GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Belzy]

If Ilario poisoned Alexa, then he doesn't look so townsided to me anymore.

[Belzy]

Can someone remind me who was responsible for each Day 1 vig shot?

Seanzie --> KZA
dyachei --> Marmot
??? --> Scotty
c4e5g3d5 (event prize) --> BoKnows
alexa (event prize) --> Alison

So many townies have shot other townies this game.

[Creature]

Perhaps I am being fooled by sabie

Her not shooting Paopan last night looks bad

[Justplayingitcool]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

[alexa]

I mean if that’s all true then we are powerless to prevent your win condition, and if it’s not true then you’ve just decreased your chances significantly.

If it is true then he will not meet his win condition and regardless of what I think of him, my one request to town is to ensure he dies.

[alexa]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

They said they were gonna shoot overnight though.

[Sloonei]

This game has started to go off the rails. Let's regroup.

ALEXA IS POISONED. Arguing about her alignment today is pointless. Unless there is a healer who opts to save her, she is flipping at the end of this phase whether she is town or mafia.

Targeting Ilario today is pointless. He has claimed 3P, and takes responsibility for poisoning Alexa. He has presented arguments for suspecting alexa to be mafia. We can agree or disagree with this arguments. But, again, she is going to flip no matter what. We can discuss her alignment, but only insofar as it helps us to identify other POE possibilities around her.

There are three mafia remaining. It is a safe bet that Ilario is not one of them in any world. Belzy, Porscha, and falcon are also almost definitely not among them. LinearPoint is only mafia if Alexa is also mafia. The more civilians we can identify in the remaining groups of players, the easier it becomes to solve this game.

I believe that DrWilgy and JPIC are town based on interactions with dead mafia members and, in JPIC's case, posts during this day phase.

That leaves me with Creature, Sabie, paopan, and the possibility of Alexa and LinearPoint. If Alexa flips town, then I feel the game may be solved. If Alexa flips mafia then the game may be solved as well. I would pick Creature and LinearPoint as her most likely partners.

Absolutely none of those POE reads are set in stone (including the JPIC and WIlgy townreads). But healthy discussion is essential if we want to win this game. We must be open to reconsideration of reads, and pursue things with clear and honest minds. I am saying these words as much for myself and everyone else.

[Sloonei]

I also believe that sabie's reaction to the immediate scrutiny she faced for not shooting paopan looked town. She seemed sincerely emotionally overwhelmed. I think that only happens if she made an earnest decision not to pull the trigger on paopan, and then felt that her decision was being attacked.

[Belzy]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

But why didn't Sabie say that to me and Alexa last night

[alexa]

targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.


from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.

[alexa]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

But why didn't Sabie say that to me and Alexa last night

yeah, I just don't understand why she lied about it.

[Belzy]

Perhaps I am being fooled by sabie

Her not shooting Paopan last night looks bad

Finally, some normal thinking

[Sloonei]

targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.


from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.

We also need to catch the mafia team. Who are they?

[Sloonei]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

But why didn't Sabie say that to me and Alexa last night

yeah, I just don't understand why she lied about it.

Did your chat span the full 24 hours of the night phase?

[alexa]

targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.


from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.

We also need to catch the mafia team. Who are they?

idk, I just killed one of them. I'd like Paopan to die then to re-assess from there. but I won't even get a shot to live.

[alexa]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

But why didn't Sabie say that to me and Alexa last night

yeah, I just don't understand why she lied about it.

Did your chat span the full 24 hours of the night phase?

yes

[Belzy]

It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.

[Belzy]

Red* checked

[Belzy]

targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.


from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.

We also need to catch the mafia team. Who are they?

idk, I just killed one of them. I'd like Paopan to die then to re-assess from there. but I won't even get a shot to live.

Please consider lynching Sloonei with me today

[Sloonei]

It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.

Here is where some consideration of the Town Sloonei worldview comes in handy.

I am town. The POE of others seems to heavily suggest I must be mafia in order for the game to make sense.

My own 3-person POE of Sabie, paopan, and Creature does not feel very solid.

Therefore I am lead to question the game state.

[Belzy]

Perhaps I am being fooled by sabie

Her not shooting Paopan last night looks bad

But then look into Sabia and Paopan also mafia is a thing.

[Sloonei]

targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.


from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.

We also need to catch the mafia team. Who are they?

idk, I just killed one of them. I'd like Paopan to die then to re-assess from there. but I won't even get a shot to live.

Please consider lynching Sloonei with me today

You will note that alexa has had very little to say about me this game.

[Creature]

It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.

I know. I am saying identifying the wolfiest player is important. If we mislynch today we're likely getting souped to a loss.

Identifying the town in the POE won't help when the POE is already tight enough.

[falcon45ca]

This game has started to go off the rails. Let's regroup.

ALEXA IS POISONED. Arguing about her alignment today is pointless. Unless there is a healer who opts to save her, she is flipping at the end of this phase whether she is town or mafia.

Targeting Ilario today is pointless. He has claimed 3P, and takes responsibility for poisoning Alexa. He has presented arguments for suspecting alexa to be mafia. We can agree or disagree with this arguments. But, again, she is going to flip no matter what. We can discuss her alignment, but only insofar as it helps us to identify other POE possibilities around her.

There are three mafia remaining. It is a safe bet that Ilario is not one of them in any world. Belzy, Porscha, and falcon are also almost definitely not among them. LinearPoint is only mafia if Alexa is also mafia. The more civilians we can identify in the remaining groups of players, the easier it becomes to solve this game.

I believe that DrWilgy and JPIC are town based on interactions with dead mafia members and, in JPIC's case, posts during this day phase.

That leaves me with Creature, Sabie, paopan, and the possibility of Alexa and LinearPoint. If Alexa flips town, then I feel the game may be solved. If Alexa flips mafia then the game may be solved as well. I would pick Creature and LinearPoint as her most likely partners.

Absolutely none of those POE reads are set in stone (including the JPIC and WIlgy townreads). But healthy discussion is essential if we want to win this game. We must be open to reconsideration of reads, and pursue things with clear and honest minds. I am saying these words as much for myself and everyone else.

This is pretty much where my head is at right now

[Belzy]

It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.

Here is where some consideration of the Town Sloonei worldview comes in handy.

I am town. The POE of others seems to heavily suggest I must be mafia in order for the game to make sense.

My own 3-person POE of Sabie, paopan, and Creature does not feel very solid.

Therefore I am lead to question the game state.

Sabie not shooting Paopon is a connection between the two

Alexa is town

Alexa and Paopan are not teamed

You may not be teamed with Paopon, but i sometimes think it still could be

[Sloonei]

Also I will claim if it becomes evident that I will be eliminated otherwise. If I am going to die otherwise, it makes no sense for me to fear the soup.

I have mech which confirms me as town.

[Creature]

Sloonei is like my top suspect but they seem to be claiming a confirmable role so it's lynch Wilgy or risk lynching a protective for me.

[Sloonei]

It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.

I know. I am saying identifying the wolfiest player is important. If we mislynch today we're likely getting souped to a loss.

Identifying the town in the POE won't help when the POE is already tight enough.

Who is the towniest player in your POE?

[Belzy]

Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

[Belzy]

Sloonei is like my top suspect but they seem to be claiming a confirmable role so it's lynch Wilgy or risk lynching a protective for me.

Why lynch Wilg then, and not Sabie or Paopan?

[Sloonei]

Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

What has Creature done to become an irrefutable town read?

[Creature]

sabie I'd rather keep her alive in hopes she actually uses her vig shot tonight on PoE and doesn't just holster.

[falcon45ca]

Can anyone remind me of all 8 in the D2 lynch pool? Who's still alive and kicking from that group?

[LinearPoint]

ilario is only really not pointless if his poisons only hit town, then he's a surefire lynch as it's rather obvious he's lying about his wincon at that point.
But no point in even really talking about him until that point in time.

[alexa]

I will ISO Sloonei IG

[Creature]

Can anyone remind me of all 8 in the D2 lynch pool? Who's still alive and kicking from that group?

DrWilgy and sabie12 are the only ones alive

[Belzy]

Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

What has Creature done to become an irrefutable town read?

I have not townread Creature, so why ask me?

[LinearPoint]

Can anyone remind me of all 8 in the D2 lynch pool? Who's still alive and kicking from that group?

Wilgy and Sabie that's all
TSP flipped Mafia the rest Town

[falcon45ca]

Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

Totally fine w/ Pao. Doesn't Sabie have a role?

[Sloonei]

ilario is only really not pointless if his poisons only hit town, then he's a surefire lynch as it's rather obvious he's lying about his wincon at that point.
But no point in even really talking about him until that point in time.

I'm pretty sure he only claims the one poison. Plus he already shot one mafia member.

[Belzy]

sabie I'd rather keep her alive in hopes she actually uses her vig shot tonight on PoE and doesn't just holster.

What if sabie is mafia? Then we should kill her before anyone else. Why you don't consider that at all?

[Sloonei]

Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

What has Creature done to become an irrefutable town read?

I have not townread Creature, so why ask me?

Would you consider voting for him today?

[Justplayingitcool]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

They said they were gonna shoot overnight though.

hmm

it does feel like their w/w stock rose if that is the case

[Belzy]

Maybe lynching between sabie and Paopan is smart

[Creature]

sabie I'd rather keep her alive in hopes she actually uses her vig shot tonight on PoE and doesn't just holster.

What if sabie is mafia? Then we should kill her before anyone else. Why you don't consider that at all?

idk I still think she is town vig and lynching town vig would be really bad for us

[Belzy]

Maybe lynching between sabie and Paopan is smart

Between sabie and creative*

[LinearPoint]

Neeko still feels like Sabie is only Mafia if they are claiming Mafia kill shots and lying about being a vigilante.
They are still our only night vig claim. So pretty lock town.
Mafia probably wouldn't get 2 Mafia into final 8 so Wilgy may be clear from that.

[Belzy]

Creature*

[alexa]

I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

They said they were gonna shoot overnight though.

hmm

it does feel like their w/w stock rose if that is the case

yeah, this is why i've been weirded out. we had a 24 hour chat and they never mentioned anything about holstering

[Creature]

Feels stupid atp we can lose tonight if: 1) we lynch town!sabie; or 2) we let wolf!sabie live