The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:45 pm Gj fam. Especially SVS.

Thanks! I think it’s just easier to find small things in a thread without a billion posts lol.

Oh thank god, I was a nervous wreck. I was so sure but I’m always do sure ha ha

GG everyone

Ebwop,

1 Teaspoon salt in the cake section lol.

@Spacedaisy

Here it is, sorry I forget to post it earlier.

ORANGE CRANBERRY BUNDT CAKE

2 1/2 cups flour

Orange zest (3 Tb if fresh, 2 if dried)

2 Tb Cointreau (any orange liqueur will do, I use this one, plus *optional* more to soak berries)

4 eggs, room temperature

1 cp fresh cranberries (OR 1 to 1 1/4 cp dried soaked overnight in orange liqueur) and @ another Tb of flour for berries, you might need a tad more if you use the soaked

2 cups sugar (1 3/4 cups if you use the dried liqueur soaked berries)

1 teaspoon baking powder

1 salt

1/2 teaspoon baking soda

2 sticks unsalted butter, at room temperature

GLAZE

1Tb butter

1 cup powdered sugar

appx 3 Tb heavy cream

1 Tb each Orange juice and Orange zest

1/2 tsp Orange Extract (or if you don't have this you can use some of the leftover liqueur from soaking the berries)

*If using dried soaked berries, put the berries in a flat (if possible) container with a cover, cover with liqueur, cover container and leave on counter overnight up to 24 hours

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350* oven, preheated

Bundt pan, greased and floured

CAKE

Mix together the orange zest and juice, orange liqueur and eggs and set aside. In another bowl, toss the cranberries with 1 Tb of flour (drain the liqueur out first if you use the soaked berries, and drain it well)

Mix the dry ingredients (sugar, baking powder, salt, baking soda and 2 1/2 cups flour) together . On low speed (this works best with a stand mixer, hand mixer is a littler harder, but I used to make this with a wooden spoon and a whisk; it was a work out but it came out fine), add the butter 1 TB at a time and continue to mix until it takes a fairly uniform crumbly texture. While mixing, slowly pour in the set aside liquid ingredients until combined. With a med-high mixer (this would be where the hand mixing work out comes in) beat until light and fluffy, about 2 minutes with the mixer.

*BY HAND* with a spoon, fold in the cranberries. Pour the batter into the pan and tap it gently on the counter to even out and lift air bubbles.

Bake 50-60 minutes depending on your oven (I have an electric oven now, and it takes @55, when I had a gas oven it was closer to 50, I'd start testing between 45-50 mins) verify with the toothpick test, if it comes out clean you're good.

Let it cool in the pan on the counter for about 20 mins-half an hour, and mix the glaze.

GLAZE

Whisk together the ingredients (don't be tempted to melt the butter; it whisks easier melted, but the texture is different), start with 3 TB of cream, drizzle small amount more in if you want a bit more creamy texture.

Remove the cake from the pan, slowly pour the glaze on and refrigerate to "set" the glaze before serving.

It's a versatile cake, good enough for Thanksgiving company dessert next to the pumpkin pie, but also perfect for a cake to keep around anytime for a quick snack.

But wouldn’t you enjoy telling me I told you so if we have three to go?

LOL, it can't be what I think ha ha, nope nope.

And "Why"? Becasue someone will see it later and come along and say, "But why would she make this post?" and think she's town. That's why baddies do everything they do.

K, gotta go to work xox

I know you don't. But i do.

Dennis can also be a kill playing to people who think Six would get a kick out of killing his family (virtually, lol), because that seems to be a thing some people are thinking. Dennis might also have been a person who might have brought some more insight to the thread on Six.

That is my supposition; that Dennis was killed to isolate Six and make him easier to eliminate.

Here's Daisys last post. (I snipped out the spoilered quote on top)

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:57 am
But I think what my gut reaction to it was that it didn't feel like an accurate description of Dennis. I had done that reading day 1 and when I read this it was like, this doesn't stick right, why doesn't it stick right? I think it just was really different than the impression I had of Dennis. I think I'm falling on the side of giving Dennis a town lean at the moment.

I'm still feeling town lean on Wilgy, I don't know about falcon. I feel pretty comfortable calling Mac town. All the moves look just like his normal civ game to me. Despite thinking SVS is wrong about me, I think her take on Dennis makes me feel like I could say town lean there also so who does that leave in my PoE?

falcon, Mata, Neon, sixstrings

Meh.

Daisy missed the vote. So (and I know everyone doesn't agree) of her POE, Neon was town. I think most if not all of us town read Mata, I town read Falcon, and I think I'm not the only one, his interactions with Neon look so so civ to me. This leaves Six in her POE.

So unless he protests, I think, like I said last night, I doubt he's having a super blast in this game with everyone he knows gone, he might be OK with exiting the game.

I would prefer to yeet Daisy today, but if you insist on Six and he's OK with it, OK. But i sincerely think yeeting Daisy will end the game.

Another point; if it was anyone but Daisy they would have killed me to frame Daisy.

Don’t you think if I was NKed everyone (including you) would point right to Daisy?

@Matahari another option would be framing Six as several people seem to think Kate would find being NKed by her husband fun.

I have reason to think everyone in here is town, except Daisy. But my guess is that Six isn’t having much fun anyhow in a thread full of strangers, so imma stop trying to talk people out of it.

She voted him three hours before EOD. When I came in it was @ 1 hour before EOD. And it was tied then. It would have been sketch af for her to move the vote at that point. But if you read her posts she left herself an opening to do so.

Explain Radishes moving his vote in GOC. You can’t.

And again, I think you’re ascribing Mafia motives and attitudes he may not have developed as yet.

I’m voting Daisy, and you can vote the nub you think killed his wife and now his son lol.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:12 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:04 pm I don't see any reason to let SixStrings live past day 3. If he's town the wolf will be Wilgy.
I would rather yeet Daisy first, please. I have no reason to think she is town, but i do have reason to think he is. Wilgy is not a wolf, you are not a wolf.

If I am wrong, I will sit down and shut up. But I very seriously don't think I am.
What reason do you have to think he is?

All the reasons you think he is. I don't know him, but I know her. She wheedled him for months to play. She loves mafia. He would not kill her night one on his own, she would NOT think it was funny lol. If sig was still alive, yes. His "plz help me" posts have also seemed genuine to me. I have seen him in the tray, and he seems to spend a lot of time in here for someone not posting much, he's reading. He's just a nub who is playing cause someone else talked him into it, not because he happened on a game and thought it was awesome. You're ascribing mafia mindset logic to him, imo.

And since there is only one baddie left, why tf would he make a decisive vote to yeet a civ? Any one not him is a good thing, lol, if he's bad. He would have voted Dennis for not cleaning his room or summat

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:04 pm I don't see any reason to let SixStrings live past day 3. If he's town the wolf will be Wilgy.

I would rather yeet Daisy first, please. I have no reason to think she is town, but i do have reason to think he is. Wilgy is not a wolf, you are not a wolf.

If I am wrong, I will sit down and shut up. But I very seriously don't think I am.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:52 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:24 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:00 pm @DrWilgy does the new way of playing stick to a cycle? Do you not go back and look at whole game behaviors when evaluating a player? Or are people just judged by what they’re doing today?
Sometimes a person can say something early in a game that is reasonably innocent sounding but a few days later, it can look very bad.
I'm not entirely sure what you are asking.

Are you asking if my opinion of you is day to day static? If so no, that would be silly.
No, you questioned why I was looking up something from an earlier cycle, when I didn’t mention it during the earlier cycle. That confused me because I’m used to constantly reassessing things from the entire game. So I wasn’t sure what you were meant.
Ah, I understand.

When I first read your post on Mac having a mistake, I interpreted this as 'you saw this 'mistake' and are going to go back and find it on re-read now.' Not, 'I'm doing a re-read now and found a mistake I didn't see before.'

The former raising the question 'why is this happening only now?'

Oh kinda like what Daisy did?

I would be very surprised if Mac was bad. When we had that thing N0/D1 where he dangled bait and I bit, he felt genuine. He listened to what I said, and he let me off his hook. He felt like he was engaging in good faith.

There’s no reason for him to have done that if bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:30 pm Wilgy now dropping tinfoil on Falcon is so wolfy. He's been treating Falcon like a town to a degree where I've had his townread on Falcon as TMI and now just slips him in here. That's what one does when he realises one of his miselims isn't viable. Now he's slipping his game revolving townread I to PoE.

Don't let him endgame.
Also lol did I say I'm shifting my PoE? SVS asked for just suspicion and that's far more gut based than rationale based.

If I ignore gut (which is correct to do) I have no reason to fear Falcon.
That makes no sense. Falcon is not towny enough for you to have something empirical by which to be townreading him.

I thought his conversations with neon yesterday, drawing her out, were very very civvie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:33 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:30 pm Wilgy now dropping tinfoil on Falcon is so wolfy. He's been treating Falcon like a town to a degree where I've had his townread on Falcon as TMI and now just slips him in here. That's what one does when he realises one of his miselims isn't viable. Now he's slipping his game revolving townread I to PoE.

Don't let him endgame.
I hope you are town then I get to call you a silly willy afterwards.
Do you recognise the absurdity of this thought?

If I'm town, you're also a silly willy for starting this whole thing with a bad read.

You're both silly willies, and I'm totally chuffed to say so.

Polls over, Daisy no showed.

I think you're both town fwiw.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:15 pm Wilgy just maintaining his read on me throughout this day and showing no town paranoia is also nagl. The mindset of wolves in this gamestate often is demonstrated by the lack of flippancy. They pick their targets and just try to roll over them downhill.
Why would I have paranoia ATM? We have 3 misyeets just to get to lylo.

But it would be more fun for those misyeeted people to not be yeeted.

Who are you most suspicious of? Aside from resolving and analyzing how many misyeets we have? I mean, we have 3, but wouldn't it be more awesome to do it in less?

Analysis is good and it has its place in games, town can't win without it. But does anyone vote based on suspicion anymore or is it just POE analysis?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:09 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:08 pm Wow 3 people at the same time
We are the wolfteam.

Everyone except Dennis is the wolf

Undertakes urk me to no end.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:59 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:35 pm Alrighty let's do something with this day

@S~V~S talk to me about Matahari. She seemed pretty towny to me but I am wondering where your doubts are, if I'm correctly remembering that you scumread her

@DrWilgy talk to me about spacedaisy
I’m not anymore. She addressed my concerns and has been solvey imo. I reread her and I think she’s town.

@DrWilgy both Daisy and dig are skilled players (I started playing in 2008 or 09, and at that time Daisy was an experienced player) and sig just fooled 40 people for days on end. I think 98% is a wee bit of hyperbole.

sog, dig, dog, I think I should report y’all for bullying me /dead]

If it makes you feel any better, my phone has started correcting “dog” (and I talk about my dog ALOT) to “sig” occasionally.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:31 pm Wouldn't have this problem if chatgpt write your posts for you.

I'm not afraid of SkyNet

I will welcome our digital overlords

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:00 pm Something has been urking me regarding the Kate kill

People are saying I never kill Kate here, cause she was townreading me. But fmpov that is the PERFECT time to kill her in a wolf Dennis world. 1. She's supa obvi town cause she just stomped out sig and 2. It's sooner rather than later that my mafia God mother is gonna be able to catch me, so I get her out of the way then and cement her reads, giving me credit

Unless the way I'm thinking about this is flawed I think the "Dennis doesn't kill Kate here" is a little weird

I think if you had a team 100% you’d kill her. If you were alone, I’m not so sure, especially since she was defending you. But I could be wrong.

Do you want us to tunnel you and yeet you? I’m sure it can be arranged

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:52 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:48 pm I just reread my previous post and the last sentence was worded badly. To clear it up, what I meant was that I don’t think Kate mentioning Mac or Falcon meant anything bad. Certainly nothing that would make them want to kill her.
But I feel like someone was afraid she would be able to read them. And that is what I hope to see some discussion about.
Kate led the charge on flipping sig, so that undoubtedly played a factor. It made her as lock town as you can possibly get

There's not really a great mystery there IMO

This ^^

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:35 pm Alrighty let's do something with this day

@S~V~S talk to me about Matahari. She seemed pretty towny to me but I am wondering where your doubts are, if I'm correctly remembering that you scumread her

@DrWilgy talk to me about spacedaisy

I’m not anymore. She addressed my concerns and has been solvey imo. I reread her and I think she’s town.

@DrWilgy both Daisy and dig are skilled players (I started playing in 2008 or 09, and at that time Daisy was an experienced player) and sig just fooled 40 people for days on end. I think 98% is a wee bit of hyperbole.

It's kind of freeing being able to defend people without anyone thinking you're teammates.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:57 am
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Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:01 pm

So do you think Mac is trying to discredit town leaders or do you think he's just arrived at this solve? Or are you going for the wombo combo where he's discrediting leaders, which involves pushing his partner, sig?

This last sentence has given too much ambiguity (is that the right word)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:51 pm
Neon doesn't really believe the read because frankly the idea that she's in need of discrediting makes no sense.

Think about where her mindset was at prior to me outing my real read.

Mac lock town most obvious town in the game.

Aside from that she was doing very little aside from jokingly claiming mafia when pressured and voting you ... because she didn't agree with my read on you. Which isn't a good enough reason to vote but that's not my point.

She was not in a position where I would need to discredit her. The idea that I decided abruptly to switch my read on someone who, if I was mafia and they are town, I have them hoodwinked entirely, doesn't make sense as a move to be discrediting her... in actuality it doesn't make sense as a wolf move at all.

To clarify the reality, Neon tried to pocket me. I let them believe that it had worked so that I could make associative reads. If I did this to a town, me doing that is more in my town meta than scum meta and given Neon had me as so obvious town as to joke about how obvious I was, switching to scumreading me for something like this is not towny at all.

If you (Dennis) were suspicious enough for her to have been able to articulate a reason to suspect you beyond I disagree with Mac hence I'm voting, then I could humour she thinks I'm concerned that she will single handedly get you over, my wolf teammate Dennis. But you and I both know that we are not wolf teammates lol.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:31 am I can very easily articulate a reason why I believe Dennis is scum but would you actually listen? Or am I wasting my breath?

Kinda think I'm wasting my breath.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:56 am
I asked you why you were voting him before and you said it was because it's fun, and because you disagree with me.

Given I have already asked, why would you think I'd not be interested?

If you had a real reason, why didn't you say it when I asked the first time?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 am Right but I didn't think you actually wanted to know. And my vote was initially a pressure vote.

But see since than Dennis has gradually confirmed my suspicions.

I think Dennis' reads are weak. I don't think he actually believes them. I know Dennis is capable of articulate posts describing his PoV as town. I know Dennis is capable of reads with nuance. I've tried to get Dennis to expand and he's flat out refused or said he can't expand which feels fake to me. It feels like Dennis is flowing through the state of the thread and trying to blend in.

For instance his read on kate was weak and followed the general flow of the thread where Kate was being generally TRd.

His vote on me only came after the flow of the thread wrt me switched and multiple people who had been silent in my slot or flat out lying about their read on me started to sus me.

Further Dennis' memey personality helps vacant, flat. Kinda forced when he does do it but almost missing overall. Like I tend to meme less and post less gifs when I'm wolf because I'm aware that it draws undue attention to me and flat out pisses some people off.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:44 am Oh cool you do have reasons

I am never ever confident on D1 about my reads. They will always, and have always come off as hedgy or weak or whatever other synonyms I can't think of. I always feel like I need more time or more posts and I can't come to a conclusion quick so it bothers me when people tell me I'm being hedgy

My read on kate was weak because I'm scared of her lol. I mean yeah I believe I have a pretty good chance of being right but I know what she's capable of as wolf so I'm not full clearing her on D1. I guess what I should have said was "I'm not voting Kate today" or something like that but I for some reason feel like my opinion on Kate specifically had to be out there because of the whole "soul read" thing I think we have

I very rarely vote early in days and I even more rarely vote early D1. I don't know if I even have and my vote on you following thread state is probably a combination of following the people I trust, a sr on you and me thinking "I should probably vote soon". So I guess I am blending a little bit I don't exactly mean to

Shrug emoji to this one, all I can really say is I feel like my personality is showing through MUCH more than my wolf games if you look those through

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:22 pm Yeah I hate this

Ok I found it. Also, I had to read it multiple times because I was struggling to parse it and I'm wondering now if that wasn't why it was so niggly in my brain. I took it out of nesting so it was easier for me to sort through, mentally.

But I think what my gut reaction to it was that it didn't feel like an accurate description of Dennis. I had done that reading day 1 and when I read this it was like, this doesn't stick right, why doesn't it stick right? I think it just was really different than the impression I had of Dennis. I think I'm falling on the side of giving Dennis a town lean at the moment.

I'm still feeling town lean on Wilgy, I don't know about falcon. I feel pretty comfortable calling Mac town. All the moves look just like his normal civ game to me. Despite thinking SVS is wrong about me, I think her take on Dennis makes me feel like I could say town lean there also so who does that leave in my PoE?

falcon, Mata, Neon, sixstrings

Meh.

My suspicion is also due to the POE. My POE has been reduced to you, lol.

I've decided I think everyone else is town. I came into Day two with Neon bad, you and Mata as question marks, Falcon as a lower case question mark, and everyone else as town. Neon had a very town day, imo. I hope she chooses to fight today, but she needs to do what is best for her. I have had games where I was being miselimmed and I couldn't wait for the EOD so I could have the emotional satisfaction of a good

. Both Falcon and Mata put up excellent townie showings yesterday, I feel pretty good about both of them.

So the combo of the waffles and this, make me say I'll leave my vote where it is.

Now I have to start getting ready for work in 10 minutes and I haven't even looked at my other game.

I'm gonna reply to this inline with Pedantic Pink becasue it's prolly closer to reality than Sarcastic Orange. I really miss that we don't really use inline colors anymore.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:36 am
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 am
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Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:36 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:00 pm

No.
Would be good though.
Yeah but I'd also have to go live in ISOs and I do not desire to do that.

I probably talked about it when it happened.

If I didn't than like *shrugs* sometimes I don't want to reveal my hand
It isn't helpful to town cohesiveness to be so vehemetly dismissive of a polite request without at least stating why.
*shrugs*
All righty then.

Look, Neon. I was trying to find common ground with you because I found you towny earlier; in my vote post, that's why I voted for sig, not you. But I found it hard to move past your joining sig on his last minute Wilgy Wagon attempt. I have more reasons for thinking many here are good rather than bad. I was hoping we could find some common ground., so i asked you why you townread the two people I am conflicted on.

I was hoping to understand your position, and also help to inform my own, not force you to do something you loathe.

I wish every game had only 11 people in it, lol. And that I know most of them well enough, and there isn't anyone I've never played with, it's so much easier to have actual opinions.

This is where I'm at,

Dennis- town
Dr Wigly- town
falcon45ca- lean town
MacDougall- Town
Matahari- leans someway, could be that I am always paranoid of Matahari. It's not that I disagreed with much of what she's said (and whether or not someone agrees with me isn't AI), it's that I don't particularly understand it. Like this vote post,

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine
Neon- lean bad
SixStrings-lean town, but not for reasons of anything he's done. I doubt anyone busses their wife, who is their only teammate, in a game she loves, when they themselves are not very invested. This would not end well for him.
Spacedaisy-leans ???; very smooth well crafted posts. Daisy always feels level and even to me. I will say in rereading her, this felt very wiggly to me, almost as if she was positioning herself to justify a vote for either Neon or Dennis with this post, depending on how the thread played out.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:06 pm
I feel like there was something between Neon and Dennis that felt off to me, but I can’t remember what. I’ll try to go back to find that after I get done working. I may or may not be back in today, Monday is the day I try to stuff in as much work as I can because it’s the last day of the pay period. I make no promises about my involvement in Tuesday afternoon.

I can see why it would make that impression, but no it was one of the two but I just couldn't remember what it is and I'll have to go back and even see if I can find it again or if it's just lost to deep recesses of my brain where lots of things get swallowed up, like remembering to get into the thread because I've foolishly chosen to play a game.

Reply here got sucked into the prior post. I think if there was something in the back of your mind that might be important, and you were, as you say, forgetful in general, you would go find it.

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:28 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:49 pm Why would he kill you? You are a necessary miselim?
Because I'm tunneled and I intentionally was trying to make it look like a tunnel I'd never leave to scare him into killing me.

Like Dennis is new. And alone now right.

Nobody is holding his hand telling him who to kill
I don't think Dennis would need his hand held, EXCEPT in the case of who was killed last night. I could 100% visualize Dennis with teammates killing Kate, since there would have been a group discussion around it. I am not so sure I see solo baddie Dennis NKing a Kate who is stalwartly defending him.
Mind meld. I was literally thinking why would Dennis kill Kate when she was defending him? That doesn't look to me like a solo Dennis kill. I think it actually is a better look for him being possible town.

You list Six Strings as one of your POE. Do you also think he might, as a nub that prolly got cajoled and wheedled into this game, and had never played before, as a solo baddie, kill Kate Night One?

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:02 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?
So what are your actual reads then?

If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy
My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.
People I'm Not voting for:

Wilgy, Dennis, Mac, Six

People I Would Need convincing to vote for:

Falcon and Now (ALL NEW!) Matahari

People I could consider pending input:

Daisy, that one post was so well crafted to leave her options open.

And I already voted for Neon, but I'm not married to that. I felt good about her until the end of the day, and the way she went for Dennis overnight. I have to read her and Macs interactions. Also sig interactions, I started doing that this AM, but never finished becasue work (boo hiss).

What are you seeing about Daisy that I am not? That one post I quoted earlier, about Neon and Dennis ... that keeps poking at the back of my mind.

I love that you call me well crafted and I can't recall what the other word is. You really are obsessing over nothing. I'm a stream of consciousness kind of poster. If I think it, I'm going to post it. If I don't post it, I might forget it. Case in point, I still haven't gone back to see if I can figure out what was niggling at me. It might not even have been anything, I literally can't remember. I don't know if you were around when my brain got sabotaged by my thyroid, but my memory is like swiss cheese these days, But I do love the idea that you think I'm that slick. Once I get done I will go back and look for that thing.

See prior post, I thought the point was important enough to pull it out.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:08 pm Any half assed sig votes that stay there need to be viewed as just likely town given that any of them could have just as easily half assed voted for Neon and achieved significantly better results lol.

There is simply no need to bus.
Mind meld. I think the only vote on there I don't trust is Neon.

Maybe you (and everyone else) need to reread her day yesterday. I think half of what she says is NAI, and the other half doesn't sound even remotely wolfy to me.

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:02 pm @Matahari It's really only those two posts. The one for sig, where she kinda shaded Neon a bit too, to possibly leave her room to move her vote safely should the thread allow later. And her last post, where she thinks theres "something" hinky about Neon v Dennis, but she doesn't quite recall what, in a multi quote post, again leaving room to go either way plausibly. Otherwise, they are pretty level and unassuming.

Super well crafted posts.
If I was setting myself up to move my vote, why didn't I? This makes no sense. I never would have moved to neon because my biggest suspicion of Neon at the time was based on how sig would flip. Why would I vote Neon first? You have some conf bias going on, I have not been excessively waffling.

Because, based on your post times, you did not come back until about an hour before day ended. At that time, it was tied, you asked the hosts how ties were handled, and appear to have left again. The thread was jumping and making a major move like that would have looked supabad imo. Look how much suspish Neon took for it, and as one of the potential yeetees, it would have been understandable from her. So you didn't do it. Sig made a "thanks for nothing" post , and you were gone again. And I came into Day Two SURE Neon was bad, I changed my mind midday, after watching her post, so not sure how that would be "confbias" or whatever jargon. I think you have been waffling, not sure about 'excessively', but definitely waffling.

And it makes sense to me

Ok, I'm off to see whatever it was.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:36 am
I love that you call me well crafted and I can't recall what the other word is. You really are obsessing over nothing. I'm a stream of consciousness kind of poster. If I think it, I'm going to post it. If I don't post it, I might forget it. Case in point, I still haven't gone back to see if I can figure out what was niggling at me. It might not even have been anything, I literally can't remember. I don't know if you were around when my brain got sabotaged by my thyroid, but my memory is like swiss cheese these days, But I do love the idea that you think I'm that slick. Once I get done I will go back and look for that thing.

OK, I pulled this out from the main post becasue this leads to a very specific point. THAT IS THE POINT. The fact that this is so well crafted and carefully worded, in a multiquote post that took some time to make, yet you had this thing in the back of your mind, that may have made a difference in your out look, and you didn't take the time to look it up? Knowing you likely would not be around?

I'm not sure I buy it. Plus you haven't been back since you posted that, so of course you didn't look it up yet.

And I'm not obsessing, lol. I'm not tunnelling yet, either.

I just think you wrote two posts that were very carefully worded to give you more flexibility to make opportunistic moves.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:21 pm And I want to win. I almost need to win. I've lost so many games lately lol.

Anyways like...I think aside from vibes I don't think Daisy needed to stay on Sig.

Sure Daisy left outs but those outs presented themself and they were never taken. That doesn't feel W/W it feels like a towny who's unsure of their reads in perpetuity.

I totally could be wrong. I'm basing this on literally two twisty, waffly (imo) posts. But that's my game, I look for little things like that, I 've never been a player to do much analysis. And baddies are audacious

And I want you to get that win, too.

OK, dinner than reading in another thread.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:10 pm I wish we could hammer me lol

Well, if Daisy puts up a plausible defense, maybe I'll start suspecting you again and I'll move my vote back, since that appears to be what you want. I started rereading the EOD with the thought in mind that you and I almost never see eye to eye, and that it's NAI for us, and that made what happened more understandable for me.

And any part I had in 'not fun' I'm sorry, that's never my intent. I'm not always the best at reading the room.

Sorry, *yeet

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:53 pm
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Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:02 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?
So what are your actual reads then?

If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy
My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.
People I'm Not voting for:

Wilgy, Dennis, Mac, Six

People I Would Need convincing to vote for:

Falcon and Now (ALL NEW!) Matahari

People I could consider pending input:

Daisy, that one post was so well crafted to leave her options open.

And I already voted for Neon, but I'm not married to that. I felt good about her until the end of the day, and the way she went for Dennis overnight. I have to read her and Macs interactions. Also sig interactions, I started doing that this AM, but never finished becasue work (boo hiss).

What are you seeing about Daisy that I am not? That one post I quoted earlier, about Neon and Dennis ... that keeps poking at the back of my mind.
Daisy voted Sig kind of late in the day, but the votes between Neon and Sig were staying really close. I don’t think if they were a team, that there was any need for her to bus him, she could still have put her vote on Neon, or just conveniently missed the vote. I could be wrong, it’s just a gut feeling so far.
I just looked she voted @4 hours before EOD.

As I said, tilting at windmills, Don Quixote for the win. But her actual vote post, and her post setting her vote up for either Dennis or Neon, that feels more bad to me than Neons Wilgy Wagon with sig. Could be wrong.

Waiting for Daisy

@Neon, and you didn't like it when I voted for you, either, so I just think those posts of hers look bad as all hell. Giving herself room to go either way. We have a day left in day, maybe she'll spank me and make me look like a fool.
I didn't like you when you voted for me but in talking to you I actually slowly shifted my world view to a TL because your flow of thoughts on me and the conviction you felt that I was behaving anti town felt real

I do not like this vote nor because you are voting someone I vibe read town but because you've chosen to move off me even as I've admitted intent to behave in an even more anti town master by self voting and giving up. I feel like you know I'm going to flip town and you don't want to be on three wagon of the towny that gave up because it will look better and you can say you were the first to realize that I was being honest with my emotions and use that to clear yourself.

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No, I prefer to vote for my strongest suspect. And right now it isn't you.

I don't think me moving my vote puts you in and danger of living lol.

I almost gave up today, I was stressed by this thread and spoke with Splints about it, but ultimately decided not to. Being stressed or unhappy in a thread that feels toxic to you isn't anti town, it's human.

Think of it like this; if I'm right, then we can both get the fuck out of here. And if we lynch you, listening to your frustration today, I don't think the game will end.

@Matahari It's really only those two posts. The one for sig, where she kinda shaded Neon a bit too, to possibly leave her room to move her vote safely should the thread allow later. And her last post, where she thinks theres "something" hinky about Neon v Dennis, but she doesn't quite recall what, in a multi quote post, again leaving room to go either way plausibly. Otherwise, they are pretty level and unassuming.

Super well crafted posts.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:51 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:47 pm I'm going to vote Daisy now, Neon sounds very sincere. Since this seems to be my windmill to tilt at, I presume Daisy will be back sometime before EOD, because I dislike voting for people not here to defend.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

She's waffling all over the place.

Hmm. I don't like this.

you were the one who said to look at low posters. So I did.

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Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:02 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?
So what are your actual reads then?

If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy
My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.
People I'm Not voting for:

Wilgy, Dennis, Mac, Six

People I Would Need convincing to vote for:

Falcon and Now (ALL NEW!) Matahari

People I could consider pending input:

Daisy, that one post was so well crafted to leave her options open.

And I already voted for Neon, but I'm not married to that. I felt good about her until the end of the day, and the way she went for Dennis overnight. I have to read her and Macs interactions. Also sig interactions, I started doing that this AM, but never finished becasue work (boo hiss).

What are you seeing about Daisy that I am not? That one post I quoted earlier, about Neon and Dennis ... that keeps poking at the back of my mind.
Daisy voted Sig kind of late in the day, but the votes between Neon and Sig were staying really close. I don’t think if they were a team, that there was any need for her to bus him, she could still have put her vote on Neon, or just conveniently missed the vote. I could be wrong, it’s just a gut feeling so far.

I just looked she voted @4 hours before EOD.

As I said, tilting at windmills, Don Quixote for the win. But her actual vote post, and her post setting her vote up for either Dennis or Neon, that feels more bad to me than Neons Wilgy Wagon with sig. Could be wrong.

Waiting for Daisy

@Neon, and you didn't like it when I voted for you, either, so

I just think those posts of hers look bad as all hell. Giving herself room to go either way. We have a day left in day, maybe she'll spank me and make me look like a fool.

I'm going to vote Daisy now, Neon sounds very sincere. Since this seems to be my windmill to tilt at, I presume Daisy will be back sometime before EOD, because I dislike voting for people not here to defend.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

She's waffling all over the place.

So this plan allows us to still discuss suspicions, right?

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:06 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:54 pm
I’ll dig it up this weekend. It involves dried cranberries and orange liqueur to rehydrate the berries. OMFG it’s awesome. She also made it with dried cherries and Cherry Kijafa.
Orange and cranberry are one of my favorite flavor combinations.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:58 pm And what, pray tell, did you have for dessert??
ice cream actually. Mint chocolate Viennetta.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:17 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:26 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:37 pm Spacedaisy didn't vote either cake OR pie
Alas, I made the dreadful mistake of eating dinner and spending time with my husband before finishing my catch up.
Nevermind spacedaisy is bad for maintaining real life relationships and not putting our poll about cake and pie first
Sound logic. [VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:58 am Sherry, I’m sorry to hear your news. My condolences to you and your family.
Proud slanker here. I’m usually pretty quiet during the first two days, but by day 3, I never seem to stop talking.
I’ve played maybe 7 games in the last 6 years that are not classic games, and it still blows my mind the way people throw votes out so early on day 1. I understand that sometimes the votes are just a way to engage a player and get them to talk, but sometimes it’s not. So I’m going to ask a question (hypothetical situation, actually) and I would really like to hear ppl’s thoughts about it. I understand though, if you would prefer not to discuss this, as it might interfere with your personal strategy. Ok, here goes:

The hosts post that there has been a lice outbreak in the nursery/playroom, and everyone has to go home for the day so the room can be decontaminated. Everyone has 1 hour to either vote or abstain. What would you do?

I’d really like to hear what people would do, but again, I understand if you prefer to keep your thought private.
I always struggle at the beginning of games and recently find it really difficult to stay engaged in games. It's why I don't play often anymore, so I feel you on the slanker thing. Also, this was the most creative GTH read request I've ever seen and I love it, lol.

I'm leaning sig or Neon atm.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:25 am You okay? Did you get lost during catch up!
Honestly, not all the great. While the situation with the original anxiety is mostly resolved and life isn't bad, there is a general malaise that hangs on at the moment. My hormones are probably being little bitches and fucking with me, honestly. Also, the Friday-Monday time frame tends to be when I am doing the most work. I've been pretty buried in work files the last couple days. So it's a little of this, little of that. But it's not a great excuse, because it's unfair to the other players and hosts. Sorry.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 am
See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Mind meld on this one.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pm
See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Hmm... This is a good observation.
Mind meld.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pm
Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Mind meld.

Ok so...

MacDougall is my only solid town read atm. That thing he pulled where he put out fake reads to see the reactions is a frequent town maneuver that I've noticed him doing.

I didn't think anything of the supposed slip that Kate was talking about. However, I do think what Neon said is sus. This combined with the fact that sig seemed like he was poking around trying to see what would stick. My only fear here is that sig has frequently got yeeted day 1 over the years for being weird. But I'm going to go with my gut here because he's the one I feel the most scum lean on. Instead of scum hunting, it felt like he spent the day throwing spaghetti at the wall and discrediting Kate for what looked to me like a normal read progression.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine
This alone makes Daisy someone who doesn't need to be resolved til lylo.

Why bus your hyperposting wolf teammate here instead of simply voting for Neon. Sig would have also made more of attempt to antispew off this specific vote if it was a bus imo.

I think Falcon's move to Neon and Neon's move to Wilgy make the wolf one of them tbh.

But her vote was six hours before the poll ended? Hrmm. Had he already taken alot of votes by then? I was AFK until the last hour. Even that post is pretty waffly, "Yeah, he's bad... but he gets miselimmed alot ... Neon is also kinda sus"

But you're probably right, and I'm just obsessing on that one waffle.

I didn't think anything of the supposed slip that Kate was talking about. However, I do think what Neon said is sus. This combined with the fact that sig seemed like he was poking around trying to see what would stick. My only fear here is that sig has frequently got yeeted day 1 over the years for being weird

is pretty waffleicious. It gives her room to vote Neon if she makes it back.

I could also be paranoid with only one wolf out there.

I'm looking for reasons to not vote Neon, since right up to the end she looked civ to me. But that wanna be Wilgy wagon. Yeah.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?
So what are your actual reads then?

If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy
My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.

People I'm Not voting for:

Wilgy, Dennis, Mac, Six

People I Would Need convincing to vote for:

Falcon and Now (ALL NEW!) Matahari

People I could consider pending input:

Daisy, that one post was so well crafted to leave her options open.

And I already voted for Neon, but I'm not married to that. I felt good about her until the end of the day, and the way she went for Dennis overnight. I have to read her and Macs interactions. Also sig interactions, I started doing that this AM, but never finished becasue work (boo hiss).

What are you seeing about Daisy that I am not? That one post I quoted earlier, about Neon and Dennis ... that keeps poking at the back of my mind.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:54 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:23 pm *You* meaning Matahari, not Falcon. I meant to quote her original post and got a reply instead.

@Matahari I replied to you ^^ previous post to this.
Thank you, I read it.
Which game was LGM?

Lawyers Guns and Money, G Mans game. Wasn't that the one you were bad in?

*You* meaning Matahari, not Falcon. I meant to quote her original post and got a reply instead.

@Matahari I replied to you ^^ previous post to this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:39 am
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:36 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 am
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Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:36 pm

Would be good though.
Yeah but I'd also have to go live in ISOs and I do not desire to do that.

I probably talked about it when it happened.

If I didn't than like *shrugs* sometimes I don't want to reveal my hand
It isn't helpful to town cohesiveness to be so vehemetly dismissive of a polite request without at least stating why.
*shrugs*
All righty then.

Look, Neon. I was trying to find common ground with you because I found you towny earlier; in my vote post, that's why I voted for sig, not you. But I found it hard to move past your joining sig on his last minute Wilgy Wagon attempt. I have more reasons for thinking many here are good rather than bad. I was hoping we could find some common ground., so i asked you why you townread the two people I am conflicted on.

I was hoping to understand your position, and also help to inform my own, not force you to do something you loathe.

I wish every game had only 11 people in it, lol. And that I know most of them well enough, and there isn't anyone I've never played with, it's so much easier to have actual opinions.

This is where I'm at,

Dennis- town
Dr Wigly- town
falcon45ca- lean town
MacDougall- Town
Matahari- leans someway, could be that I am always paranoid of Matahari. It's not that I disagreed with much of what she's said (and whether or not someone agrees with me isn't AI), it's that I don't particularly understand it. Like this vote post,

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine
Neon- lean bad
SixStrings-lean town, but not for reasons of anything he's done. I doubt anyone busses their wife, who is their only teammate, in a game she loves, when they themselves are not very invested. This would not end well for him.
Spacedaisy-leans ???; very smooth well crafted posts. Daisy always feels level and even to me. I will say in rereading her, this felt very wiggly to me, almost as if she was positioning herself to justify a vote for either Neon or Dennis with this post, depending on how the thread played out.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:06 pm
I feel like there was something between Neon and Dennis that felt off to me, but I can’t remember what. I’ll try to go back to find that after I get done working. I may or may not be back in today, Monday is the day I try to stuff in as much work as I can because it’s the last day of the pay period. I make no promises about my involvement in Tuesday afternoon.

@DrWilgy also questioned this post of mine and I didn’t have time last night to address it, but I was going to answer him today, so this is for both of you and anyone else who might have wondered what I meant. When I’m looking at possible suspects, I try to see if their interactions with other players seem suspicious (I used to call it ‘making connections’ but it’s basically what everyone does when they read interactions between players. So I make lists of possible teams and this is what I came up with:

Sig/Neon
Sig/Wilgy or Falcon (Wilgy because his questioning of Sig seemed softball; but possibly he is just very polite, and Falcon because he early voted Sig, but changed to Neon later without much explanation.

Neon /Sig
Neon/Dennis (early on, I thought her weak case on Dennis could have been an attempt to distance.
Neon/Wilgy or falcon (again, it was early on and I changed my mind throughout the day
Neon/Mac- this was a stretch, and added on later in the day when I briefly thought maybe they had been working together and then suddenly both started backing off Sig like they didn’t want to be associated with a possible towny Sig getting lynched on day 1?? This was definitely a stretch, but I’ve seen wolf teams pull off some weird stuff before. Anyway that suspicion was fairly brief.
I had hoped this list might give me a stronger feeling about whether Sig or Neon was bad, or both of them. I ultimately decided that they were a probable team. That is not how I feel today though. I’m waiting for Mac to post his detailed reasoning for his actions yesterday (he said he was going to do this) because Sig/Mac could also be a possibility.
I hope this wasn’t confusing, I’m an over thinker for sure. I’ll try to post more throughout the day but it’s difficult because I’m babysitting.

Interesting...doesn't like that, tho I sussed Sig, I moved on to Neon...whom he has as a SR it would seem for the entire day, and even has them as a neon/sig w! team

Hypocrisy is often towny, but this also is just gross

OK I get it, this is not unlike Rondos "What If" exercises. What if X & Y were teammates, how would this affect your read on Z, kinda thing.

I need to read not just skim you, but as you know you always make me a pit paranoid as you tend to read deeper into things, so it can be hard to tell for me. Although I did figure it out in LGM, and you really don't look much like that here.

Also re low posters, with the exception of Six, the two people I’m not sure about happen to be low posters, so I’m with you there.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:11 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:28 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:49 pm Why would he kill you? You are a necessary miselim?
Because I'm tunneled and I intentionally was trying to make it look like a tunnel I'd never leave to scare him into killing me.

Like Dennis is new. And alone now right.

Nobody is holding his hand telling him who to kill
I don't think Dennis would need his hand held, EXCEPT in the case of who was killed last night. I could 100% visualize Dennis with teammates killing Kate, since there would have been a group discussion around it. I am not so sure I see solo baddie Dennis NKing a Kate who is stalwartly defending him.
Yes this is basically what I said like literally right before this

I didn’t say otherwise. I was just commenting.

And you don’t want to read isos, I don’t want to go read other games. Post count doesn’t mean you’re town.

I’m not sure what this is about, and I’m sorry if I’ve offended you in some way. I’m just trying to engage with you because I could be wrong.

like I said, I thought you were town up to the point where you tried to form a third wagon with sig.

I would like to see what I’m missing that you are town reading the people I am not sure of. It’s gonna be a little hard because we’re basically trying to find a SK

No one has a teammate anymore, so reads can be a bit cleaner for town.

I’m gonna read the sig interactions today, it’s the only bread crumbs we’ll have.

Matahari always makes me feel like she is playing three dimensional chess, while I am playing checkers ha ha

When I say I don't understand what shes saying it isn't becasue it makes no sense, it's because of that ^^

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:49 pm Why would he kill you? You are a necessary miselim?
Because I'm tunneled and I intentionally was trying to make it look like a tunnel I'd never leave to scare him into killing me.

Like Dennis is new. And alone now right.

Nobody is holding his hand telling him who to kill

I don't think Dennis would need his hand held, EXCEPT in the case of who was killed last night. I could 100% visualize Dennis with teammates killing Kate, since there would have been a group discussion around it. I am not so sure I see solo baddie Dennis NKing a Kate who is stalwartly defending him.

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