The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:04 pm Also, is it "TH-unal" or "TOO-nal?" Or neither?

THOO-nal which I think is the same as TH-unal?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:03 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:04 pm Was Seanzie's "cop check" actually a desperado? He added Dennis to the list here which could be an RT but it could be him really thinking of targeting Dennis:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:51 pm Mac or dennis or Thumal

I still can't figure out who his clear is though.

Define: desperado?

Someone who shoots someone and the target dies if they're mafia but the shooter dies if the target is town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:04 am Tutuu died 38 minutes after the day ended. That's not an end of day resolution that's a during night resolution.

I received my gift 17 minutes after day ended.

I think that Tutuu blew up cuz she opened a gift.

Tbf Tutuu also claimed she got a warning that she was going to die so that could be what killed her. I still wouldn't open the gift.

Wait what if Dennis is greed and the gift giver and his gifts do bad stuff but he's hoping people will be greedy enough to open them?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:58 am No townie claiming the Pyxxy kill makes it even more likely methinks.

Maybe Dennis would just be dying anyway if we didn't flip him. Theorycraft time.

Pyxxy was John Doe. Dennis was Pride.

Pyxxy chose to use the pride role on n1, and chose to roleswap with Dennis. Roleswapping causes you to die one night later.

Dennis gets outed on day 2. He's fine with it cuz he can just roleswap his way out on night 2. So at no point does he give a shit. Kate knows this also because they had BTSC hence why she specifically ate the chop on purpose. So Dennis could get to night and swap out.

If the above were true, Dennis would die tonight and we're completely wasting a chop.

Kate said Dennis was specifically greed though, and so far Seanzie's claims from the BTSC have been accurate. Also If Dennis were the actual John Doe then I don't really think he gives up this easily? He could very easily have been roleblocked or killed at night because he outed.

This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:47 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:33 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:27 am Do you know if tutuu died for breaking an imposed unknows post cap?

I mean its the only thing that makes sense and with that in mind Mac is probably dead because he has been forced to be unable to vote for Seanzie

I have a tinfoil if tutuu was killed by this method

Thunal came into the day with a restriction as well and said she don't want to die if she posts much.
I have no idea how many posts she had that day, but I doubt they're many.
It's like she knew about the death sentence who came for posting over a number of posts and thought the action against her was similar with the action against tutuu.

I disliked the optimistic tone when she said we are in a good spot or something

Btw I didn't know what the post restriction was but thought it was plausible I would die if I posted too much so I got in the habit of condensing my posts into walls. I said pretty much everything I wanted to say yesterday. I don't even think Tutuu died for the post restriction, I think she died for the note she got that she said she was going to die.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.

Can you explain on Nanook? It's pretty hard for me to read him partly because I think his reaction posts at EoD2 were exaggerated regardless of his alignment.

Where is Nanook anyway

I did in fact pass out while reading Michelle's ISO so starting that over

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:28 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.

Can you explain on Nanook? It's pretty hard for me to read him partly because I think his reaction posts at EoD2 were exaggerated regardless of his alignment.

Nanook is tunneling me as town when I low post because he is convinced I can't high post as scum so there's no other explanation for me to low post
I didn't notice a read on me in this game. We were itt in the same time, but he didn't try to talk to me.
That's very weak per se, but I started to add micro elements to it, like the post when he told Mac he has to die because he tunneled/ was wrong on Porscha. In the best case Mac should be voted as wolf/sin not because he was wrong. There are more for sure but I have just this one in memory.
Also it's the fact Sean just started to say he suspects Nook when he died. That's wifom, but we should talk about it

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:30 am Where is Nanook anyway

I did in fact pass out while reading Michelle's ISO so starting that over

was it so boring?

Perhaps playing a multiball game where I don't even have meta to fall back on for anyone was a mistake

Anyway

@Michelle do you still feel like non-village would have capitalized on the opportunity for an early tutuu wagon?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:07 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:56 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:35 pm tutuu
4
40%
Voters: Zenon, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, RondoDimBuckle

Wagon getting even spicyer

What's so spicy about it?




Which vote is the spicy-est?

Idk.
There's a theory that the wolves would help in making an early wagon to show activity, or a wolf pissed enough townies to get a wagon.
But in this game things are weird.
Tutuu is weird, game mechanics are weird, so the theory remains just a theory.

Tutuu with a wagon is spicy anyway, I don't remember a wagon on town!tutuu so early

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:38 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:30 am Where is Nanook anyway

I did in fact pass out while reading Michelle's ISO so starting that over

was it so boring?

No pls I'm just adjusting to time zone change and one of my cats has been waking me up early too

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:41 am Perhaps playing a multiball game where I don't even have meta to fall back on for anyone was a mistake

Anyway

@Michelle do you still feel like non-village would have capitalized on the opportunity for an early tutuu wagon?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:07 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:56 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:35 pm tutuu
4
40%
Voters: Zenon, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, RondoDimBuckle

Wagon getting even spicyer

What's so spicy about it?




Which vote is the spicy-est?

Idk.
There's a theory that the wolves would help in making an early wagon to show activity, or a wolf pissed enough townies to get a wagon.
But in this game things are weird.
Tutuu is weird, game mechanics are weird, so the theory remains just a theory.

Tutuu with a wagon is spicy anyway, I don't remember a wagon on town!tutuu so early

Sometimes it is a wolf in a 4 people early wagon, but that wasn't the only ome iirc. At least a wolf or sin should have a vote at that moment

Unfortunately i am on phone and digging in my spoilered VCs is hard now, and to understand the gamestate of D1 better, we need more flips.

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:43 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:38 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:30 am Where is Nanook anyway

I did in fact pass out while reading Michelle's ISO so starting that over

was it so boring?

No pls I'm just adjusting to time zone change and one of my cats has been waking me up early too

Awww your cute kitty is town ^^
(I was teasing you tbh)

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:51 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:43 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:38 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:30 am Where is Nanook anyway

I did in fact pass out while reading Michelle's ISO so starting that over

was it so boring?

No pls I'm just adjusting to time zone change and one of my cats has been waking me up early too

Awww your cute kitty is town ^^
(I was teasing you tbh)

He's definitely chaos

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:48 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:41 am Perhaps playing a multiball game where I don't even have meta to fall back on for anyone was a mistake

Anyway

@Michelle do you still feel like non-village would have capitalized on the opportunity for an early tutuu wagon?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:07 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:56 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:35 pm tutuu
4
40%
Voters: Zenon, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, RondoDimBuckle

Wagon getting even spicyer

What's so spicy about it?




Which vote is the spicy-est?

Idk.
There's a theory that the wolves would help in making an early wagon to show activity, or a wolf pissed enough townies to get a wagon.
But in this game things are weird.
Tutuu is weird, game mechanics are weird, so the theory remains just a theory.

Tutuu with a wagon is spicy anyway, I don't remember a wagon on town!tutuu so early

Sometimes it is a wolf in a 4 people early wagon, but that wasn't the only ome iirc. At least a wolf or sin should have a vote at that moment

Unfortunately i am on phone and digging in my spoilered VCs is hard now, and to understand the gamestate of D1 better, we need more flips.

Yeah I understand the phone struggle. I'm looking at the VCs as I go through your ISO so maybe I'll find something interesting.

Michelle's push back at Mac early d2 reads extremely towny to me so there's that.

I suspect I'm going to end up with too many town reads because of how easy it would be for uninformed purple dudes to slip into town mindset. But maybe that'll help me find John Doe? Idk.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:36 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:28 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.

Can you explain on Nanook? It's pretty hard for me to read him partly because I think his reaction posts at EoD2 were exaggerated regardless of his alignment.

Nanook is tunneling me as town when I low post because he is convinced I can't high post as scum so there's no other explanation for me to low post
I didn't notice a read on me in this game. We were itt in the same time, but he didn't try to talk to me.
That's very weak per se, but I started to add micro elements to it, like the post when he told Mac he has to die because he tunneled/ was wrong on Porscha. In the best case Mac should be voted as wolf/sin not because he was wrong. There are more for sure but I have just this one in memory.
Also it's the fact Sean just started to say he suspects Nook when he died. That's wifom, but we should talk about it

I had a tinfoil theory that Nanook thought Sean redchecked him instead of clearing someone and that's why he died. I also wonder if Sean even had a clear at all or if he was just reaction testing.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:11 pm

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:50 pm Oh it was falcon

@falcon45ca @MacDougall pls discuss your disparate reads on Michelle, thank you

Why is this important for you?

I never saw this so in case you still care about the answer - it depends on how good of a read rate they each have on you, but I've found digging into diametrically opposed reads on the same player to be fruitful before, particularly if the players involved are generally decent at reading the subject. I wanted more detail on each of their perspectives.

And I'm not sure if either of them answered me at the time lol

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:14 pm Michelle's push back at Mac early d2 reads extremely towny to me so there's that.

I suspect I'm going to end up with too many town reads because of how easy it would be for uninformed purple dudes to slip into town mindset. But maybe that'll help me find John Doe? Idk.

The problem is we don't even know if John Doe is uninformed. He could be able to genuinely solve for the sins who aren't mafia aligned.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:21 pm

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:14 pm Michelle's push back at Mac early d2 reads extremely towny to me so there's that.

I suspect I'm going to end up with too many town reads because of how easy it would be for uninformed purple dudes to slip into town mindset. But maybe that'll help me find John Doe? Idk.

The problem is we don't even know if John Doe is uninformed. He could be able to genuinely solve for the sins who aren't mafia aligned.

Yeah I'm just kinda running with the hope that there is some informed faction at this point, even if it's very small. Either that JD knows all the sins or has recruited so knows like... one?

Because otherwise I don't really know how to approach solving if everyone can authentically scumhunt. Besides just following mechanics.

@Michelle can you walk me through what changed your mind on Mac from strong scum read to tinfoilable/not where you want to go today?

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:31 pm @Michelle can you walk me through what changed your mind on Mac from strong scum read to tinfoilable/not where you want to go today?

His claim.
Mac is competent scum, there wasn't a real need to expose Kate and Dennis in one move, he could do something else for town credit.

Tinfoil comes from the fact he saved himself with that move, and that means survivalism.
In a vacuum that's NAI, a good player have to be alive to win as either alignament, but in this game if he is John Doe if he dies it's a blatant loss.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:58 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:47 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:45 am Tbh I am feeling no town wim. Completely forgot about this game too lol.

Tbf, we essentially outted two wolfs in the same day but the wolves don’t have tmi. It’s hard to wim at forgone conclusions.

Yeah, I felt good with a mafia flip since I love interaction analysis and looking at spew but it's not as straightforward as I wanted it to be. I'm less confident pyxxy actually knew John Doe and if he did there's nothing I found that points to a specific John Doe. I feel a bit burnt out now.

Without even going into the "John Doe can switch roles" theory, which I don't believe in but I also haven't seen this movie and the JD role has secrets so I'm not ruling it out entirely.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:32 pm I have questions. Bear in mind, that I’m an ancient and come from the school of looking for evidence, as solving, rather than just throwing out suspicions willynilly and be accepted as town because of that.

@Epignosis you suggested the first night kill may have been redirection. I’m not sure how you arrived at that, or if it was just a suggestion, like a possibility in a role madness game. Can you clear that up?

@MacDougall I don’t know where to start. I tend to believe you are JD. After outing yourself, it’s logical that JD would want you gone, but you weren’t nk’d. When Seanzie said he was going to check you, you were trying very hard to change his mind. Then Seanzie dies.
Maybe you’re being framed idk. John Doe is supposed to gain mafia partners, but maybe John Doe is supposed to kill the sins, just like in the movie. He’s a lone serial killer who believes he is smarter than everyone else, so I could see that happening. When you said that you tracked Kate, maybe you ‘stalked’ Kate. In other words, maybe you’re just claiming to be a town tracker, but you’re an SK who stalks on odd nights. Idk. Or maybe JD is not supposed to kill the sins, and when you said you tracked Kate to Dennis, you didn’t think about someone else popping up with more info, like Seanzie did, so you had to sacrifice a potential partner.
Or maybe I just don’t trust players who lead the thread, thinking of Golden in the anniversary game here as a great example. I’m trying to be rid of preconceived inclinations, and trying to balance circumstantial evidence with a lot of maybes. It’s overwhelming in role madness games to try and feel sure of anything. But for now, I can’t help feeling you’re the big bad.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't find this post intriguing

@pretty much anyone, what was the sequence of events with the Kate/Dennis outting? Did Mac bring up the tracking before or after Sean outted Kate?

Oh @S~V~S

360 no scope is a term from first person shooter video games. Generally, sniper rifles are pinpoint accurate, deal super high damage and have super high range with their scope. They're used for killing enemies with one headshot at long range before they even know you're there or before they can get close enough to shoot back. Up close, they're are super hard to use. The scope zoom is worthless at close range. Imagine trying to punch someone with binoculars glued to your face. And if you miss, the rate of fire is so low that you'll probably be dead before you get another shot. But you do have a chance to take an unzoomed headshot, which will still kill your enemy in one hit. Pulling this off is difficult and is referred to as "no scoping." 360 is just spinning in a circle. So like if you've got a sniper rifle out and you look behind you and oh shit there's a bad guy, the only effective (but difficult to pull off) move is to attempt that no scope headshot while spinning.

So essentially "360 no scope" is a one shot kill on an enemy that takes a lot of skill and is worth bragging about. Metaphorically, taking a wolf from comfortable with their position to yeeted is the mafia equivalent.

When I said OMG SVS DYNE 360NS that's me saying "oh my god, SVS, do you not even 360 no scope?"

8 vs 6 (ish)

Jack
Mac
Rondo
Thunal

Roxy
Falcon

Dubz
Mata
SVS
Epi

Michelle
Wilgy
Nook - mac says give him another chance

Dennis - mechanically outted

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:16 pm 8 vs 6 (ish)

Jack
Mac
Rondo
Thunal

Roxy
Falcon

Dubz
Mata
SVS
Epi

Michelle
Wilgy
Nook - mac says give him another chance

Dennis - mechanically outted

Explain the Poe pls
Don't come at me with meta, we played last time long ago

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:13 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:32 pm I have questions. Bear in mind, that I’m an ancient and come from the school of looking for evidence, as solving, rather than just throwing out suspicions willynilly and be accepted as town because of that.

@Epignosis you suggested the first night kill may have been redirection. I’m not sure how you arrived at that, or if it was just a suggestion, like a possibility in a role madness game. Can you clear that up?

@MacDougall I don’t know where to start. I tend to believe you are JD. After outing yourself, it’s logical that JD would want you gone, but you weren’t nk’d. When Seanzie said he was going to check you, you were trying very hard to change his mind. Then Seanzie dies.
Maybe you’re being framed idk. John Doe is supposed to gain mafia partners, but maybe John Doe is supposed to kill the sins, just like in the movie. He’s a lone serial killer who believes he is smarter than everyone else, so I could see that happening. When you said that you tracked Kate, maybe you ‘stalked’ Kate. In other words, maybe you’re just claiming to be a town tracker, but you’re an SK who stalks on odd nights. Idk. Or maybe JD is not supposed to kill the sins, and when you said you tracked Kate to Dennis, you didn’t think about someone else popping up with more info, like Seanzie did, so you had to sacrifice a potential partner.
Or maybe I just don’t trust players who lead the thread, thinking of Golden in the anniversary game here as a great example. I’m trying to be rid of preconceived inclinations, and trying to balance circumstantial evidence with a lot of maybes. It’s overwhelming in role madness games to try and feel sure of anything. But for now, I can’t help feeling you’re the big bad.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't find this post intriguing

@pretty much anyone, what was the sequence of events with the Kate/Dennis outting? Did Mac bring up the tracking before or after Sean outted Kate?

The best question itg
@Thunal33 do you know the answer?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:39 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:15 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:55 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:45 am Mother fuckers I knew that something was off. I check thread and one of you asses have killed Seanzie. If it was a hero shot you had better claim soon or I'm just going to murder you regardless of when you claim for such a bad shot. Otherwise if you're a sin you done fucked up

there's no way is a hero shot

I am very queefed by Rondo.

Roxy linked the explanation to that word, i would like you to reformulate.
I also have something to say about Rondo after

I meant what I said

I'm sorry but this whole line of dialogue is hilarious!

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:27 am Do you know if tutuu died for breaking an imposed unknows post cap?

I felt like they did personally at the time but now knowing there are gifts queefing around I am not so sure.






sorry I could resist

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:29 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:27 am I need everyone's opinion please

No clue. I got a note telling me to post a lot and I hardly said shit. I'm still here.

Kate took credit for that during the elim phase iirc.

Liked your mech post and laughed when I seen the part about how things are going with the Thunal quote- made me giggle.

I would like to hear your thoughts about who JD is. Just guess your top 2 or 3 suspects.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:33 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:27 am Do you know if tutuu died for breaking an imposed unknows post cap?

I mean its the only thing that makes sense and with that in mind Mac is probably dead because he has been forced to be unable to vote for Seanzie

I do hope you are wrong.

Where are we going after Dennis? Who should I look closely at?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:42 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:41 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:36 am Michelle if Ender was here and I was Ender would you tell me if you were bad?

Ender would know my alignament by now, he don't have to ask.

Got it, bad.

Do you believe Michelle is bad? I have felt good about her after D 1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:50 am Maybe Seanzie was tunneling me because he was told to vote me the same way I was told to vote him.

Maybe this agent of chaos decided to turn us against one another.

Just a theory. Don't get mad at me Epi.

actually this is a pretty good theory.

Seeing how Seanzie is still on the poll are you going to follow through and vote him? Just curious bc I cannot remember if you said you had to vote for him or not.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:51 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:42 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:41 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:36 am Michelle if Ender was here and I was Ender would you tell me if you were bad?

Ender would know my alignament by now, he don't have to ask.

Got it, bad.

I don't trust silly tests like these, idk what do you think you will accomplish

it will accomplish a reaction like the one you gave here.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:50 am Maybe Seanzie was tunneling me because he was told to vote me the same way I was told to vote him.

Maybe this agent of chaos decided to turn us against one another.

Just a theory. Don't get mad at me Epi.

I doubt town Sean would need to voice a tinfoil to cast a vote. Just saying

I get you but what if the note required Seanzie to be believable? Like make a case/tinfoil and vote accordingly.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:54 am 48 hours of my life just to get the guy who was outed yesterday. Such pain. Where you at town day vig.

A thought. The fact Pyxxy died and Dennis didn't makes it fairly likely that town aren't the reason Pyxxy is dead? Like if it was a straight town vig, Dennis would be dead not Pyxxy?

My kingdom for a hammer

nah we need discussion makes baddies uncomfortable.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:02 am I know Epi said that there's a chance Dennis is John Doe but like ... as if? He's been belly up for two days, he isn't gonna be John Doe and just give up. He might have BEEN John Doe but he sure as hell isn't now.

conspiracy time:

What if Dennis got a note or a restriction that keeps him from posting?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.

I'm not a sin silly, and I am playing. Just not in a way that's constructive at all.

Hoenstly, if it helps to just clear me and remove me from PoE:
I was BTSC with Seanzie before they were killed. Seanzie was helping me get into the game while at the same time I shared all my info with them.

Between BTSC Seanzie's PoE went from including me here:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:02 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:29 pm So who do people think John Doe is?

Nook, Thun, Jack, Wilgy, Falcon all deserve more scrutiny IMO. You might as well, but this is the first post I think I've seen of you, so I'm not actually qualified to say anything about you at this point.

If I had to order the list it would probably be

Nook
Falcon
Wilgy
Jack
Thun

In order of most likely baddie to least likely baddie.

To not after sharing data:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:04 am Is there a sort of...thread consensus POE so I can prioritize ISOs? I've only really looked at flips and where I was mentioned (will get to that shortly), and I skimmed end of D2 last night.

Dennis is outed. We are looking for more baddies. My eyes are on Nook. I am wary of Falcon and Roxy. People like Jack and Epi deserve more scrutiny IMO, but idk if this is consensus, but I am town KING, so what I say, goes.

I share this as I don't think anyone would counter claim me on being in BTSC with Seanzie and Seanzie wouldn't remove me from the PoE without good reason. If less energy is wasted assessing me, I'd say this is a net positive for the town.

Yes, it's positive, tnx Wilgy

quote=S~V~S]
Town for sure (except this group is pretty much in order),

Mac
Roxy
Rondo

Town Prolly Maybe

Epi
Jack
Thunal

???
Dubz, I understand she had real life, so I'm putting her in limbo. I saw she came in last night and I haven't read back through last night other than my @ s and a skim.

Pool of potential Sinners; not really sure about any of these, so POE I guess.

Wilgy
Falcon (I could also put him in limbo, Zenon was pretty sure he was town and she reads him well, and yesterday when he popped in to say he had no idea what was going on, that sounded sincere and not like something a baddie would say but ???)
Mata
Michelle
Nook

He's bad.

Dennis

@Roxy We know 3 of the 7 sins; with 4 left that list is too short, so someone, or several someones, further up is in the wrong group. [/quote]

Wigly - is not his normal charming/funny/silly self and it is showing. Is he bad? Could be as I have zero warm fuzzies from him this game. Why is wigly here for you?

falcon is quickly going up in my list for baddies. His continued absence this game is mind boggling especially as the town is struggling. This is usually the time Tfalcon would fly in and help save the day.

Mata - I have asked specifically in the thread for help and she has disappeared making my read of her townie-ness decline further into baddie territory. Do you feel the same?

Michelle - as I had suspicion of her on D 1 she has been around more and is at least posting. Though most of our POE's do line up. She seems to be trying. I have zero experience with them so yah - It's all just a guess/vibe thing. It's still a bit precarious but I have been having her on my town lists. Why is she on your list? Do you have experience with her game/meta?

Nook - yah I feel you here. He is unreadable. But I agree with Rondo or Jack I do not remember who said it but they said Nook never gets to the end game. But honestly what are we waiting for here people? And you, (svs) what say you?

Dennis today where are you looking first after this elim?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:07 am ebwop, "she wouldn't have done all that lusty stuff in thread in front of him if he wouldn't have someHOW benefitted from it."

fixed.

I totes agree with this.

Wigly is always here for you

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:45 am Tbh I am feeling no town wim. Completely forgot about this game too lol.

but yet you have had some wim this day it is just dragging bc people are not posting bc of the "free" easy elim. It is fucking boring though so I do agree but we need to keep hashing this shit out so we all know where we are going in the next day's phase.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:50 am Gah, I hope I find a wolf with my cop check tonight

me too.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:54 am 48 hours of my life just to get the guy who was outed yesterday. Such pain. Where you at town day vig.

A thought. The fact Pyxxy died and Dennis didn't makes it fairly likely that town aren't the reason Pyxxy is dead? Like if it was a straight town vig, Dennis would be dead not Pyxxy?

I think so. afaik I also don't see anyone who really scumread pyxxy. He was in PoEs, but I don't think anyone really took a hard stance against him. I feel like either he did role swap with John Doe or there could be redirection in play.

They were in my poe on D 1 and I questioned them everyday bc they felt off. It was early tho. I was focused on Dennis D 1 and Wigly to a lesser extent. Still am lol

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:58 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:47 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:45 am Tbh I am feeling no town wim. Completely forgot about this game too lol.

Tbf, we essentially outted two wolfs in the same day but the wolves don’t have tmi. It’s hard to wim at forgone conclusions.

Yeah, I felt good with a mafia flip since I love interaction analysis and looking at spew but it's not as straightforward as I wanted it to be. I'm less confident pyxxy actually knew John Doe and if he did there's nothing I found that points to a specific John Doe. I feel a bit burnt out now.

tbf: The last day they did make a point of throwing Nook in their poe at 3:37 and then taking right out of the poe at 3:50.

They were very chummy with Kate in the thread.

then there was this:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:30 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:49 am Most, if not all, of a role’s descriptions may be revealed with lynches. However, only role names are usually revealed with any other types of kills.

I think doom could probably do things that we'll never know about*.

*Unless we chop a virtue**/a virtue info dumps which would be inadvisable at this point. Not sure if that might even count as role claiming.
**oh actually also if we chop Sloth, since it's the opposite of Diligence, maybe that role explanation would at least be a clue towards what Doom could do. really not sure it super matters though

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:08 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:30 am Yay, new game! I've been excited for this one since it was posted.

I ll be reading back (only 5 pages today) and jump in later.

Oh good you're here
I will be sheeping you, at least for d1. No pressure.

I quoted this post because I wondered if (conjectures follow -->) Dubz is the lone scum but scum gets to know who the sins are and maybe can recruit them or something idk

but then Dubz didn't really interact with Dennis is a substantive/pockety way so, eh

Throwing shit out about Dubz which were probs about themselves.

Trying to pocket the shit out of Zenon and it never worked, they ended up saying she was probs a sin bc of the way she treated them.

Note SVS made a reads list with several left off, Pyx was one the ones left off of it. With Thunal and dubz saying she should have a read on them but did not.

I went back into D 1 as well with a couple but with this look I see maybe Nook? I have zero read here and he is not helpful to the town at all. SVS? (I hope not tbh) I do not feel she is bad but I cannot read her like ever.