Anniversary Game 4 - Staff vs AtE D4

[Dyslexicon]

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

What are the stupid things I said? I would not deny that I said stupid things. How does it make me mafia? I did turn more on after the dolby kill, motivation wise, I guess. I also was around after that and not before.

I don't really think you're mafia but I'm following play patterns here. I'm thinking about the boq/tsp line but I just haven't really gotten a sense of how you're approaching the game yet, your statements feel a bit lost. Time for this to change, it's just been an hour or so

Oh wow. Imagine being lost if you're town and don't know who the fuck is mafia. Very suspicious.

Anyway. I honestly don't remember what the Boq/TSP connection was, but probably a combination of town reading others and some sort of interaction or how you treat each other/place each other. It's like, a thought.

I've tried to be pretty clear about how I approach this game: As little as possible =p

No. But I'm just doing my best.

[Dyslexicon]

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

What are the stupid things I said? I would not deny that I said stupid things. How does it make me mafia? I did turn more on after the dolby kill, motivation wise, I guess. I also was around after that and not before.

I don't really think you're mafia but I'm following play patterns here.

Also, what does this mean?

[TonyStarkPrime]

it means my vote is being placed by a part of me that isn't aligned with my intuitions but isn't necessarily unserious

[TonyStarkPrime]

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

What are the stupid things I said? I would not deny that I said stupid things. How does it make me mafia? I did turn more on after the dolby kill, motivation wise, I guess. I also was around after that and not before.

I don't really think you're mafia but I'm following play patterns here. I'm thinking about the boq/tsp line but I just haven't really gotten a sense of how you're approaching the game yet, your statements feel a bit lost. Time for this to change, it's just been an hour or so

Oh wow. Imagine being lost if you're town and don't know who the fuck is mafia. Very suspicious.

Anyway. I honestly don't remember what the Boq/TSP connection was, but probably a combination of town reading others and some sort of interaction or how you treat each other/place each other. It's like, a thought.

I've tried to be pretty clear about how I approach this game: As little as possible =p

No. But I'm just doing my best.

kinda, find wolves

[Spacedaisy]

I don't know why I said I am correct in there. I feel an explanation is needed because this kind of stuff will probably happen. Thyroid affects the brain in all kinds of fun ways. one of those ways is your attention to detail and focus. Sometimes my fingers can't keep up with my brain and I skip words in sentences. Sometimes my fingers go into autopilot and type a similar word or idea. So if something I say is confusing, please let me know and I can probably clear it up. Chances are good I just made a thyroid brain mistake.

[Moonwink]

I think the townread on SpaceDaisy is overblown. At most, she's probably a townlean -- good content, but lack of impact/presence in the game. She's in a position where she can just slip on by without people questioning her. Keep an eye on her.

FWIW, I agree it's overblown. I voted a civ Day 1, and my read on Jack was off. Dolby wasn't even on my radar. Since I know it's correct, might I suggest that if you think it's overblown, and I am correct that maybe you should be asking why they are so sure about me being town?

EBWOP: Ah, finally you talk to me! So what do you think it would tell you if he rejected it? Or what do you think his response to it told you about him?

Yeah, sorry that I waited this long to give you a poke. I had less info on Violet and Tony, so I was gonna wait to talk to you until I finished messing with them.

As for Epi, I thought it would be scum-indicative if he flat out rejected it. If he accepted it, that would require him to help us make it far into the game, and while I think he'd be willing to do that with you, I think he has other plans for me (specifically, getting my yeeted at some point in the near future). However, the way he responded to me makes me doubt my own expectations now. I think I'd still be willing to agree to this gameplan with you and him, but I'm gonna rescind my offer to him soon.

[Spacedaisy]

I think the townread on SpaceDaisy is overblown. At most, she's probably a townlean -- good content, but lack of impact/presence in the game. She's in a position where she can just slip on by without people questioning her. Keep an eye on her.

FWIW, I agree it's overblown. I voted a civ Day 1, and my read on Jack was off. Dolby wasn't even on my radar. Since I know it's correct, might I suggest that if you think it's overblown, and I am correct that maybe you should be asking why they are so sure about me being town?

EBWOP: Ah, finally you talk to me! So what do you think it would tell you if he rejected it? Or what do you think his response to it told you about him?

Yeah, sorry that I waited this long to give you a poke. I had less info on Violet and Tony, so I was gonna wait to talk to you until I finished messing with them.

As for Epi, I thought it would be scum-indicative if he flat out rejected it. If he accepted it, that would require him to help us make it far into the game, and while I think he'd be willing to do that with you, I think he has other plans for me (specifically, getting my yeeted at some point in the near future). However, the way he responded to me makes me doubt my own expectations now. I think I'd still be willing to agree to this gameplan with you and him, but I'm gonna rescind my offer to him soon.

It's fine, it just was starting to feel a little dodgy to me and it was sending me down paranoid lane that I might getting set up to look bad if you flipped mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

it means my vote is being placed by a part of me that isn't aligned with my intuitions but isn't necessarily unserious

Alright

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

What are the stupid things I said? I would not deny that I said stupid things. How does it make me mafia? I did turn more on after the dolby kill, motivation wise, I guess. I also was around after that and not before.

I don't really think you're mafia but I'm following play patterns here. I'm thinking about the boq/tsp line but I just haven't really gotten a sense of how you're approaching the game yet, your statements feel a bit lost. Time for this to change, it's just been an hour or so

Oh wow. Imagine being lost if you're town and don't know who the fuck is mafia. Very suspicious.

Anyway. I honestly don't remember what the Boq/TSP connection was, but probably a combination of town reading others and some sort of interaction or how you treat each other/place each other. It's like, a thought.

I've tried to be pretty clear about how I approach this game: As little as possible =p

No. But I'm just doing my best.

kinda, find wolves

Yeah. Rico probably.

[Moonwink]

I think the townread on SpaceDaisy is overblown. At most, she's probably a townlean -- good content, but lack of impact/presence in the game. She's in a position where she can just slip on by without people questioning her. Keep an eye on her.

FWIW, I agree it's overblown. I voted a civ Day 1, and my read on Jack was off. Dolby wasn't even on my radar. Since I know it's correct, might I suggest that if you think it's overblown, and I am correct that maybe you should be asking why they are so sure about me being town?

EBWOP: Ah, finally you talk to me! So what do you think it would tell you if he rejected it? Or what do you think his response to it told you about him?

Yeah, sorry that I waited this long to give you a poke. I had less info on Violet and Tony, so I was gonna wait to talk to you until I finished messing with them.

As for Epi, I thought it would be scum-indicative if he flat out rejected it. If he accepted it, that would require him to help us make it far into the game, and while I think he'd be willing to do that with you, I think he has other plans for me (specifically, getting my yeeted at some point in the near future). However, the way he responded to me makes me doubt my own expectations now. I think I'd still be willing to agree to this gameplan with you and him, but I'm gonna rescind my offer to him soon.

It's fine, it just was starting to feel a little dodgy to me and it was sending me down paranoid lane that I might getting set up to look bad if you flipped mafia.

I get that. Right now, assuming you're town, I think mafia is just going along with the consensus and calling you their top town. If you don't get nightkilled (and I highly suspect that mafia isn't going to night kill you), watch out for people who try to turn on you after calling you a confident townread early on in the game. I can't count the number of times mafia has tried to do this to me.

[robyn]

[VOTE: Trebuchet] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

Day 1 Mafia in a vacuum is Spacedaisy, Dyslexicon, and Ricochet.

Agree.

Overall rainbow. Tiers are ranked.

Epi

Spacedaisy
Lucy
Dizzy
Moonwink
Violet
Boquise
Ricochet
TonystarkPrime

@Boquise Can you explain what the story is here? Because I literally didn't speak at all between those two posts so I didn't do anything to change your mind.

[robyn]

I'm impartial to tsp and rico lynches tbh, but boq and dizzy are bad votes atm, I'm curious how a moon vote would pan out

[Spacedaisy]

I find it hard to believe Boq and Epi would be teammates with the level and kind of interaction between them. I feel like if there is wolf there, it's probably only one of the two.

[robyn]

Boquise
1
7%
Voters: Epignosis
Dolby
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
1
7%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Moonwink
0
No votes
Voters: None
Ricochet
2
14%
Voters: Dyslexicon, lucy
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
2
14%
Voters: Moonwink, Boquise
Violet
0
No votes
Voters: None

[robyn]

feels like an important vc

[robyn]

2,000 posts

[Moonwink]

I'm impartial to tsp and rico lynches tbh, but boq and dizzy are bad votes atm, I'm curious how a moon vote would pan out

Permission granted to test out. <3 Might motivate me to stop playing lazy at least.

[robyn]

[VOTE: Moontwink] aubergine

[robyn]

gamestate feels good tbh, I don't think I'm misreading boq or epi, I'll make a readslist later but those r my locktown

[Spacedaisy]

I was just going back to read Rico to see if I could understand where people's feelings on him were coming from and I had a thought I'd like us to discuss.

The day vig shot he and Dizzy won.

If Rico and Dizzy were mafia together, I don't see them not using it.
To my mind the fact it didn't get used means at least one of them is civ. I don't think it's likely they are wolf together.

@Dyslexicon @Ricochet Can you guys talk at all about what coordinating that was like? Did you decide together to holster or could you not agree on a target?

[robyn]

I was just going back to read Rico to see if I could understand where people's feelings on him were coming from and I had a thought I'd like us to discuss.

The day vig shot he and Dizzy won.

If Rico and Dizzy were mafia together, I don't see them not using it.
To my mind the fact it didn't get used means at least one of them is civ. I don't think it's likely they are wolf together.

@Dyslexicon @Ricochet Can you guys talk at all about what coordinating that was like? Did you decide together to holster or could you not agree on a target?

no shot existed

[Spacedaisy]

OR did they use it and I missed it?

[Spacedaisy]

I'm super confused, clearly I missed something

[robyn]

I'm super confused, clearly I missed something

they lied about it

[robyn]

baiting a hook, not a real day kill

[Spacedaisy]

hey Dizzy

1. has that kill gone through yet ?
2. when is the deadline for it?
3. is ricochet still around?

Do you have suggestions? He'll be around

still in catchup mode. don't really have suggestions for who rather as much as who not but we do match to an extent anyway. would argue towards one of the three wagons just on a basis of them having votes, though i don't see any of the three as having mutual exclusivity towards each other

Thanks. It was a lite anyway. We don't have a shot.

@TripleHaven Is the reason you never commented on who to shoot that you and Rico are mafia, so you knew it was bs anyway?

Ah I see, here it is.

[Spacedaisy]

I misunderstood what Dizzy had said in that series of posts, I thought they were saying that they won BTSC in order to coordinate the supposed shot. Lord people, don't make it more confusing for than it already is.

[robyn]

BTSC

this is masons/neighborhood right?

[Spacedaisy]

Yeah, Behind the scenes communication

[Moonwink]

I'm gonna self-meta just a bit -- I think I wouldn't be feeling lazy and would be having more fun chaosposting if I were a wolf right now.

[Moonwink]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

[Moonwink]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

I'm not voting for him for anything he has posted, I think -- it's more about the game state and how others are treating him right now.

[Moonwink]

On the other hand, it does feel like people are genuinely not outting their real reads (just like me) and keeping their cards close to their chests.

[Moonwink]

Alright, I'll out another two real reads then.

I think the townreads on Epi are overblown, too. Probably more so than SpaceDaisy.
I think the scumreads on Ricochet are overblown, and the only reason I'm even considering yeeting them today is because I don't know who else I'd go after right now.

[Spacedaisy]

Alright, I'll out another two real reads then.

I think the townreads on Epi are overblown, too. Probably more so than SpaceDaisy.
I think the scumreads on Ricochet are overblown, and the only reason I'm even considering yeeting them today is because I don't know who else I'd go after right now.

I don't have a townread on Epi. He used to be the one player who scared me when I was mafia because he always accurately read me and didn't trust his own read. But him reading me mafia when I'm town makes me wary of him.

I don't think both Boq and Epi are wolves together. Of the two, I trust Boq less.

[Spacedaisy]

That seemed unclear looking at it now.

I'm not sure I trust Epi right now.

I think I trust Boq less.

I need to go back and see who else is townreading me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

SOD flips have been updated

[robyn]

fuck

[robyn]

a day whatever conf town and a vig died

[robyn]

wait does an inherited role mean whoever killed phraze was town?

[robyn]

wait no roles are independent of alignment

[Epignosis]

epi gets a stronger tr for actually solving, I disagree with the boq vote though

At this moment I'm not voting for Rico, Spacedaisy, Martin, or Trips.

I'm currently fine with my present vote.

and it becomes a bit yikers. Still think that Epi is town but not vibing with this townlist

"Epi is good, but his opinions all suck."

[Epignosis]

Day 1 Mafia in a vacuum is Spacedaisy, Dyslexicon, and Ricochet.

Is the BTSC prize even logical, mechanic-wise, if it would place two wolves in a hood? Town me with Dizzy sheeping at most.

If you won BTSC, what did you learn about Dyslexison?

What did Dyslexicon learn about you?

[Epignosis]

I'm also partially chalking it up to you playing this game a little differently than how my mental image of you would play it, which I'm currently chalking up to you mellowing with old age over you being a wolf (this may change but I don't really feel it)

[Epignosis]

Good luck have fun happy anniversary o7

I am equally happy that mafia got blasted as I am that I don't have to figure out Jack.

Good man.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis I still wanna form, like, a group of people to work with that includes you and SpaceDaisy, because I do genuinely believe that at most one of you is wolf (worst case scenario), if any at all (best case scenario). Do you have a pair of people that doesn't include us three that probably aren't scum together?

For future reference, mentioning me isn't necessary because I prefer to read the thread in chronological context, so I'll get to your post when I arrive at it, promise. I know you (and lucy below) don't know that about me, so I wanted to respond as soon as I could.

To answer your question, my mind doesn't work like that, and certainly not this early. Although I'm not altogether sure what you're asking for, since why would you want to work with me and Spacedaisy if one of us is bad? What does "work with" mean here?

Alright, got'cha on that first point.

Regarding the second, what I mean by "work with" is listening to and helping to push any theories you've got on the game unconditionally. And the reason why I'd want to work with you and Spacedaisy even if one of you is bad is because if there ISN'T mafia among us three, mafia will have to kill one of the three of us eventually since we'd be unconditionally working with each other and not questioning each other's alignment. It's similar to what I was doing with Dizzy D1 -- I tried just calling them unconditionally town and encouraged people to do the same in hopes to bait mafia to kill them N1.

Speaking of which...

@Dyslexicon Are you lowposting now because of me? :3

I understand you, and I understand the strategy, but I don't operate that way. I will turn on your ass in a second if I even think I found a spider web in a barn somewhere that said "Moo."

I also don't care about trying to manipulate the Night kill outside of specific strategies that don't apply here.

[Epignosis]

Well shit. That was fast.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Nah, I rescind that vote. I think I'm misreading Dolby something fierce. [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

I can easily see a town motivation behind all of this, for what it's worth. From the same school as Epignosis, for the Syndicate folks in the crowd.

I don't know your alignment. Regardless, we should have a beer one day.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Old age suits you

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

I'm not voting for him for anything he has posted, I think -- it's more about the game state and how others are treating him right now.

How others are treating me right now? Really?

You’re literally throwing right now Moonwink. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[TonyStarkPrime]

now now no need to react harshly