Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[MacDougall]

that's the second time somebodys made the "wouldn't shoot down townreads as scum" read on me recently and all I can think is I can't wait to subvert it and do it as scum, but i may never get the chance to

subvert this

*farts*

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine you aren't enjoying my farts enough

[MacDougall]

Leetic frozen (in farts).

[MacDougall]

Ask yourself... caught by Mac d1 because you got frozen by his fart reads. Are we in a universe where this occurs? I in fact do think so.

[NotAnAxehole]

Ask yourself... caught by Mac d1 because you got frozen by his fart reads. Are we in a universe where this occurs? I in fact do think so.

I would sheep, but I need to punish myself for throwing a game in which 0% of town voted correctly on the last 2 days.

[Master Radishes]

Dear wolves,

Let’s make this clear so you don’t waste your time: I will not be one of your miselims this game.

You will soon think I could be, of course. Even with the postcap I will likely not be able to keep up with the tryhards on this roster, and I will inevitably be perceived as low-hanging fruit. ‘MR will be an easy chop’ you’ll think. ‘Probably a flash wagon candidate.’

But you will be mistaken. You simply won’t be able to mis-elim me. Not this time. I will pull out the WIM when I need to. I have tricks up my sleeves. In fact, save me the energy and just treat this post as an inno child claim. I am for all your intents and purposes untouchable. If you decide you want me out of this game, you will need to spend a kill on me.

It is not your fault you randed wolf, and I am nothing if not sympathetic to an unfortunate rand, so I give you this warning now to help you plan around it. Everyone deserves a fair shot.

In the words of Descartes, ‘I post therefore I am town’. Or, in the words of a more modern philosopher, ‘U Kant touch this’.

Good luck, wolves. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

[MacDougall]

Dear wolves,

Let’s make this clear so you don’t waste your time: I will not be one of your miselims this game.

You will soon think I could be, of course. Even with the postcap I will likely not be able to keep up with the tryhards on this roster, and I will inevitably be perceived as low-hanging fruit. ‘MR will be an easy chop’ you’ll think. ‘Probably a flash wagon candidate.’

But you will be mistaken. You simply won’t be able to mis-elim me. Not this time. I will pull out the WIM when I need to. I have tricks up my sleeves. In fact, save me the energy and just treat this post as an inno child claim. I am for all your intents and purposes untouchable. If you decide you want me out of this game, you will need to spend a kill on me.

It is not your fault you randed wolf, and I am nothing if not sympathetic to an unfortunate rand, so I give you this warning now to help you plan around it. Everyone deserves a fair shot.

In the words of Descartes, ‘I post therefore I am town’. Or, in the words of a more modern philosopher, ‘U Kant touch this’.

Good luck, wolves. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

[iaafr]

alright I'm lock towning radishes and ignoring that slot for the rest of the game ig

marmot can take the heat for the bad puns because he did it more

[nutella]

i will probably scumread jay on d1 and then decide he's in town meta on d2

the inverse of silverkeith

this post pinged me because it's the type of post that i would make as a wolf that wants to contribute to the ongoing conversation about jagged's alignment without having any specific observations to make - it's a very filler post, which is totally fine, but it just felt a little awkward for nutella to sit out of the conversation about jay's alignment while still somewhat involving herself in it

Just so we're clear what's happening here i already gave my three and a half reads and now I'm going to shit post until I cap myself and come back 10-15 minutes before eod to naked vote and be sheeped and we may or may not hit mafia but it'll be worth it for the experience and the memories

this is performative

might loop back to being towny but im not sure

im also a little concerned on how nutella went from: "this post from nanook is performative but maybe in a towny way" to putting nanook in her "Bad Vibes" tier on #266, and her push on cassandra on #316 pinged me when i was catching up as well. i do think that nutella is playing closer to her scum game than her town game so far and i guess i want to make that known, but if she is town then im pretty confident ill find her

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

i townlean alexa a bit now, i don't feel super strongly about either nook or jay rn but gth i'd lean toward nook being town and right about jay, if you'll permit me to make an accursed d1 dichotomy read

I'm stepping off the SPF wagon since I'm not entirely comfortable with a wagon that has grown to four votes with little progression. [VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine I notice that you just joined the wagon, and seemingly when SPF was starting to actually contribute, so why? Was there anything that pinged you?

That's...yeah I'm willing to vote that.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Honestly if I don't come up with a good scumread I'm probably lobbying to yeet him no matter what.

You can't kill a 2-shot cop

Number one, roles are not necessarily tied to alignments here, number two, if you are town you just painted a massive target on your back, and number three, you picked a really inorganic time to claim

Like seriously, I'm not sure why you felt the need to do that

Wooosh (it's a joke)

this is real bad

[nutella]

alright I'm lock towning radishes and ignoring that slot for the rest of the game ig

marmot can take the heat for the bad puns because he did it more

it has already been determined

[MacDougall]

alright I'm lock towning radishes and ignoring that slot for the rest of the game ig

marmot can take the heat for the bad puns because he did it more

that's what a wolf would do

[MacDougall]

alright I'm lock towning radishes and ignoring that slot for the rest of the game ig

marmot can take the heat for the bad puns because he did it more

it has already been determined

this is also what a wolf would do

it is in fact what 2 wolves would do

[nutella]

damn iaafr it's over we shouldn't have hard aligned so hard, we'll get 'em next time ig

[NotAnAxehole]

i will probably scumread jay on d1 and then decide he's in town meta on d2

the inverse of silverkeith

this post pinged me because it's the type of post that i would make as a wolf that wants to contribute to the ongoing conversation about jagged's alignment without having any specific observations to make - it's a very filler post, which is totally fine, but it just felt a little awkward for nutella to sit out of the conversation about jay's alignment while still somewhat involving herself in it

Just so we're clear what's happening here i already gave my three and a half reads and now I'm going to shit post until I cap myself and come back 10-15 minutes before eod to naked vote and be sheeped and we may or may not hit mafia but it'll be worth it for the experience and the memories

this is performative

might loop back to being towny but im not sure

im also a little concerned on how nutella went from: "this post from nanook is performative but maybe in a towny way" to putting nanook in her "Bad Vibes" tier on #266, and her push on cassandra on #316 pinged me when i was catching up as well. i do think that nutella is playing closer to her scum game than her town game so far and i guess i want to make that known, but if she is town then im pretty confident ill find her

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

i townlean alexa a bit now, i don't feel super strongly about either nook or jay rn but gth i'd lean toward nook being town and right about jay, if you'll permit me to make an accursed d1 dichotomy read

I'm stepping off the SPF wagon since I'm not entirely comfortable with a wagon that has grown to four votes with little progression. [VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine I notice that you just joined the wagon, and seemingly when SPF was starting to actually contribute, so why? Was there anything that pinged you?

That's...yeah I'm willing to vote that.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Honestly if I don't come up with a good scumread I'm probably lobbying to yeet him no matter what.

You can't kill a 2-shot cop

Number one, roles are not necessarily tied to alignments here, number two, if you are town you just painted a massive target on your back, and number three, you picked a really inorganic time to claim

Like seriously, I'm not sure why you felt the need to do that

Wooosh (it's a joke)

this is real bad

Which part, because there are several layers to it.

[iaafr]

ur being oof rn and that is the extent of how much I care to react

[ilario]

@MacDougall I’m curious to hear your non-fart related read on nutella when you have it. She feels off this game but idk if that makes her scum. If I didn’t know she was nutella and she was posting some of these posts I’d call the slot kinda towny, like she’s gotten towny but not in the way the Nutella normally tends to towntell if that makes sense. (Then again my sample size with her is quite small)

[nutella]

the same thing has happened in my last several games where i'm not as immediately obvtown for the first half of d1, not really intentionally it's just that people expect me to be blindingly town but i'm really not lol (and ngl my demeanor has shifted a bit in the last few months so i'm not as spammy in general)

[nutella]

(i am blindingly obvtown though so just jot that down)

[ilario]

alright I'm lock towning radishes and ignoring that slot for the rest of the game ig

marmot can take the heat for the bad puns because he did it more

Yeah it was towny and I was expecting something like this from him after his and cassandras most recent game. Let’s see if his play actually follows through though.

[iaafr]

the thing about spf is

her entrance is better this game than in 16/8

but she gave herself time to make it better (prewritten more evenhanded content on more slots, as opposed to a kind of crappy scumread on amrock only) and arguably that was the weakest part of that game

so I'm hesitant to townread her on it and now she's gonna be the eternal victim of my fear paranoia in this game

[iaafr]

nutella is blindingly obvtown

[nutella]

i am eternally paranoid of spf in every game and if i have time i might take a look at how she framed reads in cov in a confbiased way to see if the thing i'm starting to see here comes up

[iaafr]

I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao

[staypositivefriend]

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

to be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclear

it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)

also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafia

[nutella]

I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao

i was actually typing up a post saying that mac was demonstrating the "wolves don't know what to do when iaafr and nutella are tagteam obvtowning in thread" theorem but i felt bad about the hubris and deleted it but now i'm posting it anyway

he clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo

[Marmot]

I am here to present town!marmot

[NotAnAxehole]

I am here to present town!marmot

Long time no see

[ilario]

I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

[Marmot]

I am here to present town!marmot

Long time no see

That's the second time you encouraged a quickhammer in LYLO when I was not around and mod-confirmed town. Stop that.

[Marmot]

I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

Are you and Leetic mason/neighborrs? Or mafia partners? Or somethin else?

[NotAnAxehole]

I am here to present town!marmot

Long time no see

That's the second time you encouraged a quickhammer in LYLO when I was not around and mod-confirmed town. Stop that.

LOL, it's true, you have a bad habbit of not being around at important times...

[ilario]

I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

Are you and Leetic mason/neighborrs? Or mafia partners? Or somethin else?

I’ll leave that for you to decide or if leetic wants to explain he can. all Im gonna say is we share a post cap

[staypositivefriend]

the thing about spf is

her entrance is better this game than in 16/8

but she gave herself time to make it better (prewritten more evenhanded content on more slots, as opposed to a kind of crappy scumread on amrock only) and arguably that was the weakest part of that game

so I'm hesitant to townread her on it and now she's gonna be the eternal victim of my fear paranoia in this game

fwiw i was completely frozen for the first ~hour of that 16/8er and had no absolutely no idea how to enter the game, which is why i entered it in the most extra way possible by scumreading amrock

i wont say that my entrance as a wolf in this game would be equally as bad, but producing evenhanded content is usually a much lower priority for me as a wolf than making surface-level towny sounding posts

[iaafr]

I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

Are you and Leetic mason/neighborrs? Or mafia partners? Or somethin else?

they're in the same slot for some reason

a forced hydra, if you will

also

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

[ilario]

I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

Are you and Leetic mason/neighborrs? Or mafia partners? Or somethin else?

I’ll leave that for you to decide or if leetic wants to explain they can. all Im gonna say is we share a post cap

Sorry wrong pronoun. Ebwop.

[nutella]

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

to be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclear

it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)

also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafia

i don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jay

[nutella]

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

was it that he could be bussing jay lmao

[Marmot]

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

to be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclear

it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)

also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafia

i don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jay

Is Nanook trying to look good for some cute philosopher?


(I'm catching up now, but I had to ask)

[Marmot]

Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.

[staypositivefriend]

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

to be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclear

it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)

also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafia

i don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jay

okay thanks, i like this post

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.

What’s off

[JaggedJimmyJay]

SPF’s reads carry a degree of nuance that I tend to associate with her town game without striking me as contrived or rehearsed. Good start in the post-uwu era*

*band name dibs CLAIMED

[Marmot]

Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.

What’s off

You're talking about people and not to people. I'm accustomed to you engaging people with their takes and posts, rather than dropping a line or two and moving on.

Your tone doesn't look to me like you feel comfortable in this game.


I realize the first of these things is not what's happening here, but that's what I've noticed in your first dozen posts or so (I'm still on page 4).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.

What’s off

You're talking about people and not to people. I'm accustomed to you engaging people with their takes and posts, rather than dropping a line or two and moving on.

Your tone doesn't look to me like you feel comfortable in this game.


I realize the first of these things is not what's happening here, but that's what I've noticed in your first dozen posts or so (I'm still on page 4).

Okay.

There’s a facilitatory character to what I suspect folks perceive as Generic Jay Play that is less critical in a game filled with great players who will talk plenty without me. That definitely includes pointed dialogue AT people. This thread has started the right way I think and I don’t feel an immediate need to do all that stuff right now. The game is doing well to facilitate itself without all my incessant nudging. Nice job gang!

I’ll let you catch up

[Marmot]

anne can you put on an avatar

Hello cassandra. I think you're the only person here I haven't played with or at least had ~Mafia conversations~ with (iaafr). So like, what are you about

JJJ is weird. This intro is also weird. Consider it a slight scumread. These sorts of posts continue on page 3.


leetic/ilario probably town. They're ready to move out of RVS pretty quickly.

This is the first time I’ve caught up to a thread and everyone feels so scummy, weird

I take it back, this post doesn't jive with my view of the game so far.

i read some posts and now i feel super

help me

have you tried dodging the thread for extended periods of time?

iaafr has been rather amusing into page 4, thought not really TRable.

ive seen nook post 300 times in a day 1 where at least 90% of the posts were either one line or a meme

Lmaooo

Was he town?

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

Lmaooo I’m not trying to be intentionally scummy this game, what part of me pinged you?

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

Lmaooo I’m not trying to be intentionally scummy this game, what part of me pinged you?

IDK i guess i thought we'd mindmeld more on nook, so your "meta and vibes" answer kinda pinged me

ugh i forgot this is 100 PC im gonna be careful

Lmaooo he’s like my strongest tr, Maybe my meta is wrong

If this pinged you I assume you find him scummy? How so?

Lmaooo, ilario started three posts in a row with lmaooo. The dude's ass must be on the floor by now.

This kind of levity actually pings me, but I can't really find a good explanation for it.

[MacDougall]

I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao

i was actually typing up a post saying that mac was demonstrating the "wolves don't know what to do when iaafr and nutella are tagteam obvtowning in thread" theorem but i felt bad about the hubris and deleted it but now i'm posting it anyway

he clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo

I didn't read any posts at all but if you and iaafr wanna run the game be my guest

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This post looks town to me for reasons I don’t want to get into. The EM gang or others should say if they feel this is not a post to be town read.

leetic/ilario are probably my top town read.

[ilario]

Lol, marmot is town

Now I’m running into the opposite problem I had early game.