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youre trying to get derp cleared i see?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:09 am I mean also possible that dizzy has been hammered idk
I think this post is TMI. The read on Omega specifically is very vague and the strength of the read (which never wavers) seems off from the reasons. Buddying Alison is also the way to go.Lu Ren wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:22 pmSorry, you'll have to settle for strong reads.
Omega and Alison are both just town because of their posts before/at the start of the argument. Omega posted about feeling differently as mafia vs town, saying that she feels a lot more pressured and nervous as mafia, and then immediately said "I might be struggling to engage this game". I think both of those posts could easily be made by mafia, but the progression is much more likely town. Her perspective is just pretty genuine, and that shows up in the way she reacts to Alison. For Alison, I think she's a very zealous player and is probably pretty aggressive even as mafia, but I don't think she'd pick the things she picked here to seize on, and the very quick and convinced conf-bias she went into that with felt organic and more intense than I think she'd be likely to do as mafia in that situation.
Axe is probably also town, not a ton to say here apart from shrugging my shoulder towards the votecount. I think the biggest thing I liked from him was how he reacted to the way people engaged with how he stepped into the argument when everyone else was standing back. Didn't feel like he was trying to get anything extra out of it either at the time or afterwards.
Falcon's entry post was so level 0 mafia that I'm tempted to just say burn it with fire, but I don't remember any of their other posts so I'm not going to commit here yet. The "what happened who can I sheep" at the particular point at which they entered made me cringe.
Luckbox just seems like mafia? The "haha I'm so pure nvm just taking the piss" probing, but especially the "axehole can be a wolf, voting him" is just the laziest and worst approach in the world and not in a towny way at all given thread momentum. He combined that take with saying "I was going to have Seanzie as a maybe, but he can be town sure" and it just feels very arbitrary and like there aren't actual thoughts behind any of what he's saying.
I don't know how to vote, apart from the poll.
This is still the weirdest thing in the whole game. Esooa had a blank vote on me after I had posted a total of two times. There was no actual content to the vote. Why on earth does Lu Ren need "I don't think Esooa voted you for no reason" as a justification to suspecting me?Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:50 pmI don't think you've done anything super towny, and I don't think Esooa voted you for no reason; I don't think you've done anything very mafia-indicative but you're just not up to the bar I'd expect and I have a good deal of strong/decent town reads and you're not one.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:40 pmHi, we haven't played before afaik. What's your thoughts on me?
I think this is buddying (back). This post serves literally no other purpose than to buddy Ender. Lu Ren has otherwise been deliberate with their posting, so this is probably also deliberate.Lu Ren wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:18 pmi almost got upset at you for putting ender in the bottom tier and then i realized you were enderEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:45 am Disgruntled current state:
Probably Town:
Lu Ren
Seanzie
Belzy/BoKnows
Soft town:
NotAnAxehole
Luckbox Inc
falcon45ca
Debating on my read:
TonyStarkPrime
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Light Scum:
fingersplints
Grogu/Syn/Mac
Scum:
Dyslexicon or Alison
EnderWiggin
This walking back on Belzy is pretty bad. I could understand it if it was a case of "Rather Bo/Belzy than Alison", but this is additional justification that doesn't actually make any sense, and that's what's scummy about it, specifically the yellow part.Lu Ren wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:01 pmi kinda liked belzy's d1 but i think bo's today has been pretty terrible particularly wrt their handling of the alison slot and i feel like there's a solid chance mafia are just being like oh! but everyone said belzy made good posts d1! let's ignore bo and use that as a reason to keep v-reading our partnerfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:53 pmBK hasn't done anything scummy IMO, feels like a shot in the dark at this stage of the gameNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:43 pm I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target
@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren
You are the players I would expect to vote there.
So I ask Lu Ren about this specifically, and their answer is that they don't remember who did it, but it was a #subset of people that they didn't think were terribly villagery" and something more I don't understand. (Surprise: NOBODY CARED)Lu Ren wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:48 pmdon't remember who, but it was a subset of people that i didn't think were terribly villagery and felt like they were ignoring bo's d2 in the light of weird deterministic alison machinationsDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:38 amI know it's after the fact, but did you have an opinion on which potential mafia where doing this?Lu Ren wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:01 pmi kinda liked belzy's d1 but i think bo's today has been pretty terrible particularly wrt their handling of the alison slot and i feel like there's a solid chance mafia are just being like oh! but everyone said belzy made good posts d1! let's ignore bo and use that as a reason to keep v-reading our partner
What direction must the game take for you to get your hands dirty? Straight for a town loss is apparently fine. You don't even have to work for it.Lu Ren wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:08 pmYes, I don't really want to. If this game went differently and it made me want to dive in and get my hands dirty maybe, but I prefer the anonymity in terms of not feeling like I have to contribute more than I want and feel responsible to just being a random person here as of right now.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:18 am @Lu Ren Is there a reason you haven't said what name I would know you by?
This is their only post today.Lu Ren wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:07 pmor, you know, we could have just notNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:29 am If dizzy flips town, it will just emphasize that we should have killed Alison on D1.
but here we are
I am, I was talking about the game state. It sucks a whole lot, and not to be dramatic, but particularly for me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:17 am Sure there is... if you're town. Please do in fact. If you're town.
^That was the reason she scum read me in that game. Oh wow. It's almost like it's the exact same reason she just tunnelled the shit out of me this game. How quaint.
Is your comment that you didn't read my posts?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:09 am I kind of want to kill someone else, but that is not based on any read... Because I didn’t
Actually it was the same day. I had read some recent Alison town games over night and I did see that she tunnelled town players (and more crucially, when someone disagreed, she accused them of being teamed with the person she tunnelled. That was relevant, cause I felt the way she connected me to DOO on D1 was absurd.) And yes, I should’ve left it at that, but then she started posing again and I hated it. Also, she admitted to not fully reading my posts, and I probably just didn’t want to believe she would treat me this way as town. So I guess I was able to open up to her being town when she was not around and had zero interest in working with me. I’m a pretty omgusy player, unfortunately.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:42 pm What I don't understand Dizzy is how you had decided that maybe you were wrong about Alison at one point this game, and then the next day it was like those thoughts didn't exist and you were right back to deciding that she needed to die, and I wasn't sure what happened there.
Why?Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:17 pm Really I was hoping you were just going to roll over now. Wishful thinking apparently.
If I were a wolf in your spot I could see myself rolling over. As a villager I would still fight. But because your wolf game is getting respect, that doesn't make it easy.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:18 pmWhy?Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:17 pm Really I was hoping you were just going to roll over now. Wishful thinking apparently.
I mean, I wouldn’t be in this position if I was wolf, pretty sure lol.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:21 pmIf I were a wolf in your spot I could see myself rolling over. As a villager I would still fight. But because your wolf game is getting respect, that doesn't make it easy.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:18 pmWhy?Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:17 pm Really I was hoping you were just going to roll over now. Wishful thinking apparently.
Esooa wasn’t NKed at that point. That’s why it’s weird. Don’t know if they even uttered a read on Esooa at the time, if not, it’s more tmi.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:34 pm Lu Ren's post count and amount of real-time interaction with people is definitely concerning, but I don't see Lu as a wolf in those those posts.
The parts that are highlighted just don't come off wolfy to me. Yes, the line about esoooa was weird, but it would be weird for a wolf to say too really-- to just be so blatant about using the NK to push an agenda-- and Lu Ren is pretty clearly a more careful player than that.
ok yeah I misunderstood that post. And yeah it's weird.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:58 pmEsooa wasn’t NKed at that point. That’s why it’s weird. Don’t know if they even uttered a read on Esooa at the time, if not, it’s more tmi.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:34 pm Lu Ren's post count and amount of real-time interaction with people is definitely concerning, but I don't see Lu as a wolf in those those posts.
The parts that are highlighted just don't come off wolfy to me. Yes, the line about esoooa was weird, but it would be weird for a wolf to say too really-- to just be so blatant about using the NK to push an agenda-- and Lu Ren is pretty clearly a more careful player than that.
Both the Esooa thing and the Belzy post I think is making fake unnecessary justification because you think it’s needed. I don’t know if I can express it better. Trying to make your reasons waterproof and “reasonable”, but neither actually are. Just weird justification
ending the game might be for the best.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:00 pm That’s what’s I think anyway. Their hands off today also speaks volumes imo. But I have the dubious privilege of knowing game is just going to end now
It’s also against my wincon.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:07 pmending the game might be for the best.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:00 pm That’s what’s I think anyway. Their hands off today also speaks volumes imo. But I have the dubious privilege of knowing game is just going to end now
Still though I'd like to figure out who the wolves are for myself, for personal ego reasons.
yes well this has happened with literally any read on anyone except for like four slots this entire game soDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:32 pm Also, additional reason I feel Lu is just scum here is that every time I’ve brought up what I think are legitimate points, nobody has cared. Energy flows away from that. Energy flows towards Dizzy scum (or Alison/Dizzy) and yes, I realize this is partly my fault, but that’s a pretty glaring sign imo
i'm saying given that it's lylo and he's going in strongly on you i was wondering why that doesn't ~confirm him as wolf to you to some degreeDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:27 pm Are you asking me why not chop Mac? Cause I would take a chance on Mac simply cause he could be in most teams I could see
I do think Mac is likely scum from how he’s positioning himself. That is, he didn’t seem too invested in Alison vs Dizzy before, but now he’s full on into Dizzy scum. So yeah, that’s scummy to me.Lu Ren wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:31 pmi'm saying given that it's lylo and he's going in strongly on you i was wondering why that doesn't ~confirm him as wolf to you to some degreeDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:27 pm Are you asking me why not chop Mac? Cause I would take a chance on Mac simply cause he could be in most teams I could see
again no maj so it's not a lock but just curious what your perspective is there