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IMO both robyn and lily have had a decent amount of AtE in their interactionsBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:46 amCool, so scum porscha votes out Scotty, and Scotty was voted out tbh, I understandPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:30 amno, if i'm a wolf, I always fucking vote off scotty over nook there even if they are both town because nook didn't do jack in comparison to scotty... scotty had more townreads and would get more if left alive... that is obvious to me and when you used "scotty v nanook = PORSCHA WOLF" as an argument, that felt contrived, not thought out, and therefore I felt your posts had agenda and you made a lot of speculation in a narrow focus instead of "oh maybe this, maybe that, unsure" it wasn't broad, so your attempt at "Explanation" didn't feel real to me and it felt like an opportunistic way to jump to a conclusion that is generally agreeable "wouldn't be surprised if there was some vote manipulation that wolves had some sort of control over" but to specifically push worlds and not seek much past pushing the world and that is why it tasted so disgusting in my mouth to read your posts and yes my reaction reflects thatBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:23 amYou are very aggressive in your defence. You use words like "made up mechanic" and "fake applying" to downplay what happened. There is a focus on "we dont know whats going on" that I feel lead to "so lets drop it", which I think is what you want us to do. The last part "that surely must have been all my doing while I wasn't here, yup lmao" is passive-aggressive and downplaying the theories.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:18 amI sincerely don't believe you can explain this without making huge assumptions riddled with agenda, but I do invite you to tryBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:16 amThis feels rand>wolfyPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:06 amwell I didn't vote scotty so I'm not sure what made up mechanic we are fake applying to scotty's wagon that isn't confirmed that surely must have been all my doing while I wasn't here, yup lmaoWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:47 am Wait wait wait, so... I'm on page 11 but there were more votes on porscha than on scotty? Or so it looks? Is that why boq said porscha is outed? Cause if so, I can totally see that, yeah.
I think svs's vote on lily is a poor excuse but I think it's so abrupt and bad that it's towny
And I'm not sure why scotty said he was trying something and voted me, but I'm not done reading yet. I should actually check what the vote count at EoD was but all I paid attention to was my own lack of vote lol, I gotta get back to work but at least I have a little more context now on what went down.
It is like you are newly awake and have a gun in your hand tbh. Like, instead of trying to understand what's going on you are focusing on the fact that we currently don't know what's going on. And I find that to be a wolfy reaction to what's happening tbh
If you are town, should you not be interested in that scum saved you and went for Scotty over Nanook? Instead of aggressively defending yourself, that is tbh.
I used several arguments, some to your benefit, some to not. Nor did I jump to a conclusion, but formed a conclusion of the information I have. Then I ultimately chose you > nanook, but that's because you gotta lean somewhere.
If you're town, you should try to approach my posts directly instead of hitting me with a run down sentence. You are not quoting anything tangible. Just hitting with anger, and I feel like that's a strategy to start a fight with me by also avoiding and meeting what I actually said. You are saying that I do not "seek much past pushing the world", but that is objectively false if you actually read my analysis. And even if you skip the longer posts, you'll notice that whilst my first reaction was "this is damning for porscha", my second was "tho Scotty died over Nanook hmm". This directly disproves your accusation and should show that I am solving and considering several worlds. Especially since I use that train of thought in my longer reasoning.
But you seem to be more happy with being Angerey and defending yourself, not solving. Like in this very post, there is zero curiosity in why I am saying something. There is zero attempt at solving my claims. No interest in the claims that are for your benefit, not much interest in my reasoning. You saw me push a wolf you thought, and went for attack mode immediately. This seek and destroy strategy is something I find more common in wolves who want to feign AtE and discourage villagers scum reading them by reacting strongly. Your posts are not generous in their interpretation of what I am saying, like I am just reading a critic here.
Compare the tone in our posts. I am calm, in control of myself, despite these posts of yours. You are not. And that's what makes me unable to town read you here. Because you have no reason as town to react with this outburst of emotion towards my posts. My posts aren't threatening you. They are trying to solve you. This makes me believe this to be fake AtE.
never mind ur town, uh help me find wolves besides robyn because im lazyPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:30 amno, if i'm a wolf, I always fucking vote off scotty over nook there even if they are both town because nook didn't do jack in comparison to scotty... scotty had more townreads and would get more if left alive... that is obvious to me and when you used "scotty v nanook = PORSCHA WOLF" as an argument, that felt contrived, not thought out, and therefore I felt your posts had agenda and you made a lot of speculation in a narrow focus instead of "oh maybe this, maybe that, unsure" it wasn't broad, so your attempt at "Explanation" didn't feel real to me and it felt like an opportunistic way to jump to a conclusion that is generally agreeable "wouldn't be surprised if there was some vote manipulation that wolves had some sort of control over" but to specifically push worlds and not seek much past pushing the world and that is why it tasted so disgusting in my mouth to read your posts and yes my reaction reflects thatBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:23 amYou are very aggressive in your defence. You use words like "made up mechanic" and "fake applying" to downplay what happened. There is a focus on "we dont know whats going on" that I feel lead to "so lets drop it", which I think is what you want us to do. The last part "that surely must have been all my doing while I wasn't here, yup lmao" is passive-aggressive and downplaying the theories.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:18 amI sincerely don't believe you can explain this without making huge assumptions riddled with agenda, but I do invite you to tryBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:16 amThis feels rand>wolfyPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:06 amwell I didn't vote scotty so I'm not sure what made up mechanic we are fake applying to scotty's wagon that isn't confirmed that surely must have been all my doing while I wasn't here, yup lmaoWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:47 am Wait wait wait, so... I'm on page 11 but there were more votes on porscha than on scotty? Or so it looks? Is that why boq said porscha is outed? Cause if so, I can totally see that, yeah.
I think svs's vote on lily is a poor excuse but I think it's so abrupt and bad that it's towny
And I'm not sure why scotty said he was trying something and voted me, but I'm not done reading yet. I should actually check what the vote count at EoD was but all I paid attention to was my own lack of vote lol, I gotta get back to work but at least I have a little more context now on what went down.
It is like you are newly awake and have a gun in your hand tbh. Like, instead of trying to understand what's going on you are focusing on the fact that we currently don't know what's going on. And I find that to be a wolfy reaction to what's happening tbh
If you are town, should you not be interested in that scum saved you and went for Scotty over Nanook? Instead of aggressively defending yourself, that is tbh.
okay someone catch me up on how the mech doesnt look good for porscha like what?
I didn't perceive WWA as the most sussed early game and I was there tbh but i guess there is disagreementBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:24 amWhy?
And why isn't my sus on WWA easy, and instead noteworthy? WWA was the most sussed player at early game iirc
not so sure about that since it was a special power that made scotty dieWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:24 amEh, it also looks bad for people who didn't vote, like memainly because I never forget to vote before deadline. I was delaying it because I knew I couldn't move it once I voted, though, and I wasn't sure I had solid enough reasons to case Porscha at the time, and a handful of players hadn't even checked into the thread.
Also, I will backread but I'm outta time for now, I got up to page 8 or 9 so far.
I honestly forgot about that because it was so early
I liked ur posts on page 11
In the princess Abigail section I thought she said sheilded instead of shaded which prompted me to retract that part of that postEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:53 amUh...
Did you?
That might change the read lmao. I would need to double check but I'll do it later after I rest a lil.
We will never know Which LC is LimeCoke and which is Long ConEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:36 am Abi/Jack/WWA/LC/LC/SVS - Scumreads in no explicit order.
Cape - Scumreadish in no particular order.
I don't like this Long Con vote in context with Scotty posting this
Yeah I find this post kinda Wolfy. Like it was just discussed that we have only one vote.
Yeah I mean I knew the post cap at the start of the game but missed the one vote thing so sure.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:38 pmI mean I assume in chat that my partners have read the rules. Sometimes some get missed, but I’m not remembering ever reiterating rules unless I see my partners glaringly obliviousS~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:18 pmWow you really haven’t been bad in a while. Wolves have to be on top of rules, how else go they manipulate town in a game like this with unique rules?Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:54 pmI mean it’s been a while since I’ve been in BTSC with partners but from my experience, wolves aren’t reminding each other rule clarifications in chat like ‘now partners, remember, plurality voting +1 starting day 2, so be prepared!’Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:52 pmig it depends on how communicative the wolves were pregame/n0
I think EnderWiggin is town regardless, usually JOH2005 isn't too hard for me to find, at least I usually TR them when they are town, I have limited wolf experience with him.
If you answered this later don't say anything, but what u get pinged by?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:26 pm As much as I hate it my best guess is SVS flips wolf?
There's some posts that feel fine, but then there's a few pings from her iso that I can't shake off?
I don't know if I want to ask others how strong her wolf game is? This might help with something.
Scotty got a bit better and I'm not feeling like yeeting him. Letting that one simmer a bit but his pushing has felt like what I've seen him do in his town game.
But we shall see.
The rest of my townreads that I had before: Bereft, Robyn, Abigail, Cape have all made me more confident in my reads there.
That's basically it.
ig it depends on how communicative the wolves were pregame/n0
with context i retract feeling not great about abigail's scotty readCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:31 pm Like even though I think my vote is on a wolf, I'm not sure I actually want robyn dead since that seems very bad for town if robyn is town. So that leaves me in the frustrating position of basically having my vote thrown away.
Also to update on abigail, i kind of like #369, dont really like the rest of the Scotty push even though I think Scotty could be a mafia this game regardless so I am still thinking Abigail is town.
Both Long Con and S~V~S slightly lean town, probs would say Long Con > S~V~S
Bereft has been towny lately https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=1079453#p1079453 #378
I'm so good at reading☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:02 pmShielded and shaded are very different thingsCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:01 pmhasn't sheilded me so idk what ur talking about☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:09 pmI'd kill Scotty he's shaded literally every player who's posted at least once
It's pretty bad
saying "oh having anti consensus reads are town indicative" just seems robotic to me tbhrobyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:37 pmi am not and will not exclude you, i will listen to you and pay very close attention to what you have to say and i'll give it genuine consideration. my knock on your readslist doesn't really matter except this post + that both are ++++ town points. like reads sub 500 posts in are nonsense even though i've solved games in less, having anti consensus reads is fairly town indicative, do you agree with the logic?/understand me more?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:34 pmDude, this is like Survivor now. There's a sizable clique already formed and it's mostly folks I don't even know. I'm not making it anywhere without being part of a crew. How about you?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:31 pm Right? “Not only are your reads gonna be wrong, if they happen to be right, your team will ignore them after they murder you cause you won’t flip.”
A fate worthy of filthy fucking landlords.
i find this post pretty towny, I'm not getting much of an impression otherwise, but I would argue not in a scummy wayS~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:11 pmExcuse or not, it's true. All the hyperposters seem to be taking today off. I forget what game it was, but after one day of work I was so hopelessly behind I never caught up. It might have been the GOC, thank god I was bad or I would have had no clue what was going on. That post was my version of "slank cover".Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:59 pmExcuse post, me no likey.True, you’re tricksy and my D1 read on you the past few games has been utterly wrong.
I never claimed to be great at vibe reading people on D1.
But try I must
I'm not seeing all the same things you are re Cape, I was actually kinda townleaning them, but I liked this post of yours~
I tend to wolf read Robyn early, so I'm avoiding them Day One, and I've never gotten a grip on Abigails bad game.Theory: at least one of the 3 of you talking about the lack of activity in a Night 0 of a postcap game is bad.
im missing the fix here??robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:16 pmfixedEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:15 pmWhat.robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:13 pmwe kill an inactive here, not svs, otherwise i haven't townlocked svs for a reasonEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:09 pm SVS reasons for townreading Scotty feels like a wolf tmi-ing a town going down.
Yes I'm still on SVS wolf train.
killing an active is how we lose
simple logic here, do you agree?
this post is all sorts of wolfy thoguh, not sure what EnderWiggin sees in this, nor what's wolfy about S V S's trying to keep up but busy post thingScotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:59 pmExcuse post, me no likey.True, you’re tricksy and my D1 read on you the past few games has been utterly wrong.
I never claimed to be great at vibe reading people on D1.
But try I must
robyn isn't wolfy they promiserobyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:07 pm scotty/bereft/brad
svs/abbie/windward
cape
cape is dropped cause his tone is slightly off, glad i didn't say this read immediately cause scotty's thought on cape here is simply clearing
svs is town for that scotty read, i'll reinforce this later but i wanna start constructing a list
wwa i told myself that she was town last night for her posting AFTER brad tr her
and yes i have balls of steel
^☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:07 pm Technically I was told to revote so I don't think they were actually wiped
Okay but they have shaded 3 people and also defended everyone who has talked☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:02 pm You've shaded
Bereft
Me
Cape
For effort and posts
Breads reads list
Coincidentally pulling all of breads town reads into the PoE and invalidating his reads expanding the poe.
Mmm yes.
u sure robyn?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:46 pm One vote per day and must be in tags - You may also help us by sending us the post in discord
No but im also behind like a few pages☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:02 pmHas your read on me evolved at allCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:00 pmso true but you could always enjoy the nostalgia of #127☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:00 pmThe lack of me in this post is saddeningCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:40 am I will tired post updates
Scotty pushing me feels a tad odd just also given his comment on WWA being "innocent chum for wolves" when I was the one who literally verbally defended them from Porscha who they are townreading.
Though me getting d1ed as town is practically cultural on here so I will allow the sus with open arms.
Porscha feels towny so far, could maybe see #138 being an possible slight red flag? I hope I remember why I the morning lol.
I feel unusually good about LimeCoke being town this game. Him revisiting my ISO and then saying that I was approaching obvious town territory is the cherry on top of that read (as LAMIST as that thought may seem)
WWA is probably town. Them saying that their first post was NAI was kinda what I expected them to say if they saw the whole debacle tbh. Ah MU Pokemash, good times, It was me and Robyn on like a sort of odd multiball but not really multiball scum team together. I don't remember playing with WWA there, probably because I was literally on vacation at that time and didn't do too much before getting voted out D2.
I wanna say I was slightly bothered by Robyn's consistent question prodding in the beginning and even to Brad when last time they were town, they were more focused on building a town core
who doesn't love a good nostalgia binge
wait what
hasn't sheilded me so idk what ur talking about☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:09 pmI'd kill Scotty he's shaded literally every player who's posted at least once
It's pretty bad
so true but you could always enjoy the nostalgia of #127☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:00 pmThe lack of me in this post is saddeningCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:40 am I will tired post updates
Scotty pushing me feels a tad odd just also given his comment on WWA being "innocent chum for wolves" when I was the one who literally verbally defended them from Porscha who they are townreading.
Though me getting d1ed as town is practically cultural on here so I will allow the sus with open arms.
Porscha feels towny so far, could maybe see #138 being an possible slight red flag? I hope I remember why I the morning lol.
I feel unusually good about LimeCoke being town this game. Him revisiting my ISO and then saying that I was approaching obvious town territory is the cherry on top of that read (as LAMIST as that thought may seem)
WWA is probably town. Them saying that their first post was NAI was kinda what I expected them to say if they saw the whole debacle tbh. Ah MU Pokemash, good times, It was me and Robyn on like a sort of odd multiball but not really multiball scum team together. I don't remember playing with WWA there, probably because I was literally on vacation at that time and didn't do too much before getting voted out D2.
I wanna say I was slightly bothered by Robyn's consistent question prodding in the beginning and even to Brad when last time they were town, they were more focused on building a town core
mainly because I never forget to vote before deadline. I was delaying it because I knew I couldn't move it once I voted, though, and I wasn't sure I had solid enough reasons to case Porscha at the time, and a handful of players hadn't even checked into the thread.