Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

okay. I'll be honest, I don't know what SPF would have done. I don't know them nearly well enough to make that assumption/argue about it
but why are you sheeping those reads? what about them makes you think they are good reads?

Dont you think that the fact that mafia killed them makes it worth to at least look at their reads?

Like, what is this question

[Tilgarial]

Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

what game mechanics? that I can't be voted?

I deduced that it was almost certainly a mafia effect yes.

alright. from my PoV, that doesn't hold up, because it's not my action. although, I'd actually agree that somebody being unvotable is a very sus thing, so I understand this PoV somewhat.
but I still very much think I can clear up the sus on me, so for what reason would I want that? was I actually at a point where I was suspicious enough to be basically the guaranteed D2 exe, or at least likely enough to put a target like that on my back?
actually, when I talk about it like that, it does really sound like a mafia power
just, used on town to make them look worse
not sure how much of that comes from me knowing I'm town though, so meh

The flip made you look really bad so yes I think you would have been run up if you had not been removed from the poll.

alright, let's talk about that
how do you think the flip makes me look bad from your PoV?

[Tilgarial]

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

okay. I'll be honest, I don't know what SPF would have done. I don't know them nearly well enough to make that assumption/argue about it
but why are you sheeping those reads? what about them makes you think they are good reads?

Dont you think that the fact that mafia killed them makes it worth to at least look at their reads?

Like, what is this question

well
my stance to sheeping is very much "sheep the read, not the player"
so I'm asking you what about these reads seem sheepable to you. is the reasoning good? did you just like that they exist?

[santygrass]

More than 'I wasnt an obv yeet' I think it looks bad because is super -ev using a role like that on town for mafia.
Because if you are town, they are literally removing a misyeet candidate and make it more likely for another mafia to get yeeted

[Alison]

The flip makes you look bad because Aro had you in his POE, you are the last surviving member of Aro/SPF/Tilg which has been logically theorized to contain a mafia and the other two have flipped town, and in a world where Aro and Wisp are both town you are one of the top suspects for eating popcorm as T/T wagons get run up.

[santygrass]

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

okay. I'll be honest, I don't know what SPF would have done. I don't know them nearly well enough to make that assumption/argue about it
but why are you sheeping those reads? what about them makes you think they are good reads?

Dont you think that the fact that mafia killed them makes it worth to at least look at their reads?

Like, what is this question

well
my stance to sheeping is very much "sheep the read, not the player"
so I'm asking you what about these reads seem sheepable to you. is the reasoning good? did you just like that they exist?

Based on the fact that I was scumleaning you because of your Lily vote.
And that spf reasoning had that involved.

You think I wouldn't sheep that? What is the point of this questioning?

[Alison]

You two can stop the theatre it isn't convincing anyone.

[Tilgarial]

More than 'I wasnt an obv yeet' I think it looks bad because is super -ev using a role like that on town for mafia.
Because if you are town, they are literally removing a misyeet candidate and make it more likely for another mafia to get yeeted

...for today, yes. what about tomorrow? if this makes me an "outed wolf", then I'm the obvious yeet tomorrow, no?
is that really -ev for mafia, then?

[santygrass]

You are projecting Alison .

Speaking of which.

@Tilgarial @Alison what are your reads on dya and seanzie?

[santygrass]

More than 'I wasnt an obv yeet' I think it looks bad because is super -ev using a role like that on town for mafia.
Because if you are town, they are literally removing a misyeet candidate and make it more likely for another mafia to get yeeted

...for today, yes. what about tomorrow? if this makes me an "outed wolf", then I'm the obvious yeet tomorrow, no?
is that really -ev for mafia, then?

Yes. Because you could be self solvable or towny it up this day. Mafia dont have control over that

[santygrass]

@Alison why are you not pushing Porscha?
What made you say I was trying to replicate Spiritfarer? Like, in Spiritfarer I spent a good portion of the day shielding obvwolf Cobalt? So it feels like you just bringed uo a random town game from mine to shade without having a nuanced read there

[Tilgarial]

The flip makes you look bad because Aro had you in his POE, you are the last surviving member of Aro/SPF/Tilg which has been logically theorized to contain a mafia and the other two have flipped town, and in a world where Aro and Wisp are both town you are one of the top suspects for eating popcorm as T/T wagons get run up.

oh, this is an interesting one
specifically because of the Aro/SPF/Tilg thing, why does it make sense for me to push an Aro exe and then NK SPF here?
it might make sense in a wolrd where both porscha and millium are wolf, but why would I intentionally put myself in a spot like this?

and in what way would you say I was eating popcorn from your PoV?

[santygrass]

Why arent you mad that despite you claiming to have a self resolvable role people want to yeet so much?

[Alison]

You are projecting Alison .

Speaking of which.

@Tilgarial @Alison what are your reads on dya and seanzie?

I don't have a strong read on dya. I said that I thought they were lean V but it's a weak read.

I think Seanzie is town.

[Alison]

@Alison why are you not pushing Porscha?
What made you say I was trying to replicate Spiritfarer? Like, in Spiritfarer I spent a good portion of the day shielding obvwolf Cobalt? So it feels like you just bringed uo a random town game from mine to shade without having a nuanced read there

I think you are attempting to be as loudly wrong as possible so people dismiss you as "skill issue Santy" from Spiritfarer instead of suspecting you for openwolfing.

[Tilgarial]

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

okay. I'll be honest, I don't know what SPF would have done. I don't know them nearly well enough to make that assumption/argue about it
but why are you sheeping those reads? what about them makes you think they are good reads?

Dont you think that the fact that mafia killed them makes it worth to at least look at their reads?

Like, what is this question

well
my stance to sheeping is very much "sheep the read, not the player"
so I'm asking you what about these reads seem sheepable to you. is the reasoning good? did you just like that they exist?

Based on the fact that I was scumleaning you because of your Lily vote.
And that spf reasoning had that involved.

You think I wouldn't sheep that? What is the point of this questioning?

I'm mostly just removing the "aro/SPF were sussing you and I'll sheep them" shield from your arguments, tbh

so you're suspecting me based on the lily vote? what about the lily vote is bad?

[Alison]

The flip makes you look bad because Aro had you in his POE, you are the last surviving member of Aro/SPF/Tilg which has been logically theorized to contain a mafia and the other two have flipped town, and in a world where Aro and Wisp are both town you are one of the top suspects for eating popcorm as T/T wagons get run up.

oh, this is an interesting one
specifically because of the Aro/SPF/Tilg thing, why does it make sense for me to push an Aro exe and then NK SPF here?
it might make sense in a wolrd where both porscha and millium are wolf, but why would I intentionally put myself in a spot like this?

and in what way would you say I was eating popcorn from your PoV?

1) Because you have to. There's no other viable nightkill.

2) You did nothing to influence the votes.

[Tilgarial]

You two can stop the theatre it isn't convincing anyone.

I was just thinking this would be super amusing theatre if we were all W/W/W, but sadly it wasn*t meant to be

[santygrass]

My team rn is You/Tilg/Porscha as its core.

In your mind that should be 2/3 team too right? And at SoD I was shielding you too and thinking you were town.
Is that being loudly wrong?

[santygrass]

Think its discussion for D1 , but it was an empty sheep on an already hallow argument from spf.
You said the thing about forcing yourself to vote, and I confirmed that indeed it looked forced fmpov and I cant read that as towny

[Tilgarial]

You are projecting Alison .

Speaking of which.

@Tilgarial @Alison what are your reads on dya and seanzie?

sean town, dya I'd currently chuck into PoE when I get around to solidifying one, though I haven't looked too closely at them yet >.>

[Alison]

Why arent you mad that despite you claiming to have a self resolvable role people want to yeet so much?

Because I understand my specific meta on TS, I understand the history people have with me, and I understand the philosophy of playing in closed setups.

In a vacuum, wanting to exe a self resolving slot is silly and anti town. This is why I attacked Cham for it yesterday. But there are specific moments of shared history that make it less silly for some slots, which I have explained earlier. The idea of wanting to reduce swing isn't a bad one, either, and there is some merit to wanting to simply flip me now and sheep my reads which guarantees at least two or three pelts with no variance or wild card possible.

Needless to say I think my exe is bad. But it's bad in the "you had a wrong read, oh well" sense, not in the "you have done something mechanically suboptimal and are officially an inter" sense.

[Tilgarial]

More than 'I wasnt an obv yeet' I think it looks bad because is super -ev using a role like that on town for mafia.
Because if you are town, they are literally removing a misyeet candidate and make it more likely for another mafia to get yeeted

...for today, yes. what about tomorrow? if this makes me an "outed wolf", then I'm the obvious yeet tomorrow, no?
is that really -ev for mafia, then?

Yes. Because you could be self solvable or towny it up this day. Mafia dont have control over that

amusing, that's the plan
but the fact that I am currently very much not in that position still exists & I actually wouldn't be surprised if mafia push me at some point to keep me here

[Alison]

My team rn is You/Tilg/Porscha as its core.

In your mind that should be 2/3 team too right? And at SoD I was shielding you too and thinking you were town.
Is that being loudly wrong?

Only the person you are pushing and voting matters (and I suspect you will find reasons to switch off Tilg and Porscha). Your SoD shield means nothing because you are scumreading me now. If you kill me and change your solve tomorrow people will remember this push on me and dismiss you as loudly wrong. That is the fact of the matter and I suspect you know it as well.

It is extra silly to vote me if you think I am partnered with Tilg/Porsch since in that world I am hard bussing them both so you should always vote them first. But you do not want to admit this because you want a green flip not a red one.

[Seanzie]

You are projecting Alison .

Speaking of which.

@Tilgarial @Alison what are your reads on dya and seanzie?

I don't have a strong read on dya. I said that I thought they were lean V but it's a weak read.

I think Seanzie is town.

Why do you think I'm town? I have no teeth this game.

[Tilgarial]

1) Because you have to. There's no other viable nightkill.

2) You did nothing to influence the votes.

There's a lot of players here, and I'm not good at NKA/planning NK's, but I'd actually say it's relatively easy to come up with alternatives
you, for one, since you claim selfresolvable. mac, since they seem to be keeping the thread together somewhat and are townread enough. lily maybe, depending on how the thread actually reads that slot rn. pretty sure your current solve includes none of those? I dunno actually, but I hope your solve doesn't include yourself
and this is just what I can think of off of the top of my head, so meh

I'd say I voted aro at a pivotal point tbh. like yeah it was the wrong one, but I still very much claim responsibility for causing that cascade of votes there. had I voted porscha or millium there, both options that very much stood open to me - actually, if I were wolf!tilg, maybe even more than the aro vote - I could have put some more thread pressure on those wagons, and at the very least things would have developed very differently. Wolf!tilg would have also been in a position to defend aro there, actually, so I'd very much say that a wolf!tilg here directly chose to off both SPF and aro, which from my PoV doesn't make sense in part due to the very thing you bring up

(sorry for making wallposts)

[santygrass]

You are hard bussing Tilg who can not be yeeted and your Push on Porscha is close to non existent

[Tilgarial]

Think its discussion for D1 , but it was an empty sheep on an already hallow argument from spf.
You said the thing about forcing yourself to vote, and I confirmed that indeed it looked forced fmpov and I cant read that as towny

what about it was wolfy, though?
not towny =/= wolfy

[santygrass]

The fact that I strongly think Lilypetal is town makes it wolfy

[Tilgarial]

You are hard bussing Tilg who can not be yeeted and your Push on Porscha is close to non existent

cannot be yeeted today. I very much doubt it is a permanent change, and narrowing that down to a single instance is shortsighted tbh
but maybe that's me speaking from the inside, so meh

[santygrass]

Also Tilg you aid something about acting on someone and maybe them giving that condition to you. Did you act on some of your sus or nah?

[Tilgarial]

The fact that I strongly think Lilypetal is town makes it wolfy

how?
like
explain it. at the time where lily had 5 posts, were you already thinking lily was town?
are you saying town never votes town?
neither of these seem reasonable to me, so I want to know what exactly it is you are suspecting me for.
also, as a sidenote, do you have other reasons, or is that the only one?

[santygrass]

My team rn is You/Tilg/Porscha as its core.

In your mind that should be 2/3 team too right? And at SoD I was shielding you too and thinking you were town.
Is that being loudly wrong?

Only the person you are pushing and voting matters (and I suspect you will find reasons to switch off Tilg and Porscha). Your SoD shield means nothing because you are scumreading me now. If you kill me and change your solve tomorrow people will remember this push on me and dismiss you as loudly wrong. That is the fact of the matter and I suspect you know it as well.

It is extra silly to vote me if you think I am partnered with Tilg/Porsch since in that world I am hard bussing them both so you should always vote them first. But you do not want to admit this because you want a green flip not a red one.

Also, I dont think you believe this

[Lilypetal]

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

[Lilypetal]

If I'm right on Alison wolf tbh this actually kinda clears Santy?

That progression was nice.

Tbh I might clear him anyway, despite having narrowed eyes at some of the recent stuff before that.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mindmeldy

[santygrass]

The fact that I strongly think Lilypetal is town makes it wolfy

how?
like
explain it. at the time where lily had 5 posts, were you already thinking lily was town?
are you saying town never votes town?
neither of these seem reasonable to me, so I want to know what exactly it is you are suspecting me for.
also, as a sidenote, do you have other reasons, or is that the only one?

I think that a shallow vote= wolfy .
You had no good reasons to sheep there and still think that.

I weigh in my townread on Lily that its from later to solidify the read , so that vote is more wolfy knowing that.

That is the reason that made you appear on my radar as wolfy.

The EoD attitude I think its highly likely paired with one in Millum or Porscha because I felt like you were really insecure about who to vote, in a sense that felt more preoccupied in how it will look later rather than scumhunting

The role targeting you to make you unyeetable today is like the icing on the cake to me

[Tilgarial]

Also Tilg you aid something about acting on someone and maybe them giving that condition to you. Did you act on some of your sus or nah?

one of my targets was someone, where I wouldn't be too surprised if they're a wolf, but that's not really what I'm talking about
I meant more like a passive ability targeting people targeting you
which isn't /shouldn't be alignment limited?
but yes, I dunno how realistic it is, I'm not nearly good enough with mech to speculate about roles in a hidden power heavy setup

[Lilypetal]

@Lilypetal if ur roles related to a claim is there any world where u can use it on alison while we resolve porcha via votes? or can it only be porcha?

Only porscha. I imagine an alison wagon would give us more info on alignments anyway tbh

[santygrass]

Also Tilg you aid something about acting on someone and maybe them giving that condition to you. Did you act on some of your sus or nah?

one of my targets was someone, where I wouldn't be too surprised if they're a wolf, but that's not really what I'm talking about
I meant more like a passive ability targeting people targeting you
which isn't /shouldn't be alignment limited?
but yes, I dunno how realistic it is, I'm not nearly good enough with mech to speculate about roles in a hidden power heavy setup

If they were town , seeing people lockwolf you for something that their role did and not say anything would be... Kinda crazy ngl. So I think it would be alignment indicative .
In the sense that I dont think it comes from town at least

[dyachei]

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

[Chamomile]

While catching up I have noticed people don't like my absence at eod1 and my lack of presense ever since.

Day 1 ended at 2 am my time. Of course I am going to miss eod1, if I have a day MORNING job. And d2 started at 11 pm so right before midnight my time. I just woke up now. People expecting more posts from me while I am sleeping at night time... good luck with that.

No one cares about you not being in the thread at the same times as others, stop strawmaning and using this as an excuse! By the sidelines I mean what you do when you ARE in the thread. Like saying you want to talk to Ender and Neon about their reads and then not doing so. Why not just talk about their reads instead of just saying you want to to do so???

@ilario can you talk to me through your reads on both Porscha and Neon? I think those are the ones I disagree with the most

neons doing that thing they do where they contribute 0 solving but when a villa starts to get sussed they pounce hard on them. they did it to aro, i think they did it to you, they tried to do it to me yesterday and changed their read to a tr when i pressured them back which i thought was towny but then i realised that neon has never played with me so its very rare for players who dont know me well to be able to read me rationally, esp if they are playing for their first time with me. their read on me should have been more similar to betsys incredibly wrong read on me, which while terribly bad is more akin to how people read me when theyre not used to me.

I was literally the first person on Aro. I've pointed out things numerous times I found odd. I was wrong I've been wrong before will be wrong again doesn't make me a woofer though.

Nah if you're Abbi, there's no way you make that push on Aro as town. You're like me when it comes to reading people: a mafia god!

Jesus Christ no I'm not why do I have this reputation...

I've seen how you solve. In marvel multiverse we had similar wavelengths

Ilario thoughts so in line with mine rn!

Which thoughts lol? I really don’t know what your thoughts are

My thoughts on Wisp are identical. You seem to also be on the same page regarding Neon and Ender if I understand correctly?

!!!

I could be wrong on ender, I think his attempts to work with me looked earnest. He’s in some grey area atm where I need to re-evaluate some things before I decide where he fits in. But yeah it seems as though we are aligning with reads

I think Ender is trying to pocket you. His approach toward you kind of has the same vibe of how I approached you last game. Also his reads are too strong I think. Strength isn't exactly the right words but something akin to "curt." Like there's no hedge to them. Ender was super obv town to me in SF3 even when other were initially scumreading him. He has chill focus as town, but here is more reactionary and cares more about his image!

Insert Mac's "Your meta on me from one or two games is bullshit" post here.

I know you like the bottom of my foot!

@EnderWiggin can you give me your reads on

Neon
Dya
Cham
Tilg
Santy
Seanzie

Neon - Town. The reaction to me faux pocketing her was about what I'd expect from a towny who had bad encounters with me in the past. I've used this read fairly effectively after wolfing and pocketing people and so far have yet to have it go wrong.

Dya - Town? Idk. I vacillate a bit on Dya but I have felt some of their reads/takes remind me of Dya from Constellations and other games I've seen them town in. No where near a hard read and I am not sure I'm confident at all on it.

Cham - Wolf. I wanna say. I really wanna say. EOD1 and the more recent movements have shown a weird approach to the game that I can't help but think wolfy. Albeit maybe being triggered by bad meta on my own slot, but still bad wolfy needs to die.

Tilg - I wanted to say wolfy but the general consensus of this being wolfy is just... mrrrr. Idk. I want them back in thread to interact with but in a vacuum I'd be okay with them dying.

Santy - I had a light townread on them earlier but have been considering it. I have been nodding to some of the "Pockety" analysis but I'd want time to do a reread before I commit to that.

Seanzie - GTH town, but don't have a strong basis for this. Stronger than Dya because the initial lackadaisical approach and how he handled people coming at him about it was town!Sean but not enough that I'd lock it.

Scummy! Especially your wolf read of me.

Seanzie
Dya
Cham
Tilg
Porscha

This was Aro's POE and frankly I've arrived at a point where I think it's got a lot of mafia in it.

My variation of it would probably be like

Alison
Seanzie/Dya
Cham
Tilg/Lily
Porscha

It would much be appreciated if you'd stop scumsiding!

Day 1 votecount

Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario

@Chamomile can you explain how your vote ended up on Millium when you were adamantly convinced that Wisp was a villager to a degree where like 50% of your entire ISO is just you screaming about Wisp being a villager?

Aro's ability

[Lilypetal]

I feel invisible this game lol

i feel like you've been talked to and about a lot tbh

[dyachei]

im not ignoring you neon i just dunno how to read you

[Lilypetal]

Neon is town. I can say this with a lot of certainty after catching up. I will remember this neon for all future games

Please don't. I don't want to have to try this hard in all my games.

uh this isn't off of effort or anything

Oh god.

idk what u took from this but I specifically have noticed the towntell that iaafr mentioned in the sabi invitational dvc that wasn't present from that game that you have now demonstrated here

[Tilgarial]

The fact that I strongly think Lilypetal is town makes it wolfy

how?
like
explain it. at the time where lily had 5 posts, were you already thinking lily was town?
are you saying town never votes town?
neither of these seem reasonable to me, so I want to know what exactly it is you are suspecting me for.
also, as a sidenote, do you have other reasons, or is that the only one?

I think that a shallow vote= wolfy .
You had no good reasons to sheep there and still think that.

I weigh in my townread on Lily that its from later to solidify the read , so that vote is more wolfy knowing that.

That is the reason that made you appear on my radar as wolfy.

The EoD attitude I think its highly likely paired with one in Millum or Porscha because I felt like you were really insecure about who to vote, in a sense that felt more preoccupied in how it will look later rather than scumhunting

The role targeting you to make you unyeetable today is like the icing on the cake to me

except I didn't sheep.
I looked at the ISO (which was a midl struggle to find, but never mind that), and was like "yeah, I can vote that".
by the point where I voted, SPF hadn't shared the reasons for the vote.
literally a big part of the reason why I townread SPF was because the things she said was in line with what I found when looking, after the fact
do you genuinely expect Wolf!Tilg to sheep a blank vote?

can you narrow the EOD point down?
because like
I was questioning people. I definitely remember interacting with aro a fair bit, too, so I don't know what to point at when you say something like that
I'm also not entirely sure how "looking good later" lines up with voting aro here, who I had been townreading most of the day, over two people I barely had a read on, and could probably have made easy excuses to vote, unless you think I'm specifically W/W with both millium and porscha

[Seanzie]

see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.

[Tilgarial]

Also Tilg you aid something about acting on someone and maybe them giving that condition to you. Did you act on some of your sus or nah?

one of my targets was someone, where I wouldn't be too surprised if they're a wolf, but that's not really what I'm talking about
I meant more like a passive ability targeting people targeting you
which isn't /shouldn't be alignment limited?
but yes, I dunno how realistic it is, I'm not nearly good enough with mech to speculate about roles in a hidden power heavy setup

If they were town , seeing people lockwolf you for something that their role did and not say anything would be... Kinda crazy ngl. So I think it would be alignment indicative .
In the sense that I dont think it comes from town at least

that's... fair, actually
so I guess I can dismiss that possibility, but that just means I have no clue where it's from

[dyachei]

I don't think we should use the not being able to vote tilg thing to say tilg is mafia. I think if you have an independent read there, fine, but not being able to vote there is not necessarily because tilg's a wolf

[Chamomile]

Neon is town. I can say this with a lot of certainty after catching up. I will remember this neon for all future games

Please don't. I don't want to have to try this hard in all my games.

uh this isn't off of effort or anything

Oh god.

idk what u took from this but I specifically have noticed the towntell that iaafr mentioned in the sabi invitational dvc that wasn't present from that game that you have now demonstrated here

What is it!?

One Piece Red

[Lilypetal]

Think its discussion for D1 , but it was an empty sheep on an already hallow argument from spf.
You said the thing about forcing yourself to vote, and I confirmed that indeed it looked forced fmpov and I cant read that as towny

what about it was wolfy, though?
not towny =/= wolfy

agreed idc abt ur vote