Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[TonyStarkPrime]

im also bothered that your progession on me is "tsp is town" -> "i read his iso and he's town but i have some concerns" -> "I'm voting for tsp now and I'm holding" without anything in between or without you interacting with me but whatever everyone says you're town so you're town

I didn't need to interact with you.

You already were posting a lot after I brought it up.

I'm more concerned about the anything in between bit

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Daisy

[Gavial]

@ChopChop

what makes you TR Nanook

The way they went about the obv wolf slot.

[Gavial]

Mister Made them self.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Daisy

spicy and while you're here are you the role that urist thinks that grogu is

[MartinGG99]

im also bothered that your progession on me is "tsp is town" -> "i read his iso and he's town but i have some concerns" -> "I'm voting for tsp now and I'm holding" without anything in between or without you interacting with me but whatever everyone says you're town so you're town

I didn't need to interact with you.

You already were posting a lot after I brought it up.

I'm more concerned about the anything in between bit

There isn't a lot of "in between" because I don't do a whole lot of "in between" posting.

It's one of the main reasons why my post-count tends to be much lower than others in most games.

[Gavial]

No I don't want you to read for that reason, I don't want you to think he's scum. I think you can answer your vague questions about tsp reducing his volume about posting on chop

Why ya talking in third person Bud?

[MartinGG99]

Like, I don't say something every single time my reads move a centimeter.

I generally say it when it moves a foot.

[Gavial]

If Tony isn’t yeeted today ima lose my mind!

[MartinGG99]

@ChopChop

what makes you TR Nanook

The way they went about the obv wolf slot.

Nothing else at all?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like, I don't say something every single time my reads move a centimeter.

I generally say it when it moves a foot.

the posts are a minute apart and if your reads are moving a foot in a minute i sorta expect a reason

[Gavial]

@ChopChop

what makes you TR Nanook

The way they went about the obv wolf slot.

Nothing else at all?

I just don’t think that is ever scum theatre.
Nanook could be Vault City but I don’t think they are ever Enclave.

[TonyStarkPrime]

marmot talk to me about Mac and or Long Con

I'm softening on LC. Some parts of his handling of Made/Omega are in perfect sync with how I'd handle a teammate being out: Vote early for the towncred, wait and see what happens and if everyone bites on it, but generally don't touch/interact with them at all.

on this subject, can I interest you in taking a look at chop's day 3 iso

[Gavial]

marmot talk to me about Mac and or Long Con

I'm softening on LC. Some parts of his handling of Made/Omega are in perfect sync with how I'd handle a teammate being out: Vote early for the towncred, wait and see what happens and if everyone bites on it, but generally don't touch/interact with them at all.

on this subject, can I interest you in taking a look at chop's day 3 iso

Can I interest you in explaining your poison vote?

[MartinGG99]

Like, I don't say something every single time my reads move a centimeter.

I generally say it when it moves a foot.

the posts are a minute apart and if your reads are moving a foot in a minute i sorta expect a reason

If you're referring to Urist then I guess you could see that. We were live-interacting in a rather quite active thread.

But I don't recall doing that to you?

[Marmot]

I also have concerns about Martin and am not sure why I have him as town lmao

I think he looked fine from Made spew. Made spent a lot of time trying to throw sus on you and talking with you, and at one point he asked if Martin and you were the same person because you behaved the same way. Considering he was shading you, I dunno if he does that to a teammate.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Daisy

spicy and while you're here are you the role that urist thinks that grogu is

Idk what role he thinks grogu is

Isn't grogu the watcher that can't see fatal actions? Is that what urist thinks he is?

[TonyStarkPrime]

*Giant Spoiler Warning*

Spoiler: show

Yeah that’s a wolf right

Call me that again.

Wolf

Towny mind meld

[VOTE: Chop] aubergine

Speaking of, English — can you explain your chop read?

Chop chop chop

Okay I’ll be here for 10 minutes, maybe. Someone ask me something

What’s your exact read on me?

Obvious wolf but like you play like I do sometimes and some people think you’re town so I’m willing to not act on this suspicion

what the fuck is this TSP chopchop read I'm kinda ???????????????????????????? Right now

Don't like it at all

Can you explain more TSP?

Maybe when I get to a computer. But read the first 20-30 posts in their iso (starting day 1). Tell me that you see something that is not a wolf

idk what this means

Read Chop’s posts and tell me they’re town. It feels like every single one gives off wolf vibes

@TonyStarkPrime
You were tunnelling all on me yesterday, there a reason you aren’t doing that today?

i literally just called you a wolf what the heck

ChopChop feels like the low hanging fruit option that the real mafiers try to push us toward.

i feel like he's the mafia trying to push us towards himself tbh

fine I'll call

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

this is boggling my mind. this man is a wolf. remove him from the game.

pretty sure chop just claimed wolf

Chop essentially claimed the letter that SD got. SD said that she thought her letter was sent by a wolf. I have no idea if any of this is plausible yet but by this point

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

Why not? Isn't your name "chop chop"?

Yeah my thoughts go Chop Chop!
My vote goes Chop Chop on the hand!
No use my power yet!

Is this a PR claim?

Chop claiming PR as scum here is a little weird.

oh just you wait

Chop is TWTBAW ez

yuck

Agreed.
Saying I’m “TWTBAW” is flawed logic.
It’s the same as “TWTBT”.
It’s essentially a very low effort evaluation towards my slot.

Indeed, too wolfy to be town

Urist definitely not w/w with chop

Jay should just flip chop as VT no matter his actual role so I can freak out in thread

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

Wow.
Thanks for borderline calling me a PL.

scumslip less?

Also read my response to that post Tony it’s similar to yours.
Stop trying to pocket Alison.

what post

also alison thinks I'm a wolf for some unknown reason and I've given up on trying to convince her otherwise

can i block chop

i think chop is trying to spew me so town that it like wraps around

Chop is lock wolf I'm not interacting with them from here on out nor am I interacting with anything that appears to be semirelated to them

k galaxy brain: chop thought SD was scum, and then wrote a bad message to try to bridge the gap between the scum teams, which is what the last paragraph is about. then when SD said her first thing, he misunderstood and thought that was recognition of his scuminess and acceptance, and so he claimed it to try to make the connection. everything else has been back pedalling ever since

Please chop obvious wolf Chop or else i might have to deal with him tomorrow. Chopping obvious wolf Rej is nice and all too though

Like it’s incredibly arrogant for me to say “it’s impossible for me to even start to reevaluate on Chop let’s just get rid of him” but what else can I do

who is the top scum read in the thread. like give me 3 names.

made is basically copped (I think)
chop claimed mafia and is alive out of the good will of martin's heart
idk who's third. Probably kyle.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME made has claimed a decently confirmable role, zeke from NCR. does your info preclude this? what should be done now?

It doesn’t

Idk this whole situation is deeply dumb atp

I’ll follow you and suggest that you vote for chop

Chop preference:

Chop>Made>>>Mac

Disclaimer: The spoiler likely does not hold everything TSP has said about Chop Chop directly or indirectly, but probably has like 80% of it or more.

Thoughts:

1) I honestly can't say TSP's handling of Chop Chop is super townie. A lot of it is just re-reading a scum-read he has on him and emphasizing that. Aside from the whole message thing there isn't any real direct reasoning as far as I can tell in the spoiler above as to why Chop Chop is scum.

2) That said, I do feel a select few statements in there (colored pinkish by me) are unlikely to have been made by a wolf.

3) I probably should look into other avenues as to what TSP has been doing, as it could arguably be scummy if so few slots have caught his attention but him having enough time to make 420ish posts by SoD4, and it should be noted that TSP made a lot of posts or the above spoiled quotes on Chop on March 4th, or early/mid D2 (I'm in EDT, so it may look different dep. on timezone).

If anything, it may be significant that he pushes heavily in that timeframe with the wagon grows big, but it is strange that he was open to Rej being eliminated at EoD despite being quite seemingly certain that Chop is a wolf.

In fact, looking at his motivations for voting Rej, its almost a pure if not complete Alison sheep (Alison quotes in Teal):

Spoiler: show

I still haven't seen a post for Rej, does anyone know what's up there

Theory: mafia piled on BK to make him die over c4, so that c4 and Dom would burn the thread down screaming at each other and block any solving from being done.

Names for the Alison take: Martin, Rej, Grogu

@Alison who is the obvwolf?

ChopChop. Rej.

Dom and Epignosis are in the running. They've both been afk D2 and were in the deepwolf position D1.

Rej has completely vanished like he did in Space Invaders where he got caught instantly which is exactly the same as what's happening right now.

if rej actually just came in and made one or two posts and dipped i agree with alison's assessment/comparison to SI

Well Esooa's name is right there?

note this:
Out of the Bo’s Voters we have:
Urist, Esooa, SPF, Martin, Rej, Alison, Grogu and Sloon.
Now Rej became a late CW so if they are wolf their wagon was most likely town driven.
I trust Urist for now at least so I’ll take him out for now, if you want to keep him in the main PoE it’s your choice but I’m removing him from it for now.
Now with the remaining SPF/Martin/Alison/Sloon/Grogu I think there is definitely at least 1 wolf within there as this wagon I think was at least somewhat scum motivated.


one name disappears

Grogu just search Alison's iso for rej

I kinda feel like this

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'm not settled though as I have more investigation to do.

these posts are a minute apart. there's one null point, one "I'll do further investigation" point, one town point, and one scummy point that's based on something that did not happen (me voting rej). then you vote me and now based, from what I can see, solely on this, have confbiased yourself into "i want tsp to be a wolf so I can be right" without any further investigation

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Daisy

spicy and while you're here are you the role that urist thinks that grogu is

Idk what role he thinks grogu is

Isn't grogu the watcher that can't see fatal actions? Is that what urist thinks he is?

yeah that one

[TonyStarkPrime]

AHS-9

[MartinGG99]

@ChopChop

what makes you TR Nanook

The way they went about the obv wolf slot.

Nothing else at all?

I just don’t think that is ever scum theatre.
Nanook could be Vault City but I don’t think they are ever Enclave.

So you didn't in any way meta, town-read, or scum read a guy you've been harassing until he finally got that you were Seththeking (A.k.a Dark Magician on my homesite)? You apparently even played video mafia with him.

Did that even influence your thoughts on the mech claim by him against DOOM?

What I'm saying is that I don't see much of that publicly

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Can someone suggest a wagon which isn't Mac, Chop or TSP

Daisy

spicy and while you're here are you the role that urist thinks that grogu is

Idk what role he thinks grogu is

Isn't grogu the watcher that can't see fatal actions? Is that what urist thinks he is?

yeah that one

Wouldn't it be dope if I could cc two mafia on back to back days

Unfortunately no that isn't the world we live in

[TonyStarkPrime]

darn

[TonyStarkPrime]

i had such a nice theory and everything

[TonyStarkPrime]

arrows going everywhere

[MartinGG99]

*Giant Spoiler Warning*

Spoiler: show

Yeah that’s a wolf right

Call me that again.

Wolf

Towny mind meld

[VOTE: Chop] aubergine

Speaking of, English — can you explain your chop read?

Chop chop chop

Okay I’ll be here for 10 minutes, maybe. Someone ask me something

What’s your exact read on me?

Obvious wolf but like you play like I do sometimes and some people think you’re town so I’m willing to not act on this suspicion

what the fuck is this TSP chopchop read I'm kinda ???????????????????????????? Right now

Don't like it at all

Can you explain more TSP?

Maybe when I get to a computer. But read the first 20-30 posts in their iso (starting day 1). Tell me that you see something that is not a wolf

idk what this means

Read Chop’s posts and tell me they’re town. It feels like every single one gives off wolf vibes

@TonyStarkPrime
You were tunnelling all on me yesterday, there a reason you aren’t doing that today?

i literally just called you a wolf what the heck

ChopChop feels like the low hanging fruit option that the real mafiers try to push us toward.

i feel like he's the mafia trying to push us towards himself tbh

fine I'll call

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

this is boggling my mind. this man is a wolf. remove him from the game.

pretty sure chop just claimed wolf

Chop essentially claimed the letter that SD got. SD said that she thought her letter was sent by a wolf. I have no idea if any of this is plausible yet but by this point

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

Why not? Isn't your name "chop chop"?

Yeah my thoughts go Chop Chop!
My vote goes Chop Chop on the hand!
No use my power yet!

Is this a PR claim?

Chop claiming PR as scum here is a little weird.

oh just you wait

Chop is TWTBAW ez

yuck

Agreed.
Saying I’m “TWTBAW” is flawed logic.
It’s the same as “TWTBT”.
It’s essentially a very low effort evaluation towards my slot.

Indeed, too wolfy to be town

Urist definitely not w/w with chop

Jay should just flip chop as VT no matter his actual role so I can freak out in thread

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

Wow.
Thanks for borderline calling me a PL.

scumslip less?

Also read my response to that post Tony it’s similar to yours.
Stop trying to pocket Alison.

what post

also alison thinks I'm a wolf for some unknown reason and I've given up on trying to convince her otherwise

can i block chop

i think chop is trying to spew me so town that it like wraps around

Chop is lock wolf I'm not interacting with them from here on out nor am I interacting with anything that appears to be semirelated to them

k galaxy brain: chop thought SD was scum, and then wrote a bad message to try to bridge the gap between the scum teams, which is what the last paragraph is about. then when SD said her first thing, he misunderstood and thought that was recognition of his scuminess and acceptance, and so he claimed it to try to make the connection. everything else has been back pedalling ever since

Please chop obvious wolf Chop or else i might have to deal with him tomorrow. Chopping obvious wolf Rej is nice and all too though

Like it’s incredibly arrogant for me to say “it’s impossible for me to even start to reevaluate on Chop let’s just get rid of him” but what else can I do

who is the top scum read in the thread. like give me 3 names.

made is basically copped (I think)
chop claimed mafia and is alive out of the good will of martin's heart
idk who's third. Probably kyle.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME made has claimed a decently confirmable role, zeke from NCR. does your info preclude this? what should be done now?

It doesn’t

Idk this whole situation is deeply dumb atp

I’ll follow you and suggest that you vote for chop

Chop preference:

Chop>Made>>>Mac

Disclaimer: The spoiler likely does not hold everything TSP has said about Chop Chop directly or indirectly, but probably has like 80% of it or more.

Thoughts:

1) I honestly can't say TSP's handling of Chop Chop is super townie. A lot of it is just re-reading a scum-read he has on him and emphasizing that. Aside from the whole message thing there isn't any real direct reasoning as far as I can tell in the spoiler above as to why Chop Chop is scum.

2) That said, I do feel a select few statements in there (colored pinkish by me) are unlikely to have been made by a wolf.

3) I probably should look into other avenues as to what TSP has been doing, as it could arguably be scummy if so few slots have caught his attention but him having enough time to make 420ish posts by SoD4, and it should be noted that TSP made a lot of posts or the above spoiled quotes on Chop on March 4th, or early/mid D2 (I'm in EDT, so it may look different dep. on timezone).

If anything, it may be significant that he pushes heavily in that timeframe with the wagon grows big, but it is strange that he was open to Rej being eliminated at EoD despite being quite seemingly certain that Chop is a wolf.

In fact, looking at his motivations for voting Rej, its almost a pure if not complete Alison sheep (Alison quotes in Teal):

Spoiler: show

I still haven't seen a post for Rej, does anyone know what's up there

Theory: mafia piled on BK to make him die over c4, so that c4 and Dom would burn the thread down screaming at each other and block any solving from being done.

Names for the Alison take: Martin, Rej, Grogu

@Alison who is the obvwolf?

ChopChop. Rej.

Dom and Epignosis are in the running. They've both been afk D2 and were in the deepwolf position D1.

Rej has completely vanished like he did in Space Invaders where he got caught instantly which is exactly the same as what's happening right now.

if rej actually just came in and made one or two posts and dipped i agree with alison's assessment/comparison to SI

Well Esooa's name is right there?

note this:
Out of the Bo’s Voters we have:
Urist, Esooa, SPF, Martin, Rej, Alison, Grogu and Sloon.
Now Rej became a late CW so if they are wolf their wagon was most likely town driven.
I trust Urist for now at least so I’ll take him out for now, if you want to keep him in the main PoE it’s your choice but I’m removing him from it for now.
Now with the remaining SPF/Martin/Alison/Sloon/Grogu I think there is definitely at least 1 wolf within there as this wagon I think was at least somewhat scum motivated.


one name disappears

Grogu just search Alison's iso for rej

I kinda feel like this

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'm not settled though as I have more investigation to do.

these posts are a minute apart. there's one null point, one "I'll do further investigation" point, one town point, and one scummy point that's based on something that did not happen (me voting rej). then you vote me and now based, from what I can see, solely on this, have confbiased yourself into "i want tsp to be a wolf so I can be right" without any further investigation

.......The investigation was while you were here posting and I was gone?

I don't see what's missing here.

[MartinGG99]

I mean, I did my further investigation as I was reading to catch-up to now.

[MartinGG99]

Turns out you're fairly talkative even when not being interacted with.

[MartinGG99]

There's also the fact that Alison was challenging my reasons as well.

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

For the moment. I'll be looking at other people.

TSP is back to probably being not-scum/town.

[MartinGG99]

Watch Dom come outta nowhere to attack me for "dropping the bone".

[Grogu]

Urist or Alison who should I vote for

Why would you ever vote for Urist?

I trust urist and Allison. I never said I would vote them, I’m asking them.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

For the moment. I'll be looking at other people.

TSP is back to probably being not-scum/town.

watch out if you say this chop might sr you

[Grogu]

please just call grogu locktown so that he can be NK'd at some point ty

I am ok with this. Who’s a good vote? Poison? I’m ok with that.
I think chop might be town. I been so bad this game

[Alison]

Urist or Alison who should I vote for

Why would you ever vote for Urist?

I trust urist and Allison. I never said I would vote them, I’m asking them.

Out of the whole game my biggest point of clarity is Martin. I trust him the most and I also think he has decent reads as town. There's a lot of reason to suspect the people surrounding me and honestly I plan to just sheep Martin. So my answer is "whoever Martin votes".

[MartinGG99]

The thing that disturbs me about this game is the number of players I'd be ok voting off right now.

@Marmot

I would like it if you could give some form of reads list

I somewhat vibed with it earlier when you mentioned it and it may be better for us to share our thoughts

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Poison is still in this game?


Were gonna lose aren't we

[Grogu]

Urist or Alison who should I vote for

Why would you ever vote for Urist?

I trust urist and Allison. I never said I would vote them, I’m asking them.

Out of the whole game my biggest point of clarity is Martin. I trust him the most and I also think he has decent reads as town. There's a lot of reason to suspect the people surrounding me and honestly I plan to just sheep Martin. So my answer is "whoever Martin votes".

Martin is I voting with me.
Urist want poison but not voting there themselves...
Daisy prob always scum here.

[MartinGG99]

Poison is still in this game?


Were gonna lose aren't we

Yeah they haven't been- [redacted due to certain ethics regarding certain rules]

[Grogu]

[VOTE: poison] aubergine I think this is best course of action today.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Poison is still in this game?


Were gonna lose aren't we

Yeah they haven't been- [redacted due to certain ethics regarding certain rules]

I just meant still alive

But this did make me laugh!

[Grogu]

What is epi deal? He’s voting for tsp

[MartinGG99]

Urist or Alison who should I vote for

Why would you ever vote for Urist?

I trust urist and Allison. I never said I would vote them, I’m asking them.

Out of the whole game my biggest point of clarity is Martin. I trust him the most and I also think he has decent reads as town. There's a lot of reason to suspect the people surrounding me and honestly I plan to just sheep Martin. So my answer is "whoever Martin votes".

Hows your Mac read going? Still the same since early-ish D2?

Personally I'm fairly suspicious of him atm but apparently he was town-read by you, whom you've played and wolfed with before.

[Grogu]

Poison is still in this game?


Were gonna lose aren't we

Yeah they haven't been- [redacted due to certain ethics regarding certain rules]

I just meant still alive

But this did make me laugh!

Wait is she not supposed to be here?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't think going afk is AI for poison pretty sure she's just busy but its also tough to have this many afk slots still around at potentially KILO

So yeah

[Grogu]

I think Mac is scum but not enclave. So he gets a pass

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Poison is still in this game?


Were gonna lose aren't we

Yeah they haven't been- [redacted due to certain ethics regarding certain rules]

I just meant still alive

But this did make me laugh!

Wait is she not supposed to be here?

She is i just forgot she was alive

[Grogu]

Martin thoughts on daisy and poison

[MartinGG99]

Martin thoughts on daisy and poison

Poison is one of the mysteries of the universe. I think they're scum, and that was on D2, but I kinda forgot the original reasons for that.

Daisy disappeared since D2 apparently. I originally town-read them in connection with Chop Chop, and their Chop Chop read.

[MartinGG99]

@Long Con

What's your read on Marmot