The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:04 pm Sorry, I shoulda let him keep playing

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:06 pm I wasn't a fan of some of the stuff that happened but I like Ted wasn't really properly engaged and once everyone started civ reading me for no good reason that kinda killed it for me.

I do want it noted that Marmot tried to get me lynched so shame on him.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:06 pm I wasn't a fan of some of the stuff that happened but I like Ted wasn't really properly engaged and once everyone started civ reading me for no good reason that kinda killed it for me.

I do want it noted that Marmot tried to get me lynched so shame on him.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:51 pm Suggestion for sitewide standard definition of what's angleshooting, OGI, punishment, compensation, etc

Open-ended community discussion. I propose a sitewide standard set of rules that should be applied to all games by default. These rules ought to be linked by every host in their game, both in the sign-up thread and in the OP of the thread. Hosts should have the right to remove/add/change any of these rules, but they need to be explicit and specific.

Please, give your thoughts, suggestions, concerns, etc:

Here are my suggestions:

"Angleshooting" is the act of doing something unsportsmanlike. An angleshot/dirty/OGI read or speculation is something that you have acquired outside from the in-game mafia thread from all the players, in the way the game is supposed to be played, but in another way, outside from the game thread and/or from the host.

-You should not mention that you have angleshooty/OGI reads. You should never mention the word "angleshoot" in a post period. If you attain one, make up another reason to justify the read or speculation, something that's tied to in-game stuff that other people can engage with. If you claim that "I have a dirty read on X and I can't say why" - nobody can engage with this, and I don't believe it's fair. Or rather, it's inconvenient for scum players to have to start saying they have dirty reads from time to time in their repertoaire in order to balance things out. It takes away from the Mafia experience imo if a balanced metagame would be when both factions end up saying they have inexplainable dirty reads from tiem to time. And the mafia can't naturally attain dirty angleshoot reads since they already have TMI. So I think the better variant of balanced metagame is if nobody can talk about it.

-Do not respond to other people mentioning anything regarding angleshooting, because things can have a domino effect. Just alert the mod and pretend the post doesn't exist

-Hosts should not respond to people's posts in the thread. Some hosts can be unintentionally biased to respond to setup related questions to members of the town who genuinely dont understand the setup, but if a member of the mafia tries to fake a derp clear or something, or feign ignorance about setup related thing, the host might be biased because they know that person is feigning the ignorance and forget to respond to it. The host, if they wish to interact with the players in their game, needs to constantly remind themselves that they shouldn't have TMI. I think slip-ups can happen as a result of this, so I don't believe hosts should ever directly respond to posts. If they wish to answer or say anything they should publicly say, without quoting any posts:

"Question: bla bla bla"
"Answer: bla bla bla"

And remind people not to interact with the post.

-The players should not interact with the host ITT in any way. They should not ping them with questions, they should ask privately. The reasoning is that discord is widely used for mafia chats, and a lot of people, i think, find it more convenient to type out a quick question there in wolf chat where they might be spending a lot of time regardless, than to get on the forum and ping the host there. From the way host and player talk ITT it is also possible to generate angleshooty reads. So I believe player/host public communication should be banned.

-Do not refer to mod communication. That's obvious, but:

-When having to refer to mod communication because you have no other choice (for instance, you need to ask the host on clarification on your role): Do not say "I asked tutuu and she told me this and this and that". If you repeatedly casually mention the host and the way you talked to them and what you asked them your tone/your sentence structure can generate OGI reads. Do not say that you asked the host anything. But the biggest part is the timing of you saying this itt. Let's say a scum player dies, and their role PM flips something unexpected. If a player were to say "I just asked tutuu and she told me this and this and that about this scum flip" - then that player is angleshooting themselves as town imo, because mafia are likely to already know the information about this scum flip, and they wouldn't ask the host right now. So that player is town who is angleshooting themselves town, or if they're mafia, they're consciously trying to get themselves townread based off of people thinking that - oh hey, this person asked the host, it means they are town. This whole thing devolves from the Mafia experience, this isn't Mafia.
So instead, you should say "I was told that blah blah blah" - hosts giving clarifications themselves, regardless of whether or not prompted by a question seem more safe to me / I think there is less danger of dirty reads being generated.

-Do not mention ongoing games, do not interact with them in any way shape or form. Even if you're dead in one, if that game is not completed, pretend that it does not exist.

- i got tired of writing, i have more to say about compensation, modkills, etc. just this for now

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:17 pm I would suggest in the future for post count stuff dont let people go over it ended up kind off defeating the purpose imo.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:23 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:17 pm I would suggest in the future for post count stuff dont let people go over it ended up kind off defeating the purpose imo.

^^^^^

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:29 pm As far as role-claiming is concerned, I generally feel like it should be allowed so long as either:

1. The roles don't have a unique name; i.e. a large part of the game have exact same role name

or

2. Roles have very little or nothing to do with alignment

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:29 pm As far as role-claiming is concerned, I generally feel like it should be allowed so long as either:

1. The roles don't have a unique name; i.e. a large part of the game have exact same role name

or

2. Roles have very little or nothing to do with alignment

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 pm Anyway it sucks for martin and the players that ogi stuff messed it up, again I don't know the full context and not blaming anyone just hope it's a learning experience and hope there are no lasting hard feelings

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:10 pm You know me, I don't have hard feelings.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:28 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:22 am Might as well call it a No-Contest at this point; some players (including one of the remaining scum) have already voiced their vote for that.

Or draw. Whatever you want to call it.


Role list:
Alison - Vanilla
Esooa - Custom Doctor (now vanilla due to private host action)
Falcon45ca - Vanilla
Long Con - Vanilla
MacDougall - Vanilla
Marmot - Goon (Now role-cop due to public host action)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Vanilla
Poison - Custom Doctor
Sig - Vanilla
Syn - Mafia Role Cop
Tedxtr - Vanilla
Tutuu - Mafia strongman

Mafia Chat: https://discord.gg/jrXJfvHU8P

Spec/Dead Chat: https://discord.gg/xWNPXGHczy


I know I said I would make a post, in the post-game related to my actions regarding NANOOK, and I will. But I'm busy IRL atm and will get to it later today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:13 pm For Hall of Fame entry purposes, does this game have no winners?