldn't vote for Wilgy when his wagon disappeared, and was forced to pick between Jay and anne, and opted for Jay. She did eventually try to vote Wilgy again, but was too late at EOD. I will call this mildly townie. She didn't really talk about Jay despite voting for him, which makes a bus attempt possible, but she was in a position where she was able to convincingly vote for anne or Jay, and she opted for Jay. spf is on the edge of the POE for me.


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Anyway, cass remains a confident townread for me, LC joins her in that tier, and ilario/leetic are a tad below. NAA has dropped drastically, and I'd be willing to chop him today. Everyone else is varying shades of in between those two

Also, given how easily Jay's wagon took off, I'd be willing to bet that his team was generally not around at EOD, suggesting that the majority of scum are in the first of the above lists.
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:17 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate
... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless
you think that I would gambit day 1 on fake green checking my teammate?
no, my point was if your a wolf the check literally isn't relevant anyways

so the statement only means anything if you're town
so you're saying that you don't believe that I cop checked falcon and that I just made that up because we were lovers?

lol i guess i can see how you arrived at that conclusion, but no
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[VOTE: Notanaxehole] aubergine
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I'm not opposed to the wagon.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:55 am I have quite a lot of time on my hands today, and my goal is to read this whole fucking thing and come with whatever perspectives for whatever that's worth. I'm just going to pity myself some more for having the worst hangover ever.

Given this earlier post, I kinda hope Dizzy has more to add then this.

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Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:55 am I have quite a lot of time on my hands today, and my goal is to read this whole fucking thing and come with whatever perspectives for whatever that's worth. I'm just going to pity myself some more for having the worst hangover ever.
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And this.

Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:11 pm Alexa is obv town is all I know so far. Game reading is in progress, going slow because it's kind of boring tbh. Hopefully will get to juicy stuff later.
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:40 pm i will probably scumread jay on d1 and then decide he's in town meta on d2

the inverse of silverkeith
Also, this is a very early post from Nutella which seems strange to make if you know Jimmay is scum tbh tbh

Dizzy remains firmly entrenched in the POE if he doesn't.
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mac is probably just town actually

not cause of anything he's posted recently but I think if he's a wolf solving in lover chat and stuff, he just puts that activity in thread instead of like flopping about

like if he's already solving and putting energy into the game I can't see the motivation to not use that to get town read more as a wolf
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Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm
Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:03 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:01 pm @Marmot why'd you not respond to what I @d you with

actually marmot is my biggest wolf read btw

orly?

I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?
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Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:31 pm mac is probably just town actually

not cause of anything he's posted recently but I think if he's a wolf solving in lover chat and stuff, he just puts that activity in thread instead of like flopping about

like if he's already solving and putting energy into the game I can't see the motivation to not use that to get town read more as a wolf
i haven't done heaps there tbh
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Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:33 pm
Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm
Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:03 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:01 pm @Marmot why'd you not respond to what I @d you with

actually marmot is my biggest wolf read btw

orly?

I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?
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