The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:53 pm @Ricochet can you talk about the Roxy ping I had?

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:51 pm Give me my iso dang it

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:55 pm Rn my reads look like this:
Town:
Rico

Townlean:
Zenon
Porscha
Roxy

PoE:
Splints
Falcon

As far as a solve, I think Splints/Falcon and Roxy/Falcon are plausible. Roxy/Splints is possible but I feel like it's almost too much buddying and defending for most wolves to be comfortable with.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:15 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:04 am Roxy

Day 1
#310 upon catch-up, immediate frustration at Epigvoting her and appealing to past knowledge; also points out to Thunal that meta arguments usually backfire in reading her, implies switching up her meta
#316 multi-quote ideas
-- disagrees with Epig's take on me
-- points out that Epig usually fumbles early meta reads
-- clears Rondo's shtick as typical
-- doesn't like Thunal clearing top posters
#407 defends against Rondo thinking her opening reaction was over the top
#439 multi-read
-- no to vote splints (absent policy)
-- points on falcon "make sense", considers him dipping out
-- concerned of Porscha lacking content
-- Epignosis "flippant"; chooses to vote here

Day 2
#655 the outburst post
#836 reads Splints 75% town
#837 open conversation with falcon about her outburst being AI
#847 uses Zenon's "faux-POE" (that's a mouthful) to create her PoE of Zenon and Epig // rescinded when Zenon clarified it was just the wagon situation
#854 pinged by my snap vote interaction with Zenon
#855 apologises to Thunal for placing her in the PoE
#865 reads Splints town for low-activity, feels she would post even less as mafia
#869 judges Zenon for potential AtE
#870 and considers that Zenon's take on her own AtE was overblown
#xxx more back and forth with Zenon, seems heated
#931 dismisses Porscha's argument on PSV
#1026 picks PSV

Day 3
#1089 critcal of Porscha moving, finds it phony
#1095 rebuttal on suspecting me: meta uncertainty from long period of absence
#1100 agrees that Zenon flip will "blow the game open" (paraphrases Zenon)
#xxxx EODs
-- Porscha messy
-- still on the fence with me
-- seems to trust Epig's adverb sniffing on Porscha
-- falcon most pingy
-- pinged by Zenon but policy town read on her AtE
#1245 new PoE, I suppose? leans falcon/Porscha, maybe Zenon

OKs
-- that she did a multi-read at her EoD1, I didn't recall this and certainly not being so multi-faceted
-- more solving D2 and D3

A bit eeeehhh
-- absolving Splints of D1 activity (for AFK), but not falcon for the same low-to-nothing activity; I can read the nuance, though, that she may have considered falcon to have done minimal work and bailed
-- bit of a double standard in judgemental towards Zenon appearing to AtE, but finding Zenon's take on her own overblown
-- really not sure why she suspected me solely for not finding any bearing and appealing to (lack of) meta

Pings
-- Where did her PoE'ing Zenon come from, all of a sudden, on D2
-- She created PoEs but didn't act on any choices
-- sus on Zenon's AtE D2 turned to benefit of doubt for repeated AtE on D3

wut?
-- How did Thunal feature in her PoE mid-D2 (#855) and why?

Personal angle
I've now revisited that Roxy basically just gambled the D2 tie-break, no other reasoning at that time. Just like with Epig, I see no reason why wolf Roxy wouldn't have picked either of those mislynches opportunities. She had more eyeballs and fence-sitting on me, so there was a tiny bit of reasoning to go by.

In a vacuum, PSV vote is the worse (worst) wagon pick for her, since she dismissed the main take on PSV. Not inclined to think Roxy isn't perceptive not to look that phony in voting a lynch she didn't agree with the case.

w!Roxy perspective
Wolf with a bad start and a really daring gambit of sending FUs and banking on town cred from it. Not the type to manage balance in activity and reads and substantiated votes, but the type to ride the wave, whatever may be

t!Roxy perspective
Pretty much the outburst. And a gradually more engaged and solvey town.

w/w compatible odds
Believe it or not, it's the first pairing with Thunal I could imagine. Just too many instances of weird pokes and distrust, enough to warrant consideration of creating bits of statements, in case she would get the chop (or, however unlikely, Thunal would).

w/w incompatible odds
Probably not wolf with Zenon, too much free poking on D2 and still plays the sus on her toDay, so too much locking into distancing and even potentially bussing the teammate.


I think my OK / Ping split comments are more eloquent than making further closing statements. Policy still tempts me to clear her for the outburst, just like I cannot conceive a w/w pairing between Zenon/Splints. But on activity alone, the acceptable is not bad, the pings are not the worst.

Don't think I will place her in the PoE today.

Roxy is someone I feel like I may have not considered enough after she came into today with very similar reads as I did and I thought she looked good from her analysis today. Since I believe the wagons were t/t I don't think her placing a tiebreaker vote on PSV is scummy. I don't think her flippant Epi read made a lot of sense and then I got pinged by her d2 initially not wanting to put Epi into the PoE because she didn't want to be "no u" this game. What do you think of this?

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:27 pm
I agree except I would leave Zenon. I would add Epi still but I do not want to be all "No U" this game. Then I do not have anything definitive to go from just a feel, vibe, tone thing that gives me baddie reads from Thunal.

She later explained that Epi was still in her PoE and her wording in that post was wonky, but I still can see it as part of an unwillingness to pressure Epi d2. The wolf perspective would be her avoiding a more difficult push but if she wanted to avoid more difficult pushes I don't see why she would put me in her PoE.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:03 pm Don’t get what Zenon and Porscha are cooking in the past posts, with the meowing and asking Porscha to vouch for high-post Z.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:10 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:33 pm Anyway rico and tbunal probs unpushable and one of them dies tonight

Why do you think we should be pushed?

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:38 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:32 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:31 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:48 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:15 pm Ye I'll try to be here for close of eod but no garauntees

I feel bad cuz I have a penchant for SR'ing neon when she is town a lot but I just dont get her this game at all (I guess I have this issue when she is town sometimes too) but after wolfing with her recently I was surprised she was allowed to play the way she did and get away with it for so long and idk i just know if i dont flip her i will confbias her for rest of the game at this point

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Dont feel better about voting anyone else either, especially fs and falcon who didnt really get a chance to play yet

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:58 pm [VOTE: zenon] aubergine

Porscha/Zenon is another unpairing since I don't think Porscha flash wagon votes Zenon twice.

Idk that you could say the last elim she only voted for Zenon with just a couple of minutes left before the EoD.


I am leaning falcon/Porscha with a side eye full of Zenon.

I mean, I can since the timestamp was 8:58 lol.

thats my point lol
timkestamp 8;58. Not a flashwagon per se just a vote jump. No way it was gonna turn into a flashwagon in 2 minutes.
So the second deffo was -not- a flashwagon imo

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:33 pm Falcon ISO:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:07 am [VOTE: lemon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:08 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:07 am Any particular reason Falcon or just your wolf buddy being pretty obv wolf?

I am sheeping Thunal.

Still reads as slightly wolfy to me because it’s not taking accountability for the mislim.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:21 am
Is it just weird, or is it scummy?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.




[VOTE: fingers] aubergine

I think that Falcon giving an original take on Splints at a time when she’d caught up and wasn’t as LHF as d1 was slightly towny.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm
Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

I don’t like this at all. The implied TMI thing was pretty weak and there’s a lack of reasoning on anyone other than Splints and a pattern of sheeping. I’ll go out on a limb and say Falcon/Porscha aren’t w/w for this. If Falcon is a wolf, I think he tried to pin responsibility for the PSV ML on Porscha.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pm I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

Fmpov this just doesn’t make sense and I think it could either be a wolf painting a t/t or t/w pair as w/w or a townie with an out there tinfoil. I’m entertaining the idea of a Falcon/Splints team. Falcon seemed to have significantly better reasoning on Splints than he did on anyone else.

can you quote the falcon posts where you feel he went into more depth with fs?

Here they are:

Spoiler: show

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:21 am
Is it just weird, or is it scummy?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.




[VOTE: fingers] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:09 pm
Can you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus them

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:55 pm
@Zenon What say you?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:38 pm
[VOTE: fingers] aubergine



Yeah, I don't know who the Maf are, so I'm looking for something

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pm
I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:26 pm
Ironically, this is just pot stirring. Where's your vote? Do you TR myself, or Neon?

There's just a lot more interaction, engagement, and reasoning on Splints than on anyone else.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:21 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:11 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:45 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:10 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:03 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm Thunal can you agree with me that Roxy's eod was wolfy

This is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.

No, I wanted us to find common ground after you came into the day already viewing my eod at level 1. And I already stated that my read of Roxy's eod was incorrect since most of it rode on the idea that roxy was the one who jumped on my psv tmi idea, when it was actually falcon

I know you ended up backing off Roxy because you misunderstood. I just got pinged by the way you went about asking me at EoD yesterday and today, like you were trying to get the strongest voice to push your pushes.

well i'm most certainly not trying to get anyone to do my pushes for me, since roxy wasn't a push I made and I was the only one pushing psv until I changed my mind on her lol. I think you're taking the pings and forgetting to ensure if they are logical in conclusion

I think Roxy was a push you made but then backed off when you realized you misremembered, but we might have different definitions of pushes. Wdym logical in conclusion?

I mean I dont think what you're saying is what actually happened but I think it's just from perspective differences

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:11 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:45 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:10 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:03 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm Thunal can you agree with me that Roxy's eod was wolfy

This is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.

No, I wanted us to find common ground after you came into the day already viewing my eod at level 1. And I already stated that my read of Roxy's eod was incorrect since most of it rode on the idea that roxy was the one who jumped on my psv tmi idea, when it was actually falcon

I know you ended up backing off Roxy because you misunderstood. I just got pinged by the way you went about asking me at EoD yesterday and today, like you were trying to get the strongest voice to push your pushes.

well i'm most certainly not trying to get anyone to do my pushes for me, since roxy wasn't a push I made and I was the only one pushing psv until I changed my mind on her lol. I think you're taking the pings and forgetting to ensure if they are logical in conclusion

I think Roxy was a push you made but then backed off when you realized you misremembered, but we might have different definitions of pushes. Wdym logical in conclusion?

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:31 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:10 pm My problem is that if zenon is actually town then it means I'm left with a poe of like, fs and falcon and to a much lesser degree Roxy. I dont see why it cant be fs and falcon for example but there so much less content from them to scrutinize. @Zenon when you come back pls let me know what you think of Falcons posts today

Falcon is meh

But I think if splints is wolf so is Roxy frankly

Also I'm sus of you right meow

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:10 pm My problem is that if zenon is actually town then it means I'm left with a poe of like, fs and falcon and to a much lesser degree Roxy. I dont see why it cant be fs and falcon for example but there so much less content from them to scrutinize. @Zenon when you come back pls let me know what you think of Falcons posts today

Also how are my reads backwards when I was also suspecting splints and falcon, and am now less sure about Zenon's alignment?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:33 pm Falcon ISO:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:07 am [VOTE: lemon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:08 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:07 am Any particular reason Falcon or just your wolf buddy being pretty obv wolf?

I am sheeping Thunal.

Still reads as slightly wolfy to me because it’s not taking accountability for the mislim.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:21 am
Is it just weird, or is it scummy?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.




[VOTE: fingers] aubergine

I think that Falcon giving an original take on Splints at a time when she’d caught up and wasn’t as LHF as d1 was slightly towny.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm
Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

I don’t like this at all. The implied TMI thing was pretty weak and there’s a lack of reasoning on anyone other than Splints and a pattern of sheeping. I’ll go out on a limb and say Falcon/Porscha aren’t w/w for this. If Falcon is a wolf, I think he tried to pin responsibility for the PSV ML on Porscha.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pm I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

Fmpov this just doesn’t make sense and I think it could either be a wolf painting a t/t or t/w pair as w/w or a townie with an out there tinfoil. I’m entertaining the idea of a Falcon/Splints team. Falcon seemed to have significantly better reasoning on Splints than he did on anyone else.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:10 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:03 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm Thunal can you agree with me that Roxy's eod was wolfy

This is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.

No, I wanted us to find common ground after you came into the day already viewing my eod at level 1. And I already stated that my read of Roxy's eod was incorrect since most of it rode on the idea that roxy was the one who jumped on my psv tmi idea, when it was actually falcon

I know you ended up backing off Roxy because you misunderstood. I just got pinged by the way you went about asking me at EoD yesterday and today, like you were trying to get the strongest voice to push your pushes.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm Thunal can you agree with me that Roxy's eod was wolfy

This is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:59 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:29 pm What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.

Woofs are defs using me as a lightning rod of sorts. When my heart is in a game I get sussed just by the way I play generally so when my heart isn't fully in the game imagine how easy I am to push.

I'm a valuable pocket when I'm invested but as a wolf in this game I'd push the fuck out of myself instead because of how easy it would be to kill myself

Everyone has sus on me. Every player including the ones who town read me at times have expressed some doubt. I'm basically thread spewed town but with the whole thread in doubt I will be pushed relentlessly

How are you thread spewed town if everyone doubts you?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm Thunal can you agree with me that Roxy's eod was wolfy

This is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:14 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:06 pm As far as pairings are concerned I think that in earlier phases most wolves would be reluctant to bus a partner that has a realistic chance of going over, especially if both partners were in the PoE at the time. A wolf winning an 8v1 or even a 6v1 is pretty difficult.

Agree conceptually, but in a mountainous game, yeeting a wolf can get you big boku bucks kind of town credit to live on too

I'm not ruling it out. Rn I'm looking through the EoDs to find unpairings and possible pairings from them.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:06 pm As far as pairings are concerned I think that in earlier phases most wolves would be reluctant to bus a partner that has a realistic chance of going over, especially if both partners were in the PoE at the time. A wolf winning an 8v1 or even a 6v1 is pretty difficult.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:00 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 6:59 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:22 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:06 am falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:36 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:06 am

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:44 pm
If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

That implied TMI thing makes no sense to me, and Falcon sheeping it isn't good. @falcon45ca why did you think asking about Rondo's scum game was implied TMI?

This is very embarrassing @Roxy but I thought falcon's response was your response

And when I made the accusation of tmi I was aware it could be entirely wrong lol

Roxy that's why I thought your eod was wolfy, but it was actually falcon and not you lol

I actually think Falcon sheeping it looked worse than you saying it, which is why I asked Falcon what his reasons were.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:16 pm To expand on that, Splints spent a lot of posts defending herself against being misrepped and saying Zenon is wrong but not a lot saying Zenon is wolfy.

I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:22 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:06 am falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:36 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9

Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am

I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv

I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

That implied TMI thing makes no sense to me, and Falcon sheeping it isn't good. @falcon45ca why did you think asking about Rondo's scum game was implied TMI?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:17 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:52 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:37 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:35 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:29 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:28 pm

I don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.

What's your (level 1) take, then?

I didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.

Without pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.

The EoD stretch after PSV returned.

She got townier when she played the game idk what to tell you lol

What specifically did you find towny from her EoD posts?

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:05 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:02 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:01 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:00 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:43 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:08 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:01 am

Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.

But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.

Reword pls

Rico hypothetical requires Rico to be town

He knows his role. I do not and can not without flip.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:04 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:56 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:58 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:08 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:34 pm Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico

Holy crap how am I top town

I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.

She didnt actually want to die or be resolved, she didnt even vote herself

This is probs why you're alive and epi isnt

Extremely untrue. And I don't believe any of this is anything other than taking advantage of my status in this game.

I wanted to die. I won't vote myself for it in most cases though.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:03 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".

Okay yeah we agree on this

Tell ya what get me to L - 1 and I'll hammer myself

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:02 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:41 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:22 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:52 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 pm I think I am concerned with Roxy and rico the most from reading epi and like
Rico was cw
And roxy jumped on my pewr tmi read on psv

But also zenon exists idk

Sip sip

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

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Hello. Will you lead a misexe on me today but unvote at the last second?

I mean if you keep being wolfy yeah I might lol

Dope. Why am I wolfy?

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:01 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:00 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:43 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:08 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:01 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.

But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:02 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 2:44 am psv's push on me is just a pocket attempt on thunal who keeps randomly and loudly proclaiming that i'm polarized but supposedly unable to see how i'm towny at all so thunal is probably town

As an aside, people have got to give me some kudos for not bringing the adverb tell into this.

the last quote got messed up on my epi EoD.

People who haven't played with Epi may not realize he caught many baddies with the old "adverb tell". I should have paid him way more attention than I did.

He feels Porscha was bad bc of the use of the adverbs.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:58 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:08 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:34 pm Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico

Holy crap how am I top town

I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:57 am Porscha's EoD:

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:46 pm wouldnt a zenon flashwagon be funny

so originally you just thought it would be funny to flashwagon Zenon?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:49 pm its funny I actually feel like the game in general has been very wolfy feeling

I'm almost unsold on psv but I certainly don't think rico is wolfier so i'm not trying to go there

After pushing PSV all day you start talking yourself out of it only 10 minutes before the elim ends.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:50 pm like tbh I came in and made a big stink about how I was no longer the person psv was describing me to be day 1 before they really said anything much, so it would have been hard for them to keep pushing me the same way

Literally this really is you noticing that someone noticed your game play so you started posting more and giving more. Why? Just bc PSV brought it up? Were you nervous others might notice and join PSV with their suspicion?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:56 pm ew i'm getting cold feet

This was posted after my vote. Ewww to you too <3
4 minutes until the elim ends.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:57 pm something feels off
we should have went zenon

We should have went Zenon bc it would be funny to flashwagon her?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:57 pm I voted zenon

The last two posts were made within seconds of each other with 3 minutes left to go.

Yeah bit messy here at EoD.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:52 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:37 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:35 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:29 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:28 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:25 pm Idk, last minute switches or CFDs usually throw me off, makes me want to eyeball it as wolfy. But then, what logic would a wolf find in doing it and get eyeballed for it, is what I’m pondering.

Why do you say jumping off a wagon that will prove a mislynch is a “good thing” or how do you read it as a town move?

I don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.

What's your (level 1) take, then?

I didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.

Without pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.

The EoD stretch after PSV returned.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:44 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:52 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:37 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:35 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:29 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:28 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:25 pm Idk, last minute switches or CFDs usually throw me off, makes me want to eyeball it as wolfy. But then, what logic would a wolf find in doing it and get eyeballed for it, is what I’m pondering.

Why do you say jumping off a wagon that will prove a mislynch is a “good thing” or how do you read it as a town move?

I don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.

What's your (level 1) take, then?

I didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.

Without pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.

The EoD stretch after PSV returned.

Yeah it would have been funnier to go zenon cuz psv was town and I think rico town so chances of flipping wolf were better on anyone else

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:44 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm Thunal can you agree with me that Roxy's eod was wolfy

After you pushed PSV ALL DAY then got cold feet right after I voted you moved then Epi gave the hammer.

Let's talk about a wolfy way to end the day.

You pushed for that elim then knowing PSV was going to flip town you moved your vote so you could say "but I felt better about PSV so I moved".

I'll be quite honest about my EoD as I have nothing to hide from. I was fence riding most of the day. When I seen the tie I decided to break it but I could not really determine who I trusted the least betwixt Rico or PSV. I literally flipped a coin.
Not that it matter I stand by my vote.

I wanted to trust you here bc I helped elim you in the other game we were/are playing together.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:52 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:37 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:35 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:29 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:28 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:25 pm Idk, last minute switches or CFDs usually throw me off, makes me want to eyeball it as wolfy. But then, what logic would a wolf find in doing it and get eyeballed for it, is what I’m pondering.

Why do you say jumping off a wagon that will prove a mislynch is a “good thing” or how do you read it as a town move?

I don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.

What's your (level 1) take, then?

I didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.

Without pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.

The EoD stretch after PSV returned.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:22 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:52 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 pm I think I am concerned with Roxy and rico the most from reading epi and like
Rico was cw
And roxy jumped on my pewr tmi read on psv

But also zenon exists idk

Sip sip

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

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Hello. Will you lead a misexe on me today but unvote at the last second?

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 pm I think I am concerned with Roxy and rico the most from reading epi and like
Rico was cw
And roxy jumped on my pewr tmi read on psv

But also zenon exists idk

Sip sip

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:33 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:43 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:42 pm There's not a lot of PSV content to go off of but what I saw had a couple minor town pings. Her immediately townreading Roxy for frustration looks good in hindsight since I feel like a wolf would keep what is probably t!Roxy in the PoE. I also like that she asked me to read Zenon and pushed Rico over Zenon after I gave a townlean.

you like a lot of things which is nice but you should consider that you could be getting pocketed or that just b/c someone gives in and provides a tr after a sr does not make them townier

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:48 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:43 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:42 pm There's not a lot of PSV content to go off of but what I saw had a couple minor town pings. Her immediately townreading Roxy for frustration looks good in hindsight since I feel like a wolf would keep what is probably t!Roxy in the PoE. I also like that she asked me to read Zenon and pushed Rico over Zenon after I gave a townlean.

you like a lot of things which is nice but you should consider that you could be getting pocketed or that just b/c someone gives in and provides a tr after a sr does not make them townier

I think a lot of people have been towny this game so it's hard to me to find a solve. It's not a general tell, it's that in this specific case I think it's a little more likely to come from a town to immediately TR Roxy for the frustration and not falter when Roxy was under a lot of pressure and scum might keep their options open.

was psv the first person to extend that sentiment? I read it and immediately thought it was very towny

Porscha is in my PoE because I think her EoD is wolfy. She tried to talk me off defending PSV then got cold feet and voted Zenon at 8:58 right before EoD. It reads like she wanted to get PSV eliminated and subtly swayed the thread that way but tried not to get her own hands dirty.

I became aware that psv no longer seemed wolfy and the eod in general was bad which is what made me change my mind

I could have just as easily not moved my vote and committed to the bit if it was fake lol

wdym by the EoD in general was bad?