The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:53 pm Oh shit. @Long Con I only just now noticed the little flash of The Boy. That's terrifying and perfect.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:43 pm Also is there a scum chat link

No, we detonated it immediately.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:42 pm @Long Con why did you kill TSP?

We knew it was likely he was a one-shot, but we couldn't take that chance.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:28 pm Epi, @Long Con and @Made good game. LC this is why I always have to keep in mind that you are slippery! You are very good at it!

Are you making fun of me?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:16 pm im not terrible at mafia

happy for u

I thought I was going to get in trouble.

Yeah, they were hauntings. First one was a fail, roleblocking GuilloMartin. Second one was a waste, cutting Sean's vote in half. Third one would have locked someone's vote, so they have to vote once and not change.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:03 pm good game lc, super well played

Good game Hally, Marmot, Radishes, tutuu, juliets, and Seanzie, extra super duper well played!

Yeah, I'm not posting for the next few days on a hopeless cause. Let's just start another game.

No, it's true, that was the point that I pretty much gave up trying to win this game. Good game, town. I won't waste your time. I needed Marmot to go down to stand a chance, and it had become obvious that wasn't going to happen.

Search 'Long Con' and 'slanking'? I don't know.

I can remember a bunch of times that I've gotten fed up that no one really listens to me or reads my posts all that much. It literally defined my playstyle for a year or more recently, until I got tired of it and tried a few games where I was doing a schtick, like rhyming, or talking in self-narration. Now I see why I went that way.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:15 pm scum!lc after the tides turned against him in grasslands:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 am Ok cool. That may be the last time you ever see me try. Good luck!
lc after the tides turned against him this game:
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:18 pm Ok, you guys play the game. Good luck, I hope we win.
does lc ever respond this way as town?

LOL as though that's the only two times I've ever said something like that. It's a pretty regular thing.

Ok, you guys play the game. Good luck, I hope we win.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:14 pm i’m just living and dying with a radishes/lc poe. if it’s wrong it’s wrong. i can’t put any more thought into this game

How is Marmot not in your POE, that's completely bonkers.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:41 pm Like I don't know if it's wolf MR trying to take me down, or town MR having a very bad game. The hug is pretty good either way.
you want to hug him if he’s a wolf?

The hug would have a mocking interpretation in that event.

Please let me go.

I'm just addicted to reading New Posts right now. I have to go out and stop looking.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:40 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:31 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:23 pm Nope, one more bit of confbias.

LC felt grumpy not long ago, and suddenly his attitude feels light and jokey.

Feels like a sudden and deliberate shift.

....Okay now I'll stop tunneling. For now.
i like this observation but i’m also light and jokey now too

but i don’t get his hugging emoji to you. what is that about?
I assume he's being comforting because I've clearly had a bad game and am desperate to have something put me in a good light.

(...but no, I don't get why v!LC, seeing the slanker come after him too, reacts that way.)
but that requires him to think you’re town? and be weirdly okay with you suspecting him? that he hugs you? i’m just confused by that reaction but i might be nitpicking
I was hugging him because he said he had a bad game. It wasn't a commentary on the state of his suspicions or his alignment.
can you offer a commentary on the state of his suspicions and his alignment then?

Not right now. I'm trying to exit this conversation because it's gone on too long at this time, and I want to get going with my day. We have entirely too much time to talk about all these things, frankly. I'll be back later.

Like I don't know if it's wolf MR trying to take me down, or town MR having a very bad game. The hug is pretty good either way.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:31 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:23 pm Nope, one more bit of confbias.

LC felt grumpy not long ago, and suddenly his attitude feels light and jokey.

Feels like a sudden and deliberate shift.

....Okay now I'll stop tunneling. For now.
i like this observation but i’m also light and jokey now too

but i don’t get his hugging emoji to you. what is that about?
I assume he's being comforting because I've clearly had a bad game and am desperate to have something put me in a good light.

(...but no, I don't get why v!LC, seeing the slanker come after him too, reacts that way.)
but that requires him to think you’re town? and be weirdly okay with you suspecting him? that he hugs you? i’m just confused by that reaction but i might be nitpicking

I was hugging him because he said he had a bad game. It wasn't a commentary on the state of his suspicions or his alignment.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:28 pmbut i count that as a win

nah

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:27 pm What's the latest stance on Seanzie btw? I've missed any reason why he's not a part of this conversation.

Total purity off Made interactions, I think.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:25 pm I don't want it to be Marmot because that would make, what was it, 6 games in a row as scum? I can't fathom that.

On a serious note, surely w!Marmot would continue to play in a style that's worked, and I think I've seen people say this doesn't look all that similar to previous w!Marmot games? But tbh I just don't want to do the work of casing anyone else if I can get away with not doing it.

Did he win those games? Are those stats legit? 6 in a row??

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm Also I really hope it's Long Con because then I can at least hang my hat on something in this god awful game of mine.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:23 pm Nope, one more bit of confbias.

LC felt grumpy not long ago, and suddenly his attitude feels light and jokey.

Feels like a sudden and deliberate shift.

....Okay now I'll stop tunneling. For now.

I do feel better now. I was grumpy not long ago. Because I woke up to- FUCK MAN HOW MANY TIMES do I have to say the same thing what is this even

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:20 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:15 pm checked my notfs and skimmed thru

i will put more effort in once epi and jules are dead

i watched a video on deep sea anglerfish recently. the amount of food is extremely scarce in the deep wates. so they make no movements, as if they are dead, to conserve every single calorie they can

in addition when mating, in some species the male bites onto the female and they fuse each other. temporarily, and in some species permanently, their organs and nervous system and blood system fuses, and the male constantly provides the female with reproductive cell in exchange for nutrients. a female can have up to two or more males attached at the same tim

in addition, their teeth are transparent so as to not alert their prety
*bites tutuu*

HA ha just kidding you thought it was but my teeth were transparent so not really

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.
My main concern is not that you're accusing Hally of doing the wrong thing, but that you're focusing a lot of attention on getting me chopped when I know perfectly well that I shouldn't be, and that you've found no reason for me to be town when there is plenty of reason for me to be town.

I'm not upset, but I am riled up.
I'm riled up too. Last night Hally and tutuu were fighting over who gets to put more floral garlands around my neck, and this morning I wake up to twenty posts from Hally in a row calling every post I have made this game scummy. I'm just starting to respond to it when Smarmot comes in with single-emoji-post sass.
Remember when I corrected you that I scumread Epignosis (you thought otherwise), and you decided that I must therefore be his teammate?

Ok, maybe it didn't exactly go like that. But I just don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

I remember. I just don't see how you can say you don't understand when I said it pretty plainly when I was looking at your posts.

Like... I quoted your posts and said why I thought they were teammate-indicative. You only put pressure on him when it was safe, and never when he was in danger.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm well we gotta admit that every single living player at this point has at least once expressed frustration except jules but she doesnt count for this anyway

so whoever is the mafia, we know that they are faking it / playing it up. at least thats a fact we know

And that's the way
we all became
The AtE Bunch!

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm Also I really hope it's Long Con because then I can at least hang my hat on something in this god awful game of mine.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:15 pm checked my notfs and skimmed thru

i will put more effort in once epi and jules are dead

i watched a video on deep sea anglerfish recently. the amount of food is extremely scarce in the deep wates. so they make no movements, as if they are dead, to conserve every single calorie they can

in addition when mating, in some species the male bites onto the female and they fuse each other. temporarily, and in some species permanently, their organs and nervous system and blood system fuses, and the male constantly provides the female with reproductive cell in exchange for nutrients. a female can have up to two or more males attached at the same tim

in addition, their teeth are transparent so as to not alert their prety

*bites tutuu*

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.
My main concern is not that you're accusing Hally of doing the wrong thing, but that you're focusing a lot of attention on getting me chopped when I know perfectly well that I shouldn't be, and that you've found no reason for me to be town when there is plenty of reason for me to be town.

I'm not upset, but I am riled up.

I'm riled up too. Last night Hally and tutuu were fighting over who gets to put more floral garlands around my neck, and this morning I wake up to twenty posts from Hally in a row calling every post I have made this game scummy. I'm just starting to respond to it when Smarmot comes in with single-emoji-post sass.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:10 pm but i think tutuu is probably just town. like for real. if she’s not then lolme but her made stuff and how he treated her doesn’t look teamed, i agree

Is there any other reason? Epi voting Made was long held as the reason he's not scum.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:04 pm I remember Assassin's Creed (not very well but sort of). I think I ended up having 3 of 4 scum wagon me to get me chopped in that one.

One of the underlying concerns I have with LC this game is how different he sounds to the LC I know from my own experience. But I'm trying to prevent myself lending serious weight to that because most times I've played with LC he's clearly slanking a bit due to irl and so on, and I don't want to scumread him just for being more engaged than I remember, because that's stupid. But I do feel there's something different about how he's playing. He's more...switched on, more entangled in the minutiae of the game, more willing to get into point-for-point discussions. The v!LC I remember isn't afraid to slank a bit, doesn't really justify his reads very much, shows no care about his own image, etc. I don't see that here.

This is a stupid basis for a scumread and not one I'm willing to stake the game on, but that's where I've been at with LC all game.

Usually when I'm more talkative I get suspected more, pretty much on a 1:1 ratio. That's why I usually slank, and why I intentionally slank as scum.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:58 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:54 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:43 pm I'm not kidding you LC, you're hardcore tunneling on me, and accusing Hally of tunneling/confirmation biasing.
Maybe? Because I feel like quoting me and just posting " " is what a guy does when he wants to make someone seem suspicious, but has no words to say to make it happen.
I hoped you would notice your behavior without me having to say anything.
"My behavior"? You mean you falsely interpreting a post I made so as to put suspicion on me? I did notice that.
What did I falsely interpret?
You said I called a post that called me town a confirmation bias, when I was not specifically addressing that post.
Fuck the semantics.

Hally was going through your iso and pulling posts. Many of them they found sus, a few of them they found townie. You quoted one such post from them where they thought you looked townie, and told them they were confirmation biasing.

The definition of confirmation bias: the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.

How is Hally's behavior here confirmation bias? How is your behavior not confirmation bias.

My argument is not that you're calling that post confirmation bias, but rather calling Hally's whole list of quotes they pulled from you confirmation bias, which is false. I used that post as an example that it's not confirmation bias.

She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:55 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:51 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:57 am because although radishes is a capable wolf, he’s not a confident one really.
What evidence do you have I'm capable? You've seen me try to wolf before.

I actually had a decent wolf game recently on MU. We lost, but I got very little attention and a lot of towncred for a good three or four rounds before things fell apart due to mechanics. I'm pretty proud of it tbh considering how bad my scum games have been in 2020.
i mean, i think you’re clearly not a bad wolf. you’re just different from how you are as town
Have you looked at my successful wolf games this year?
well i just looked at assassin’s creed. i don’t know what i think. i don’t know anything anymore

You should check that one out, and also Ziggy Stardust. I did some amazing things for the wolf win. Then you should go vote again for the Best Mafioso Socky.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:00 pm I'm not ready to get into an argument, and am going to dip from the thread again soon.

But this

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:16 pm You are really deep into the confirmation bias, Hally. What an ugly thing to wake up to. Suddenly every single interaction I've had with Epi is suspicious, whether I'm accusing him of being bad, or giving him a pass.

Take a look at Assassin's Creed if you want to see how I interact with Epi when we're bad together. I did not bus him, I voted him once when he was almost hammered, in a regrettably awkward way that frankly should have outed me. I don't bus Epignosis. He fucking hates it.
just feels like a post I write (or want to write) when I'm scum and am caught. Not the sentiment - I definitely get frustrated at percieved confbias when town too - but how it's phrased, how he refers to a past game, etc.

Hally was already bringing up past games just a few posts earlier, but not games where Epi and I were bad together.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:58 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:54 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:43 pm I'm not kidding you LC, you're hardcore tunneling on me, and accusing Hally of tunneling/confirmation biasing.
Maybe? Because I feel like quoting me and just posting " " is what a guy does when he wants to make someone seem suspicious, but has no words to say to make it happen.
I hoped you would notice your behavior without me having to say anything.
"My behavior"? You mean you falsely interpreting a post I made so as to put suspicion on me? I did notice that.
What did I falsely interpret?

You said I called a post that called me town a confirmation bias, when I was not specifically addressing that post.

*last year

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:51 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:57 am because although radishes is a capable wolf, he’s not a confident one really.
What evidence do you have I'm capable? You've seen me try to wolf before.

I actually had a decent wolf game recently on MU. We lost, but I got very little attention and a lot of towncred for a good three or four rounds before things fell apart due to mechanics. I'm pretty proud of it tbh considering how bad my scum games have been in 2020.
i mean, i think you’re clearly not a bad wolf. you’re just different from how you are as town

Have you looked at my successful wolf games this year?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:51 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:46 pm i’m gonna be real, i’m also bad at reading lc. i thought he was closer to his town game. and dizzy also did. but i don’t know now. i don’t know if my read on him is any good
I agree with you. But I know I'm town, and from my pov, it looks like LC is trying to fit a narrative where Epi and I are teammates, and not considering other options.
well that’s not necessarily scummy. scum probably want to keep their options more open, right?

like, are you clearing him? or is this meant as suspicion?

He knows I'm town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:43 pm I'm not kidding you LC, you're hardcore tunneling on me, and accusing Hally of tunneling/confirmation biasing.
Maybe? Because I feel like quoting me and just posting " " is what a guy does when he wants to make someone seem suspicious, but has no words to say to make it happen.
I hoped you would notice your behavior without me having to say anything.

"My behavior"? You mean you falsely interpreting a post I made so as to put suspicion on me? I did notice that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:51 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:46 pm i’m gonna be real, i’m also bad at reading lc. i thought he was closer to his town game. and dizzy also did. but i don’t know now. i don’t know if my read on him is any good
I agree with you. But I know I'm town, and from my pov, it looks like LC is trying to fit a narrative where Epi and I are teammates, and not considering other options.

I don't see how you can say that, my analysis of you and Epi was legit... you haven't even contradicted a single point I've made about how you two treated each other all game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:43 pm I'm not kidding you LC, you're hardcore tunneling on me, and accusing Hally of tunneling/confirmation biasing.

Maybe? Because I feel like quoting me and just posting "

" is what a guy does when he wants to make someone seem suspicious, but has no words to say to make it happen.

*made after

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:42 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:31 pm marmot, what are your thoughts on the things i’ve been saying? you were clearing lc before. what about now?
My thoughts. I still would like to clear LC. In general, in my eyes, he was very proactive in trying to chop Epi which is a great look, especially after Made died. However, what I can't justify just now, is why LC is accusing you of confirmation biasing, in response to a post where you said he looked townie, and also after he has been exhibiting said behavior toward me. After pulling some posts you found suspicious, that is the quite certainly not confirmation bias because you're looking at the other side of the coin.

I dislike that response from him.

I'm in the middle of some vote analysis, and I'm hoping that might reveal something.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but my 'confirmation bias' statement was mad eafter reading, like, twenty posts where Hally quoted me and figured out a way that I could be scum and say it. I wasn't specifically referring to a post where she said I'm town.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:37 pm because epi also “never” busses, but he did it this game

This is a good time to put that legend to rest then, isn't it?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:37 pm @Long Con are you telling me you’ve never bussed epi as w/w? never ever?

Assassin's Creed is the only game I can remember that we were bad together. I'm sure there are more, but it would take some Hall of Fame/Museum of Mafioso research.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:24 pm
This is a conversation we had already in this game. I don't understand how you could think this post is good, and yet you just RE-accused me of scum-related contradiction a few posts ago. Actually I do understand... like I said, you are deep in a confirmation bias tunnel, where suddenly everything I have ever done is scummy. Please leave the tunnel, I'm not the one.

Are you kidding me with this?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:29 pm lc, is your poe just radishes/marmot? i really don’t think it’s radishes anymore. can you sell me more on marmot?

No, I really can't, not without repeating myself again. Read my posts if you like, they're there. I was shoving them right into your face yesterday, but I don't think you were interested in reading them.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:43 am I've read your analysis Hally and it is quite good. I still will look at LC myself, here and hopefully in another game. I will be interested to hear LC's replies to your points.

Assassin's Creed is the one where Epi and I are bad together. Also the one where I self-voted to win the game.

Just one of a couple of brilliant and masterful Long Con-crafted wolf wins from the year 2020.

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