GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Creature]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

It's pretty within the acceptable to a game of roleplay and deception.

[Belzy]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

two-faced was a bit strong

It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?

[Creature]

Chopping a wolf is obviously better. but as I know for a fact that illario is not achieving his proclaimed "win con" after today, I worry about what other powers he has and how the unknown can fuck us up.

I feel like if we consider any other lynch option as too risky we should just lynch illario. I think that's one lynch that shouldn't immediately end the game tonight.

[Belzy]

We are nearing 10k posts!!!!!!!

[Justplayingitcool]

Sabie talking inthread different than in our vig chat is scummy af, especially with broken a promise to me and Alexa

yeah agreed



but also if she was going to overtly/maliciously lie, idk why she didn't soup us last night so we couldn't call her out. it's still sketchy af though

I read somewhere soup kill can only happen with one mafia left, and has to be mafia goon. So maybe soup kill cannot happen rn

This is incorrect, I think. My understanding is that the goon is only able to perform the soup kill if they are the only team member remaining. Any other team member can be designated to perform the soup kill on any night.

This was my understanding as well

[Belzy]

My ex gf is two faced also.

But then irl.

[Creature]

LinearPoint - Dependent on alexa's alignment

how so? Don't really see how protecting a Town or protecting a Mafia are different.
All it would mean if Alexa flips Mafia would be that she lied about being shot by mafia.

imo if alexa flips town you're likely town and if alexa flips wolf you're likely wolf.

Still don't really see why.
It's like saying if Doctor accidentally healed a Mafia being shot by a Vig N1 the Doctor has to be Mafia.

I think your claim comes as pretty convenient to "clear" alexa.

True, but Alexa did claim that she got it at the start of day 2 from what Neeko remembers.
So it should be fairly obvious that she did receive it. Plus there wasn't a Mafia kill the night she said it popped.
People were talking about lynching Alexa because the vest wasn't real and as far as Neeko was concerned it was real and felt the need to clear it up.
If Neeko was wrong and stopped a Vig shot, oh well a Mafia dies today if that is the case and Neeko's fine being shot by Sabie since her usefulness has pretty much dried out.
This just feels agenday to say that Neeko cannot be Town if Alexa is Mafia. You've also been switching reads around a lot pretty much nor hard town reading many people and it's looking like you're trying to keep open as many possibilities for mislynches as possible.

Okay, whatever. I guess you will only be added to the POE if alexa flips mafia here which atp I doubt it.

[Creature]

We are nearing 10k posts!!!!!!!

12% of them will be mine

[Belzy]

We are nearing 10k posts!!!!!!!

12% of them will be mine

That is a lot of pie.

[Sloonei]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

”broke her promise” and “two faced” come off as personal attacks.

[sabie12]

Ooo I'm like a two faced ex girlfriend now. Or maybe I'm like voldemort on the back of someone's head.

[LinearPoint]

LinearPoint - Dependent on alexa's alignment

how so? Don't really see how protecting a Town or protecting a Mafia are different.
All it would mean if Alexa flips Mafia would be that she lied about being shot by mafia.

imo if alexa flips town you're likely town and if alexa flips wolf you're likely wolf.

Still don't really see why.
It's like saying if Doctor accidentally healed a Mafia being shot by a Vig N1 the Doctor has to be Mafia.

I think your claim comes as pretty convenient to "clear" alexa.

True, but Alexa did claim that she got it at the start of day 2 from what Neeko remembers.
So it should be fairly obvious that she did receive it. Plus there wasn't a Mafia kill the night she said it popped.
People were talking about lynching Alexa because the vest wasn't real and as far as Neeko was concerned it was real and felt the need to clear it up.
If Neeko was wrong and stopped a Vig shot, oh well a Mafia dies today if that is the case and Neeko's fine being shot by Sabie since her usefulness has pretty much dried out.
This just feels agenday to say that Neeko cannot be Town if Alexa is Mafia. You've also been switching reads around a lot pretty much nor hard town reading many people and it's looking like you're trying to keep open as many possibilities for mislynches as possible.

Okay, whatever. I guess you will only be added to the POE if alexa flips mafia here which atp I doubt it.

That's fair. If Neeko protected Mafia oops, but she seems pretty much just confirmed Town so yeah.

[Belzy]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

”broke her promise” and “two faced” come off as personal attacks.

No, just no.

She promised me and Alexa to kill Paopan.

She didn't.

So she broke her promise.

How is this personal???????!!!!!!!!!!


SLOONEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sloonei]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

two-faced was a bit strong

It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?

That’s alright. I certainly don’t think you meant any harm. But “two faced” has harsher connotations among some native English speakers. Simply saying that sabie lied about her actions would do the trick.

[LinearPoint]

It clearly was not meant to be taken personally. Just stop saying it was a personal attack.

[Belzy]

It clearly was not meant to be taken personally. Just stop saying it was a personal attack.

Thank you for this.

[Sloonei]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

”broke her promise” and “two faced” come off as personal attacks.

No, just no.

She promised me and Alexa to kill Paopan.

She didn't.

So she broke her promise.

How is this personal???????!!!!!!!!!!


SLOONEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m not telling you the argument is wrong. I just think the language you are using is more inflammatory than it needs to be. I don’t think you are intending it that way.

[falcon45ca]

Ooo I'm like a two faced ex girlfriend now. Or maybe I'm like voldemort on the back of someone's head.

Harvey Dent gets no love anymore

[Belzy]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

two-faced was a bit strong

It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?

That’s alright. I certainly don’t think you meant any harm. But “two faced” has harsher connotations among some native English speakers. Simply saying that sabie lied about her actions would do the trick.

Understood, actually.

[alexa]

Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

[alexa]

Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

And by recent I mean on review of the last couple pages

[sabie12]

I do feel the thread is going in a negative direction. Luckily I'm not mad. Like legit I'm not. There was a misunderstanding and I think it's clear from how this conversation is going now that could happen.

[sabie12]

I do feel the thread is going in a negative direction. Luckily I'm not mad. Like legit I'm not. There was a misunderstanding and I think it's clear from how this conversation is going now that could happen.

How*

[falcon45ca]

Honestly, if Belzy feels this way about Sabie re: Pao, then they should vote Pao

[Belzy]

Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

And by recent I mean on review of the last couple pages

I haven't scumread Sloonei anymore lately. Sabie with Creature and or Paopon has been lately for me

[Sloonei]

Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

And by recent I mean on review of the last couple pages

What has been your general perception of me as this game has progressed?

[Belzy]

Honestly, if Belzy feels this way about Sabie re: Pao, then they should vote Pao

No, because sabie is not truthful, so Sabie is the one i should vote for then. And sabie has killing power. Scum with killing power.

[Creature]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

[Creature]

I will be quite happy already if we hit one wolf today.

[Belzy]

I do feel the thread is going in a negative direction. Luckily I'm not mad. Like legit I'm not. There was a misunderstanding and I think it's clear from how this conversation is going now that could happen.

Sometimes i can be passionate in my wording, so i hope nothing negatieve is sticking

[Creature]

I think finding one wolf at a time is a lot better than getting frustrated when your POE is smaller than the actual number of wolves.

[LinearPoint]

Honestly lynching Paopan over Sabie is always the play in this particular scenario.
If Sabie flips Mafia there isn't actually a clear indication that Paopan is also Mafia. Sabie could be a 2-shot vig and couldn't shoot Paopan/could not convince mafia to shoot Paopan so she could claim the shot.
If paopan flips Mafia there may be an argument that a Mafia!Sabie didn't want to vig her target, but even still Mafia!Sabie could just have claimed roleblocked.

[Belzy]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

If i have to defend myself and Porscha being town at this rate i will jump off a bridge lol

[Creature]

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

two-faced was a bit strong

It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?

That’s alright. I certainly don’t think you meant any harm. But “two faced” has harsher connotations among some native English speakers. Simply saying that sabie lied about her actions would do the trick.

I thought two-faced was very within mafia roleplay standards.

[falcon45ca]

Honestly, if Belzy feels this way about Sabie re: Pao, then they should vote Pao

No, because sabie is not truthful, so Sabie is the one i should vote for then. And sabie has killing power. Scum with killing power.

But if Sabie is scum, then it makes no sense for them to not shoot T! Pao. It would draw negative attention to them, like it is.



It only makes sense for W! Sabie to not shoot W! Pao. Test Sabies claim of holstering due to uncertainty by lynching who you already think is scummy.



Otherwise, it's hard not to see your treatment of sabie outside of tunneling

[LinearPoint]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

If i have to defend myself and Porscha being town at this rate i will jump off a bridge lol

When the PoE gets to the point scum have to consider how to lynch outed Masons lol

[alexa]

Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?

And by recent I mean on review of the last couple pages

What has been your general perception of me as this game has progressed?

Early game I was reading you as town under the misconception that you didn't effort really as wolf after Philo Mafia 2, but that was corrected. I then was pinged by your dynamic with C4 in a way that made me feel like GTH it was W/V, however, as it went on and as C4's own read on you developed (which I respect) I was highly leaning toward V/V.

In general I've found your play to be agenda-less, it feels like you are trying to sort through a POE/actively work to solve the game and generally on a similar page to me. However, due to the narrow mechanical POE, i've just POE'd you without really reading you as scum at any point.

[sabie12]

I am different in smaller chats because they're smaller and easier for me to process than larger chats. I believe I even expressed that

[Justplayingitcool]

EnderWiggin Town, died N1 - sabie
NotAnAxehole Town, died N1 - HK?
Urist Town, died N1 - ???

c4e5g3d5 Town, died N2 - Sabie
Alexa unknown, alignment - Allegedly shot and BP vest gone

Master Radishes Town, died N3 - ???
Phil and Gloria Mafia, died N3 - Shot by Falcon, Belzy, Alexa and Sabie

Am I missing anybody from the claimed shots at night?

[Belzy]

Honestly, if Belzy feels this way about Sabie re: Pao, then they should vote Pao

No, because sabie is not truthful, so Sabie is the one i should vote for then. And sabie has killing power. Scum with killing power.

But if Sabie is scum, then it makes no sense for them to not shoot T! Pao. It would draw negative attention to them, like it is.



It only makes sense for W! Sabie to not shoot W! Pao. Test Sabies claim of holstering due to uncertainty by lynching who you already think is scummy.



Otherwise, it's hard not to see your treatment of sabie outside of tunneling

I see your point, but then the conclusion is they both are mafia and Sabie has killing power

[Creature]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

If i have to defend myself and Porscha being town at this rate i will jump off a bridge lol

Would come roughly at the same time falcon has to explain how he didn't decide to just claim a red check on his partner.

[Creature]

I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.

[Sloonei]

I am different in smaller chats because they're smaller and easier for me to process than larger chats. I believe I even expressed that

Did you intend to shoot paopan when it was suggested in the private chat?

[Belzy]

But we do need to decide on a lynch, and Paopon is a valuable option. At some point i will sleep, and that is good for me.

[Creature]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

Oh wait I entirely forgot Justplayingitcool existed.

[Belzy]

I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.

Wilg warrants more investigation, too.

[LinearPoint]

I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.

Boy you would hate to be introduced to a role called Serial Killer.

[alexa]

[VOTE: PAO] aubergine

temptation to keep vote on illario is high, but this is fine

[Belzy]

10k posts is happening

[Justplayingitcool]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

Oh wait I entirely forgot Justplayingitcool existed.

I forget I exist too