Cartomancy [Game Over]

[tutuu]

u can say that im pushing ur living townreads, its just incorrect to say that ive pushed (in past tense) town (verifiable town) coz ... we dont know that yet!

[Porscha]

Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.

sorry if you explain this later feel free to ignore if you did
if you didnt
can you explain how you got to those exact 3?

[Porscha]

Just skimming Seanzie's iso.

Day 1 and day 2 he campaigned for Baudib to die. Baudib was the towniest player in the game.

He shielded Alison then voted her at the end.

He has tunneled me relentlessly.

Hes shielded actual scummy players.

Just kill him.

(tbf I think you were the only one who thought baudib was the towniest player in the game day 1)

[Sabiplz]

I don't know why tutuu turned on Dennis or why Dennis turned on tutuu.

I don't like jack disappearing.

Idk I'm kinda doubting my Wilgz read atp. I don't feel like he would converse and question me like that if he wolf? Maybe? Kinda idk.

I would like to sort Seanzie/mac because I think one is either wolf or at least wolfsiding.

I haven't read berefit iso and just read d3-4 posts. Who are they?

[tutuu]

I haven't read berefit iso and just read d3-4 posts. Who are they?

Little mafia weasel hiding behind an alt coz they knew they had no chance against me otherwise

[tutuu]

@lucy Queen please dont let them kill me please, my Queen, I respect you more than anyone, please I beg you veto my chop order the mob to point their pitchforks elsewhere please Queen I'll do anything you say

[tutuu]

@lucy Queen please dont let them kill me please, my Queen, I respect you more than anyone, please I beg you veto my chop order the mob to point their pitchforks elsewhere please Queen I'll do anything you say

@lucy @lucy @lucy

can we honestly e date? you're so beautiful. You always make me laugh, you always make me smile you literally make me want to become a better person... I really enjoy every moment we spend together. My time has no value unless it's spent with you. I tell everyone of my irls how awesome you are. Thank you for being you. Whenever you need someone to be there for you, know that I'll always be right there by your side. I love you so much. I don't think you ever realize how amazing you are sometimes. Life isn't fun as when you're not around. I love the way you smile, your eyes are absolutely gorgeous. If I had a star for everytime you crossed my mind I could make the entire galaxy. Your personality is as pretty as you are and that's saying something. I love you, please date me. I am not even calling it e dating anymore because I know we will meet soon enough heart OK I ADMIT IT I LOVE YOU OK i hecking love you and it breaks my heart when

[Porscha]

how many mafia in jack/sig/falcon/tutuu?

I can't see it being more than two if i'm big wrong on that grouping and I am in pain if it's 3 but I don't think I'm willing to put that tinfoil hat on yet
I'm wavering on my jack read due to mac's confidence in *his* read on jack, maybe I'm giving jack too much credit by thinking his play wasn't ideal for a wolf jack (not like it was ideal for town jack either I guess,) but I really don't think there was any good optics to how he played around alison and how alison flipped if jack is wolfing?
and falcon is like, falcon is who I'm most confident on in that group so I don't want to consider that world
with tutuu I feel like... they have a good amount of thread pull / louder voice, if mac is right, I'd be forced to see how tutuu has been playing as more of a powerwolf than how I was seeing it with falcon. like I figured, eh, even if I'm not finding a lot of agreement in our reads, town is wrong all the time, that's possible. but tutuu's general attitude about the game (upbeat, forward, aggressive) doesnt help me see the side of the coin that is: powerwolf, and not: town but one of us is very wrong about our reads
sig I am still the most uncertain on... and if there *has* to be 1 wolf there at this exact moment then by poe i'm picking him (this is not confident however)

[tutuu]

ok porscha i love u now sorry for scumreading u i townread u now lets be best friends forever we already were best friends when we both thought lilypetal's avatar was either genos from one punch man or male kaisa do u remember i remember i never forget just like the mafia (in real life)

[tutuu]

i can make a really cool car impression do you guys wanna hear BROOOOM BROOOM BROOOOOM FIUUUUUUUUUUU FIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU FIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[MacDougall]

This game makes me sad man lol.

[MacDougall]

I have decided to townread Jack for bad reasons.

I still think Tutuu is the key wolf.

I think Wilgy shielding Sabi from Falcon is mafia shielding town with TMI from another town.

I really just have nfi anymore. I want out.

[tutuu]

This game makes me sad man lol.

[MacDougall]

Congratulations wolves you have defeated me.

[Porscha]

@Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF

If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.

What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.

I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.

how do you see the game going then?

[MacDougall]

Voting with SPF til end of day.

[tutuu]

[Porscha]

@Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF

If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.

What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.

I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.

I disagree.

I think this game is indicative of in fighting between town more so than deep wolf coaching town to do ill. Maybe one is doing so, but not more so.

Thus Jack/Sig I think need to be dealt with at this juncture.

you think jack/sig are causing the most fighting between town??? surely that's not what you're saying lol

[Porscha]

Keep on powerwolfing man, it's a reasonable thing to do. You're going to have to deal with me all day though.

Okay I'm done with you. I pleaded with you to work with me yesterday and you ignored me. I'm burying you today.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

From my POV, you have not tried to work with me at all. I explained my case on you yesterday and you just called it illogical and then got upset and started AtEing. Since you've used similar AtE on me when you were a wolf in the past, you burned the one "I'mma drop it in case this is real town frustration and not manipulative AtE" card you get. I don't think I've been rude to you, and I get how this game can get heated at times, and I believe your frustration is probably genuine, but I also know you expressing frustration in the thread is NAI, so you can't expect me to just change my reads because of it.

Bury away.

You have given me zero opportunity to explain my mindset to you in a way that could persuade you to change your read. I have been very townie. You have been a town killing machine and accusing me of the opposite. You should actually reevaluate me properly if you are town. I made a day 1 solve you quoted and questioned me on that so far has had 3 town flip from my towncore and 0 mafia. Largely players you've pushed. Either you're a cause or complicit in the destruction of the town wincon in this game imo.

I've suspected town, but I have not killed anyone. Who have I pushed that then got chopped because of it?

You can say my reads are shit, but town killing? no.

Why are you letting town from your towncore flip so easily?

Oh yes I forgot I control every vote in the game.

I literally created a wagon day 1 to try to save them. Fuck off.

mfw this is wolf theater.

your face when this is wolf theater



(there's no way)

[MacDougall]

Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

I think this is mafia Falcon.

Going back to this, my read here at the time was Falcon mafia because I felt like Neon had just scumread three town in a way that felt like a town being wrong and Falcon's reply here feels like how a mafia replies to a town they know is wrong. It's a thought that a town should never have in reply to that post imo.

[MacDougall]

Ever open an ISO and read it and be like "damn this is mafia/town" and start making a wall post and just... not want to do it anymore.

I just did that with Seanzie's ISO, which is just scummy as fuck.

[MacDougall]

Anyway I hate mafia and quit.

[Porscha]

like. Sig could've voted Creature.

but how do we figure out if sig knows as wolf she's gonna flip town and doesnt vote roxy to look better off wagon and say he told us so, instead of just joining the wagon to confirm a town goes over?

the only thing is that roxy.... was not looking like they were going to keep really playing much. worrying about her not towning up and contributing later in the game if she doesnt flip, even if he thinks she's town, isn't particularly enticing, so

[Porscha]

Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

I think this is mafia Falcon.

Going back to this, my read here at the time was Falcon mafia because I felt like Neon had just scumread three town in a way that felt like a town being wrong and Falcon's reply here feels like how a mafia replies to a town they know is wrong. It's a thought that a town should never have in reply to that post imo.

I dont disagree with the general concept but I don't think it's something a town falcon shies away from saying anyway lol

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

[Porscha]

Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.

Sean is starting to ping me. I feel he's laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet...and he talks about a rotten towncore, but is he not part of said core? It's not as tho he's been a major wagon or anything

I'm not laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet. My burden is with the group {SPF, Mac, Bereft}. I don't think the burden I've placed on that group as a whole is undue.

Of those 3, I choose SPF.

really?

[staypositivefriend]

i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please

[MacDougall]

Btw

Temperance - Balance, Moderation, Patience, Purpose. If the player who draws this card chooses to play it, a number of living civilians equal to the number of living mafia members will be randomly chosen. The posts made by each during the following day phase will be added up and compared. If the totals are balanced within 5 posts of each other, the player who drew the Temperance card will be granted one alignment check. If they are not in balance within 5 posts of each other, the player will only be told how many total players were tallied. As this card has no useful purpose for the mafia, if a mafia member draws it, their night kill becomes a strongman kill for the following night.

Town should probably try to coordinate to ensure this card is playable moving forward.

[Porscha]

How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

Is it being ignored?

It's definitely a possibility, but I think it's a gamble I'd be very shaky on.

Tutuu's conviction towards alot of slots could very much be TMI.

The thing that may support this is that all of the slots Tutuu wrs are what I'd think are very *safe* and apply to people that are 1 unfamiliar or 2 often misread.

who in the wr's are you thinking of here? and how do you mean "safe"?

[tutuu]

i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please

my reads unchanged i assume u remmber if not ill quote

[Porscha]

Like if I'm jetisoning a strong townread, it's Mac, not SPF or Tutuu. Mac has been erratic and thrown out random accusations.

But why aren't any of those three dead? I didn't miss another mass redirect did I?

you sure this isn't omgus on mac? lol

[staypositivefriend]

i honored alison's legacy. i townread her but she agreed to die and if so we follow her reads. and so i did

roxy was believed to be in anti-spewed as said by bereft

before roxy flipped town, bereft somehow got his "spider sense" to tingle that "something is weird" - he he put me in his PoE, from "so town it hurts"

then the little punk comes today and votes me

berfet is MAFIA

this is not an explanation of why bereft is mafia, this is just a description of how he has played the game. why do you believe it is wolf indicative for bereft to get a sense that "something is weird"? why do you think that it is scummy for him to go from townreading you to POE'ing you when you are doing the same to him? this read does not make sense.

i need to go to bed though so bye

[tutuu]

i honored alison's legacy. i townread her but she agreed to die and if so we follow her reads. and so i did

roxy was believed to be in anti-spewed as said by bereft

before roxy flipped town, bereft somehow got his "spider sense" to tingle that "something is weird" - he he put me in his PoE, from "so town it hurts"

then the little punk comes today and votes me

berfet is MAFIA

this is not an explanation of why bereft is mafia, this is just a description of how he has played the game. why do you believe it is wolf indicative for bereft to get a sense that "something is weird"? why do you think that it is scummy for him to go from townreading you to POE'ing you when you are doing the same to him? this read does not make sense.

i need to go to bed though so bye

- why do you believe it is wolf indicative for bereft to get a sense that "something is weird" -

because roxy was supposed to flip mafia and he had no reason to drop me from his towncore nothing changed before she flipped

- why do you think that it is scummy for him to go from townreading you to POE'ing you when you are doing the same to him? -

because he started doing it yesterday before roxy flipped and i did it today

[tutuu]

This game confuses me currently but I haven't been able to articulate why.

Spoiler: show

This is the town inre: lucy/Alison:





No one seems able to move past the fact that:
A) I *am* a notoriously low poster does not mean idc or do not have accurate reads
B) Alison has been wrong about Neon, fs and now me.
C) If you keep following someone that is no better than *you* to figure out this game the town will lose.

I am not in "antispew". It is something I have never done. Why? Bc mostly when I am bad I am not caught, not bragging just saying.



Lucy has done fuck all to help solve. She cannot read anyone better than YOU!

Be better. Do better. Try to pull your heds out of your asses.




I would thank certain people and give final reads but you fuckers do not deserve one ounce of my help.
I dare ANY of you to ask why after the game ends.

I send every good vibe to the mafia. I hope you win <3

his post was before roxy's post if u look at the timestamps, he literally had no reason to suspect anything was off with roxy since she has literally made 0 posts at that point (between him convinced shes an anti spewing and this)

@staypositivefriend

[Porscha]

Btw

Temperance - Balance, Moderation, Patience, Purpose. If the player who draws this card chooses to play it, a number of living civilians equal to the number of living mafia members will be randomly chosen. The posts made by each during the following day phase will be added up and compared. If the totals are balanced within 5 posts of each other, the player who drew the Temperance card will be granted one alignment check. If they are not in balance within 5 posts of each other, the player will only be told how many total players were tallied. As this card has no useful purpose for the mafia, if a mafia member draws it, their night kill becomes a strongman kill for the following night.

Town should probably try to coordinate to ensure this card is playable moving forward.

so... this is only useful, literally, if the 5 mafia total posts is within 5 total post count of a randomly selected group of 5 town? (5 is the example since right now that is the case, obviously if used later in game and wolf count has decreased, the town amount does)

cuz otherwise if they aren't within 5 total posts of each other then the person who used the card only gets to know how many players were tallied. but since we have all flips... we already know how many maf are alive, and therefore how many town would be included in that count. I'm understanding this correctly, yes?

[tutuu]

im at this now

creature, sig, bereft, dennis, falcon

[tutuu]

it might be winnable guys

[Porscha]

i'm like....a player that exists in the game. you can interact with me. you can figure out my alignment by talking to me about my reads and asking me questions.

You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Still found myself agreeing with Seanzie that there's something wrong with our rockstar towncore.

okay so what's wrong with it? aren't *you* a part of the general towncore? for reasons i'm not understanding

[Porscha]

im at this now

creature, sig, bereft, dennis, falcon

weren't you sr'ing jack before?

[tutuu]

im at this now

creature, sig, bereft, dennis, falcon

weren't you sr'ing jack before?

nah i think i always had him as town, then at some point at d3 i conceded that he could be wolf, i ended the day saying he's my least confident townread, and its still like that. he's chilling

[Porscha]

Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.

I'm not going to do that. I know I can't outargue the heavy hitters out there, and I've learned enough from mafia that when I'm the underdog in these sorts of situations, I shouldn't even try to case them, it will be torn to shreds and it will be written off by the town.

I leave it to you to convince yourself, or them to slip up.

this is like, pointless. how about you dont "sell" me anything but I'd like to know what you think you're seeing so that maybe I am able to see it too

[tutuu]

porscha did u end day 1 without voting for anyone?

[tutuu]

oh yeah you did, you're lock town

i missed that oops haha

[Porscha]

im at this now

creature, sig, bereft, dennis, falcon

weren't you sr'ing jack before?

nah i think i always had him as town, then at some point at d3 i conceded that he could be wolf, i ended the day saying he's my least confident townread, and its still like that. he's chilling

okay I must misremember then. i'm really not thinking it's falcon or bereft right now. it's possible i'm being blindsided by bereft here but their logic and explanations behind the logic always make sense to me. it feels genuine and bereft doesnt fear changing their reads when they feel like they are relatively calculated which to me reads as a towny tone

[Porscha]

oh yeah you did, you're lock town

i missed that oops haha

how does that make me lock town to you

[tutuu]

oh yeah you did, you're lock town

i missed that oops haha

how does that make me lock town to you

ppl who dont vote dont draw card

chances are u didnt have 4 afk wolf teammates all not caring that u'll miss a card

i'd have pinged u 10000 times

[MacDougall]

@DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

[MacDougall]

I miss you @Baudib1

[Porscha]

I don't know why tutuu turned on Dennis or why Dennis turned on tutuu.

I don't like jack disappearing.

Idk I'm kinda doubting my Wilgz read atp. I don't feel like he would converse and question me like that if he wolf? Maybe? Kinda idk.

I would like to sort Seanzie/mac because I think one is either wolf or at least wolfsiding.

I haven't read berefit iso and just read d3-4 posts. Who are they?

i'm still struggling to determine what I think about wilgy but I dont think that specific comment was wolf ai from him

[tutuu]

@Alison after leaving us with a 0/3 legacy