The Syndicate

hmn i think i put the wrong link so https://discord.gg/MM9Y7t

GG maf!
Thanks for hosting Nanook!

Really happy that I got to play with all of you again or for the first time!

DVC https://discord.gg/YBEBVU

hmn I guess the correct kill here is to choose between cayvie and me. I don't think no chop really has an advantage because in the end it's gonna come back to that again.

idk what to tell you. Trust me I tried? lol

sigh I'm sorry for disappearing. Anyway. I think I'm just gonna ride or die with my lock town reads - chardonnay, cassowary, drwilgy and fatmo. I guess I couuuld tinfoil drwilgy but eh, not really actually.

I strongly believe that MJ/Fatmo was not w/w. MJ was trying to find something that would take off. Fatmo track on cassowary on N3 is also pretty ??? to make because I think they were obviously not paired with UG or MJ, so I think it's more likely that it's coming from t!Fatmo not following very closely than from a wolf trying to fake logical tracks.

idk. Maybe there's just one left.

[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

[mention]Fatmo[/mention] Do you have a track result?

Well fuck

[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

BTW remember that ties are broken by mafia so everyone should vote

Zuko VT fire

Nutella was killed n1 and Jack was burnt n1. It's a bit odd because they were not the most townread players at that time. I was expecting an Alison kill tbh.

Idk what the purpose of nk nutella was. Was the team too afraid or too confident? Does that indicate it's a team that's in the low posting side or in the high posting side?

In my very limited limited experience MJ is a team player as maf. They subbed in rlly close to deadline and decided to go hard and try to gain influence in the thread by posting a lot. They didn't need to do anything really, since their slot had 1 NAI post and it was totly understandable for them to not have time to do anything. But they decided to do it and enter strongly because it must have been beneficial to the team. If the rest of the team is UG, Fatmo and Dov, I don't think that it is good for them to have MJ be agressive like that in their push. If MJ subs in and realize all their team is various degré of AFK I think that their goal is to go deep and endgame, not to power wolf like they tried. Idk if that makes sense but it does make a lot of sense for me lol

I think that the other members of wolf team were comfortable in the thread at that time and that they wanted to powerwolf. Jack was probably a doc dodge. His drop off was kinda scummy so it might also have been credible to make it look like a town poisoner. Regarding nutella NK. Clearly they were afraid of her and were ready to sacrifice MJ. If the team is all low posters, Marcher is probs being a leader in scum chat. I don't thibk they shoot their own foot like that and don't make a plan for their teammates. Like, Fatmo and Dov have done no things that are like trying to get some sort of town cred related to that. Otoh if the other wolves are comfortable with nutella nk they kinda reduce the possibility of clearing other people by not allowing more nutella-MJ interactions spew.

Anyway sorry if it's a bit messy, am tired and phonepsoting. Basically my conclusion frome these thoughts are that dov/fatmo is not a team I believe in for sure. The time-line just doesn't make sense. I guess this is the explanation for why I thought it didn't fêeel right earlier lol
I think I feel good locking Fatmo as town. The MJ push was pre-thunderdorme, when they were still in their trying to powpen wolf.

To me it seems like dov just doesn't have a partner atm.

That leaves DDL and cayvie.

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:37 am wait no PSI and nutella flash wagoned so probs not? unless they were like hard banking on letting dov get burnt to pick whichever wagon they wanted to go over
fatmo vote looks sus tho

ok I'm just staring at this post and I don't understand what the baking on letting dov get burnt mean Like even with the context I'm not sure what this is about lol

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[mention]chardonnay[/mention] I think I'd prefer DDL, but not by a lot anymore tbh. Also, could you go take a look at MJ's mention of cayvie? I have some thoughts but I don't want to conf bias myself

MJ mentions of Fatmo: This all happen before the nutella thunderdome, so I think MJ was still pretty comfortable in the thread and trying to push mischops aggressively.

Previous to the first quote MJ was doing wagon analysis. 2/3 are flipped town and I wouldn't be shocked if Fatmo is as well, especially considering the second quote. This is the kind of thing you add and hope that someone catches on, it really doesn't feel like w/w. In my experience MJ is totally capable of having bursts of quick posting that feel townie so I think they were fairly confident at the moment. I'm like 90% sure Fatmo is town here.

Fatmo town means dov has no teammates (unless it's intense bussing but eh).

For now I think I'm always voting between cayvie and DDL.

I was resisting the urge to do pre-flip associations but now it's kinda tingling me.

I'm considering chardonnay, Long Con, Wilgy and Cassowary as town. That leaves a pool of: DDL - cayvie - dov - Fatmo

v!DDL world means one of the following combination:

cayvie-dov
cayvie-fatmo
dov-fatmo

dov-fatmo feels wrong and sounds wrong. Like, I don't have a *precise* reason that comes to my mind immediately but it just doesn't really feel like the sense of the thread, if that makes sense.

cayvie-dov means cayvie decided to play the full bus when Marcher was under the spotlight. There's like, no coming back from the way she pushed dov. I can see so many easier roads than the full bus in this world, I think it's unlikely.

cayvie-fatmo might be a thing but also eh.

So yeah, v!DDL world seems really unlikely to me.

hmmmn I vaguely remember nutella saying something about Marcher having a 'desperate' push on Fatmo. I'll take a closer look because if the team is really all the low-posters I don't think MJ's strategy is to bus.

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Just to know, is it common to have uuuuh roles like "lost child/lost wolf/passenger wolf" here? Like a mafia alignment that don't know the other and vice-versa?

lmao I was gonna say I have a lot of difficulty imagining a world where you're town

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:22 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:50 pm Why do you put cassowary before cayvie?

This morning, I asked you to provide an explanation on why you read cass. You linked me to some posts. I replied saying I agreed with it. You should have gotten a notification when I did.

Yes I saw that but why are you putting yeet cassowary before yeet cayvie?

Why do you put cassowary before cayvie?

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:12 pm Chard/Carotte, if you guys are proposing Cayvie/DDL as the last two scum, what's up w/ this tea thing do you think? :/

No idea, I don't really care for it tbh

Ok so what's your PoE/vote order right now?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:09 pm Yes so therefore from that list there was also dov and me in your PoE, thus my initial confusion

*only dov and me not also

Yes so therefore from that list there was also dov and me in your PoE, thus my initial confusion

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:23 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:43 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:43 am DDL what's your plan now?

Yeet dov unless dov starts playing.

No, seriously, is there any reason on Earth to let him make to lylo?

This is poe time, there are some people I townread and some I don't, time to tackle the ones I don't.

Ok but isn't your PoE just dov and me lol?

No, it isn't actually.

In the post where I used the word "PoE", which you probably did read but are pretending not to have, I made a longer list.

I was referring this post -->

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:38 am Ok so my PoE is

Dov
Wilgy
Cass
Carotte

Not necessarily in this order and subject to change at whim.

Meanwhile you townread Wilgy and Cass

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:59 am in my mind the scummiest thing

DDL has done has been to imply that we have 4 chops left at a time when we probably don't
dov has done is that vote on jiwon. also disappearing after the gladiate
fatmo has done is disappear
carot has done is find the bold tags in psi's readlist on the night she died.

LOL what I thought the scummiest thing I did was defend UG or something, how is pointing out the bolded text the scummiest thing I did *confusion*

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:43 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:43 am DDL what's your plan now?

Yeet dov unless dov starts playing.

No, seriously, is there any reason on Earth to let him make to lylo?

This is poe time, there are some people I townread and some I don't, time to tackle the ones I don't.

Ok but isn't your PoE just dov and me lol?

DDL what's your plan now?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:53 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 am Why do you consider the push on Neutron rather than Jiwon townie? From my POV since they were both town scum always try to yeet the harder to yeet later player first (so in this case DJ, not Jiwon). DDL not wanting to yeet Jiwon D1 because it's "too easy" and wanting to "try harder" (iirc) sounds kinda dissonant with the recent always yeet dov because he's not playing. Like, in a vacuum I don't have a problem with this kind of policy vote but it seems weird to me that he didn't want to go there on D1 but is going there with conviction here for dov. (idk if it's clear but yeah bcwohuouerj)

Again with the manipulation.

How do you actually out "Day 1" in your sentence but conveniently forget to refer to it later in the argument?

Yeeting an inactive in day 1 is too easy. Yeeting an inactive at some point is a necessity. This should be obvious.

I'm comparing your D1 philosophy to your D4 philosophy, I don't see the problem? I don't understand how you'd rather keep yeeting the inactives to the later half of the game, it's much less dommageble at the beginning of the game imo

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:53 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:46 am Also DDL you're not being *tinfoilled* because there was never compelling reasons to lock you town or whatsoever.

Semantics.

aw I had an English teacher with really funny memes about the importance of stuff like semantics but I don't remember them

But the point is: it matters because it doesn't mean the same thing. When you say you're being tinfoiled you're implying then you should be a consensus ~lock~ town. You're challenging our suspicions of you by implying that you're an evident townie, which is not really the case.

uiorhufre okok quick thoughts before I go back to stupid assignments:

* Wilgy scumread cayvie from a little bit nowhere. In my experience Wilgy has good instincts that get ignored because he's not vocal about it. Here since Wilgy is green checked I think it is important we actually take the time to discuss that cayvie read.

* Cayvie. At the beginning I liked her reaction re: Alison stuff, ??? her DDL read. Then I kinda went on with the town read because nothing pinged me. Then the dov vote happened during the Marcher yeet (???). It felt like prepping a future mischop by impregnating the thread with dov = scum idea and the low search energy vibe. In a way how she put a *vote* on him and explaining it rather than just saying she thinks dov is paired with MJ feels like scum trying to do something "different" to get town cred

* DDL I have scumread since the beginning. I must say I'm really afraid of flipping him and then being wrong :x But like. I still don't really have reasons to townread him. Today he's been pushing dov and... That's it.

* I think I'm back to "Dov is probably just town" because of how people pushed the slot, unless he's wolf with exactly Fatmo or that he's the only scum left (which seems unlikely)

* This point exists because Fatmo exists but I don't really have thoughts

Also DDL you're not being *tinfoilled* because there was never compelling reasons to lock you town or whatsoever.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:45 am Can someone link me to the post where you people decided cass is locktown cuz I ain't searching for it either

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 19#p660619
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 01#p661101

omg chardonnay thanks for rereading everything!!

This day is a really bad timing for me but I'll try my best to be active >: |

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:45 am Im starting to feel like the team is Cayvie and DDL. I cant exactly explain it in so many words, but its like they are working to a common goal. Their reads don't line up exactly, but the destination seems about that same. Neither seem keen on distancing each other. Perhaps it the result of loosing two buddies, and not wanting to bus again.

DoV could be scum don't get me wrong. Im even fine voting him today. BUt I definitely feel v strongly for DDL, or Cayvie.

ow cool this is the impression I was starting to have as well.
I forgot their early interactions, iirc DDL squinted at cayvie reading him/me as v/v but did it ever really follow-up?

Also on #929 first line your link for Fatmo is not the good one, it links to the one on dov from your previous post

Why do you consider the push on Neutron rather than Jiwon townie? From my POV since they were both town scum always try to yeet the harder to yeet later player first (so in this case DJ, not Jiwon). DDL not wanting to yeet Jiwon D1 because it's "too easy" and wanting to "try harder" (iirc) sounds kinda dissonant with the recent always yeet dov because he's not playing. Like, in a vacuum I don't have a problem with this kind of policy vote but it seems weird to me that he didn't want to go there on D1 but is going there with conviction here for dov. (idk if it's clear but yeah bcwohuouerj)

*burning/poison thing not bubble lol

yeah MJ's ability was factional so it's probably the same for the bubble

I'm a bit puzzled by how Jack was saved though, I thought nutella was the healing ability

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:33 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:18 pm Cayvie: Okay, I'll look into it later!

Hey Wilgy can you explain your cayvie read please?

I'm considering chardonnay - Long Con - Wilgy - cassowary as lock town and never touching it.
It leaves me cayvie - DDL - Fatmo - dov to sort today. I think I want to start fresh and take the time to relook at them and their interactions more precisely.

Why is cass even lock town?

For the UG associatives, I don't think they're ever w/w!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:31 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:29 pm oh true cayvie voted dov, I remember thinking it was a really weird post. hmn. That + the instant reaction DDL had makes me a bit afraid they're the last 2 prepping a misflip on dov. Thoughts on that?

You had me at hello.

hmmn what lol

hmn also I don't remember who but someone was very confident in Marcher gladiating dov to "put him in a good position" and it really rubbed me the wrong way, it felt like an attempt to keep low momentum to misflip dov. Note to myself to find who that was while re-reading

oh true cayvie voted dov, I remember thinking it was a really weird post. hmn. That + the instant reaction DDL had makes me a bit afraid they're the last 2 prepping a misflip on dov. Thoughts on that?

Cayvie: Okay, I'll look into it later!

Hey Wilgy can you explain your cayvie read please?

I'm considering chardonnay - Long Con - Wilgy - cassowary as lock town and never touching it.
It leaves me cayvie - DDL - Fatmo - dov to sort today. I think I want to start fresh and take the time to relook at them and their interactions more precisely.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:03 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:00 pm I was about to say the setup might have a godfather but nanook randomized the roles so it probably doesn't unless he considered the possibility of a town godfather (or maybe a role that always fools investigations on whatever side it is? Could be).

I don't wanna vote based on this tinfoil until the endgame, though. For now I'm gonna stay clear off Wilgy/LC.

lmao a role that's godfather if mafia and miller if town

i think that would be a little bastard

I'm saying it because a cop in a small setup like this is borderline OP if mafia doesn't have a godfather.

There's also the elements thing going on, in MJ's rolecard it precised that elements didn't matter so I guess it mattered for PSINE and that she got lucky.

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:58 pm i think, if there's 2 mafia left, and the poisoner is mafia, then we have one safe ML left? so we need a POE of 3?

i mean dov is definitely in that POE, i guess if wilgy is cleared that leaves me at dov/fatmo/carotenoid

I'm like 90% sure the poisoner is mafia here, makes no sense for chardonnay to be targeted otherwise.

But yeah, normally we have minimum 1 safe mischop left

Cayvie what are your reasons to clear DDL?

DDL do you think PSINE just randomly bolded 2 names in her list?

hmmn yeah the more I think about it the more I'm convinced these are green checks, she felt like she was dying so she most probably have put attention to her last post.

I also think LC & DrWilgy are probably town independently so it just feels good.

btw Cayvie I saw your association post, I don't have time to do rereading now but I will try to do so before EoD!

LC and Wilgy are bolded in her last read list, I feel like these are her 2 checks? I think it would make sense for PSINE to check people that are more on the middle/low-posting side to sort them better.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:42 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:08 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:25 am Unless its Carot/Marcher like you were saying, and yesterday was a hard save from Carot to pull the flip away from Marcher.

ehh DDL was my suspect #1 but never the person I wanted to flip first. Marcher was and still is the person I think we always have to flip but I didn't feel like it needed pages of debate so I just started to move on for after

Thanks for the response. THat does make sense.

So you are all for DDL tomorrow regardless Marcher flip? or mostly if Marcher flips mafia? (Forgive me if you already speificed, I am not sober rn haha)

idk. I've been thinking about flipping dov first if Marcher flips mafia. Right now I don't think Marcher truly thinks they have a chance of making dov flip over them, not sure if it's partner indicative or not.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:03 pm I just realized that Carotte may be hard-pocketing me and has been doing so for much of the game. It started when everyone else was suspecting me and she was the only one insisting she thought I was town, and has continued all the way up to her soft-defending me while attacking DDL. Very odd... I will look into this.

Or maybe I just initially thought you were town and gradually got more and more convinced you are fwiw I wasn't trying to soft defend you when I was attacking DDL but like, regardless of DDL you're pretty high in my townlist, enough for me to want to defend you if a wagon was to form on you.

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 pm Also, if you guys truly think I'm scum, please just vote for me already. I didn't have a good start in the game because I wasn't sure what was happening but if you want to get rid of some suspicion, may as well vote me off because I'm sure as time goes on, you will only think I'm scum. I don't think there's any other way I can persuade otherwise, do what you must do.

Yo dov. No one is truly convinced you're scum. It's okay you had a hard start. The game is still going and your input is always appreciated. Tell us what you think!

I'm not sure what to think of DDL deciding to lock me as scum.

idk I guess I'm a bit afraid of thunderdoming yet another town player and his flip on me doesn't really help me consider other options. Maybe this is the time I was right and that DDL really is a wolf but aaaaah idk riseyhflsreuibui

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:08 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:37 pm 1) I did not try to convince chardonnay that you didn't attack Jovian. I said that it was gentle and that I wasn't sure if your push was a bus or a misflip since that's what he was asking

"I did not SAY the thing you are saying, I just kind of implied it with soft words so he arrives at the conclusion by himself".

A.k.a. manipulation.[...]

He asked me what I thought of something, I gave my interpretation and said I was hesitating, yeah I must be manipulating him

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:25 am

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:06 am I'm going to hold off on voting Marcher for now, if only because I have this weird gut feeling we're walking into a trap. It feels too easy. I have no idea what I'm expecting to happen, and I'm probably wrong, but something in me is telling me to wait.

It feels weird how marcher is the only player that has been at rish of flipping for a couple day phases. If marcher is scum I think he is probably being bussed. Usally town dosnt come perfectly togather on a scum read. Scum wagons are harder to raise and maintain if the scum in question isn't getting bussed, and buddies are actively fighting it via counter wagons, distractions, w/e.

Unless its Carot/Marcher like you were saying, and yesterday was a hard save from Carot to pull the flip away from Marcher.

I should say that im still pretty ok with a Marcher flip. I almost wonder if the gladiator thing is a fake claim or something.

ehh DDL was my suspect #1 but never the person I wanted to flip first. Marcher was and still is the person I think we always have to flip but I didn't feel like it needed pages of debate so I just started to move on for after

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:56 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:47 am DJ flipped town so I don't really see how this argument is in your favour...

And I'm not sure why you interpreted it as me trying to use DJ's flip in my favor when instead I was just explaining why I was voting DJ at the time.

That's you being manipulative again. You make a leap of logic by portraying a post where I explain why I voted for someone whose alignment I didn't know, to being one where I try to look good for voting for a townie, when that's obviously not my intention.

It's like everyone can understand what I mean, except you, or you do understand what I mean by try to twist my posts to make it look bad.

Yes, I said I voted for a townie. This is not a freaking admission of guilt.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:02 pm Carotte I'm getting convinced you're bad.

Someone who is acting in good faith doesn't try to twist the things other people say or manipulate the thread into misunderstand me so many times like you did. That post where you try to convince chad that I wasn't actually attacking Jovian (when I was) is particularly scummy. If he doesn't do an ISO of me he may end up voting for me because you tricked him.

hmmmn let's just wind this back a little

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:47 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:21 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:39 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:31 pm @Carotenoid

Is DDL's push on Marcher a bus, or misflip?

I did notice he was really only gunning for DJ Star despite the hard Marcher SR yesterday.

I'm still conflicted. Like, regardless of everyone's alignemnet, I don't think MJ would have ever flipped on D1 right after they sub in, so the push kinda doesn't matter. Especially since DDL's push is pretty gentle, it's like "how did you find these precise posts in ten minutes?"
Idk it seems pretty obvious to me that they ISO'd top wagons and then there was no real follow-up, he hard scum-read Marcher entering D2 but was voting DJ so ehhh

I had this thought that Marcher/dov/DDL doesn't seem right and that I must be wrong but I can't remember why so maybe it wasn't important lol

Maybe that's looking gentle for you but I was pretty much announing Jovian was teammates with DJ and I said that multiple times.

For all you seem to be ISOing my posts you seem to be skipping the main points.

DJ flipped town so I don't really see how this argument is in your favour...

1) I did not try to convince chardonnay that you didn't attack Jovian. I said that it was gentle and that I wasn't sure if your push was a bus or a misflip since that's what he was asking
2) You reply this by saying that your push wasn't gentle because you repeated that DJ/Marcher is a pairing (implied: you are not w/w with Jovian because you pushed them)
3) I reply that I don't see how it's a good point for you because DJ flipped town. Like, my initial point still holds: your initial push of MJ was pretty gentle/easy to fake and you're pushing a pairing, not MJ. yeah I'm being picky or whatever but repeating that DJ + MJ is a pairing is NOT the same thing as pushing MJ because when DJ flips town necessarily you get to "reevaluate" since you previously anchored the DJ/MJ must be together idea

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:11 am[...]

Pre-edit

You mean MJ not saying something about Nutella flipping town?

Yeah!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:14 am @Carotenoid the exchanges between me and PSI are because I'm frustrated at a player who I believe is taking a very suboptimal approach to the game. Writing a big wall to defend their cases but not voting there and resigning herself that people won't listen to her before even trying to be listened to. It also annoyed me that Psi was already complaining about people not listening to her in another game, so I saw a parallel here.

This is somewhat independent of my reads of Psi, or UG for that matter. Granted the fact I was reading Psi made me more likely to try to empathise with Psi, but I still still assuming she could be scum, just not sure of it. As for UG, I was not suspecting him at the time but I want to see players doing townie things, so Psi doing something that was anti-town for me was a problem that needed addressing.

And no, I was not trolling. I do make jokes at people's expense sometimes (jokes, not "trolling") in mafia games, and I normally apologize to those pretty shortly.

hmn okay. For me the vibe of how you handled PSINE/UG is really similar to your Alison read at the beginning of the game that I had a problem with. Maybe you just have a really different perspective to the game and if so I'll learn to see it but at the moment there's nothing that's really compelling me to townread you.

Aw sorry for saying it felt like you were trolling, it was a bad word choice from my part.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:21 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:39 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:31 pm @Carotenoid

Is DDL's push on Marcher a bus, or misflip?

I did notice he was really only gunning for DJ Star despite the hard Marcher SR yesterday.

I'm still conflicted. Like, regardless of everyone's alignemnet, I don't think MJ would have ever flipped on D1 right after they sub in, so the push kinda doesn't matter. Especially since DDL's push is pretty gentle, it's like "how did you find these precise posts in ten minutes?"
Idk it seems pretty obvious to me that they ISO'd top wagons and then there was no real follow-up, he hard scum-read Marcher entering D2 but was voting DJ so ehhh

I had this thought that Marcher/dov/DDL doesn't seem right and that I must be wrong but I can't remember why so maybe it wasn't important lol

Maybe that's looking gentle for you but I was pretty much announing Jovian was teammates with DJ and I said that multiple times.

For all you seem to be ISOing my posts you seem to be skipping the main points.

DJ flipped town so I don't really see how this argument is in your favour...

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:22 am Carot I want to believe you are town but you keep twisting everything I say, or being pedantic about my posts, or making semantic arguments and logical fallacies.

It's like you care about me being yeeted more than you care about whether I'm a wolf or not.

I do not want to insta yeet you. Maybe it doesn't come across my posting but I do doubt my read of you a lot. Regardless I think that right now we should absolutely flip Marcher and then maybe dov, but what happens next? Like, unless you have a better option to propose, by elimination I think you have good chance of being a wolf.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:25 am Like Carot I'm trying to figure if you are manipulative scum or if you just have a personal beef with me.

I do not have beef with you! I'm sorry if it feels like I have some sort of personal grudge, it certainly isn't!