The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:14 pm**

beancat, is it just your faction that changed?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:21 pm**

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:56 pm "I am ashamed to have finally succumbed to temptation and became one of those people that make excel sheets of players for a mafia game" - Lemonfairy, 2022

there's probably stuff missing but just lmk and I'll add them

I fully claimed villager, with wincon to kill spies and werewolves plus other not mentioned threats. Nothing changed.
My first DP lenght was 120/48

@DunkinDonuts @Whysper @SeonRichard @TreeReaper
claim to complete the sheeet

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:30 pm**

beancat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:05 pm Important update!

My faction name has been changed from "Neutral" to "Survivor".

sus

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:33 pm**

Kurosaki Ichigo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:21 pm
FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:56 pm "I am ashamed to have finally succumbed to temptation and became one of those people that make excel sheets of players for a mafia game" - Lemonfairy, 2022
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there's probably stuff missing but just lmk and I'll add them
I fully claimed villager, with wincon to kill spies and werewolves plus other not mentioned threats. Nothing changed.
My first DP lenght was 120/48

@DunkinDonuts @Whysper @SeonRichard @TreeReaper
claim to complete the sheeet

thankk

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:33 pm**

I'm still tilted by w/e tigierial and Arctic were calling me out on, in regards to Beancat, it's so weird

Where did this masonry come from, and why did bean claiming neutral mean anything, I seriously don't get my why tilg asked me what I was doing, it feels so disconnected from reality

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:39 pm**

Millium not reacting to being called Chad is unironically scummy tbh

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:44 pm**

I mean u are definitely something for meming who I was, when I was for the most part not trying to claim it

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:50 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:33 pm I'm still tilted by w/e tigierial and Arctic were calling me out on, in regards to Beancat, it's so weird

Where did this masonry come from, and why did bean claiming neutral mean anything, I seriously don't get my why tilg asked me what I was doing, it feels so disconnected from reality

i don't know where it was claimed but i know for a fact either in thread or ??? chat they claimed they were part of a neutral faction/masonry consisting of spectatochat beancat and s&k

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:54 pm**

I'm not too worried about you as I am worried about tilg, but I would love for u to try to find it. I still don't get what even a faction claim has to do with anything, but if you think claiming mean anything, why are u not voting Owl?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:55 pm**

this game is basically the salem witch trials

everyone is making baseless accusations or tunneling someone they don't like / did something they disagree with and when you combine this with how multiple players have been lying about their initial role (and possibly still are, despite flipping) it makes this game more or less impossible to solve since wolves can do the same thing and not be scrutinized

and i'm sat here saying this yet i have no better suggestion to make

do as you will, but i think killing into those neut claims is worse than.. for example, randing the kill outside of those claims

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:59 pm**

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/osies- ... 1?u=arctic

they said they were town in this post, but shortly after when i talked to them in the hood they admitted they were mafia (same with kiiruma)

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:01 pm**

Then we can yeet out Nanook

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:03 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:54 pm I'm not too worried about you as I am worried about tilg, but I would love for u to try to find it. I still don't get what even a faction claim has to do with anything, but if you think claiming mean anything, why are u not voting Owl?

okay but spectatochat was actually a neutral so if anything this is the one piece of mech info we should actually listen to

as for owl, i'm not sure but i don't think having mafia as an initial role means you will have an informed minority role in the core world, otherwise it defeats the entire point of the mechanic.. there must be some players who are initially informed and then uninformed and vice versa otherwise there is no point in the core role mechanic existing

therefore i don't think there's any correlation between owl's first role and their current one. sure they could still be informed, but if that's the case i don't think it's specifically because their first role was mafia

if we're going down this route i'd rather kill onion, since they've still largely avoided talking about the dkkoba situation and how they were a big part in getting him killed, and they still have not claimed their faction, but unlike dkkoba/mathblade they haven't even tried to soft some sort of restriction on what they can say, they are just.. choosing not to

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:04 pm**

the main thing i care about is making sure someone votes the same player so we can get off this site

@beancat could you vote fate again so we could get out? thanks

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:15 pm**

I'd like to vote out someone who hasn't shed off their first layer yet

this is lemon btw

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:18 pm**

Ya I'm not killing onion

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:19 pm**

I'll shoot onion, if it means anything, but that depends on if we think koba was actually evil, cause they did claim to go from rebels to the same alignment

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:20 pm**

Ok maybe I'd vote onion and I'm just being petty

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:28 pm**

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:15 pm I'd like to vote out someone who hasn't shed off their first layer yet

this is lemon btw

Why?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:29 pm**

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:03 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:54 pm I'm not too worried about you as I am worried about tilg, but I would love for u to try to find it. I still don't get what even a faction claim has to do with anything, but if you think claiming mean anything, why are u not voting Owl?
okay but spectatochat was actually a neutral so if anything this is the one piece of mech info we should actually listen to

as for owl, i'm not sure but i don't think having mafia as an initial role means you will have an informed minority role in the core world, otherwise it defeats the entire point of the mechanic.. there must be some players who are initially informed and then uninformed and vice versa otherwise there is no point in the core role mechanic existing

therefore i don't think there's any correlation between owl's first role and their current one. sure they could still be informed, but if that's the case i don't think it's specifically because their first role was mafia

if we're going down this route i'd rather kill onion, since they've still largely avoided talking about the dkkoba situation and how they were a big part in getting him killed, and they still have not claimed their faction, but unlike dkkoba/mathblade they haven't even tried to soft some sort of restriction on what they can say, they are just.. choosing not to

Also spec might have been neutral but shirou is claiming mafia, and beancat just doesn't look townie to me

But w/e floats ur boat

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:30 pm**

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:59 pm https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/osies- ... 1?u=arctic

they said they were town in this post, but shortly after when i talked to them in the hood they admitted they were mafia (same with kiiruma)

Also claim ur role

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:35 pm**

Whoever doesn't full claim by the end of this day phase I'm putting a bullet in them

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:40 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:29 pm
TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:03 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:54 pm I'm not too worried about you as I am worried about tilg, but I would love for u to try to find it. I still don't get what even a faction claim has to do with anything, but if you think claiming mean anything, why are u not voting Owl?
okay but spectatochat was actually a neutral so if anything this is the one piece of mech info we should actually listen to

as for owl, i'm not sure but i don't think having mafia as an initial role means you will have an informed minority role in the core world, otherwise it defeats the entire point of the mechanic.. there must be some players who are initially informed and then uninformed and vice versa otherwise there is no point in the core role mechanic existing

therefore i don't think there's any correlation between owl's first role and their current one. sure they could still be informed, but if that's the case i don't think it's specifically because their first role was mafia

if we're going down this route i'd rather kill onion, since they've still largely avoided talking about the dkkoba situation and how they were a big part in getting him killed, and they still have not claimed their faction, but unlike dkkoba/mathblade they haven't even tried to soft some sort of restriction on what they can say, they are just.. choosing not to
Also spec might have been neutral but shirou is claiming mafia, and beancat just doesn't look townie to me

But w/e floats ur boat

well, yes fate is mafia now but he was neutral before. same thing happened to spectatochat

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:41 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:35 pm Whoever doesn't full claim by the end of this day phase I'm putting a bullet in them

you only have 1 shot, and there's at least 5 trees. i like those odds.

but seriously speaking, i'll talk to vulgard about claiming. i dont really want to, and i doubt he will either, but shrug

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:47 pm**

Just to be a little clear in the thread I will out all my 1-shot items, just to show I have no intention of hiding anything, I doubt I survive another night after being shot twice in a row anyways

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:50 pm**

I mean, that might explain the lack of Mafia (2nd world) kills thus far, if the 2ndW minority faction is spending all factionals on Millium.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:54 pm**

I have 8 OG items and 1 additional item of which I have no idea why or where it came from
all these items are 1-shot

Motivator
Doctor
Bulletproof which is gone
Tracker
Watcher
Commuter
Messenger
Fruit Vendor (fruit does nothing)

Vigilante

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:54 pm**

Votecount

Voted (Votes): Voter

Whysper (3): TwoPlayersAndAOnion, TimHortons, DunkinDonuts
Millium (2): +2
beancat (1): Millium
TimHortons (1): TreeReaper
KurosakiIchogo (1): OwlsWriteLetters
OwlsWriteLetters (1): -1, Boquise, KurosakiIchogo
based (1): +1
Tsumugi (1): +1
Not Voting (10): ATNoLeafia, based, beancat, Bee, FateShirou, FoolsGold, SeonRichard, TownMisleaders, Tsumugi, Whysper

With 18 living non-exiled players, it takes 6 to eliminate via plurality at end of Day and 12 to eliminate via majority.

Checkpoint History:

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Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:57 pm**

@TwoPlayersAndAOnion
whhy are u still voting Whysper?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:01 pm**

[VOTE: Owls] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:04 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:01 pm [VOTE: Owls] aubergine

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 50#p917225
Fixed

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:04 pm**

god dmnit

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:10 pm**

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:40 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:29 pm
TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:03 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:54 pm I'm not too worried about you as I am worried about tilg, but I would love for u to try to find it. I still don't get what even a faction claim has to do with anything, but if you think claiming mean anything, why are u not voting Owl?
okay but spectatochat was actually a neutral so if anything this is the one piece of mech info we should actually listen to

as for owl, i'm not sure but i don't think having mafia as an initial role means you will have an informed minority role in the core world, otherwise it defeats the entire point of the mechanic.. there must be some players who are initially informed and then uninformed and vice versa otherwise there is no point in the core role mechanic existing

therefore i don't think there's any correlation between owl's first role and their current one. sure they could still be informed, but if that's the case i don't think it's specifically because their first role was mafia

if we're going down this route i'd rather kill onion, since they've still largely avoided talking about the dkkoba situation and how they were a big part in getting him killed, and they still have not claimed their faction, but unlike dkkoba/mathblade they haven't even tried to soft some sort of restriction on what they can say, they are just.. choosing not to
Also spec might have been neutral but shirou is claiming mafia, and beancat just doesn't look townie to me

But w/e floats ur boat
well, yes fate is mafia now but he was neutral before. same thing happened to spectatochat

i thought u said they stayed neutral?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:10 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:57 pm @TwoPlayersAndAOnion
whhy are u still voting Whysper?

I'm unsure of the current game state. I'll ask Dolby and if they're not around I guess I have some catching up to do. -TGT

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:13 pm**

so u are just not reading then? lol

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:15 pm**

and why havent u claimed ur new role?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:20 pm**

Why does this thread die when I get home...
You guys understand that, even if by chance we switch sites, there isn't much of a likelihood that we immediately go back to a site using discourse
We probably have to cycle through the rest before we go back to FoL, and at best I can think of only two other sites that use discourse, Mafia 451 and Animebase? I think Animebase is also discourse

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:22 pm**

so colors are mechanically relevant, but they don't mean anything in terms of alignment
so its very likely we can assume all flips are true, so from my standpoint, 3 evils are dead

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:23 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:13 pm so u are just not reading then? lol

I'm backreading now! -TGT

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:26 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:28 pm
FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:15 pm I'd like to vote out someone who hasn't shed off their first layer yet

this is lemon btw
Why?

why am I lemon?
because I just am

jk
I think just from numbers, most of the first flips we've had have been town (which I think should be the "good" faction for world 1).
From the "evil" factions (which should be wolves, mafia and spies), only 1 wolf and 1 mafia have flipped.
There are 13 unflipped slots.
Assuming conservatively that there are 1 to 2 slots per evil faction, we have 1 to 4 evils within the 13.
That actually doesn't sound that great but I'd skew towards 4 more, as that makes more sense for balance.
4/13 is kind of better but not enough to hard vote within the non-flipped people.

Actually, I don't have enough reason to justify this in terms of numbers.
But for me personally, I'd like to see a spy flip and also I think game might be closer to a regular mafia game if we all get our core roles.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:27 pm**

not sure if my last post makes sense or not

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:28 pm**

TwoPlayersAndAOnion wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:23 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:13 pm so u are just not reading then? lol
I'm backreading now! -TGT

I get that, but with 3 heads none of you have been reading the thread, or found it meaningfully relevant to think, "hmm, Whysper isn't actually outted, let me think this through"
we have less than 24 hours left, and the top trains are Whysper, who could possibly be a wolf, but they certainly arent outted

and me, because my hated modifer keeps going up due to my frustration in thread (give or take, that's my assumption based on some question's to Osie)

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:33 pm**

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Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:35 pm**

essentially, my perspective as a former 1st layer evil faction member is that I wanted to kill off the players who have already died before to get rid of them
I also wanted the people who haven't yet shed their first layer to remain that way for the most part so that the uninformed maj from the 2nd layer would not narrow down options from the other 1st flips and be more likely to deduce that my slot was scum

so now I'm thinking of doing the opposite of that

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:35 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:28 pm
TwoPlayersAndAOnion wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:23 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:13 pm so u are just not reading then? lol
I'm backreading now! -TGT
I get that, but with 3 heads none of you have been reading the thread, or found it meaningfully relevant to think, "hmm, Whysper isn't actually outted, let me think this through"
we have less than 24 hours left, and the top trains are Whysper, who could possibly be a wolf, but they certainly arent outted

and me, because my hated modifer keeps going up due to my frustration in thread (give or take, that's my assumption based on some question's to Osie)

It's a sad state of affairs that Rask as far as I know has posted nothing and honestly, Dolby(4) is putting out more content than me. -TGT

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:40 pm**

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:35 pm essentially, my perspective as a former 1st layer evil faction member is that I wanted to kill off the players who have already died before to get rid of them
I also wanted the people who haven't yet shed their first layer to remain that way for the most part so that the uninformed maj from the 2nd layer would not narrow down options from the other 1st flips and be more likely to deduce that my slot was scum

so now I'm thinking of doing the opposite of that

what

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:43 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:40 pm
FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:35 pm essentially, my perspective as a former 1st layer evil faction member is that I wanted to kill off the players who have already died before to get rid of them
I also wanted the people who haven't yet shed their first layer to remain that way for the most part so that the uninformed maj from the 2nd layer would not narrow down options from the other 1st flips and be more likely to deduce that my slot was scum

so now I'm thinking of doing the opposite of that
what

it made more sense when I was thinking it in my head QAQ

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:43 pm**

why the hell am I just finding out about this now

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:46 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:54 pm I have 8 OG items and 1 additional item of which I have no idea why or where it came from
all these items are 1-shot

Motivator
Doctor
Bulletproof which is gone
Tracker
Watcher
Commuter
Messenger
Fruit Vendor (fruit does nothing)

Vigilante

Would you mind telling me what fruit it is eventho I probably know?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:47 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:44 pm I mean u are definitely something for meming who I was, when I was for the most part not trying to claim it

Naw you can't claim not trying to out when you literally told me who you were lol, and it takes like five seconds to find out

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