The Syndicate

I also want to point out, Tutuu was openwolfing so hard Day 1.

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This in particular. I had no intention of claiming doc from that post, but Tutuu suggested in scum chat I should prepare a docclaim in case of a Day 1 chop, and she took matters into her own hands.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:06 pm I wasn't a fan of some of the stuff that happened but I like Ted wasn't really properly engaged and once everyone started civ reading me for no good reason that kinda killed it for me.

I do want it noted that Marmot tried to get me lynched so shame on him.

At least this time it was due to Syn spew and not anything you said specifically

Sorry, I shoulda let him keep playing

Yo @sig, game's over.

Happy birthday @tutuu!!! I'm sorry we couldn't get a win for your birthday, I hope a screaming marmot will do.

Guy's, I don't think Tutuu's scum, her town game is too good. It's so good I didn't even realize the game had ended!!!!!

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:06 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:02 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:17 pm Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one.
Marmot knows that Wilgy always enters the game claiming to be a doctor as a running joke, but asks whether or not it was a real claim afterwards, when they should have known it was just the standard Wilgy opener and NAI. I think he was rolefishing.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
But. He's since seriously claimed?
Yes, he has. But I'm talking about Marmot's thought process when he asked if Wilgy was the doctor in #877. At that point in time, Wilgy had not yet hardclaimed. So what reason is there for Marmot to bring up Wilgy's post 1 as a potential doc claim, if he knows that Wilgy does this every game?

That was sarcasm. I didn't think DrWilgy was a doctor there, I read his post as "I don't know what's going on", and, not wanting there to be another doctor claim to deal with, jokingly told him not to confirm his first post.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:35 pm marmot hasn't done much this game, a bit of hunting sure but not alot. So he's a null for me.

He does keep calling me out a bit, which i'm not a fan of. However, the days of sig getting easily mislynched are gone (maybe) so could this be a potential scape goat or what?

I couldn't resist pointing you to something someone said in a different game just now.

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:30 pm All things considered regarding the claim fuckery,

I think resolving Alison rn is safe because that can point us towards Tutuu or Esoaa without risking the other doctor.

Protections are weird rn because I'd need to choose correct between Tutuu or Esooa.

I disagree. If you're a doc, wouldn't it make more sense for you to want to 50/50 the other two docs with one misyeet available?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:19 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:17 pm Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one. Also, Wilgy isn't pushing his claim until now, at a moment when he and Alison are the leading wagons.

I guess I'm a leading wagon too, but whatever

I'll take a look at esooa and tutuu later
Oh godammit Marmot friend. I thought you had seen my actual claim in the following:
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:31 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:57 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:35 am I'm not sure what to think of this. My first thought was "that's a cool gif, wtf am I reading?"

Does this make sense?

...Or am I just dumb? Could be Im just dumb... Yeah I'm too dumb to understand, let's hope Tutuu is correct.

Just please don't tell us your first post of the game was actually a doc claim.
He saw my claim and didn't shoot me lol
The first character in each sentence in my original quote in this blurb. Did you not see that and then randomly commented about my intro after? I M D O C Y - I'm Doc.

Yes I'm a doctor.

Sorry friend, I missed it. I said what I said there because I didn't want to deal with yet another doc claim at the time.

Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one. Also, Wilgy isn't pushing his claim until now, at a moment when he and Alison are the leading wagons.

I guess I'm a leading wagon too, but whatever

I'll take a look at esooa and tutuu later

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[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I gotta run. But we've got some doctor stuff to resolve.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:04 pm I'm actually the doctor

Same tho!

Now's yr chance ted

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:50 pm Is tutuu confirmed outside of hearsay?

Is tutuu alison a concept and the claim ordeal was used to save the temmie?

Is anyone confirmed though? Esooa and tutuu are confirmed just by the fact that there were two claims. But if there's three

Reading through Wilgy's iso, an Alison/Wilgy team is possible.

There's this post from Alison:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:39 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:34 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:37 pm Alison can you explain your read on wiggly
It feels like he's trying kinda hard to solve the game. I think specifically the way he engaged with ted was good and authentic, and my experience with Wilgy is that he tends to slank more as scum (see: Making Friends). He also slanks as town sometimes, but there's little bursts of effort that shows he has a real townie mindset, whereas when he's scum he just hard trolls/open wolfs
I think it's pretty easy for a wolf not getting scum read who joins the thread to go back and forth between two towns, which would be the case if you are town. He was asking questions but not giving much input so I couldn't see any townie reasoning. I think it makes a lot of sense for a wolf to come into a situation with two town death tunneling eachother and they just ask questions and go between them to seem solvey and get town cred. What do you think of this?
I don't see why scum Wilgy feels obligated to do anything. He can just sit there and let me go over. No need to put his hand in the pie. I also don't think the way he treated me/you was in the position of a wolf egging two townies to attack each other - do you have posts that show why you think that way? Also, it's not particularly scummy for Wilgy to ask questions but not give much input, not sure why you think that. That's just the way he plays, and he's made genuine contributions to the gamestate.

It's not wrong. Wilgy did enter the thread in a game-solvy sort of way. Wilgy posed a scumread of Alison pretty quickly, fished for teammate ideas from ted, then eventually equating wolf Alison to frustrated townie.

I think Alison looks worse from this than Wilgy does tho.

Linki: yeah but do you have a phd? I don't know what to believe anymore

Wait, are you for serious Wilgy???

Nobody killed me after my softclaim either.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:30 pm Gonna say, I'm pretty sure it's not Marmot.

I think I'd be dead if he was.

You have successfully pocketed a marmot! Would you like to add him to your party?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:16 pm Though Alison does look pretty bad from this, Syn waffles just enough on her that had she flipped she'd have been fine.

You used she twice here, are you referring to Alison both times?

Oh lol, you do want to talk about Alison.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:15 pm I don't like the direction of this investigation Marmot, I order you to cease and desist immediately

Scum confirmed

Can we talk about Alison?

I'm still having trouble connecting her pushing hard for her chop on Day 2 as a scum player. I get self-voting as scum, I do it all the time.

That behavior is not something I'm familiar with aside from frustrated townie.

The only thing I can think of is that she knew that esooa was a doc and wanted to chop her. But even then, in what world would we chop esooa after flipping scum Alison?

At this moment: ted and Wilgy

Wow, Syn managed to avoid interactions with or even talk about many player who aren't a doc or at this point a dead VT. There were two exceptions though

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:05 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:51 am @Syn @Marmot sup bois where u at
nanook, mac, poison, tutuu town

esoo, marmot, ted woof

alison deep woof or great town

rest null

bask in the glory of my unexplained low-effort gut reads

tbh the only shaped read I have is on Esoo and everyone has already said everything there is to be said on that, and I hate just echoing things

We have a read list here. This also points to Ted and I not being partners, there's no way Syn would list his two partners as scumreads with a claimed doc? He had given no reason prior in the game to list either of them as scum. I guess esooa and I had votes, an easy reason, but why ted? Did he have votes Day 1?

I think everyone else has some scum equity based on this list, everyone else being DrWilgy, Alison, sig.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:42 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:36 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:59 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:59 am Ok. I agree with you that no one in this game has been particularly townie. That's one reason I feel pretty scum vibes from syn. Idk how accurate I am in any of my reads, forum is harder to read in general imo, but I don't like how he comes to the thread to echo the opinions of Alison, who has been doing next to all of the work this game. I feel similarly about nanook but if he's rly just gonna be like that then what ever. But I feel like there's a good possibility wolves are fine just going along with Alison and not adding much. That's why I never really thought you were scummy too, because you did agree with Alison but you put your own thoughts into it.
me: I haven't said much because I don't want to echo people
esooa right after: syn is scummy because all he's doing is echoing people

smh
like posting a naked reads list that is the exact mood of the thread.. And you don't have anything to say that isn't just echoing people?
if being spicy is a requirement, I'm lock-towning sig

Speaking of sig, sig somehow went from null to lock-town. And the only thing sig had said in the meantime were these two posts: 1, 2

Spicy indeed.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:10 am
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:01 am Alison, Marmot, or wilgy is really the pov at this point.

Ted still has some good will from his d1 vote. He could be deep wolfing. But, I'd rather not risk another wasted day on that.
agree with everything

i dont think ted can be with marmot, it would have been suicidal for wolf!ted

don't think its alison + ted either

i kinda dont feel like alison + marmot can be a thing even tho its a bit of a stretch. i just feel like the way she wanted to suicide - why do that when marmot was next on the chopping block for literally everyone?

i could see maybe alison + sigurd in some weird weird world

i really do think wilgy fits with absolutely everyone and is the correct yeet

marmot is also probably scum, but he is most likely with wilgy imo

I mean, I woulda loved to role mafia with Wilgy two games in a row.

At least we have two players we absolutely can't yeet today in esooa and tutuu.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:03 am Did alot of people vote without giving any reasoning or dropping it in the thread or what?

Is this going to be like every other game I've played since returning from hiatus? We catch mafia Day 1, then get a couple misyeets, then activity drops off a cliff and mafia wins?

Wow autocorrect

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:31 am I think drwilgy can be mafia with pretty much anyone whereas with marmot i think the possible combinations are much lower

So i think drwilgy being yeeted first is optimal should you agree with what i just said, even if u think marmot is independently scummier

Marmot is not indecently scummier because I've seen his rolecard.

Lol, I was just starting to wonder where you were falcon.

Why is sig derpcleared, and is it something we can talk about?

LC might be learning something, but I feel like I haven't learned anything.

So do alter-egos.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:13 pm I think I know who the doctors are, and I don't understand why you'd add another claim to the mix of those people. I think claiming early to cover for them makes sense (see tutuu in Making Friends claiming Mason), but cc'ing at this point in the game doesn't.
so it's okay to cover early in the game but as soon as day 2 starts it's way too late.

You understand that I don't come from a heavy claiming culture, yet I'm probably scum trying to brute force my way past two genuine claims.

You are very likely a wolf.

?

CC'ing as a VT that is.

I think I know who the doctors are, and I don't understand why you'd add another claim to the mix of those people. I think claiming early to cover for them makes sense (see tutuu in Making Friends claiming Mason), but cc'ing at this point in the game doesn't.

The Syndicate isn't exactly known for its roleclaims. Heck roleclaiming was typically against the rules for the first few years of the Syndicate's existence.

Way to go tutuu! You caught em! I couldn't find a marmot patting your head, so this'll have to do.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:35 am I'm not sure what to think of this. My first thought was "that's a cool gif, wtf am I reading?"

Does this make sense?

...Or am I just dumb? Could be Im just dumb... Yeah I'm too dumb to understand, let's hope Tutuu is correct.

Just please don't tell us your first post of the game was actually a doc claim.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:20 pm Here's my proposal. Exe me, and before you do, listen to my words, and engage with them, and treat them as though they were true. Since I'm guaranteed to die regardless, you are all going to ignore what I say if I flip red anyway. But when I flip green you will be glad you took the chance to talk to me when I'm still alive. Proceeding on the assumption that Esooa + LC are indeed the docs:

My towncore is as follows: the docs/tutuu/Falcon/sig. Obviously re-evaluate if one of them drops off sharply, but this is where I'm at right now.

If I haven't miscleared one of them, the mafia is in Marmot/Wilgy/ted, and if there's two there then we have auto. Now, my personal read on these three is ted -> Marmot -> Wilgy for exe order, but I think Marmot -> ted -> Wilgy is acceptable if you want to give ted some credit for being on the Syn wagon, or if you want to respect Mac's solve. I will say that I think Wilgy is by far the towniest player of the three and I nearly towncored him. I will also say that if I'm misclearing someone in the towncore it's most likely sig, as the other clears are stronger.

In a world where Alison is scum, after reading this post, I now think one of the "docs" is actually scum partners with Al. Probably not esooa, so it'd be either Tutuu or Long Con.

Although I do find it odd that Alison doesn't categorize tutuu as a doc here. Tmi?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:24 pm I want everyone to explain to me their logic for the Allison vote. She literally started saying we should lynch her before she got any attention correct? Even without this the original scum strategy doesn't make sense. Though now I see she's trying to save herself so maybe I'm missing something and need to reevaluate

It's a counter wagon to me.

Actually, I've no idea what others think of him, but I'm giving him town cred.

sig has some town cred because of his vote on Syn.

Yo @sig, talk to me about your reads. You're voting for me and LC. LC is also voting for me. Do you think we're scummates?

Oops, I forgot ted had talked to me

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:58 am this Alison / Esooa talk doesn’t help at all. Alison’s gonna be the default yeet for the day and wasting time arguing with them doesn’t do anything.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:48 am Ted hasn't posted yet today, but he's voted. I don't like that.

Long Con is sheeping, but I can't blame him since I sheeped him yesterday.
Marmot, are you saying I’m scum because I didn’t make my vote acknowledged in thread? Why’s it such a scummy thing?

No. I had browsed your iso, and saw you'd at least made accusations against me the previous day. But I'm also guilty of forgetting to post when I vote. I still don't like it though

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:59 am and also, if you can, you’ve read the entire D1 thread, right? (to marmot)

Nope!

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