The Syndicate

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:12 pm I'm having a hard time understanding everything right now.

I don't blame you.

Well, a tie that can kill a mafia is better than a wagon that will kill a town I guess lol.

I acutally kinda don't object to the TS vote even if I think he's town.

3-way rand between Alison/TS/Kyle is better than no-rand kill on Kyle imo.

If TS account shows up we can all vote on different people. 20% chance of ending the game

I'm having a hard time following the whole alison is objectively better to have in the f3 than kyle. IF they're both town why does it matter who's in the f3?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:18 pm If TS account shows up we can all vote on different people. 20% chance of ending the game

@ts account hey look at me I'm scum

I'm joking.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:20 pm I'm having a hard time following the whole alison is objectively better to have in the f3 than kyle. IF they're both town why does it matter who's in the f3?

Yeah it is potentially confusing

The reasoning involves a lot of hypotheticals and current town consensus.

(Though we may not actually have a strong consensus.)

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:23 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:20 pm I'm having a hard time following the whole alison is objectively better to have in the f3 than kyle. IF they're both town why does it matter who's in the f3?

Yeah it is potentially confusing

The reasoning involves a lot of hypotheticals and current town consensus.

(Though we may not actually have a strong consensus.)

I'm going to have to go through it again

ugh don't make me solve a tie, I was perfectly happy sacrificing my life for some bullshit and now I gotta maybe think about consequences????

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:35 pm ugh don't make me solve a tie, I was perfectly happy sacrificing my life for some bullshit and now I gotta maybe think about consequences????

You're town to me. Do whatever you think is wise aside from voting yourself.

I would appreciate an Alison vote if you're going to vote though.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:40 pm I would appreciate an Alison vote if you're going to vote though.

I am okay with switching my vote to Alison. Like I said earlier she is currently my biggest what if.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:20 pm I'm having a hard time following the whole alison is objectively better to have in the f3 than kyle. IF they're both town why does it matter who's in the f3?

Because the person who is more likely to win the F3 as town needs to get sent there

This is extremely basic mafia theory people it's not difficult to understand

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:35 pm ugh don't make me solve a tie, I was perfectly happy sacrificing my life for some bullshit and now I gotta maybe think about consequences????

You're town to me. Do whatever you think is wise aside from voting yourself.

why is kyle suddenly strong town to you

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:46 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:40 pm I would appreciate an Alison vote if you're going to vote though.

I am okay with switching my vote to Alison. Like I said earlier she is currently my biggest what if.

This also makes 0 sense

I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it drink, if you aren't interested in winning and don't care to follow basic mafia theory then you deserve everything you get

alison can you outline how you helped in fingersplints yeeting quin, as briefly as you want to

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:53 pm alison can you outline how you helped in fingersplints yeeting quin, as briefly as you want to

i told her to

Also I was the one who put Quin in the POE in the first place

ok maybe a little less briefly than that

is any part of that something you wouldn't do as a logicperson mafia member

I'm never voting ts account or self voting because there's too big of a throw if those exes happen

The only person I would consider voting to save myself is Martin because he has completely thrown this endgame with his behavior which is a scum red flag

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:52 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:35 pm ugh don't make me solve a tie, I was perfectly happy sacrificing my life for some bullshit and now I gotta maybe think about consequences????

You're town to me. Do whatever you think is wise aside from voting yourself.

why is kyle suddenly strong town to you

It's more of a final decision for the day phase.

I'm increasingly tired of debating who it is.

the thing is i don't think it's alison or ts. I think it's probably within BoKnows or Martin.

If you think Kyle is strong town then all the mafia has to do is nightkill you and get a free misexe on Kyle in F3

so you're throwing the game if you're town regardless of whether you're right or wrong about Kyle by voting me

like it's especially not ts tho

If ts is mafia he can have his win, he deserves it for stopping his trust tell lol

Anyway it's one minute from deadline so break the tie

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:55 pm he has completely thrown this endgame with his behavior which is a scum red flag

Apparently trying to contribute, solve, and disagree with you, is qualification for being scum.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:59 pm Anyway it's one minute from deadline so break the tie

1 hour

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:57 pm If you think Kyle is strong town then all the mafia has to do is nightkill you and get a free misexe on Kyle in F3

so you're throwing the game if you're town regardless of whether you're right or wrong about Kyle by voting me

"Throwing" is such a strong word for a supposedly uninformed person.

I love putting in work to explain mafia theory only to get a flash wagon slot machine extravaganza in my F5 because "idk alison kinda sus tho"

I think you're over-confident. I have never felt that you weren't that.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:59 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:57 pm If you think Kyle is strong town then all the mafia has to do is nightkill you and get a free misexe on Kyle in F3

so you're throwing the game if you're town regardless of whether you're right or wrong about Kyle by voting me

"Throwing" is such a strong word for a supposedly uninformed person.

I just explained that it's the wrong play regardless of what alignment Kyle is from the perspective of town martin

so you're either town who just made an extremely poor decision or you're scum

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:00 pm I think you're over-confident. I have never felt that you weren't that.

I have given actual reasoning why it is always incorrect to vote like this

kindly refer to it

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:00 pm I think you're over-confident. I have never felt that you weren't that.

It gives me agenda-y vibes, and you've decided things that I can't use to help me see you town especially with parts of it being off-put to an F3.

It's also painfully clear that whoever is scum here has non-w/w seeming interactions with the wolves, because that applies to everyone here I think.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:02 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:00 pm I think you're over-confident. I have never felt that you weren't that.

It gives me agenda-y vibes, and you've decided things that I can't use to help me see you town especially with parts of it being off-put to an F3.

It's also painfully clear that whoever is scum here has non-w/w seeming interactions with the wolves, because that applies to everyone here I think.

Your read on me doesn't matter

Your read on Kyle doesn't matter

it is correct to execute Kyle over me literally 100% of the time because Kyle is the only person who hasn't buried a scum and cannot be allowed to live to F3 regardless of his alignment.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:01 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:00 pm I think you're over-confident. I have never felt that you weren't that.

I have given actual reasoning why it is always incorrect to vote like this

kindly refer to it

Nah. I'm not going to put up with this.

If it were apparently "actual reasoning" from my perspective, I wouldn't be challenging you, so "kindly refer to it" does nothing here.

it is also never correct to tie F5 because an informed decision gives you more info on F3 than a rand

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:01 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:00 pm I think you're over-confident. I have never felt that you weren't that.

I have given actual reasoning why it is always incorrect to vote like this

kindly refer to it

Nah. I'm not going to put up with this.

If it were apparently "actual reasoning" from my perspective, I wouldn't be challenging you, so "kindly refer to it" does nothing here.

Let me put it in words you can understand

If Kyle is town then he can never be permitted to live to F3, because town Kyle at F3 is an auto loss for town

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:01 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:59 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:57 pm If you think Kyle is strong town then all the mafia has to do is nightkill you and get a free misexe on Kyle in F3

so you're throwing the game if you're town regardless of whether you're right or wrong about Kyle by voting me

"Throwing" is such a strong word for a supposedly uninformed person.

I just explained that it's the wrong play regardless of what alignment Kyle is from the perspective of town martin

so you're either town who just made an extremely poor decision or you're scum

I don't recall you explaining that from my position. Only yours, and that you always vote Kyle there if the game is going to always chop you or kyle today.

has alison done this before in the past

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:04 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:01 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:00 pm I think you're over-confident. I have never felt that you weren't that.

I have given actual reasoning why it is always incorrect to vote like this

kindly refer to it

Nah. I'm not going to put up with this.

If it were apparently "actual reasoning" from my perspective, I wouldn't be challenging you, so "kindly refer to it" does nothing here.

Let me put it in words you can understand

If Kyle is town then he can never be permitted to live to F3, because town Kyle at F3 is an auto loss for town

And I don't believe that.

That isn't factually established.

please just don't make me live through a day of alison talking about game theory instead of actual players

like if I have to be alive at lylo at least make it fun

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:07 pm And I don't believe that.

That isn't factually established.

It is because if Kyle goes to F3 then town has to exe him due to the fact that he's the only one in the game who hasn't buried a mafia member

The only way your play wins is if you're right about Kyle being town AND town gets there on him at F3 despite the fact that he was hard POE'd yesterday and the wagon was deviated from him to exe a townie AND everyone else has buried a mafia member and he hasn't

Please think about how town's win condition is achieved instead of treating the poll as a glorified readslist

You're so confident in what you think the game state is and what people's views are and the reasons X appears town to others

you seemingly become ignorant of the natural existence that is unpredictability in games

heck the very fact that I'm voting you suggests such and that I'm TR'ing kyle was likely unexpected for you

If Kyle is town then it's correct to prove that today and do the real solving tomorrow - because there's no mechanics in the game that can prove Kyle's innocence despite having the highest scum equity, the only way to conclusively prove that he is in fact town is to exe him. This means that Kyle should be resolved on a day that the town does not lose if he is town. The alternative is bringing him to F3 where is a liability even if he is town because in that world, he will always be unable to clear himself and will place extreme pressure on the other townie just by being alive. It's just not a good play.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:09 pm You're so confident in what you think the game state is and what people's views are and the reasons X appears town to others

you seemingly become ignorant of the natural existence that is unpredictability in games

heck the very fact that I'm voting you suggests such and that I'm TR'ing kyle was likely unexpected for you

Making a hero shot on F3 is like hitting on 19 in Blackjack. You just don't do it.