The Syndicate

lolol

again, sorry for losing faith in ur townyness lavender. u were rly fun to read

"i've been keeping refreshing the page ever since" as in, i was refreshing it to see if you finally posted because i was getting anxious, is what i meant

1612 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:42 pm I do wanna note that 1612 took like 20-35 minutes to react. I had my post accusing him of being peeked mafia ready and posted it right after he made a flurry of post. I've been keeping refreshing the page ever since. But like, obviously IRL could have gotten in his way and stuff. But ... idk. If he reacted sooner I would have townread him. I still kind of scumread him and lowkey think he could be Godfather. But I'm willing to believe he's not Goon.

(sweats and slowly changes settings to hide online status, crossing fingers tutu doesn't realize)

I did not expect that online status on forum to be a piece of info. Lesson learned.

hi, i wrote u some stuff about this on the graveyard discord chat. it wasnt related to the online status

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:09 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:08 pm i love u too

but your actions must have consequences.

Please tell me we're playing every other game ever together.

ily mp7

did u join the ambidals zoo game? ill be playing there as well as macdougall's game

i love u too

but your actions must have consequences.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:37 pm i can't see cobbler as scum sorry. i think he might be the only person i'd never yeet.
so yeah he's probably scum /s

this was was/is quite funny too

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:04 pmN0 peek is determined by RNG and can't land on mafioso, I think.

Not if you're Tutu!
(I know - I was just making a joke =p)

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:05 pmI really wanted to be able to read her pre-game. I didn't know if I could. So I remembered what advice a great warrior once gave me - if you're struggling to mind read someone, just cheat. So I cheated and acquired TMI on her. Worked like a charm. GG.

Cheating is the only one honorable way to play mafia. We all know that. BRAD

This post was extremely funny. Because I actually unironically manually picked my n0, LOL

Gg

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] prepare to get ur butt misyeeted over and over again from now on as punishment for this game

o hai

maybe it doesnt matter now but just wanted to point out now that Pyre Mafia (a game that was ongoing) recently ended i can finally mention how i was consensus townread d1 by everyone there, and then during the night chat, a few hours before the end of the night, i have this one guy scumreading me out of the blue, i was then the night 1 kill, and the guy turned up mafia. thats why i was on lavender's throat when he started fossing me a few hours before night ended it literally happened to me last game lol i dont think its non-standard at all

aw. thanks for trying to cheer me up. ur great. i rly wanna take a backseat in the game now and let u guys carry, i hope thats alright. i wish u all the best, both in mafia and in real life

i was really hopeful my reaction test would have produced some good results, i wanted to impress everyone and stuff. in the end it was probably useless and should be ignored. oh well rip. dont think ill try something like that again

im happy to be embraced by death in ~24 hours. alison and dizzy and mp7 are gonna powertown and i fully believe in their ability to carry. i couldnt ask for a better team

yea i think we win

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:04 pmN0 peek is determined by RNG and can't land on mafioso, I think.

Not if you're Tutu!

yea ABOUT THAT

lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:13 pm Fwiw I wanted to check jeraldooo but I remember Alison asking me about Urist so I checked Urist just because I wanted to help her out so I changed it at the last moment.

I was thinking you might've checked Lavender tbh, since you "voted" him in the night. Hard assumption leap that Lavender is godfather who actually DID think you were cop and checked him, and that is why he was so cheery when you cop claimed. Cause otherwise I kind of found that cheeriness pretty towny tbh. Again, I'm probably way overthinking this. But my 2/3 scum I thought I had earlier was Proto and Lavender, since I thought you most likely had a red on Lav.

i was nodding my head as i was reading this post

gambatte!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:01 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:04 pm Unrelated but I love being mechnically confirmed town. Every time I roll town I have to deal with people paranoid that I'm deepwolfing them whenever I get townread. >< It makes the game easier for me to be able to just post whatever I want without having to worry about justifying or defending myself if someone finds it scummy.

I'm also glad you in particular are confirmed town. Good choice of N0 peek, Tutu lol

I really wanted to be able to read her pre-game. I didn't know if I could. So I remembered what advice a great warrior once gave me - if you're struggling to mind read someone, just cheat. So I cheated and acquired TMI on her. Worked like a charm. GG.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:55 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:51 pm Here's another way to look at it.

What three players have all been paying so little attention to the game that none of them cottoned on to tutuu being the cop?

(Yes, I know I said I'd shoot Scirrus as scum if Urist was my Godfather - but that assumes I have no clue who the cop is. If I thought tutuu was cop softing I'd immediately shoot her because she's near-locktown anyway and it guards against a red check.)

i mean lavender literally said "tutuu wtf is your "mysterious townread M" on alison with no explanation???" but he apparently later confessed he didnt think i was cop so lol idk

if he's scum lol lavender

Like I said, don't assume people will actually read your soft correctly.

(Also if Lavender is town then they didn't cotton on and if they were scum they evidently didn't cotton on - so I was right in saying you should not assume Lavender would have cottoned on.)

well then how can the "What three players have all been paying so little attention to the game that none of them cottoned on to tutuu being the cop?" question be answered?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:51 pm Here's another way to look at it.

What three players have all been paying so little attention to the game that none of them cottoned on to tutuu being the cop?

(Yes, I know I said I'd shoot Scirrus as scum if Urist was my Godfather - but that assumes I have no clue who the cop is. If I thought tutuu was cop softing I'd immediately shoot her because she's near-locktown anyway and it guards against a red check.)

i mean lavender literally said "tutuu wtf is your "mysterious townread M" on alison with no explanation???" but he apparently later confessed he didnt think i was cop so lol idk

if he's scum lol lavender

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:47 pm @tutuu I basically agree that 1612's reaction seems good, mostly because he just seems really confused and trying to come up with theories of what's going on. However, small counter point, when I was catching up there was several mentions of faking cop and faking checks, so an idea that you could be faking a cop check wouldn't really be out of the question. Lavender mentioned this and someone else, I forget who. Another counter counter point, maybe minor, is him thinking Long Con was still in the game lol. Kind of a dangerous assumption to make, but if I were to guess I would think that mafia would be a little bit likelier to know what townies are dead or in the game, unless basically the whole team is pretty lost and don't really know what's going - which is actually possible here. Again, these are kind of assumptions that aren't really worth putting too much stock in. Same with him not reacting to your claim immediately, cause that could just be random. Overall though, I do like his posts. Going back and forth so much on Urist kind of look towny to me, just the way he's been doing it. Also the wanting to "do good" and feeling he's not really doing great also reads towny to me. So in summary more likely a town reaction. Not locked, but definitely not scummy at least.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01 pm I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

Also this, Lavender already said in answer to me that he didn't think you were cop. I don't know why mafia killed Scirrus there really. I think you would be a very likely cop candidate if one paid attention, and further you were super town read and never getting yeeted anyway. I was thinking maybe scum wasn't sure there was a cop but lol they would actually know that once Scirrus claimed, which could actually be something to look out for, who just assumed the setup had a cop when Scirrus claimed and who did not. BUT, I still stay pretty firm in my philosophy that speculating too much about why mafia make the actions they make is very dangerous ground to stand on. There are too many assumptions, and sometimes scum just do shit and who knows why. So for me, I don't really want to overthink this too much.

alright, thanks for your post dizzy i love u

(lavender + jeraldo + 1612 + cobbler is my poe btw)

or lavender

lavender and jeraldo

would yeet jeraldo first

I think 1612 is most likely to be Godfather > Town > Goon but I'll stop digging at the same point and move on

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:20 pm My immediate reaction to 1612's "your cop check is fake!" post was "I'm impressed by the effort, I'd totally lolcat if I was caught scum there".

I guess reaching out to Urist does look like anti-spew.

it does?

Urist's point that if 1612 was Goon he'd try to implicate Urist by making him look bad makes sense to me. From the perspective of 1612 being a Goon, he could in theory have gone "oh shit, I'm caught, how do I drag a townie with me? Oh wait, they all suspect Urist right? Alright, I'll ask Urist for help CCing in thread to make him look like my scum buddy". That's not actually a super implausible line of thought. (Incidentally, it makes Urist/1612 being W/W a lot less likely, unless you think caught Goon 1612 asked his Godfather to counterclaim the cop who caught him. )

Anyway I think I retract my read that 1612 is definitely not Goon. I still lean towards him not being Goon for various reasons but I don't have strong reaction-test evidence to believe that any more.

Well alright

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:20 pm My immediate reaction to 1612's "your cop check is fake!" post was "I'm impressed by the effort, I'd totally lolcat if I was caught scum there".

I guess reaching out to Urist does look like anti-spew.

it does?

Keep in mind 1612 had Long Con in his reads he gave today and didn't realize the slot was the same person as Nanook and already dead?

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:10 pm alright. im tired of keeping this info to myself. im just gonna out it so we can solve together.

my checks are:
n0 alison town (she cant be godfather)
n1 1612 mafia

i think i have a solid idea on who is at least one of 1612's partners. would appreciate some help finding the other one.

Uhhh okay tutu, I don't know what your play is here....
I am hoping you retract that right now. Like I don't know what you are doing??? are you are trying to bait mafia into not killing you?
If you don't take that back before you die, I am the default vote for tomorrow and it's going to be REALLY bad.
BIG waste of time

Or proto and my reads were right and urist is real cop. Please cc for me @Urist
holy moly wtf is this LOL

this doesn't read to me as anti-spewing?

like, it reads to me like he's genuinely fighting it back?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:20 pm My immediate reaction to 1612's "your cop check is fake!" post was "I'm impressed by the effort, I'd totally lolcat if I was caught scum there".

I guess reaching out to Urist does look like anti-spew.

it does?

like do u think 1612 could still be Goon, urist?

If 1612 thinks he's caught why wouldn't he go in anti-spewing? Why would he try to fight it? He knows nobody can win a cc fight vs me?

Why doesn't it make sense for town!1612 to panic and ask his cop read (he cop read you Urist) to save him? (or godfather!1612)

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm Like that doesn't make sense, why would I be the check? there are far better things to resolve such as MP7 or Urist, that imo would have been VERY helpful
I mean if this is fake cop we will see if you die and flip and then we can move on so it doesn't really matter i guess. lol this is hilarious
so real cop doesn't really need to cc here, nevermind DON"T CC

This doesn't even make any sense from a town perspective. "If" she's a fake cop? If you're town then you'd know if she was or not.

He could think she's the real cop and faked the check, I guess.

Yeah I did suspect that she was just faking notes since tutu was already a strong town read for me (and it makes sense how much she defended you as the n0 peek)
I was like wondering if she was trying to say she wasn't the real cop and surviving the night kill but I thought that was a stretch and a waste of time. AND you don't actually give your real notes if you do die, so it was loooking pretty bad without her real notes.
In hindsight, I wish I allowed more reactions to take place but yeah i panicked. I hope there was enough info there though

Contrary to that I actually wish you would have reacted immediately. I kept refreshing the thread lol. But yeah. I've never done this before, I'm assuming you too. Was an interesting experience! Reaction checks happen almost every single game on Epic Mafia, it's kinda brutal over there. Good work to both of us!!!

Fwiw I wanted to check jeraldooo but I remember Alison asking me about Urist so I checked Urist just because I wanted to help her out so I changed it at the last moment.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:09 pm Also really disappointed that I was the n1 check, there were way better options. Considering I can only be scum if all 3 scum were on Nanook d1. Also I tried to save Nanook d1 by swinging the banish onto proto, like wtf kind of scum play would that be
Anyway

If you're town have you scumread a single scum this game?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:54 pm Confirmed town:
tutuu
Alison

Town town town:
Dizzy
MP7
Town town town but with slight caveats:
Urist (mechanically they could still be godfather)
1612 (mechanically they could still be godfather. they can't be goon if you think my reaction test was solid AND his reaction was also solid)

Towny:
Michelle

Sketchballs:
Lavender
cobbler
jeraldooo

Does anyone have disagreements / thoughts / complaints / suggestions to this?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:03 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01 pm I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

The actual fallacy here is assuming that mafia is on-point with their cop detection at all times. I've seen mafia just ignore obvious cop softs many times before. You can't assume everyone's going to play perfectly, and we did allude to a lot of meta stuff between us so M could easily be a meta thing.

M stood for Madoka btw

I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:55 pm re: was it right for the mafia to kill Scirrus?

Mechanically speaking, it is correct for the mafia to kill Scirrus if they believe the Godfather will be checked N1. And if Urist is the Godfather, he probably thinks he's being checked N1 as the counterwagon to nanook.

Risk so much just for the potential to get the cop to check the Godfather Urist n1?

Instead of ... hunting for the cop, and killing the cop?

If I'm Mafia I would be fighting tooth and nail against this play in Mafia chat

That's like purposely not killing a Doctor as Mafia, in hopes that the Doctor heals you from the Vigilante.

Confirmed town:
tutuu
Alison

Town town town:
Dizzy
MP7

Town town town but with slight caveats:
Urist (mechanically they could still be godfather)
1612(mechanically they could still be godfather. they can't be goon if you think my reaction test was solid AND his reaction was also solid)

Towny:
Michelle

Sketchballs:
Lavender
cobbler
jeraldooo

My n0 peek is Alison (she can't be godfather)
My n1 peek is Urist, town. He mechanically can be godfather but shouldn't be considered for yeet before LyLo as Godfather flip clears him. Additionally

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:47 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:21 pm RIP Scirrus, you died.

If the cop has 2 checks still alive they should definitely claim. If they only have 1 they should claim if it's a red.

actually if the mafia have a godfather, it might not be worth claiming with 2 greens.
It brings the PoE to 8 with 2-3 mafia in that 8. Assuming the cop is killed tonight and a green is killed the following night, we have 1 non-goon in 7p. Which tbh is not that helpful unless it was someone who'd be banished otherwise.
But the n0 check is never the gf right? So that one is guaranteed. Hopefully it wasn't Nanook.
Whatever, use your own judgement.

I believe this post is a good look on Urist. If he is the Godfather, he is shooting himself in the foot. Unless you want to argue that this is WIFOM and he as the Godfather is purposely shooting himself in the foot to make it seem like not a Godfather. But then that's probably a bit too of an advanced Mafia play which isn't consistent with the fact that he let himself be put in a position to have 50% chance to be the yeet D1? But the biggest factor imo is the fact that I believe that regardless of how good as a Mafia player he is in terms of communicating and making good reads, he understands mechanics. He was the only one like me to get annoyed at people being like "uh oh why mech test scirrus? no point" and he also just like me immediately identified Scirrus's soft claim and had a gut reaction to publicly point it out. It seems ridiculous to me that if he is Mafia he couldn't find me as cop here and kill me night 1. And on top of that, even if he is Mafia and he couldn't cop read me, I think it makes no sense for him to be happy with the mafia team killing Scirrus instead of Cop hunting. Mafia killing Scirrus is an obvious mistake on their part. And with that, let me move on to Proto

Proto believes Mafia killing Scirrus was the standard play. It's obviously not, because the Cop has unlimited checks, and killing 1 clear (Scirrus) doesn't do anything as it gets replaced immediately with another clear by the Cop, or even worse, a guilty check. I believe this is a bad look for Proto and everyone from his community - Lavender, Jeraldo, 1612, as well as cobbler who has said he is newish to Mafia I believe. If Proto believes killing Scirrus is standard then that probably means the rest of these ppl also believe so?

Dizzy is obvious town for the amount of transparency, emotions, and "fragrancy" he expresses ITT.

Michelle I have as very strong town still due to her fighting tooth and nail against any and all kind of pressure. At one point she was preoccupied with clearing her name and being annoyed at scumreads more so than anything else ("who told you that since im champs player i cant be exe bait?") which just screams genuine to me. Perhaps her brain works like mine and Dizzy's, since he is also townreading her for the same reason. And all 3 of us are very likely town.

Lavender is a wild card. I really really hated how he sussed me a few hours before the Night ended, I was convinced I was the kill and he was doing it to look towny. Me not dying makes me reconsider. But I'm still in the mindset to scumread him, and my gut reaction is to think that he perhaps pussied out of killing me because of how much I FoSed him. It could be, it could not be what happened.

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:59 pm ALSO

tutuu, i'd like to formally retract my townread on u and insert a scumread in its place

reasons

1) abysmal reasoning for voting lc/nanook, this is the best i could find:

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine let it rand

2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason), and entirely unjustified scum reads. most of your posts lately are just asking for scumcases. like why so interested in a scumcase on mp7 from urist??

3) i don't see a coherent reason for why nanook flipping town would make your reads go from this:

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:57 pm urist and nanook both maf

idk whos the last maf. maybe like 1612 or lavender or cobbler or something. someone who fooled us.

to this:

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:00 am i think jeraldooo and 1612 are both mafia

i'd be especially interested in an explanation for 3)

ps: the reason michelle is town to me is that she claimed villy when pressured, i'd like to give her enough credit to claim pr if mafia
pps: 1612 is confirmed mafia lol

i'm going to get off for a while after this, but ill be here for the next 10 minutes for a quick ama

(e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)

He basically spells it out. He spells it out himself that I have no reason to townread Alison. Or at least it's for a "mysterious" reason. I would be puzzled if he's scum and he couldn't put two plus two together and figure out Alison was my n0. I feel like it's a good look for him? But I think he is a good player, way better than he is being perceived as. I think he is capable of fooling us.

Cobbler - everyone including myself townread this guy for a reason that could have been very silly. I think we should all take a step back and consider. Cobber: "Dizzy said that luckily I'm town. I think he scumslipped. Anyone else noticed that" - is literally the only reason I townread him for. This is good enough for an early D1 reads but I don't think this holds up now considering how much has happened.

MP7 im locking as town due to her reaction to the fake peek and eagerness to immediately jump to doing ISOs. If she is mafia she knoew my peek on 1612 is fake regardless of 1612's alignment, but she didn't show it at all.

jeraldo i find no reason to townread.

1612 im going to treat like i have a pseudo town peek on him. (i dont think he's mafia goon)

I do wanna note that 1612 took like 20-35 minutes to react. I had my post accusing him of being peeked mafia ready and posted it right after he made a flurry of post. I've been keeping refreshing the page ever since. But like, obviously IRL could have gotten in his way and stuff. But ... idk. If he reacted sooner I would have townread him. I still kind of scumread him and lowkey think he could be Godfather. But I'm willing to believe he's not Goon.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:39 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

Ohhhhhhhh

Aw. Ok then.
So what we have is Alison and Urist town then? If you're for real this time lol

do you think 1612 fakes this reaction as Goon? i dont think so personally

im not lying this time i swear. n1 urist town

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm Like that doesn't make sense, why would I be the check? there are far better things to resolve such as MP7 or Urist, that imo would have been VERY helpful
I mean if this is fake cop we will see if you die and flip and then we can move on so it doesn't really matter i guess. lol this is hilarious
so real cop doesn't really need to cc here, nevermind DON"T CC

ok i buy this even more. ur either town or godfather. same as urist

hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

nice try :P

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:10 pm alright. im tired of keeping this info to myself. im just gonna out it so we can solve together.

my checks are:
n0 alison town (she cant be godfather)
n1 1612 mafia

i think i have a solid idea on who is at least one of 1612's partners. would appreciate some help finding the other one.

[mention]1612[/mention] i liked playing with u. hope to see u again. any last words? if you give us your scum buddies we'll yeet you last.

alright. im tired of keeping this info to myself. im just gonna out it so we can solve together.

my checks are:
n0 alison town (she cant be godfather)
n1 1612 mafia

i think i have a solid idea on who is at least one of 1612's partners. would appreciate some help finding the other one.

ily2

yea thats why i laughed so much