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by S~V~S
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:21 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

juliets wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:32 am
S~V~S wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:24 am Who was Harbinger?
Dizzy but he didn't know it. LC forgot to tell him, lol, so as a ghost he thought I was bad and was trying to get me lynched.
Sorry I ghosted you (lol) it was frustrating being limited and there was some attitude in the thread I was in about ghost posting, so I just went full dead.
by S~V~S
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:20 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 4]

sprityo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:25 pm Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up :meany:

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person
Aw you think your victims should STFU and rest quietly? How cute, no such luck, look at my flip, I have a secondary role and never expire. Whoever killed me made a mistake cause I will never STFU. :cloud9:

I started reading and I don't agree with Jack, either. Sprit is bad and I'll make the multilinkular post in the AM.
by S~V~S
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:20 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 3]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:28 am
tedxtr wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:11 am Can someone explain the whole inception mechanic? We keep killing people until there’s 2 left or?
We’re here in the top layer.

There’s at least one more layer, I’d guess just one more based off player count.

Killing someone here kills them. “Killing” someone in the lower layer sends them to the top layer. Eventually the layers will merge back together.

Or that’s how it worked in the Inception game at least 🤷‍♀️
How do you know this is the top layer? Becasue we're still in the main thread? I did not play that one. If this is the case, I am guessing they send us sig. They get the same posts as we do, they know who died and got the Oracle reveal, I hope? Anyone know if, based on the original game, this would be the case?

The person I suspect the most is sprityo. Look at his ISO. His Nanook vote was awful, and after that lynch he just dropped his suspicion. He was going to be my reveal, but at the last second I switched it to sig becasue I KNEW DIZZY WAS RIGHT ABOUT HIM!!! I am kinda surprised I was NKed, though. I expected that I would be an easy lynch. Not sad I was NKed, I wasn't looking forward to a lynch fight, and I got to use my power.

Even though he "feels" civ to me, I have some grave reservations about Turnip Head. The whole thing that led me down the awful "Macs Progressions Seems Civ!" garden path was a post of theirs. Again, not a bad ISO to read.

Colin doesn't say much, and he was the person sprit was freaking out that Nanook suspected. BUT if we think sprit could be sigs partner, Colin might just be a red herring. [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] , who are your suspects in this thread? I don't (STILL) much remember any of your suspects. Maybe becasue we weren't in the thread together much. This smaller thread should give us better reads on at least this group.

Dom is so angry, I don't see him other than as a civ. Bad Dom is smoother, takes it less personally, his righteous indignation feels more stagey. But Dom fools me all the time. :shrug:

Epignosis feels pretty town to me, and I am not sure why. I am going to reread his this phase.

Jack I have complex feels about, his feel for me is civ, but his words all feel bad to me, lol. He is also a reread.

Based on how he came back, I would doubt Nanook is bad. The way he came into the thread,swinging, and the way he held onto his suspects, (me, Colin) all felt civ to me. I have not agreed with almost anything he has said all game, but that doesn't mean he's bad.

ted, I have VERY complex feels on. For themost part, he "feels" civ to me, although he has a similar tone to Radishes about how awesome he is at Mafia which I tend to view as bad. But I hate almost everything he has said after the first few (rl) days,look at this:

tedxtr wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 am After endless debates I have concluded that Dys' slip analysis isn't an actual thing. Also their G-Man read makes little to no sense, although I'd like them to elaborate on how G-man treating their slot was townie. Also, G-man didn't engage with you at all dizzy, he just said "night phase went well except for dys dying" and that's it. @Dyslexicon

People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.

Sig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

Also also, the "what is ted doing on g-man" when I haven't posted in like 24 hours or something is really bad. Especially when I don't remember juliets even saying anything about G-man, so why even say that?

I can follow sig's train of thought actually.

I'll probably look at TH's push on me at some point but it isn't on my priority list.
I could get behind a ted lynch as well. He seems to be falling back on G Man alot, which bizaarely makes me want to back off G Man. I have VERY complex feels on G Man, and am happy he is not in here, so i don't have to think about them, lol.

So my, "Probably Bad" list includes sprit, ted and TH in that order. Maybe Colin, but just maybe.

My i dunno list (bonus about being a dead civ, no one cares if I have null reads) is Dom, Epi, Jack.

I feel OK about Nanook, but that is mainly for mechanical reasons and tone, I could be wrong.

I'm gonna read tonight after work, and will prolly post again in the AM. Good Luck civvies :)

*Rattle Chains at Ghostie MacDougall*
by S~V~S
Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:14 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 3]

While I am glad Mac was bad, I think it's gonna be a tough row to hoe now to lynch sig, and I think Dizzys theory is 100% true. I think it would have been easier to lynch sig first, then Mac. But meh.

Manipulate away manipulators, last night was kinda demoralizing for me, I will be back after the night post, maybe even tomorrow AM.
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:03 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:01 pm
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:03 pm All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?
No, because we need leads and low mafia vote power and eliminating one scum team before starting on the other is the opposite.

We’re doing well enough that it doesn’t really matter but that’s my 2c.

I’m most comfortable with Sig being bad tomorrow regardless of Mac’s flip.
Yes I'm wrong, I'm aware lol.
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:35 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:31 pm
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:30 pm My radar is batting zero this game, walking away for tonight.
:huh: we don't even have a flip yet
I'm just super disappointed at the last minute vote change, I feel like I trusted someone I maybe shouldn't have, and I think we would have learned more from a sig lynch. I am getting lectured and my reads are shit, lol. I was really invested in this lynch and I guess I am just disappointed.
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:30 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

My radar is batting zero this game, walking away for tonight.
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:25 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

I can't believe I fell for that manipulative crap from G Man. I'm a fool.

@sig I changed my mind based on the reads May and Sloonei did and on Dizzys case. I still think it makes sense for you to be bad.
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 pm Mac currently leads by 1.
G Man moved his vote
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:16 pm With two mafia teams the numbers are inherently unfavorable to civilians -- even if one entire team is perfectly eliminated starting now, what would most likely remain is a bad matchup by the numbers against the other team. I think it's pretty moot anyhow given that the mafia must be found. I endorse lynching the top suspect regardless of the suspected team.
Sigh.

I was just trying to keep people from jumping ship and reassure people with vapors, not making a statement of mafia theory.

I will bbl before the end, someone was talking before about cfding Juliets of all people and I want to be around if that happens.
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:10 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

nutella wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:03 pm All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?
Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?
Yes, it does actually. That would perform the same basic function as eliminating them, since you could hunt for just one set of baddies, and the Masters would only be able to suspect civvies, which would make it harder to be them.

My point, though, was from the perspective of making the game easier to solve, having a one baddie team would be easier to solve, especially for the people who are mostly used to that kind of game. So a sig lynch ismore logical than a Mac lynch.
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:03 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:58 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

nutella wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:34 pm
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:12 am
Turnip Head wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am What if Dizzy's ghost was possessed by someone else tho
What Dizzy did was put together information that was available in the thread and put it together in a way that made sense. Dizzy did not info dump new information or tell us a tale using secret dead guy knowledge.

Plus as Jules says, there is no role for it. True there are secrets, but possessing a ghost to tell people info that is already in the thread to get sig lynched, well, they could just do that themselves. If Dizzy tried to push knowledge from the grave, I could totally be on board with this "possession" bit, but Dizzy did not do this.

A reread of you is part of my push to reassess my reads, and this post literally made my left eyebrow try to shoot into my hairline, lol. I might make a detour into Doms tunnel :ponder:
Uh I'm pretty sure that was just a joke? Not a reason to accuse TH of anything but being a sassy bitch tbh :beer:
Um yeah they already explained that earlier today, but thanks for pointing out my inability to grasp humor in this format :stare:
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:03 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

ColinIsCool wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:54 am
MacDougall wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:08 pm Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.
Agreed

Have you seen his baddie game? I have, often up close and personal.

This isn't it. This is more like his common town slank style play. He digs in end game when he's civ, he jumps in early moreso when he's bad.

This is fun watching the thread swing the opposite direction to last night. You guys :clap:
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:12 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Turnip Head wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am What if Dizzy's ghost was possessed by someone else tho
What Dizzy did was put together information that was available in the thread and put it together in a way that made sense. Dizzy did not info dump new information or tell us a tale using secret dead guy knowledge.

Plus as Jules says, there is no role for it. True there are secrets, but possessing a ghost to tell people info that is already in the thread to get sig lynched, well, they could just do that themselves. If Dizzy tried to push knowledge from the grave, I could totally be on board with this "possession" bit, but Dizzy did not do this.

A reread of you is part of my push to reassess my reads, and this post literally made my left eyebrow try to shoot into my hairline, lol. I might make a detour into Doms tunnel :ponder:
by S~V~S
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:08 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

It seems I am very rusty,looking at my earlier GTH list, after reading last nights conversation, it sucks lolol.

I will redo one tonight, maybe doing in thread GTH reads might be a good exercise if lots of us are here?

[mention]G-Man[/mention] what are your thoughts on sig and Mac, and TSP and ted if you have caught up to last nights discussion?
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:04 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:00 pm I’m telling you both to shut up tbf

Not even in general just this back and forth is no longer productive

Talk about literally anything that isn’t yelling at each other lol
This is exactly how I felt when I was six and my parents were ramping up to divorcing.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:48 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

I'm gonna go eat dinner and watch election results with my politics people. [mention]Dom[/mention] walk away for now and watch politics, much less divisive :P
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:56 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

I am gonna move my vote to sig, I am sad, I really thought you were a town lock but this all looks pretty damn bad :stare:

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

We're still a day away from EOD, but this seems like a solid vote.

@Dom <3
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:26 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Not only can you pull up quotes, but you seem able to format them.

You were not making it sound like workshopping.
sig wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:21 pm @sig I don't care about any of the stuff you're talking about. Talk about why you came out of "baddie-gate" with a scum read on nanook and absolutely no read on Radishes.

Nanook came out way to defensive seemed like a teammate overreacting to a mafia member being targeted.

It was cleared up nobody else took it seriously so it reset my reads. Keep in mind I already had a scum read on Nanook when that happened so it reset them and my read on Nanook was still there.
Again, so why not go for the Mafia Member you felt he was overreacting about? Why not *both* of them? You just focused in on Nanook.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Everyone who suspects you is a Mac teammate, sig? Why did you go for Nanook rather than Radishes, the one supposed to have slipped, during Baddiegate?
sig wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:02 pm Don't have much time right now just popping in, but that's very lame there was no night kill, which added into my idea.

Also trying to say I knew since I was on team is a cornering move especially in a game with no infodumping. :shrug:
Who said it was info? You?

Linki [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] self targeting is allowed, yes? But yeah.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:31 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

nutella wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:28 pm I feel pretty meh on sprit though. I don't think his nanook vote was nearly as bad as you seem to think, but I think his Mac vote was really bad.
I'm metagaming a bit here, I find it very unlikely that Nanook came back bad because I think a bad team would have recruited a replacement if the null role was bad between Monday when the roles went out and Friday when Nanook came in. I think his "OMG Nanook voted for Colin" outrage was fauxrage. I hated that vote tbh.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:27 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

nutella wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:25 pm Well ok. It just really sounded like you were going along with dizzy but I guess you're not ready to commit
I totally think Dizzy is right; but I want to give sig the courtesy of letting him reply to my question about radishes. I had already voice my sprit suspish yesterday, so it is not news to him.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:24 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

...which I clearly said in the post?
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:24 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Uh what? Temp vote on my second suspect until sig answers questions.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Thank you amazing deceased person! You tied it all together really nicely, I knew the whole thing sounded way too specific, like 3-4 different things had to happen for it to work out.

I would still like to wait to hear what sig has to say about all of this. I also want to hear his answer to why he went after Nanook rather than Radishes during Baddiegate.

As I said I will not be around much tonight, so I am going to drop a “for now” vote onto sprit, I think his Nanook vote was sooo bad, and his response to the suspish was underwhelming. But moving to sig, pending his responses, is definitely do-able.

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

linki, I suck at this game cause all my top town reads are looking bad, and my bad suspects are looking town lolol.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:11 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:47 am
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:43 am
sig wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:40 pm @S~V~S

If you had to quantify it what percent would you say Mac is probably civ?
I am not sure what you are asking me. There are only a few people that I think are more than (random percentage) 65% likely to be civ, and Mac isn't one of them.

But based on my reread of his Day One, I read his posts as a natural progression when taken in context. I have no idea why anyone whould try to NK him Night One, so I think the theory positing a specific sequence of events which make Mac bad is faulty for that reason. It is possible, but I don't find it likely.

So I personally am unlikley to vote for him today.

I wanted to ask you a question too. When I asked Badishes about "baddie", both you and Nanook thought I was implying a slip on Radishes part.

Why did you go after Nanook so hard, but not Radishes?
Can you explain the “natural progression” you saw? Because my D1 Mac read is the opposite. He flipped his reads on Nutella and me with seemingly no progression at all.
This is the post where I discussed my view on Macs nutella suspicion. You may or may not value it, though, as it starts based on a thought TH brought up, and I know you suspect him. I spoilered it, it's a big post.

Re G-Man and the manipulation, duh. Of course manipulation is the name of the game, but that post was hard and heavy, and I don't know that I see it coming from G Man, becasue he knows me well enough to know that I would possibly be "reality" upset by it. G Man is like Golden, in that some things are not in his personal ethical playbook. So I will not activbely work against his lynch, cause otherwise he looks bad as all fuck, but I won't be voting for him.

Re Discord, maybe I will try it again. I never really liked since since I have a tad bit of social anxiety, and the times I went it was SO MANY people, and many of them were using names I did not know them by, so they felt like strangers, etc.

Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:22 am
Turnip Head wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways
I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.
Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.
I like this post, it makes sense to me. I had not seen it this way, I missed his "Nutella is town" posts.

This was Tuesday night,
MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:08 am Nutella is town
This was Weds night,

MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.
And this one, about an hour after ^^ he started to change mind, you can almost see it.
MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:48 pm
nutella wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.
You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man
You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.
Then his next post, he made up his mind.
MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:54 pm
nutella wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:48 pm
nutella wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.
You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man
You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.
Did you like even read his posts tho. He's wrong and he even said he might be at first, then he doubled down.

I'm not a wolf. Use your own brain, not Jack's.
So he had a little doubt at first as is normal and then soul read you the way that he always does when he's right about you... noted.
This looks very much like a civ minded progression, it looks honest and real, not contrived and set up.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:01 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246687

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:40 am
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:33 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
And you think this person is me? Pray tell why.
You’re my stall vote before I get my computer out to do the work. I’m trying to figure out why I read you as town you on day 1. Realistically, you’re fifth suspect on the list but you’re first suspect for being on the team we need to kill someone on.
I look forward to hearing your reasoning.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:33 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
And you think this person is me? Pray tell why.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:14 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

G-Man wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:11 am Oh S~V~S- your last post clarified something for me. Thank you. I have been wondering what ATE meant, as people have been using that acronym in respect to my big post.

But it wasn’t an appeal to emotion in order to take heat off of me. It was just me being honest with you all. I’m still skimming and skipping around to keep pace. I’m fine with being lynched if you all still think I’m shady. If you choose to go elsewhere, just know that my outlook and availability isn’t going to change.

I would hate myself for trying to use a post like that for emotional manipulation. When I’m bad, I’m chaotic evil. When I’m good, I’m more like chaotic neutral. I’m really more like Caesar Romero’s Joker than Heath Ledger’s.
Thank You! This is what I thought (and again, if you are tricking me, you will hear stern words post game, lol). I could not envision a world where baddie G Man would use manipulation to that extent. Becasue really, your vote in the last lynch looks like shit :noble:
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:08 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

nutella wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:14 am
sig wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:07 am Even tying me to Radish is fundamentally a flawed thing since the vast movement on him was the day when I couldn't contribute.

Also nah Mac's gotta go, his flip to lynch me after civ reading me just further cements my read here.
Nah Radish was a major thing on d1 as well. My point was that he was absolutely a more realistic d1 push than nanook, yet you firmly pushed for nanook and largely ignored the common sentiments against Radish.
I see someone already brought this up. His Nanook suspicion, which he had time to push, grew out of a situation where he thought I was tying Badishes and Nanook together (for someone who gets accused of over explaining and TMI all the time, I sure make a lot of unclear easily misinterpreted statements, lol).

Tonight is Super Tuesday, and I am a ludicrous politics junkie, so I will likely be scarce tonight, but will make efforts to pop in, as I will during work today.

linki [mention]Dom[/mention] so I am reading this as you think he's being manipulative? I am not so sure. I am going to sit on it for now and think about it.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:56 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

ebwop, if he had not made that post, I would have voted for him already, tbh.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:54 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Dom wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:25 pm
Dom wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go? :shrug:
How does one do that exactly?
...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

If one is not on one of the two baddie teams .... they're a civ (or the other indy role), right? I think the best reason to rule someone out is becasue they are not on one of the two baddie teams.

I have a question for you, this post of G Mans, this large appeal to emotion:
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G-Man wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:15 pm Okay, if we’re going to wander down this cocksure ‘G-Man is totes bad’ road to disappointment, then I request that:

1) Someone kill me tonight.

2) Lynch me Day 3.

I’m overwhelmed by the sheer volume of posts. The only reads I have are on players that I think I know well enough, which comes to about seven or eight people. That’s not enough to do the town any good. I’m going to continue to be of little use to the civvies, because all I can muster at this rate is skimming at best. Even that involves skipping large chunks of posts that are about people I’m clueless of.

I admit to being overwhelmed and yet I refuse to sub out. With this much suspicion brewing around me, it’s not fair to ask someone else to come in and wait to die. So that’s not happening. Lynch me and use my lynch for information. We just caught a baddie on Day 2. That gives us a chance to calm down, make a mistake, and be thoughtful and intentional about learning something from it.

As much as I love our hosts, I recognized too late that joining this game was a mistake. There are too many players with too similar personalities making too many posts. Too many of you just blend together in my head. That’s not just this game though- it every game that’s not a Heist. Heck, sometimes even Heists are too much for me. That’s why you don’t see a ‘Best Civ’ or ‘MVP’ Socky in my treasure chest and never will.

After this game, I’m sticking to Heists and hosting. I’m excited about the next game I plan to host. Perhaps that’s where my strengths are. They’re certainly not here.

I don’t want to fight. I don’t want to insult people in the process of trying to convince you I am civ. Let my death convince you of that. If you see me, I’m not lurking; I’m just trying to tread water as best I can.

Thank you and good night.
It worked, becasue I felt like a very bad person for suspecting him.

My question is this; do YOU think G Man would make this post from aplace of manipulation, rather than realsies? I am tending to think the latter, but I am asking you this specifically becasue your interaction with him irl is similar to mine. G Mans baddie game does not involvoe this level of manipulation, imo. I don't see hm doing it.

But all the thread, all my feels up to this point, the vote analyses ... I dunno.
by S~V~S
Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:43 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

sig wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:40 pm @S~V~S

If you had to quantify it what percent would you say Mac is probably civ?
I am not sure what you are asking me. There are only a few people that I think are more than (random percentage) 65% likely to be civ, and Mac isn't one of them.

But based on my reread of his Day One, I read his posts as a natural progression when taken in context. I have no idea why anyone whould try to NK him Night One, so I think the theory positing a specific sequence of events which make Mac bad is faulty for that reason. It is possible, but I don't find it likely.

So I personally am unlikley to vote for him today.

I wanted to ask you a question too. When I asked Badishes about "baddie", both you and Nanook thought I was implying a slip on Radishes part.

Why did you go after Nanook so hard, but not Radishes?
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

There is a civ that can't be nked and two protection roles, Aja and Lassie.
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:02 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

nutella wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:57 pm
S~V~S wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.
Basically saitama has a one time janitor (hides flip) which was clearly used on dizzy (otherwise default is roles flip, i know yours not used to that). The theory is mac is saitama and used his one time ability bc he is in danger of being lynched. And it just adds to sig's pre-existing theory that Mac one-posted him.
Thank you. But not sure how this fingers Mac specifically but at least I don't feel like you all are speaking a foreign language now.

Linki Jules, thank you also. It was like being surrounded by people speaking Estonian lol
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:56 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

@sig you saw my post, please can you explain how this night result proves any specific person bad?

I don't know what any of you are talking about.

Linki @ nutella I did read it if I don't know what a janitor is that doesn't help me lol
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:24 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]

Bye Dyslexicon, and bye sabie ( but good riddance Fester)
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:04 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

Hit the wrong button.

When I was in third grade I got sent to the principal for calling my teacher a "harridan" lolol
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:02 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:56 pm Old people say, "by cracky" and wave their came at you, don't we, Epi?
I was literally told off by teachers in high school because they thought I used too many archaic words. To show off or something. But I was just born an old lady. :scared:
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:56 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

Old people say, "by cracky" and wave their came at you, don't we, Epi?
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:02 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

sig wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:33 pm

Linki: I think we should pursue obvious links to Radish, but be spending most of the next phase trying to hunt the other team and preferably have one of them as a counterwagon. Usually if you eliminate one team the other doesn't inherit the kill so as long as we don't ignore them I'd say full steam on Radish peeps.
Had something changed? In the past the kill WAS inherited. Is that no longer the norm?

Linki @ jay, that could be because Nanook 1 thought the baddie slip business was lame, and that colored his thoughts.
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:13 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

See ya, I'm gonna go watch TV
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:12 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

Slooneis post jogged my memory so I asked it. Even if this had not been thecase, I really fail to see how asking someone this question makes *ME* bad.
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:11 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:59 pm Speaking of, I will do that ISO of SVS some time, with an open mind.
But I recall one thing that bothered me in the first place. It was how when she asked Radish about the "baddie" word, and Sig ran away with it, she said that she didn't think it was a slip at all. And it was really strange to me then why she bothered to ask. I guess she was just "making conversation", but that also seems kind of weird to me. Also, iirc, she kind of disappeared a bit, or at least let Sig take over after she brought it up. It just left me feel one type of way.

SVS probably think I'm like full on scum reading her, for all the "shade" I'm throwing. But that's really not the case. There's just something in the back of my mind that irks me.
I have repeatedly said, both to you and radishes, that right before I said it someone was quizzing radishes on his mafia background, where he played, etc. So I chimed in since I was curious where he had heard this term.

This post was two posts before mine.
Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:43 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:32 pm
sig wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:28 pm Can anyone give me a run down of Radishes Meta?
I have never played with Radishes. He played in Inception, and apparently was MU tournament finalist a hundred years ago with jay. So my assumption is he knows the ropes.

@Master Radishes what can you tell us about your approach to mafia games?
I'm really the wrong person to say. In my mind I'm like a chimera, made up of many different mafia personas I can whip out as need be. My friends who play the most with me will laugh in my face and say differently.
Where have you played and what types of games are you used to, in terms of setup, style, pace, etc.?
by S~V~S
Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:09 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

sabie12 wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:51 pm
tedxtr wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:12 pm I'm like 80% sure sabie flips scum, and it's not only because of the wall I've made but that's pretty fabulous. I've taken into account her surgery and this is why I'm currently not haphazardly pushing her to reply to my post, I'm sure she will, I'll give her the time she needs.

I do have one question, nutella, do you have a history of correctly reading sabie? Any reason why she would fear you if she were scum? stuff like that
Ohhhhh ted I haven't gotten to your tldr post yet I'm at work but I'm checking in here and there. Are we going to go through this whole thing a third time? Where you accuse me of being scummy because you don't understand the way I play and then mansplain how I should be playing and then you find out you were wrong about me and then I help win the game. It's always so fun
This is a wee bit more aggro than I recall from sabie. I guess I will spend some quality time this PM reading her to see if I think this post comes from a place of genuine righteous indignation, or if it comes from a baddie trying to shame an especially persistent questioner into backing off.
G-Man wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:25 pm Ok now I feel bad cause I'm the one who coaxed him into the game. Blah.
Oh, don’t feel too bad. I’m still the knucklehead who voted ‘yes.’

So who should I target tonight? I’m not dead yet, after all.
If you have a good power, me for making me feel guilty :pout:
If you have a bad power, someone else, lol.

Who do you think is a civ and what does your analysis tell you about last nights wagons?

And if you are bad after that post, I am gonna be mad at you for such a blatant ATE, but I will also be proud of you becasue I don't see you doing that if bad. Too much guilt.
by S~V~S
Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:25 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

Ok now I feel bad cause I'm the one who coaxed him into the game. Blah.

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