The Syndicate

I think it was Martin and Gnome yeah

Meh. Might as well write it down.

Owner of a Lonely Heart
13
59%
Voters: Tangrowth, Actvscenei, MartinGG99, Allcrab, JaggedJimmyJay, Kito, Alison, Sloonei, Guillotine, Dana, Seanzie, Garden Gnome, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Though anyone secret-voting realistically cannot prove when they voted so I don't see much point over this issue.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:25 pm I think it was Martin and Gnome yeah

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MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:26 pm Meh. Might as well write it down.

Owner of a Lonely Heart
13
59%
Voters: Tangrowth, Actvscenei, MartinGG99, Allcrab, JaggedJimmyJay, Kito, Alison, Sloonei, Guillotine, Dana, Seanzie, Garden Gnome, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Though anyone secret-voting realistically cannot prove when they voted so I don't see much point over this issue.

Well it is definitely true that no one joining the wagon at this point is getting any townpoints, people don't want to end up off-wagon since people may scrutinize the list off-wagoners tomorrow. Since it is pretty reasonable to think that the wolves are very dispirited right now, and thus possibly a bit loath to post, I wouldn't put it past one to secret-vote in order to avoid having to engage in thread while still not being on the off-wagon list. Do you disagree that a wolf might try to secret vote here?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:25 pm I think it was Martin and Gnome yeah

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That was in response to me asking who just voted for Owner. You just put a vote in the poll a few minutes ago, right?

Just an FYI, I'm vines deep in grading my students' words and numbers and will be for the foreseeable future, but I promise I'll be back when I can, it just may have to be tomorrow. You all are amazing, and I'm so thankful for the effort that every single player is putting forth.

Oh and if you want me to see something please ping me, thank you so much!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:35 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:26 pm Meh. Might as well write it down.

Owner of a Lonely Heart
13
59%
Voters: Tangrowth, Actvscenei, MartinGG99, Allcrab, JaggedJimmyJay, Kito, Alison, Sloonei, Guillotine, Dana, Seanzie, Garden Gnome, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Though anyone secret-voting realistically cannot prove when they voted so I don't see much point over this issue.

Well it is definitely true that no one joining the wagon at this point is getting any townpoints, people don't want to end up off-wagon since people may scrutinize the list off-wagoners tomorrow. Since it is pretty reasonable to think that the wolves are very dispirited right now, and thus possibly a bit loath to post, I wouldn't put it past one to secret-vote in order to avoid having to engage in thread while still not being on the off-wagon list. Do you disagree that a wolf might try to secret vote here?

I would imagine after a bit of time after Owner's disappearance wolves would've probably not want to move at all. Whether they voted anyone or not voted. Though my current philosophical position on the wagons so far may be influencing my thoughts here.

It's just potential attention on a sensitive issue of voting. If many of the "town-core" players we have are indeed town then the wolves outside of it need to think very creatively as to how they will make it to F-X and who may be chopped. I would imagine their voting patterns and their reasons for it, as well as to when they vote, can potentially be very sensitive to them. Changing their votes, at a time where there is not a whole lot of conflict over the leading wagon (or even much activity in the thread at times), risks them being questioned about it.

Though if Owner is town then I suppose the pressure on them may be lesser.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:23 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart whom did you target with your fruit of love?

I gave JJJ and Gavial a passion fruit. I can target 2 people each night. I have 3 different 1 shot fruits: passion fruit, banana and pomegranate. I don't know what any of them do, aside from a little description. The passion fruit was lucky. I thought to myself if anyone was to get lucky it had to be JJJ, but then I wasn't incredibly sure who I wanted him to be lucky with. I figured I needed to probably pick someone from Cindy Kate. Yes, this is suppose to be a date between the 2 sites, but I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts I want there to be lots of progress made, not to say there hasn't been. I wanted someone who could maybe keep up if it was that sort of thing.

The banana is squishy, and the pomegranate is problematic.

I really assumed that the fruit would have been mentioned. Maybe that's not how it works? I should maybe ask more questions.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart, your vote is still on a mechanically confirmed townie. For what it’s worth.

How is she mechanically confirmed town? I haven't seen anything yet that would maybe suggest that. But I'm a bit behind.

@Seanzie speak immediately

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:02 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart, your vote is still on a mechanically confirmed townie. For what it’s worth.

How is she mechanically confirmed town? I haven't seen anything yet that would maybe suggest that. But I'm a bit behind.

Belzy desperado shot her and died. That confirms Tangy as non-mafia.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 am Better question why did you not self-pres onto nutella and try to do it onto made instead?

There's been multiple games where self-presing has gotten me mislynched instead, so in my mind it isn't always the best option.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:03 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:02 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart, your vote is still on a mechanically confirmed townie. For what it’s worth.

How is she mechanically confirmed town? I haven't seen anything yet that would maybe suggest that. But I'm a bit behind.

Belzy desperado shot her and died. That confirms Tangy as non-mafia.

Could she still be 3p though? That's what I read her as. Also, I don't know what this desperado shot is.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:03 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:02 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart, your vote is still on a mechanically confirmed townie. For what it’s worth.

How is she mechanically confirmed town? I haven't seen anything yet that would maybe suggest that. But I'm a bit behind.

Belzy desperado shot her and died. That confirms Tangy as non-mafia.

Could she still be 3p though? That's what I read her as. Also, I don't know what this desperado shot is.

Why do you read Tangy as 3p?

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:58 pm If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:16 pm Roses are red
Violets are blue
Blood is also red
Spilling out of you


@Belzy has died!

Spoiler: show

She was a Town 1-Shot Desperado

The day continues. Please do not vote for Belzy. Any vote for Belzy in the poll at the end of the day will be considered an unvote.

Usually it only confirms someone as not-mafia though. So I don't know if that's a mis-spoke by Belzy or not.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart why are you voting for a 3p read?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:00 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:23 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart whom did you target with your fruit of love?

I gave JJJ and Gavial a passion fruit. I can target 2 people each night. I have 3 different 1 shot fruits: passion fruit, banana and pomegranate. I don't know what any of them do, aside from a little description. The passion fruit was lucky. I thought to myself if anyone was to get lucky it had to be JJJ, but then I wasn't incredibly sure who I wanted him to be lucky with. I figured I needed to probably pick someone from Cindy Kate. Yes, this is suppose to be a date between the 2 sites, but I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts I want there to be lots of progress made, not to say there hasn't been. I wanted someone who could maybe keep up if it was that sort of thing.

The banana is squishy, and the pomegranate is problematic.

I really assumed that the fruit would have been mentioned. Maybe that's not how it works? I should maybe ask more questions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:07 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:03 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:02 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart, your vote is still on a mechanically confirmed townie. For what it’s worth.

How is she mechanically confirmed town? I haven't seen anything yet that would maybe suggest that. But I'm a bit behind.

Belzy desperado shot her and died. That confirms Tangy as non-mafia.

Could she still be 3p though? That's what I read her as. Also, I don't know what this desperado shot is.

Why do you read Tangy as 3p?

It's a feeling, Jay. But also 3p post a lot and get concerned when you call them out on it. One of my old posts explained it better.

let me be the first to say that I believe owner lol

What? Do people not hunt for 3p at the start of the game?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:12 am It's a feeling, Jay. But also 3p post a lot and get concerned when you call them out on it. One of my old posts explained it better.

3p post a lot? is that like.. a thing

I haven't gotten the sense that tangy is concerned about being called out for posting a lot

Dana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:15 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:12 am It's a feeling, Jay. But also 3p post a lot and get concerned when you call them out on it. One of my old posts explained it better.

3p post a lot? is that like.. a thing

kinda yeah i often consider 3p uninhibited in the way mafia are because 3p can scum hunt and they don't have a private chat to maintain... so for players that have volume tells, they don't apply when they rand 3p

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:13 am What? Do people not hunt for 3p at the start of the game?

I can't speak for everyone, but I have not thought about that much at all yet.

My limited experience with 3P games and being a 3P once is that being a 3P really doesn't have much of an impact on posting. There really isn't much of a reduction unless they intend to have town tear itself apart or simply fear becoming the mafia night-kill.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:12 am let me be the first to say that I believe owner lol

We don't even know with any degree of certainty that third party player(s) in this game are hostile. The poison is a possibility, but it's happened once. I don't understand a 3p-focused hunt from a town mindset.

On The Syndicate here fmpov so far most towns tend to hunt mafia first and then 3P's second.

Some stick that to that regimen so much that we have lost games over it trying to find the last mafia when in fact the mafia were long-dead and the 3P had gained the factional kill ability.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart so you described yourself as a fruit vendor before, are you described as a fruit vendor or something else?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:19 am We don't even know with any degree of certainty that third party player(s) in this game are hostile. The poison is a possibility, but it's happened once. I don't understand a 3p-focused hunt from a town mindset.

I like accurately catching all the scum. I like to have good reads. But lately, I don't feel I have them as much as I use to.

@JaggedJimmyJay and @Gavial said the dating mechanic did literally nothing at all except the flavour announcement and there is nobody else claiming it so I have to believe that owner caused it and it kinda makes sense to be a fruit vendor mechanically if it does literally nothing except flavour stuff.

The date with Gavial takes place in the night phase. I expect it to be BTSC. It has done nothing today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:24 am The date with Gavial takes place in the night phase. I expect it to be BTSC. It has done nothing today.

Ohhh ok I didn't read that part.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:56 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:01 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:18 pm hello everyone! I'm so nervous but also very excited to make lots of new friends!!

This post has my attention. Don’t like it. Seems scummy.

Let’s get to know each other more so I can get rid of this icky feeling. What are you most excited about and what are you most nervous for?

Oof, this "icky feeling" pinged me...I wish I saved a screenshot of the votes to know if I mind melded with some people

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:14 pm First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine Day 1 questionnaires are sus

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though the question seems harmless...hmmm

idk...

There are too many good trips to pick from...final answer

At a glance these are the only accusations I see from Owner against non-Tangy players. And they did not amount to any real follow-up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:20 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart so you described yourself as a fruit vendor before, are you described as a fruit vendor or something else?

I'm not sure if I like this fishing. Someone was talking about it looked like the opening implied that role claiming was a bad thing. In case by chance I survive, I would like to not outright claim it all to prevent something like soup kill.

ftr I don't care at all about secret voting. I sometimes call votes and forgot to vote in the poll and vice versa. and in this case owner is red checked and the consensus exe by a country mile so wagonomics on there are useless.

The role claim may be legit to whatever degree. I don't think that makes Owner town.

gut feeling to owner's updated role claim is that it's legit. at the very least, SOMEONE caused gavial/JJJ to "go on a date" whatever that means, and unless someone counterclaims being the cause of that, it's probably owner (or someone on owner's team if owner is wolf).

like JJJ I don't think it's strongly alignment indicative, since I could see both town and mafia roles doing it. And we still don't know what Seanzie and his secret mech have to say about this updated claim; it seems somewhat pointless to speculate any more while Seanzie still hasn't given word on it.

Dana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:15 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:12 am It's a feeling, Jay. But also 3p post a lot and get concerned when you call them out on it. One of my old posts explained it better.

3p post a lot? is that like.. a thing

It's something that I've seen, but I don't know how widespread it is, or if these people that I have observed also just have a strong town game.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:13 am What? Do people not hunt for 3p at the start of the game?

I think that mafia is a higher priority than 3P. Do you disagree?

Dana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:16 am I haven't gotten the sense that tangy is concerned about being called out for posting a lot

Not called out for posting a lot, called out for scum reading them, the way she reacted makes me think she's trying to get on my good side, though I don't see why that would be necessary when lots of people want me dead

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:38 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:13 am What? Do people not hunt for 3p at the start of the game?

I think that mafia is a higher priority than 3P. Do you disagree?

Tangy is my strongest read. If I had a stronger mafia read, yeah that probably would be my push, but right now I don't have one that high. Mafia are definitely the priority.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:20 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart so you described yourself as a fruit vendor before, are you described as a fruit vendor or something else?

I'm not sure if I like this fishing. Someone was talking about it looked like the opening implied that role claiming was a bad thing. In case by chance I survive, I would like to not outright claim it all to prevent something like soup kill.

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:02 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:02 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:29 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

Question dodged. Noted.

Just reviewed day end votes and you never posted your Made vote in thread, why not?

I didn't remember where the vote button was, so I just made the post that JJJ quoted

So what's our plan if Seanzie comes back and goes "ok Owner's claim is legit, I rescind my red check"

I guess I might just keep voting owner because the role claim being legit doesn't preclude owner being mafia

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:47 am So what's our plan if Seanzie comes back and goes "ok Owner's claim is legit, I rescind my red check"

kill bad bunny?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:48 am I guess I might just keep voting owner because the role claim being legit doesn't preclude owner being mafia

it self resolves tho? if anything bad happens to jay/gavial then she dies? if they get a cozy btsc and fall in love she's probably just town?