The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:50 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:39 pm How did the soup mechanics work? How much info did the mafia team have about all the roles?

not much. we had a n0 result on a random player (was on nutella) as an exchange for having to kill someone in our faction (dya's loyal day vig). we then used dizzy's 1-shot rolecop on belzy because we figured belzy+porscha were linked

then we only had the info town shared, so we figured falcon was town JOAT. i think we speculated on you being the gift giver, but it was a risky soup

yeah syn posted the soup in spec chat. It failed because dya had me as the gift giver.

Why did you think I was that?

dya received an immunity ability on n1.

"Cuirass of the Savior’s Hide

You have received an item! It is the Cuirass of the Savior’s Hide. While you possess this item, you are immune to any non-lethal negative actions taken against you. This includes kill modifiers, but not kills themselves. You will be told if/when you lose possession of this item."

you softed that you were self-clearing in some way + i looked and you were the creator of a game that used a similar ability (and we were aware roles were assigned to people, not randomized) + you were reading dya as town. i dunno, it was really just speculation so i'm surprised they went for the soup with that with only 1 scum left. but, dya didn't have much time to play and was loverized to sabie so i can totally understand wanting to take a leap, i just would've erred on the more cautious side

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:39 pm How did the soup mechanics work? How much info did the mafia team have about all the roles?

not much. we had a n0 result on a random player (was on nutella) as an exchange for having to kill someone in our faction (dya's loyal day vig). we then used dizzy's 1-shot rolecop on belzy because we figured belzy+porscha were linked

then we only had the info town shared, so we figured falcon was town JOAT. i think we speculated on you being the gift giver, but it was a risky soup

GGs. I got frustrated w/this game mainly because this was a challenging roll power-role wise for us to play with 2 goons + a negative-utility role + a 1-shot role cop + a vig we had to use on ourselves + a bpv + a 2-shot tracker VS. all the extra powers town had and the town-sided 3P joats, and then we ended up having dya loverized to sabie as a "prize." We attempted to kill ilario and missed.

The only thing I regret though is LP tying themselves to me, but I mis-interpreted my role and thought I could only die from being chopped.

Thanks for putting this together. I enjoyed day 1.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:24 pm Reading early Day 3, I actually think Alexa has the worst looking opening and progression that phase. Which makes me feel less anxious about the poison thing.

please explain

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:36 pm illario, this is why it's hurtful

1. if i am town and you think i'm scum, then you had no reason to approach the game the way you have. you've just tunneled me day after day, even after coming around on me, and said things that have made me feel like shit about my town game and like you know i'm insecure about that stuff. with the wincon you have said you have, there is no valid/explainable reason for you to approach me the way you have this game

2. even if you think i'm scum/even if i was scum, and you have the wincon you say you have, the way you're approaching me id still see as messed up. you think i'm part of a scum team who is chosen so are like "i'm 3P and petty so i'm going to hard townside against you?" scum me would be like, 'that's messed up, it's clearly not me who chose a team if a team was chosen. there's 3 scum left and you targeting me as 3P' - i would perceive as complete bullshit after everything this game


if you were town, it'd be different.



but you are either 3P or mafia who shot your partner for no reason. either way, it is bullshit.

EBWOP

but yeah i was shaking with anger at you last night and im trying to calm down

illario, this is why it's hurtful

1. if i am town and you think i'm scum, then you had no reason to approach the game the way you have. you've just tunneled me day after day, even after coming around on me, and said things that have made me feel like shit about my town game and like you know i'm insecure about that stuff. with the wincon you have said you have, there is no valid/explainable reason for you to approach me the way you have this game

2. even if you think i'm scum/even if i was scum, and you have the wincon you say you have, the way you're approaching me id still see as messed up. you think i'm part of a scum team who is chosen so are like "i'm 3P and petty so i'm going to hard townside against you?" scum me would be like, 'that's messed up, it's clearly not me who chose a team if a team was chosen. there's 3 scum left and you targeting me as 3P' - i would perceive as complete bullshit after everything this game


if you were town, it'd be different.



but you are either mafia or 3P who shot your partner for no reason. either way, it is bullshit.

what is their name

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:57 pm i think I saw that because it was before i had the kid?

yeah but he just randomly started tunneling me again and poisoned me last night



also hope all is well with the kid <3

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:54 pm just so you all know, illario pushes me like this every single game we are V/V and it should not be given real merit regardless. i know i'm dying anyway but lol, i just want to be considered town until then

i think him being 3P is making him go harder at it and more ruthless though

just so you all know, illario pushes me like this every single game we are V/V and it should not be given real merit regardless. i know i'm dying anyway but lol, i just want to be considered town until then

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:48 pm why are we believing 3p?

no idea. i'm ensuring people don't let him skate by after my flip lol, he just poisoned a top towny and is trying to justify it. but i'm poisoned and apparently dying EOD and he claims that if i'm mafia he's met his "wincon of killing 2 wolves and will leave the game" but i'm, obviously not mafia

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:43 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:39 pm hi can someone tell me whats going on?

Alexa was poisoned by ilario. Ilario claims 3p and allegedly believes Alexa is mafia. He might be right.

Meanwhile we’re trying to decide between Creature, sabie, and paopan for today’s chop. Wilgy is a fringe candidate as well. I have been discussed, but that seems to have subsided.

he isn't right and he's a really cunning player so i'm honestly scared he has some power tonight that will be devastating for town

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:39 pm hi can someone tell me whats going on?

i am poisoned by illario (who hardclaimed 3P) and dying at the end of the day. illario claims his wincon is to shoot 2 wolves which is bullshit - him targeting me if he's non-malicious doesn't make sense, so kill him tomorrow.

right now im operating at

Town/Mech Town
alexa
Belzy
Porscha
LinearPoint
dyachei
falcon


3P
Illario

POE
sabie12
JPIC
Sloonei
Paopan
Creature
Wilgy

so W/E, 3 wolves in bottom, just hope illario doesn't fuck everything up tonight. i want paopan to die the most today. JPIC/Creature/Sloonei have been towniest in POE but like, probably has a wolf in that trio

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:24 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:19 pm If it doesn't have to do with your actual role, I don't see the point in hiding it then?

It does have to do with my role.

okay

If it doesn't have to do with your actual role, I don't see the point in hiding it then?

The scummiest thing about Sloonei is him claiming self-confirmable today tbh. That feels like something I've seen wolves do so many times at this stage and I highly doubt it's true.

Paopan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:12 am Now you all see this?
I told you Belzy is scum since day 1.

Her "too towny" attitude disappeared. She's on the hunt now

IDGI. Belzy is confirmed town to me. So are LP and Porcha. There literally can not be 4 wolves - you would have to have the wolf team as Belzy/Porscha/me/LP for Belzy to be a wolf and that's impossible.

I don't understand why Paopan keeps calling himself confirmed town protective looking at his ISO. He is not confirmed at all, LP is more confirmed.


@Paopan, who did you target each night?


I don't see the harm in outing that

Also I wasn't aware Sloonei was top posting?

I more so wondered if he just completely slanked as wolf. Some people are like that

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:30 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:28 pm Most people who can top post as villagers can do so as wolf as well imo

Then why did you ask if I was volume cleared earlier?

Because of the most* people part. I didn't know if you could from experience. I've seen creature do it

Idk, I would still like to kill Paopan before Creaturre

Most people who can top post as villagers can do so as wolf as well imo

[VOTE: PAO] aubergine

temptation to keep vote on illario is high, but this is fine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:50 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:49 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:48 pm Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

And by recent I mean on review of the last couple pages

What has been your general perception of me as this game has progressed?

Early game I was reading you as town under the misconception that you didn't effort really as wolf after Philo Mafia 2, but that was corrected. I then was pinged by your dynamic with C4 in a way that made me feel like GTH it was W/V, however, as it went on and as C4's own read on you developed (which I respect) I was highly leaning toward V/V.

In general I've found your play to be agenda-less, it feels like you are trying to sort through a POE/actively work to solve the game and generally on a similar page to me. However, due to the narrow mechanical POE, i've just POE'd you without really reading you as scum at any point.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:48 pm Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

And by recent I mean on review of the last couple pages

Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

Chopping a wolf is obviously better. but as I know for a fact that illario is not achieving his proclaimed "win con" after today, I worry about what other powers he has and how the unknown can fuck us up.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:31 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:26 pm LinearPoint - Dependent on alexa's alignment

how so? Don't really see how protecting a Town or protecting a Mafia are different.
All it would mean if Alexa flips Mafia would be that she lied about being shot by mafia.

imo if alexa flips town you're likely town and if alexa flips wolf you're likely wolf.

everyone should just be operating/solving in a world where i'm town


i literally got poisoned by a malicious third party who wilded out on me despite townreading me yesterday, it doesn't make sense. illario just wanted me dead

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:28 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:05 pm People really have to trust me Alaxa is town, we together wanted Mac dead, and Sabie was forced to join us

I'm not convinced alexa is non-town

They're dying regardless (probably) and I think if they were mafia they'd be spending a lot of time controlling spew, and I'm not sure they'd be as engaged in interacting with Ilario

if I was mafia I probably wouldn't bother engaging today because I'd just be dead at EOD lol, it'd be pointless

Sabie, I just don't understand why you didn't just tell us that you wanted to holster if that's what you planned to do. Lying about it is the part that I don't get, because we were making a shot around an assumption both died.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:15 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.

But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.

Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.

Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?

If that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at Paopan

If Sabie is Maf, what's her play here? Obvs she'd be aware that she didn't VK Pao as she told you, so why admit to holstering?


Wouldn't it have been the ultimate town cred to deepwolf by shooting Pa

i'm not sure, it is weird. if she's W/W with pao she could've also suggested a different target IG. i just don't get why she lied as town when she said she trusted us both

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:12 pm Sabie talking inthread different than in our vig chat is scummy af, especially with broken a promise to me and Alexa

yeah agreed



but also if she was going to overtly/maliciously lie, idk why she didn't soup us last night so we couldn't call her out. it's still sketchy af though

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.

But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.

Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.

Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?

If that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at Paopan

She did say she only had a shot left and was nervous about being RBed, but she said she was shooting Paopan.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.

But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.

Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:05 pm People really have to trust me Alaxa is town, we together wanted Mac dead, and Sabie was forced to join us

IDG why a non-malicious illario poisons me there. he was talking about sussing Mac/Creature yesterday, not me. if he's not malicious it's extremely WTF.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

They said they were gonna shoot overnight though.

hmm

it does feel like their w/w stock rose if that is the case

yeah, this is why i've been weirded out. we had a 24 hour chat and they never mentioned anything about holstering

I will ISO Sloonei IG

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:48 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:47 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

But why didn't Sabie say that to me and Alexa last night

yeah, I just don't understand why she lied about it.

Did your chat span the full 24 hours of the night phase?

yes

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:47 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:46 pm targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.


from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.

We also need to catch the mafia team. Who are they?

idk, I just killed one of them. I'd like Paopan to die then to re-assess from there. but I won't even get a shot to live.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

But why didn't Sabie say that to me and Alexa last night

yeah, I just don't understand why she lied about it.

targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.


from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

They said they were gonna shoot overnight though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:11 am I mean if that’s all true then we are powerless to prevent your win condition, and if it’s not true then you’ve just decreased your chances significantly.

If it is true then he will not meet his win condition and regardless of what I think of him, my one request to town is to ensure he dies.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:08 am
Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.

And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way.

I did actually discuss this in chat. You can ask them, I realized it last night.


Yes you do. You're taking out one of the clearest towns in the game


If you're not evil aligned, I'm going to be pretty upset with you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:27 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:12 pm If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game.

hm, wouldn't lost wolf have to be assigned though, since it's technically a role? or does it not work that way on TS?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:24 am And all of this isn’t something I’m making up on the spot, you can see from my posts yesterday I felt strongly about this

You had Mac and Creature as a team, but you poison me? like WTF, that makes no sense whatsoever. you very clearly have a malicious wincon.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:24 pm ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

how so?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:09 am I just think she’s trying to shade sabie for doing something that isn’t scummy to begin with. I asked sabie to holster yesterday so it’s not unreasonable for them to holster

Like her vote today is on sabie….for not shooting pao. If pao is town there is nothing wrong with sabie holstering and if anything Sabie had a perfect opportunity to kill a town pr and take no blame for it since everyone in the chat agreed to it at night. If pao is a wolf it does look worse for sabie, but in which case alexa would be voting pao first instead of voting sabie.

If anything it does increase the dynamic slightly that pao and Alexa can be potentially w/w, but not high enough that I would wanna risk killing a self resolvable slot like a town prot

I didn't know you asked Sabie to holster. but sabie said they weren't holstering

you are pre-emptively justifying yourself on me for bullshit reasons

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:03 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:59 am plus alexa and belzy were the 2 who voted to use their vigi shot on mac. do you think alexa just bussed him since he was getting a lot of criticism after tsp got red checked?

That’s why I asked who suggested the shot first in the hood. My guess is belzy wanted mac shot, at which point then yes wolf Alexa would agree with the shot. If she came into the hood demanding mac to be shot that’s another story and what town alexa would do. My guess is this is what happened in the hood:

Alexa asks everyone their thoughts, floats a few names, one of which included mac and the other probably pao
Betsy suggests they want mac dead
Alexa says something like “okay I isod mac and yeah I agree he’s a wolf let’s shoot him”

No, I stated I wanted Mac dead first.