The Syndicate

Sabi isn't intentionally trying to hammer to end the day early, trust me lol

They're playing pro-town as far as I'm concerned rn

If they're a wolf they're doing a good job of trying to act towny but I'm much less concerned about it than you are

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:02 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:00 pm Sabi trying to hammer is weird.

I asked for anyone in the thread to hammer to shut down lily's attempt to hunt for a town pr

THIS @Seanzie JESUS CHRIST GET OUT OF THE TUNNEL

This is why I pointed out earlier that when I said I didn't want to hammer yet, you also unvoted after me

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:01 pm Seanzie/Porscha/Dennis
Neon/Wilgy
----
Outer PoE:
Sabi (I think she's town)
Nook (probably town)
Pyxxy (???? he didn't even post today)
Falcon (probably scum with lily)

This is my legacy
Go ahead and hammer tbh
We aren't forcing the other PR to out

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:00 pm Sabi trying to hammer is weird.

I asked for anyone in the thread to hammer to shut down lily's attempt to hunt for a town pr

Seanzie/Porscha/Dennis
Neon/Wilgy
----
Outer PoE:
Sabi (I think she's town)
Nook (probably town)
Pyxxy (???? he didn't even post today)
Falcon (probably scum with lily)

I fully expect that the other wolves would just want to bus lily for this btw
I should probably leave a quick legacy before we hammer but my thoughts are pretty clear now

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:56 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:55 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:53 pm Seanzie/sabi/falcon (maybe nook instead of falcon)

Legacy

Hammer me and turbo seanzie tomorrow thx

What about WWA? Would it not make sense for them to be bad if they claimed to stop your block?

She's in anti spew I guess. None of this makes sense in any pov

She's in antispew and also trying to smoke out the last town PR
I'm completely sure of that
Seanzie is just the least problematic to antispew because everyone already thinks he's town after me. Idk why she didn't claim to RB me instead but like none of this makes sense so I guess she just wanted a cc, didn't get it, and has now given up.

Like at least she tried but it was too hasty after being completely gone for 20 hours.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:53 pm Seanzie/sabi/falcon (maybe nook instead of falcon)

Legacy

Hammer me and turbo seanzie tomorrow thx

And... Why am I not scum? Why is falcon suddenly scum when you hard defended him yesterday?

Basically the worlds are as follows:

I'm town, I jailed Lily, Lily carried the kill
I'm town, I jailed Lily, I was RB'd, Lily RB'd Seanzie, Seanzie carried the kill
I'm mafia, I lied about my jail since D1, and despite knowing that town would never RB me on an even night, I did not carry the kill and instead told Seanzie to do it and he got blocked by Lily.
Lily and I are both mafia putting on one hell of a show.

Like, come on, what do you really think is the answer here?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:51 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:48 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:45 pm Hwyb did it t awe lily 20bours to say anything

Idk, I woke up and saw that I wasn't dead yet and checked thread and saw that the kill had been blocked so I started posting immediately because I was excited

Idk why that wouldn't be exciting for a town PR

I thought it was obvious from my 1st post that I hadn't checked thread at all. I just woke up recently and when the day started I was busy

Big doubt

Why? It's pretty clear I've been busy throughout this entire game

If you're actually the town RBer then who did you RB on N1?

Heck, even if I'm wrong and it isn't a protect setup, she could still be fishing for a town roleblocker cc

In all cases there is someone who can directly disprove her claim by cc'ing her and I think it's entirely unnecessary to out the other pr

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:49 pm Lily when you play as pr you are really obvious and you didn't play like a pr this game so more doubt

Lily was consensus townread on D1 and then felt like she dropped in towniness on D2 after that was established
That's not a PR play and why I'm certain she's just trying to rolefish for a counterclaim

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:49 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:46 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:45 pm I legit think this is an effort to smoke out the doctor
Nook, I get that you're probably town but you have spewed your role as vanilla at least twice by now, on D1 and again right now, so please stop.

Eh im already spewed vt

Yeah I'm not worried about you, I'm worried you're accidentally gonna out info that might put the doctor in danger

Given that I don't know who the doc is, if we have one, I don't see how I could spew them lol

Not spew but like accidentally make a very good point that narrows down the pool for potential doctors

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:48 pm Should I hammer

Maybe
I mean, lily isn't gonna suddenly flip RBer

@Seanzie get in here, cause Lily is claiming to have roleblocked you which I believe 0%

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:47 pm @WindwardAway Wait I don't see how mech works that way I just read it

Why would mafia roleblocker not block you and stop you from jailing me?

Why did it take you almost an entire day phase to claim your action, after I claimed at the start of day that I'd jailed you???

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:46 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:45 pm I legit think this is an effort to smoke out the doctor
Nook, I get that you're probably town but you have spewed your role as vanilla at least twice by now, on D1 and again right now, so please stop.

Eh im already spewed vt

Yeah I'm not worried about you, I'm worried you're accidentally gonna out info that might put the doctor in danger

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:45 pm Hwyb did it t awe lily 20bours to say anything

Idk, I woke up and saw that I wasn't dead yet and checked thread and saw that the kill had been blocked so I started posting immediately because I was excited

Idk why that wouldn't be exciting for a town PR

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:44 pm I guess if mech works that way then wwa is a wolf who has just been coasting this whole time? wwa/seanzie/x

Yeah your claim is directly in conflict with mine
We cannot both be town and I'm not letting you PR hunt for the doctor today

I legit think this is an effort to smoke out the doctor
Nook, I get that you're probably town but you have spewed your role as vanilla at least twice by now, on D1 and again right now, so please stop.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:43 pm Ok so worst case scenario is we're in 6 and mafia rbed wwa, which let lily's block on sean go through, which stopped the nk.

Which is technically possible and like...kind of works with n1, I think, if mafia know they're leaving wwa alive n2 and are rb hunting, but im...not completely sure why they would?

Idk I think lily red is still the most likely but im gonna think about it

Why can't a red check just be simple lol

Do you really believe seanzie is mafia and that lily waited to claim RBer until she was literally about to get elimmed

For lily to be telling the truth, you have to believe that seanzie is mafia who carried the kill and that I'm also mafia, and that literally nobody cc'ed me as town jk in 3 days.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:38 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:37 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:36 pm Lily says she blocked sean, wwa says she jailed Lily, there was no nk and mafia almost certainly targeted wwa...

So both things can't be true, yeah? Someone fact check me but I think that's right

Yea and the fact like lily knew wwa was jailkeep and didn't say anything nor did she use her roleblocked on wwa says a lot about the claim.

Why Seanzie?

Wdym why sean?

The first bit I dknt think actually matters, 6 has both roleblocker and even night jk, they aren't incompatible claims in a vacuum, it's just last night's claimed actions that make it a difference check

Why would she roleblocked Seanzie of all people if that's her claim

It makes no sense for her to claim that since her iso is clear from any Seanzie sr.

As I said, the kill can't possibly go missing unless I blocked it

I think this is a last-ditch effort to smoke out the doctor claim so maybe we really should hammer to stop the doctor from unnecessarily cc'ing

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:40 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:38 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:33 pm I don't believe lily claim because why sit on it for three game days?

She isn't RBer and even if she were, read the OP, my jail would've processed on top of her RB as you said. The kill would not have gone missing if Lily is RBer because any action from her wouldn't have reached Seanzie.

Ohhhh. Now I'm really confused

No you're not
I guarantee 100% that I jailed you
Ergo, you are the only one who possibly couldve tried to kill me last night.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:39 pm Like lily this is quite literally bad on you and you can't even try to town slip this because it was common knowledge wwa was jailkeep.

Also why would you roleblocked Seanzie of all people

It's just antispew
Maybe to try to knock seanzie out of the towncore, idk, but it ain't working
I gotta finish cleaning a terrarium but I'm checking thread

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:12 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:04 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:10 pm It's incredible how three people including ones I think are town don't want to do any solving work today

If you really want to hammer I guess we might as well if you're going to sit back and refuse to do anything else besides hammer Lily with the information we have

Solving is for days theres no red check lol

That's how we lose town leaders wtf

That sounds like something I definitely care about

No one forced you to play this game. Why do you sign up for games and not play.

Well now he's playing lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:33 pm I don't believe lily claim because why sit on it for three game days?

She isn't RBer and even if she were, read the OP, my jail would've processed on top of her RB as you said. The kill would not have gone missing if Lily is RBer because any action from her wouldn't have reached Seanzie.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:00 pm Well that was weird...

No one died.

It is now Day 3! The Day will end in 48 hours on Monday, March 27 at 10PM EST.

Your post limit for Day 3 are as follows. The first number is your current post count, and the second is that plus 125.

@Dennis - 123 => 248
@DrWilgy - 91 => 316
@falcon45ca - 44 => 169
@Lilypetal - 198 => 323
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 128 => 253
@Neon - 254 => 379
@Porscha - 217 => 342
@pyxxy - 144 => 269
@Sabiplz - 207 => 332
@Seanzie - 168 => 293
@WindwardAway - 200 => 325

Spoiler: show

@Dennis
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@Lilypetal
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@Porscha
@pyxxy
@Sabiplz
@Seanzie
@WindwardAway

Hard claim roleblocker blocking seanzie
N1 - none
N2 - seanzie

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

WoohooooooooOoo ez clap

Haven't read thread yet had busy night and forgot abt game will catch up when im free dont hammer

You know this doesn't work, right? I jailed you, so you can't possibly have roleblocked seanzie. I applaud the effort but no.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:14 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:18 pm Neon voteparked on Sabi and never came back
Porscha announced she doesn't care if we hammer this early
Nook said he would figure out Lily's partners tomorrow
Falcon just picked two names off my list and didn't give it any thought
Way to not make use of our time here

Neon didn't come back so she's probably not caught up, it doesn't mean anything AI imo
Pyxxy hasn't posted at all today
And lily obviously hasn't either, and I don't expect her to.

What does that say about each person in regards to lily redcheck

Likely a wolf in those 4 names
And I still don't think it's Porscha or Neon so that leaves Nook/falcon
I'm fine with that

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:25 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:18 pm Neon voteparked on Sabi and never came back
Porscha announced she doesn't care if we hammer this early
Nook said he would figure out Lily's partners tomorrow
Falcon just picked two names off my list and didn't give it any thought
Way to not make use of our time here

Neon didn't come back so she's probably not caught up, it doesn't mean anything AI imo
Pyxxy hasn't posted at all today
And lily obviously hasn't either, and I don't expect her to.

I gotta be honest, this kinda sanctimonious chat...just save it dude.




I'm not sure if you've fully processed this, but not every player at every point in any game has the same amount of time to dedicate to playing.





I get it can be frustrating, and instead of berating players for not living up to your expectations, you may try encouraging them rather than finger wagging.

Yeah ok I get the whole time commitment thing, I'm an anomaly because I don't have time for this game but I waste time on it anyway

I get that people can be busy and may want to prioritize other things irl but yes I am frustrated because as soon as I outed my redcheck it felt like everything else stopped. I couldve just withheld my info to see who continued to talk in the thread and then I wouldn't be out here blaming people for not doing legwork. I guess I just thought, if I'm town and I have a redcheck, I'm excited to solve around it because I don't need to wait for a flip in order to continue solving. It feels like a lot of other people are waiting on lily's flip when they don't really have to.

But I'll just shut up and leave the thread, let's hammer. Apparently people want a longer night.

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Neon voteparked on Sabi and never came back
Porscha announced she doesn't care if we hammer this early
Nook said he would figure out Lily's partners tomorrow
Falcon just picked two names off my list and didn't give it any thought
Way to not make use of our time here

Neon didn't come back so she's probably not caught up, it doesn't mean anything AI imo
Pyxxy hasn't posted at all today
And lily obviously hasn't either, and I don't expect her to.

For recordkeeping purposes, it was me/Nook/Seanzie/Sabi/Porscha putting lily at L-1 and it looks like Sabi and I both just unvoted now.

But all that's gonna do is extend the night phase, which gives wolves a longer time to pick their kill target without town meddling and being loud, so I don't see the point.

I'm unvoting just to draw this out longer. If you still want to hammer, fine, not my business. I just think it would be nice to make productive use of the time we have left, which is 30 hours till deadline.

It's incredible how three people including ones I think are town don't want to do any solving work today

If you really want to hammer I guess we might as well if you're going to sit back and refuse to do anything else besides hammer Lily with the information we have

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:46 pm So what I understand is-

WWA jailkept Lily, protecting them from dying qnd using abilities, including carrying the NK

Any team SHOULD have killed the claimed PR on the night they can't be protected

Since there was no kill, and no protect, Lily was carrying the kill and is therefore confirmed bad?

Correct yes

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:45 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

What? I don't follow, why are there necessarily 3 town and 2 wolves in that list?





I have no idea whose paired w/ lily, and anything I said would be pure guess work.







But who doesn't love a good guessing game! So pyxxy & wilgy are the scum bums

Because I said so
Anyone content to sit back and not solve today imo is slated for scrutiny tomorrow cause lily is gonna flip today, and if I have my way, you're gonna flip tomorrow unless you have a really good reason why you shouldn't.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:14 pm It's been like 15 hours and lily hasn't checked in

Yes because she knows she's caught
There is 0 chance she ever would've been a kill target

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:39 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:36 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:06 am

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:11 am

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

I will definitely re-read, but again, if Sabi/Lily planned Lily -----hardpress----> Sabi from the beginning, which they WOULD do, idk if Lily would choose to also hardpress their other teammate, instead I would view the second teammate interaction as independent of how Lily treats Sabi since Lily/Sabi have that history.

oh yeah, i'm not arguing with your point that a premeditated distancing could be a thing. my point is moreso that, if they did decide already that they'd distance with lily hard pushing on sabi and sabi townreading lily for (??) reasons in return, then wouldn't it make more sense for lily to mid-tier the last wolf instead of to try her darndest to save w!falcon? cause flipping w!sabi would grant her a pelt if they're partnered, so why would she shy away from flipping falcon if it's towncred she's after?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:35 pm Look I will vote tutuu over falcon. Falcon flip here feels troll as fuck

Not solving in sabi/tutuu means we're doomed to redo this day tomorrow lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:35 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:35 pm HELP ME LILY

@Neon HELP

No.

ok i think i'm done quotedumping for now, need to get my head out of the thread and do other stuff for a bit

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:36 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:06 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:00 am

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:11 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 am holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm @Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:14 pm

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

EBWOP
I meant wilgy, geez, why do I keep messing up names in my posts? wasn't it you two who said lily had some scum equity?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:06 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:00 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:57 am

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:11 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 am holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:18 pm oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm @Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:14 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:59 am Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:22 am I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:06 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:00 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:57 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:40 am

I can disagree with how you're approaching a person and still think they aren't towny.

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:11 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 am holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:48 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:16 pm Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:14 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:13 pm i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:33 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm @Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm [VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:18 pm oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:08 pm Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:59 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm @Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:14 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

---

The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:20 am I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:38 am I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:36 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:29 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:28 pm Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:28 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:25 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:23 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:20 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:08 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.

what other possibilities
this isn't a roleblocker setup, and the town doctor is odd-night.

That changes things. I thought doc was even night

no, i'm the only even-night pr
even in the roleblocker setup, i'm the only even-night pr. the town roleblocker would be a 2-shot, and by now it would be fairly safe for them to out and confirm the setup, and we'd have a poe of 2 unless i overlapped with them.
but the rondo kill is pretty much always indicative of a doctor setup because I could've been killed without any issues on N1 in a roleblocker setup.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:33 pm I'm p sure if falcon flips town here this game is mega doomed

Dislike that this eod feels like once again sabi receives 0 pressure just like the entire day

does anyone know whether w!lily goes in really hard on her partners or if she only does this to town?
my guess is the latter but i want to make sure nobody has contradicting evidence

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:24 pm Now let's kill sabi and move on so we can analyze that juicy spew

does lily actually repeat this over and over again for ... most of the game as a wolf with sabi?
she really wanted sabi dead and she really wanted falcon to live
i mean that's S-tier distancing if she can polarize how differently she treats her partners, but actually this points to only one of sabi/falcon being a wolf, so I think tutuu was right to say they aren't w/w
and i think falcon looks far worse than sabi does

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:23 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:20 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:08 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.

what other possibilities
this isn't a roleblocker setup, and the town doctor is odd-night.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:18 pm I will vote anyone in my poe but prefer sabi/tutuu and atm sabi as my vote.

note that lily doesn't want falcon out
like that post earlier where she said she didnt want people to swap off of tutuu onto falcon
looks like falcon's gonna get yeeted tomorrow imo

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:19 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:15 pm @tutuu if you're town and from your pov falcon is scum, why would he move his vote off of you? Why are you appealing to him like he's town?

i decided u and him aren't w/w

i gotta go back through and figure out why tutuu didn't think falcon and sabi are paired
if I can find her reasoning and I agree with it, that's super important.

and you're welcome to add neon and porscha to your own poe but i'm never making that move
because they were both higher in both of my readlists yesterday than lily, so there was a 0% chance wolves would've ever thought I'd jail them. My guess is they went for the highest read I had.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:08 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

sorry idk what happened to the quote order, trying to dig through my own iso to find evidence of the 4-way tied wagons is a nightmare
i have some stuff i want to drop commentary on while i'm at it

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Shit, your readlist looks like mine

hahaha
hahahahahaha
man i'm dumb

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:03 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:02 am @WindwardAway

Would you mind giving a ranked list of all the players? I know you've said your list is similar to others, but I'd love to see yours and then we can compare/contrast.

This is gonna be rough cause I'm not really convinced of my own reads
My readlist will probably change drastically within the next 12 hours lol, this is why I don't do tiered lists anymore

Seanzie
Porscha
Dennis

Neon
Lily

Wilgy
Sabi

Pyxxy? Idk I keep changing my mind on him which means I just can't read him so idk.

Nanook??? People are influencing this read cause I thought he came off towny from his interaction with Rondo and me but I also don't get why that's the only thing he's focused on this entire game thus far.

Tutuu
Falcon

this was my readlist just before i left my legacy readlist. the only places that shifted were that I ended up tiering Dennis and Neon together, and Lily and Wilgy together, and everything else is in a similar position (these weren't ordered within tiers btw, meaning I had Wilgy and Sabi at the same level, and also Tutuu and Falcon)

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:24 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:00 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:58 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:42 am Do u like me neon

Uhhh yeah. Like a lot actually.

Like top 5 people I've ever met in this game.

Omg ur so sweet I love u

I love you too. Did you rand mafia?

Nooo dumby if I was mafia I would be asleep rn ans not thinking abt this game!!

Pretty sure this is an honest answer, I buy it

This here is directly why I think wolves sent Lily to perform the kill
"Wind will never think of jailing her"
hahahahahaha suck it

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:53 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:50 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:43 pm @WindwardAway hey can you leave a legacy? Maybe you already have but it would be helpful

I don't think my read list changed from earlier today when I gave it in response to uhhh... Someone. Idk. Seanzie maybe? Porscha iirc had a similar one? And Sabi as well?

It will change depending on tutuu's or falcon's flip kinda sorta

I think they can both be scum but don't necessarily have to be, and I think falcon is very slightly townier than tutuu cause of a single post.

Towncore is Seanzie/Porscha confidently
I think Dennis and Neon are also town just under that
Wilgy and Lily next
Sabi
Nook who is kinda trending downward cause he did like one big towny thing reacting to my pr claim and has ceased to do anything I find AI since then
Pyxxy under that
Then falcon
Then tutuu

Who did i forget this time

I bet someone in my mid-town tier is probably actually a wolf but whatever, I can't deal with that now
I'm surprised I'm awake

this is where I hinted that my readlist wasn't as solid as I made it look
I went exactly for jailing a mid-town tier read

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:50 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:43 pm @WindwardAway hey can you leave a legacy? Maybe you already have but it would be helpful

I don't think my read list changed from earlier today when I gave it in response to uhhh... Someone. Idk. Seanzie maybe? Porscha iirc had a similar one? And Sabi as well?

It will change depending on tutuu's or falcon's flip kinda sorta

I think they can both be scum but don't necessarily have to be, and I think falcon is very slightly townier than tutuu cause of a single post.

Towncore is Seanzie/Porscha confidently
I think Dennis and Neon are also town just under that
Wilgy and Lily next
Sabi
Nook who is kinda trending downward cause he did like one big towny thing reacting to my pr claim and has ceased to do anything I find AI since then
Pyxxy under that
Then falcon
Then tutuu

Who did i forget this time

this was my legacy readlist, as i said not too much changed

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:34 am my reads are unchanged from SoD

sabi, falcon, pyxxy, wilgy poe

everyone else town

there is a very reasonable likelihood that tutuu actually had a perfect PoE minus lily and that's why wolves really wanted her out

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:51 pm Thx wind

I recommend we stay the course and do not last second kill falcon. Tutuu should flip here.

I gotta go for a bit so glgl

this right here
lol
lmao

tutuu did flip, tutuu flipped town, lily is about to flip wolf
what do we think about falcon, folks?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:14 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:12 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:11 pm weird sideways thought as I check discord and see marmot's post about postcap lifting + hammer.....of 7

tutuu only reached like 5 today, right? I have a thought that I'm gonna put on a burner and cook low and slow

i completely forgot about the hammer too

i reached 5 today yes

also earlier i put falcon at 6

minutes after that, his wagon disappeared

neon, seanzie, and ... one more. pyxxy. those 3 unvoted falcon pretty fast

neon and seanzie went onto me, pyxxy went to nook

I also forgot about the hammer lol
I'll give it a bit of thought seeing as I'm still here cause I failed to pull myself away from the thread

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:11 pm weird sideways thought as I check discord and see marmot's post about postcap lifting + hammer.....of 7

tutuu only reached like 5 today, right? I have a thought that I'm gonna put on a burner and cook low and slow

i want the follow-up on this from pyxxy

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:14 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:07 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:05 pm Oh, but I'm town. Maf doesn't give two fucks about moving votes off my wagon.

<--- and this player moved off your wagon, and onto sabi

you keep listing great reasons for why u shouldnt scumread me!

Why not. Nook or. Pyxxy?

Why just me you keep. Pushing people on to

i'm still thinking over this one. anyone else have thoughts on it?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:10 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:08 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:06 pm alright picking up food sooner than expected which means I'll be back in time for the last bit of day

here's where I am with my reads + reading the thread

- nook wagon failed to launch
- I still tr sabi
- falcon appears to be thinking
- tutuu's repeated appeals to the thread is making me not want to vote there which is a shit opinion but it's how I feel

out of these the lamest reason is actually the falcon one because I went back and skimmed his Scooby ISO and he was active-ish there too in kind of a similar way, granted he didn't have much suspicion/vote pressure in that game (from what I remember) but it's what I've got to work with

and my feeling on this post has changed

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:07 pm I've only been mildy paying attention today as I've been stuck in work hell.

I will advise that there is a strange level of concern in that we went from JUST Tutuu and Falcon to a 4 way split wagon tie.

Makes me think wolbes are putting in alot of effort to shift momentum for some reason without context.

Yeah I hate it
I think one of Tutuu/Falcon is scum, if not both

Then who would be the wolves directing the wagon movement? Cuz it's not tutuu or I, we are the wagons

I liked it at first because it showed thinking but without any followup it just feels like trying to sell the idea that falcon/tutuu are t/t, which feels more like trying to piggyback on tutuu's massive amount of wim in the thread

really my mood is "where's seanzie so I can sheep him" but in lieu of that, I'm back on [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I didn't think of it that way but you kinda have a point

Oh wait, no, the thing is that I checked the VC when falcon said that and he and tutuu were voting each other so even if one were a wolf, I think falcon is implying that neither one is specifically a wolf that is driving votes away because they locked onto each other.

ok apparently this is all i said about the 4-way, sorry, I thought I had said something more specific

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:12 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:11 pm weird sideways thought as I check discord and see marmot's post about postcap lifting + hammer.....of 7

tutuu only reached like 5 today, right? I have a thought that I'm gonna put on a burner and cook low and slow

i completely forgot about the hammer too

i reached 5 today yes

also earlier i put falcon at 6

minutes after that, his wagon disappeared

neon, seanzie, and ... one more. pyxxy. those 3 unvoted falcon pretty fast

neon and seanzie went onto me, pyxxy went to nook

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:18 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:17 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

me putting falcon at 6 votes

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:17 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Mmm vote tutuu

neon unvotes falcon 54 minutes after that

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:29 pm [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

seanzie unvotes falcon a few hours after that

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:13 pm (snip)
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself thinking about late game and pruning falcon now.....[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

this vote movement is likely important to note, thx tutuu

and i guess this is the proof that i didn't imagine things, pyxxy was on nook at some point