Meta Mafia (day 4)

[falcon45ca]

His game is completely different from his town game. He is shit stirring instead of actual solving, like when he said Rox and I were fighting so needed to decide between those two. His posts are a bit too jokey in nature for this late in the game. Plus all the kills make sense from a Dennis/wolf scenario

That's been my sense as well, but I also recently posted this take (or thereabouts)...so mindmeld, or splints pocketing me?

[fingersplints]

Lol I like your healthy suspicion but I have I need to pocket anyone.

[fingersplints]

*no need to pocket anyone

[fingersplints]

I’ve made clear my stance on Dennis this was just a summary

[fingersplints]

I think the team is Dennis/epi/six

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Like this take:

I thought roxy's insistence that splints is lhf was bad

I’m considered LHF most games. My posts can be few and inconsistent

[fingersplints]

Wow a lot of my saved posts were fluff

I guess everything important was in that first post

wait, Dennis
can you post a reads list for me pls and ty

Not gonna lie I didn't really think much before and Neon is lower than I said when I answered seanzie, but not my first chop

They're not ordered within groups

Lemonfairy
Roxy
DrWilgy

fingersplints
Epignosis
falcon45ca

Neon
SixStrings
Matahari

Seanzie

ty
hmmm can you talk to me on Wilgy, Epi and Seanzie (if you've explained one or more of these, just skip them b/c I have bad memory)

Wilgy has always been a sort of easy read for me (actually I've never played with his as mafia. I'm terrified now) and nothing is out of line. He did his little wagonomics thing too which I always like from him. Kinda underwhelming for the top group I know but it is what it is

Epi v seanzie read like a difference check to me. Maybe I'm too quick to call something that isn't w/w a difference check but I do think there's a wolf in there. In their argument epi held his cool while seanzie wasn't really consistent, and backtracked on his epi townread as soon as he got pushed

“He could be bad but….
Defends

[falcon45ca]

I think the team is Dennis/epi/six

[fingersplints]

Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I am off this day but it’s un game related.
I disagree with most everything you say except I’m getting the same vibe from six. Trying to give him BoTD as new player but hard to ignore

@Roxy and splints, is it common for you two to disagree as town? From my understanding you two generally see eye to eye so I wonder what this could mean

They aren't disagreeing at all

They've stated a disagreement but than Splints went and basically made the same PoE

It's distancing bb

Am I missing something

Though I did forget splints reads list so maybe I should figure that out but it looks like the only part they agree is six

Dennis says here that the only think me and Rox agree on is Six. Because he is pushing the narrative that we are fighting and that’s weird for us
But notice how he doesn’t mention this at all again while neon and I squabble about me copying Rox

[fingersplints]

Roxy come back I need you to fight with splints

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: dennis] aubergine for fun

??

Lmfao I forgot that happened ngl I thought he moved it

“For fun”

[falcon45ca]

Epi & Dennis have very high partner probability IMO

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Would you share your reasons with the group please?

My vote for Dennis had three factors 1} Earlier Dennis made an "everyone thinks Strings is bad" comment so jump on the band wagon. This comment was observed by others, then somewhat retracted afterward. 2}Dennis has shown as likely bad in several lists. 3} Dennis voted me as bad, which feels like an easy hit with little basis that I am aware of.

Distancing

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.

yo what
can you quote them and explain which parts you found suspicious?

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.

This of course is subject to change, and I realize that it also does not help with any consensus as we have all voted for different people so far.

who else do you suspect aside from me then?

I don't think 6String ever address this?

you are correct I did not address. At that time I had had Dennis as a person of interest . I needed to further my convictions before elevating him and naming him as bad.

Hedgy
“Dennis may be bad but I can’t elaborate why atm”

[falcon45ca]

OK, so I don't really see Maf splints solving like this So,


falcon, splints


sean, wilgy


dennis, epi, six

[falcon45ca]

My take on Sean & Wilgy is more tinfoil/paranoia, cuz' I actually find them more towny than not

[fingersplints]

OK, so I don't really see Maf splints solving like this So,

Literally 0% chance lol

[fingersplints]

So the reality is if we broaden the PoE to include “tinfoil
Paranoia” who is the most likely to be a hit?

[fingersplints]

I can waiver on Epi (and barely because I’m stubborn af) but I do not see a world where Dennis and six aren’t mafia

[falcon45ca]

So the reality is if we broaden the PoE to include “tinfoil
Paranoia” who is the most likely to be a hit?

Wilgy based off tinfoil of still being alive while doing some actual solving, or at least what very much appears to be the type of solving that Wilgy does.






I find Sean the least towny of the two as far as solve energy goes, and that's why I'm less tinfoiled that he's still alive

[fingersplints]

Wilgy being alive can be excused atm with “bigger threats”though

Like me being alive, I can almost guarantee the mafia team did not expect me to work so hard to solve today. Especially if I am correct with Dennis - as I was just teammates with him and quite lazy.

[falcon45ca]

Of the 3 of 6, Epi & Dennis, I feel 6 has the higher town likelihood.

[DrWilgy]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

[falcon45ca]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

How does Epi justify moving off my slot to save Dennis? It would out them both, Epi has had no read progression and hasn't even interacted w/ Mata.





There's no reason to believe that Epi is not paired w/ Dennis based off EOD, in fact I'd say it's the opposite...why does town Epi show up at EOD to do nothing? He doesn't move his vote, he doesn't make any new reads

[Seanzie]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

I think Wilgy should be on this list as well. Especially if it is something like Dennis/Epi/Wilgy, that would explain why Wilgy was steadfast on Mata last EoD when Falcon and I were on Epi. I TR Wilgy independent of this, but for your exercise, I think they get an honorable mention here.

[Seanzie]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

I came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.

[falcon45ca]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

I came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.

Exactly

[Seanzie]

I feel a lot better about Falcon today than I did yesterday.

FS

Wilgy
Falcon

Six

Epi

Dennis

Did I miss anyone?

Epi made a good point about SixStrings yesterday feeling lost, and therefore townie. At the time that resonated with me, but now I am not so sure.

Dennis/Epi/Six

Dennis/Epi/Wilgy

Dennis/Six/Falcon

Dennis/Six/Wilgy

Dennis/Falcon/Wilgy

I have a hard time seeing a world where Dennis is not a wolf, but if I do a trustfall maybe Epi/Six/Wilgy? I feel like Falcon/Epi are never w/w here and I am okay leaving FS out of potential teams, so I'd guess one of these is exactly the team, and this is more-or-less sorted from most to least likely

[Dennis]

Good lord

[Dennis]

(If you don't wanna read, pretty much I say I think there was a better kill every night) SVS was pretty much spewed town by everyone, so that felt like the most optimal kill to me then. Then lemonfairy which was actually a bit confusing, but they were the most sctive (they actually still have the most posts) and quiet thread tends to mean wolves are happy. Shutting up lemon could only really benefit wolves imo. Finally Roxy was like almost immediately a "oh that's meant to frame me", which I realize you guys can't exactly know, but that's what it is fmpov so like all I can really say is just trust me bro I also would be very wary of anyone who says something like "Dennis is new so of course he would night kill people giving him trouble" cause I'm not that naive or dumb and most people should know that

I don't understand why framing you would be the go to on the analysis re Roxy.

Splints and Roxy had each other as town lock and I ended up coming around on Roxy during EoD last cycle.

Also the way you say this is just kinda weird. (Tldr the NK's were bad) but then you go to express why each NK was good?

I explained why I thought Roxy was a frame, and then explained why you wouldn't assume it but I would

The TLDR meant there's a better kill than killing you, not just a better kill in general. Explaining why they killed where they did

[Dennis]

How on earth do people make every single one of their posts like that big wtf

Are you using a phone or a computer?

Phone

[Dennis]

Wowza that was t/t wagons

I've got no clue who the wolves are but I don't actually think there is one world where I don't get killed and the game doesn't end here so is it actually worth trying

This is a wolf.

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I would argue it's a pessimist

[Dennis]

Wowza that was t/t wagons

I've got no clue who the wolves are but I don't actually think there is one world where I don't get killed and the game doesn't end here so is it actually worth trying

This is a wolf.

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I also found that post especially scummy

Then why didn't you say that before

Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now

[Dennis]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

There's only 3 mafia not 4

[Dennis]

His game is completely different from his town game. He is shit stirring instead of actual solving, like when he said Rox and I were fighting so needed to decide between those two. His posts are a bit too jokey in nature for this late in the game. Plus all the kills make sense from a Dennis/wolf scenario

I explained why I wanted to decide between you two, and you ignored me so if you wanna keep pushing that have fun

Sorry, I'll turn off my personality and start depression posting now cause we're gonna lose. I don't see why I can't try to have some fun still

Explain why all of the kills make sense then

[Dennis]

Wow a lot of my saved posts were fluff

I guess everything important was in that first post

wait, Dennis
can you post a reads list for me pls and ty

Not gonna lie I didn't really think much before and Neon is lower than I said when I answered seanzie, but not my first chop

They're not ordered within groups

Lemonfairy
Roxy
DrWilgy

fingersplints
Epignosis
falcon45ca

Neon
SixStrings
Matahari

Seanzie

ty
hmmm can you talk to me on Wilgy, Epi and Seanzie (if you've explained one or more of these, just skip them b/c I have bad memory)

Wilgy has always been a sort of easy read for me (actually I've never played with his as mafia. I'm terrified now) and nothing is out of line. He did his little wagonomics thing too which I always like from him. Kinda underwhelming for the top group I know but it is what it is

Epi v seanzie read like a difference check to me. Maybe I'm too quick to call something that isn't w/w a difference check but I do think there's a wolf in there. In their argument epi held his cool while seanzie wasn't really consistent, and backtracked on his epi townread as soon as he got pushed

“He could be bad but….
Defends

Where do I defend anyone here

[Dennis]

Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I am off this day but it’s un game related.
I disagree with most everything you say except I’m getting the same vibe from six. Trying to give him BoTD as new player but hard to ignore

@Roxy and splints, is it common for you two to disagree as town? From my understanding you two generally see eye to eye so I wonder what this could mean

They aren't disagreeing at all

They've stated a disagreement but than Splints went and basically made the same PoE

It's distancing bb

Am I missing something

Though I did forget splints reads list so maybe I should figure that out but it looks like the only part they agree is six

Dennis says here that the only think me and Rox agree on is Six. Because he is pushing the narrative that we are fighting and that’s weird for us
But notice how he doesn’t mention this at all again while neon and I squabble about me copying Rox

I guess I probably did push that narrative on accident but none of you are listening to me clearly since I said giving myself a sorta tunnel vision helps me focus and you don't have to follow me

Did I say anything while neon and you fought? Cause I don't remember that even happening and I doubt I was in thread for it

[Dennis]

Splints/falcon/six final answer

[Dennis]

Oh wait I missed a post in my little multipost thing

[Dennis]

OK, so I don't really see Maf splints solving like this So,


falcon, splints


sean, wilgy


dennis, epi, six

W/w

[Dennis]

And they're bussing six to send themselves deep

Not a crazy idea cause it was literally our backup plan in tounge tied

[Dennis]

OK, so I don't really see Maf splints solving like this So,


falcon, splints


sean, wilgy


dennis, epi, six

W/w

Should probably expand huh

Splints is getting generally townread so falcon just throws on this little snippet of "oh yah ur town coolio" to both blend in and keep splints alive

[Dennis]

And they're bussing six to send themselves deep

Not a crazy idea cause it was literally our backup plan in tounge tied

Not bussing, bussing is their backup plan

Suspecting is the right word

[falcon45ca]

Splints/falcon/six final answer

What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?

[Dennis]

Splints/falcon/six final answer

What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?

I really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleep

He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me

There are 0 world where he should be the chop today

[Dennis]

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

You said this... emulating my town play. This game. Your tail is showing.

I'd love to play a game with you.

If I flip town you never get to read me ever again.

Wanna play?

Flipcup Neon edition as stated is currently one-sided, so the game theorist in me refuses to play. What do I get if I win?

I will inform everyone of your greatness and sheep you for all eternity

Deal.

Everyone, we need to flip Neon.

This is the only interesting thing

You lost the bet seanzie...

[Dennis]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Wowza that was t/t wagons

I've got no clue who the wolves are but I don't actually think there is one world where I don't get killed and the game doesn't end here so is it actually worth trying

This is a wolf.

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I also found that post especially scummy

Then why didn't you say that before

Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now

I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.





Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?

[falcon45ca]

Splints/falcon/six final answer

What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?

I really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleep

He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me

There are 0 world where he should be the chop today

So how exactly is Sean's push on you towny, whereas mine is not?

[falcon45ca]

Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone

I would say Falcon

He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself

I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself

You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.




What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.




It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.




Are you town? Then show me, help solve

Mmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to say

You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back