The Syndicate

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:24 pm Holy cow! I’m a big fan of you all, even though some of you are dirty dirty parallel universe jumpers. But that’s ok! We’re gonna figure this out together!

Hey @Neon, i’m not great at meta, but dont you usually snap vote in lylo or am I misremembering? (Also love your shoes! <3)

I do usually snap vote in exelo if I'm certain in my vote and know it won't change and usually I'm comfortable by this state in a game but I'm just not right now.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:21 pm HI EVERYONE! LYLO? MORE LIKE LYLOVE AMIRITE

Lylove for sure!
Do you see it now?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:58 pm The kills are pretty easy fmpov to see as kills being made specifically to operate around me (except WWA obvs). Scotty viewing them the way he is makes me want to flip out at him but the confbias is coming off kind of legit and the way he's just like nah dog I'm rly town here to Wilgy is pretty fire. So I guess I'm gonna just hope he hasn't inversely pocketed me.

Scotty, you looked at nka and made a bigger point about Nutella and TSP sussing me than you did about the fact that TSP was literally sheeping my vote as his top town and Nutella died with me lock clear. Look at the period where Nutella and I mind melded onto the Kate/SVS suspicion together and I think you'll struggle to see me as mafia. I'll pull up a starting point for you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:55 pm Fwiw I'm fairly confident if I'm wrong about Kate/SVS w/w that Neon is actually mafia so my vote being here suits me fine. If I'm wrong about Kate/SVS w/w then Neon is the only player that makes sense to be mafia and one of them being mafia pocketing the other one and Neon being mafia makes sense.

Lily would be a Neon kill for instance. SVS/Neon would kill TSP etc. Neon has runs on the board when it comes to pocketing me and not just auto resolving me. Neon also has had a decided lack of aggressive reads they've pursued in this game.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:47 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:23 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:59 pm I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

Also no: screw that.

I have fresh eyes for the thread and I’ve done some actual catching up with this game at this point so to say that I’ve missed a ton and to wave me off without explanation is a bit disingenuous

*why* am I wrong on Mac?

I doubt I will have the time to make a comprehensive post before eod but
1) I dont think mac kills lily n1 like that after her sr on him
2) and then also kill everyone who has tr'd him all game
3) and then also killed tsp when wilgy specifically made a fuss about their pairing yesterday without appealing to wilgy, which he did not do
4) I considered the pyxxy vote maybe being a bus but waiting until last minute and doing it last second only because wilgy made his vote doesnt sound or feel like a bus. He also didnt really defend pyxxy but was pushing worlds outside of the immediate one that lead him to believe pyxxy was likely not wolfing and while I surely was not convinced, I can see how mac organically came to that conclusion. But mac WAS going to kill wilgy and he 100% coupe have left his vote there and the decision to see what wilgy had done as towny and lest second switch doesnt feel like a lazy "eh whatever I'll bury my teammate I guess" that I see with busses a lot
5) in light of the threadstate day 3, I think mac being the biggest contributor to a discussion outside of wwa and evaluating slots that I think would have had little to no pressure on them otherwise is towny and not how you see it - based on what you've said it seems you feel like he was opportunistically preparing to push other worlds. In that moment of the game it is extremely towny to postulate on further solves. Which is why I said that in isolate I see what you are seeing but if you didnt read entire days (honestly wouldnt expect you to) then you wouldn't see how what he said was at odds in a beneficial way to town at the time

Hope that makes sense

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:44 pm Aight Scotty you've arrived at the wrong conclusion so let's see if you're genuine.

I'm not with Wilgy, Kate or SVS for very level 1 reasons.

So is my partner the polarised Porscha or Neon who bussed Pyxxy while I tried to save Pyxxy?

Neon right?

Okay.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:59 pm I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:59 pm I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

Please do further expand on how killing TSP was designed for you to push towards mac. I don’t even think I remember Kate going there, just SVS and now me.

one of the key points during my vca from the last cycle was 1 in TSP/Mac.

This was to the point where I wanted to solve in SVS/TSP yesterday (unfortunately we decided that was dumb and that I'm a silly billy).

By eliminating TSP and advising suspicions of Mac, it would reinforce the now defunct, but still previously alive, VCA.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:15 pm Y’all do realize if we’re lying about this for one game, where it has become a point of contention, no one would ever listen to our reads on each other again?

Kate is more competitive than I, and has more win drive than I do. But I doubt she’d risk the long term value of this to win one game. I know I wouldn’t. I was practically crying to Seanzie on our evil chat in GOC cause I thought she was mad at me ha ha

Wilgy -> Kate, Falcon
Kate -> Wilgy
Mac -> Lily
Nutella -> Rondo, Mac, TSP
Rondo -> SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie -> WWA
NOT VOTING -> Pyxxy, Neon, Porscha

Falcon -> WWA, Nutella, Seanzie, Pyxxy, DrWIlgy
Kate -> Mac, TSP
Neon -> Kate, Porscha, SVS
Pyxxy -> Neon
TSP -> Falcon
WWA -> Dennis

DrWilgy -> TSP
Pyxxy -> Mac, Kate, Neon, Porscha, WWA
TSP -> Seanzie, Pyxxy
WWA -> SVS, DrWilgy
NOT VOTING -> Dennis

Dennis -> Neon, TSP, Mac
DrWilgy -> Dennis, Seanzie, Kate
Neon -> SVS
Seanzie -> DrWilgy
NOT VOTING -> Porscha

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:28 am My deeper concern with this threadstate is that if Kate is town, I think regardless of order there's a high probability we lose.

If Kate and SVSs suspicion of me is at least 1 part genuine and followed I get flipped.

If Mac/Porscha and I have another part that is genuine in our suspicion of Kate and we follow through Kate gets flipped.

Both of these things can happen independently of when they occur.

Normally I think in this scenario I'd opt for self resolution, but I'm unsure if I can trust the town on Kate's flip, much less, trust myself on Kate's flip.

I know it's a lot of words, but this could be simply "I'm terrified that I'm wrong on Kate now, the AtE is working and now my tinfoil is massive."

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:03 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:42 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:44 pm Also at Scotty, you’ve hosted us as civs twice and saw our dynamic up close.

I am disappoint

Playing the ‘you should remember how we’ve played before’ card doesn’t work on me, David Blaine.

My detailic memory is shit and I’m spacing on that.

Regardless, I’m looking at vote sampling and my vote sampling tells me one of you or mac is bad from the D1, unless all mafia were Mia.

Interesting. that's part of why I voted like I did today. And I don't know about your memory, you always seem pretty on the ball that way to me

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:44 pm Also at Scotty, you’ve hosted us as civs twice and saw our dynamic up close.

I am disappoint

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:58 pm Alright I'm so frustrated right now, especially after losing my post. I'm getting ready to scream. Lol. Well lynch svs and when she flips civ, I sure hope you lynch wilgy tomorrow. We do think there is at least one more day? Correct?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:19 pm It was worse than rand. Because I voted Wilgy he actually ended up 3-2 briefly due to me switching my vote from Dennis to Wilgy. He nearly outright killed himself.

Yes, again he NEARLY DID, BUT he did not. He didn't know you were going to move if youre town. And how is killing oneself townie anyway when he claimed he though Dennis was bad?? Please tell me how that makes any sense.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:35 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:31 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:26 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:22 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:13 pm 7 left... Likely 5 v 2... Next phase 3 v 2...

I could slank longer...

:really:

already preflipping are we wilgy?!?!? that's not very poggers threadstate of you!!!

Why not lol

I'm basically preflipping myself there as... Well again. My agency is like 2 whole penguins. Normally people are at 6 penguins and a bean casserole.

WE SHOULD ALL FIGHT UNTIL THE BITTER END!!! THEN WE MAY LOOK BACK ON OUR LIVES KNOWING WE DID ALL WE COULD, EVEN WHEN IT ALL CAME CRASHING DOWN!! WE MUST LIVE OUR LIVES WITH NO REGRETS!!!

also why is your agency only 2 penguins? why does it feel like you're giving up??? YOU WOULDN'T FAKE PREFLIP YOURSELF AS IF YOU WERE TOWN TO GUILT TRIP ME WOULD YOU?

and for the record, my agency does not include bean casseroles. me and beans aren't friends. my agency is 6 penguins and a bagel.

Aye, idk. Just a vibe this game.

I spent a lot of time on the theory "can I express thoughts using limited vernacular and solve via VCA alone as I think I'm improving at it" for that I have negative momentum.

Yes I would, but that's not happening here. If anything that has evidence of me nearly dying yesterday.

May I eat the leftover casserole then?

The casserole is all yours!! And half the reason you almost died was because of yourself!!! I do not know what to do with this limp wilgy!!! but I hope the casserole cheers you up and doesnt give you a tummy ache!!!!

idk how I feel about people talking about my limp wilgy

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:24 pm

Actual footage of Kate this phase

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:36 pm Well Nutella and Dennis. Two dead town. Conspired to deduce Kate had green checked Nutella due to a post in which Kate cryptically stated "I feel like we should be listening to Nutella. Does anyone else feel that way?"

Pyxxy reacted there like the possibility could have been there.

I never said they conspired. I got brought into this weird scenario bc nutella seemed very civ and genuine to me and I said, maybe let's trust nutella. Dennis took thelat to kean I was hinting that I was a goofy cop. Nutella agree and accepted the green check. As soon as I read this, I clarified that I had no goofy info, just revised my read on nutella.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:53 pm Riddle me this: how does Porscha have 218 posts and only voted in 2/4 days?

Show me a single Porscha wolf rand where she made 218 posts.

I don’t know Porscha’s wolf meta. I don’t usually deal with metas or remember them.

So you’re saying she’s volume cleared?

I have played a lot with her and I've never seen her break her meta like this. @Neon very much should share this read.

I've been hard defending Porscha basically all game on meta yes.

Though I admit as time passes I grow more wary.