Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[EnderWiggin]

I would also like to see Rondo actually spends some time and tell me what he thinks of this game.

I know he dislikes 150 pages of trawling but still wanna see him think about this game.

[EnderWiggin]

Here's a question.

Why the fuck did mafia leave me alive today given I can shoot tonight?

Makes me think they have a roleblocker.

The mind ponders.

Here's a question.

Why the fuck did mafia leave me alive today given I can shoot tonight?

Makes me think they have a roleblocker.

The mind ponders.

there do be a claimed roleblocker

curious

This attempt to turn pressure onto Illario is noted though

Do you not think it's accurate?

Do you think illario is town? If so is Mac wolf?

Or do you think wolves have a different answer to the question above?

[ilario]

@EnderWiggin whyd u think cham had tmi on wisp d1?

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin whyd u think cham had tmi on wisp d1?

Because they came in as someone who hadn't read anything and then straight up bounced into defending wisp for no reason. After I started townreading Wisp because of the way the EOD was treated around them that I thought was towny of them.

If Wisp was town then Chamo's pointless flailing feels much more wolf because "townreading" the common scumread is not super out there if it's town.

More-over the belief that Seven had on it felt fake.

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I planned to tunnel him even before the poll remover

I don't get why. He's not been scummy at all.

Well d1/d2 both days he comes in fossing porcha but always ends up somewhere else eod. The switches feel very sudden and often not natural progression. His shift in alison from d1 to d2. I know you did that too, but your reasoning was more evident and I can understand your thought process behind it. Plus you felt genuinely devasted from being wrong so that’s why I can see you being a wrong townie. His flip felt quite oppurtunistic. His handling of slots like me and rondo has felt off too, he’s spoken about trying to solve my slot but never really has and trs me when I’m not pushing him but when I sus him he omguses without considering I can be wrong town

Porscha was not a viable wagon on either day 1 or day 2. Day 1 because Arogame's wagon took off and day 2 because of Lily.

Alison was being scummy. His shift on her was justified.

If you can show receipts for the rest I'll humour it but you're talking about my strongest townread so consider that.

Porcha wagon was at 6 votes at one point d1, when people started to wagon aro that’s when ender popped up and tried to somehow justify a push on Cham by saying he’s tmi’ing wisp. But it didn’t really make sense and it feels like a classic scum move to start sus on a villager while another is the main wagon so you got the chance to get back to back villa pushes between d1 and d2

what doesn't make sense about him thinking Cham was TMI'ing me? it was a point brought up throughout the game

It’s the fact that’s the first thing he jumped for. He didn’t try to understand why Cham had the read or anything (unless I missed it). His first assumption was that it was tmi and Cham had to die for it. I also haven’t really seen ender tunnel like that as town on a d1, and also he made some posts on d2 and d1 that reminded me of his scum game in quals where he would point out stuff that felt kinda obvious or he would go on rants not related to the game, just to bolster his post count and to have something to say

I'll be surprised if I ISO my semi and don't see me point obvious stuff out and go on minor rambles.

It's literally my game.

[ilario]

@EnderWiggin whyd u think cham had tmi on wisp d1?

Because they came in as someone who hadn't read anything and then straight up bounced into defending wisp for no reason. After I started townreading Wisp because of the way the EOD was treated around them that I thought was towny of them.

If Wisp was town then Chamo's pointless flailing feels much more wolf because "townreading" the common scumread is not super out there if it's town.

More-over the belief that Seven had on it felt fake.

ahhh fair. d1 u had alison as 100% town and mac 95% town, how come?

[EnderWiggin]

Okay I have sort of two main worlds I'm playing with, lemme do some ISOs for the actual stuff.

[ilario]

@EnderWiggin whyd u think cham had tmi on wisp d1?

Because they came in as someone who hadn't read anything and then straight up bounced into defending wisp for no reason. After I started townreading Wisp because of the way the EOD was treated around them that I thought was towny of them.

If Wisp was town then Chamo's pointless flailing feels much more wolf because "townreading" the common scumread is not super out there if it's town.

More-over the belief that Seven had on it felt fake.

ahhh fair. d1 u had alison as 100% town and mac 95% town, how come?

@EnderWiggin

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin whyd u think cham had tmi on wisp d1?

Because they came in as someone who hadn't read anything and then straight up bounced into defending wisp for no reason. After I started townreading Wisp because of the way the EOD was treated around them that I thought was towny of them.

If Wisp was town then Chamo's pointless flailing feels much more wolf because "townreading" the common scumread is not super out there if it's town.

More-over the belief that Seven had on it felt fake.

ahhh fair. d1 u had alison as 100% town and mac 95% town, how come?

I'm actually mad I dropped that read.

Alison's treatment of... I forget who it was but there's a something that happened which was very town Alison.

I wanted to push that as a confident read and make it stick just to see how that was dealt with.

Mac was part of multiple things that I felt was towny and I just townread 'im. 95% was because I wanted Alison dead over him as if Alison gets NKed it confirms my thought where Mac dying loses one of my more confident town.

[EnderWiggin]

I really should've thought about that when Alison turned around on things. Alison scum doesn't need to do that.

I honestly am very frustrated that I didn't deal with Porscha much earlier. I should've got stubborn about it.

[ilario]

what made u switch ur read on alison?

[EnderWiggin]

what made u switch ur read on alison?

The swap on Mac and Mac's read contributed a lot to it.

I was kinda eh about Alison though during N1 after Aro flipped and I was regretting flipping on that. And Alison was the one I kinda ascribed to changing part of my read there.

[EnderWiggin]

Which is basically to say I actually had some good D1 reads that I proceeded to mangle.

[EnderWiggin]

What is the chances that I've been snowed by Mac?

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But to answer ur question Lily-sama, it’s because I feel that with what u had at the time, it felt pre-mature for Porscha to
Go “Lily-lock town never rescind” and it feels a bit out of place considering the games that Porscha had been in with u where she doesn’t find you as “confident town” early in games

Not including spirit farer, which I am not confident when I tr'd lily and my first game with her, I am confident I have never taken longer than halfway through day 2 to find lily as town or wolf
I always find lily early

Why are you allowed to say you can find spf town with confidence due to the quantity of games you have played and siniliarty in playstyle, but I'm not allowed the same luxury with lily??

Literally 1984

That’s like comparing apples to oranges.

You and Lily don’t necessarily have a similar play style and I haven’t seen u confidently tr her in our previous games with the same confidence if that makes sense.

This is also cringe but I’ve also read a shit ton of spf games on MU including their champs games and their final when they did the fun fps claims and baited a most claim lol. Pikachu is one of my favorite mafia players and ever since I got snowed by her in anni, I’ve wanted to learn more about her play style as both alignments and wanted to adopt some of her toolset she uses in her games to better my own. So because of that, I’ve also been able to get a better understanding of how pikachu approaches her games based on my analysis of her games that I’ve read.

You know what aro
Just for you
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... %21/page11

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I just want to add onto this that like. Porscha is probs the best person in mafia at reading me. Accusing her of tmi for that read is crazy to me. You can think she's a wolf for anything else but not that

Just for my noting but this post is possibly important.

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tbf I like the fact that SPF called out Belzy's progression on me, even if I'm a bit conf biased on the matter
and they kinda poof out of existence since last night

and Ender was definitely more thoughtful in their progression in baby mafia than what I see here

arogame123
Belzy
Cham
dyachei
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Cham and day both feel up in the air at this point
Porscha has also done nothing, but I feel inclined to ask what should I expect from them lol
I think Neon's interactions with were good, and they really popped off with their last burst of posting (still kinda shrugging at the fact they twisted my words into wanting to kill a townie though, and from my POV Porshca still doesn't deserve a town lean.

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

while I can see the argument that Santy feels to confident, this to me still feels more like their finals than semi's

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
Tilgarial

this is the PoE I really want to shift through, and try to downsize it

This post I think is more pairing than I thought.

The treatment of Porscha when they have to explain their thoughts while not removing them from the POE is very eeeh.

Especially as that's the only slot they don't remove that they mention.

[EnderWiggin]

Lily has shot wolf.

Lily has also hard defended Santy when they came under pressure and Porscha was a top wagon on D1.

Is this wolf? I think if Lily is wolf they've townsided more than most other slots.

The only thing I really could wolfread them for is somewhat what Neon is pushing with regards to their "Keep Porscha alive for the night" thing.

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Neon meanwhile I think actually has snowed me possibly because some of their early statements/treatments are really bad and their sideways defense of Porscha on D1 is terrible.

(They constantly are scumreading Porscha in a "They're not wolfy but they feel off." kinda way, but then drop this:

Porscha wagon bad.

When Porscha is finally on the chopping block.)

I honestly think Neon has some of the most scum equity from how they handled D1. And yes I mentioned Neon could be snowing me a few times and never followed up, because I kept going back to "How they reacted paranoid about me fits a lot of paranoid town after I snowed them as wolf."

But...

I think Neon has managed that. Just makes sense with their plays.

Maybe.

I'll keep reading.

[EnderWiggin]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

At this point Wisp/Porscha are lead wagons.

ilario probably only wolf with exactly Wisp in this scenario hmmmmmmmm

[EnderWiggin]

Oh hm.

Nanook does have a very towny late D1 for his meta of playing.

Outside the fact that he's been much more low-key than I'd expect as town.

Nyeh.

[ilario]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

At this point Wisp/Porscha are lead wagons.

ilario probably only wolf with exactly Wisp in this scenario hmmmmmmmm

nah i can still be virtually paired with anyone if ur going off d1, i defs can see myself parking on porcha d1 as wolf

[EnderWiggin]

wait yeah how does porscha have so many votes she hasn't rly done anything scummy

Skill issue and woofus

Who do u sr that’s on the wagon?

Hmm good question

I don't like this positioning from Neon.

Normally town who "Woofus" on wagon have an idea of who they're thinking about.

[EnderWiggin]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio

are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?

Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig

I'm actually leaning towards Nanook being town from how they've treated both the wagon and the situation on D1 with Porscha. Nanook can absolutely bus early but the way they've treated it is much more like how he treats it as town.

[EnderWiggin]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

At this point Wisp/Porscha are lead wagons.

ilario probably only wolf with exactly Wisp in this scenario hmmmmmmmm

nah i can still be virtually paired with anyone if ur going off d1, i defs can see myself parking on porcha d1 as wolf

Shut up and let me find ways to townread you.

[ilario]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio

are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?

Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig

I'm actually leaning towards Nanook being town from how they've treated both the wagon and the situation on D1 with Porscha. Nanook can absolutely bus early but the way they've treated it is much more like how he treats it as town.

yeah i dont really think nook has been wolfy at all this game, seems more like a distracted towny ig

[EnderWiggin]

I am locking Nanook town tbh.

After rereading D1 that's the one slot I'm confident on. His treatment of both Porscha and the wagon is not out of his scumrange but so far in what I expect from town!Nanook that I'd probably lean into it hard.

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...

What is the chances.

That Neon/Lily are w/w. And this is theatre today.

[EnderWiggin]

Okay I have a stupid reason to townread Wisp now.

[EnderWiggin]

Stupid reason:
His treatment and how people have played around him and the shift to Aro makes more sense if he's town.

Especially as he openly mocks Porscha defenders at one point when they're like "Don't volume tell Porscha!!!!!"

[ilario]

Okay I have a stupid reason to townread Wisp now.

hmm?

[EnderWiggin]

Stupid reason:
His treatment and how people have played around him and the shift to Aro makes more sense if he's town.

Especially as he openly mocks Porscha defenders at one point when they're like "Don't volume tell Porscha!!!!!"

The mocking being specifically "What are we supposed to be looking for then?!?"

Which feels really fucking weird to be saying when people are defending your scummate

Especially as Wisp self-voting suggests heavily IF they were w/w that they want Porscha to survive longer anyway. So why would he be hard undermining the defenders if so?

It's not congruent play with what his role/position would be at the time.

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He self voted moments after that post as well really.

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Actually I remember why I townread Wisp off this EOD in the first place and think I'm riiiiiight back there lol.

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If I assume Lily town from earlier thoughts.

And I drop Mac town read.

That leaves me with Wisp/Lily/Nanook as my main towncore here.

[EnderWiggin]

Belzy/ilario/Dyachei/Mac/Neon/Rondo.

Effectively need 2ish out of that list.

[EnderWiggin]

2ish clears more.

Lemme continue digging.

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[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

I think this does pop wolf just because of all the info we have in contradiction with their statements and the Mac info.

I think that still makes Mac moderately likely to be town here from that.

[EnderWiggin]

Based on page 39 Porscha wagon is absolutely maggot infested. Also Porscha is a bad d1 chop anyway.

I hate this post all over again lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

I don't have a big history of MLing Porscha tbh.

I scumread Porscha since their activity this game tends towards not much and the content I have seen from Porscha has not excited me in the slightest. Nor have I had a single moment where I've understood or recognised the solving process I feel I know from her. Which is a vague-ish reason. I can try to narrow this down later, just trying to catch up while at work (Priority will be work stuff so may be slow.)

Just want to be up to date for EOD.

Also I never validate a scum wagon like this when a town wagon is building lol.

Also still don't have a history of MLing Porscha.

[EnderWiggin]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio

are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?

Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig

i mean tbf she hasnt posted that much content at all but like it's porscha we're talking about lol this isn't out of character imo

this just feels like lhf

Eh i mean

I dont expect dense wallposts obviously but she usually has more, and she usually has a "figuring things out" vibe where here she has kind of a "Tuesday morning and im still hungover from Sunday night so might as well hair of the dog it cause oh my fucking god its only Tuesday morning and I have four more days of this monotony and Marcus is already trying to talk to me and I dont want to respond but I have to so im gonna fake smile and go through the motions" vibe you know what i mean

Nook is town.

D1 Ender was pretty good.

Wish I was good as this guy.

[EnderWiggin]

ok I am not catching up on 20+ pages [VOTE: Porscha ] aubergine

I like this post.

But this is not clearing.

I need Rondo opinions.

@RondoDimBuckle

Gimme your god damn current takes.

[EnderWiggin]

Also guys today is still 48 hours.

It's the next day phase that is 24.

[EnderWiggin]

OH YEAH

I also scumread Chamo because they tried to bait Wisp into voting Alison when Wisp was super mad at them.

That was actually still a wtf move tbh.

[ilario]

Based on page 39 Porscha wagon is absolutely maggot infested. Also Porscha is a bad d1 chop anyway.

I hate this post all over again lmao.

yeah idk what to make of him, he also said belzy was towny last couple of days as well..and well theres the seanzie nk lmao

[ilario]

OH YEAH

I also scumread Chamo because they tried to bait Wisp into voting Alison when Wisp was super mad at them.

That was actually still a wtf move tbh.

hahaha i actually lock towned him for that, but then on d3 i betrayed him because he betrayed me d2 so ig we both did an oopsie

[EnderWiggin]

Also why the hell are you saying my treatment of you is weird ilario, you almost got to the point of being annoyed at me for tinfoiling you in like every game we shared at one point.

I respect your wolf game perhaps a little too much

[ilario]

Also why the hell are you saying my treatment of you is weird ilario, you almost got to the point of being annoyed at me for tinfoiling you in like every game we shared at one point.

I respect your wolf game perhaps a little too much

hmm i think its the reasons u srd me felt a bit reactive to what my read was on you. eg when i backed off u had me as town when i been pushing you then u sr me

[ilario]

my wolf game is washed up tbh, ive become a very lazy wolf lol. i just try to push through a couple of mls and then set my teammates to carry.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Mac/Alison going hard in on this whole idea that Chamo/Aro were in cahoots because of how "Co-ordinated" their defense was...

I commented on D1 how that didn't make sense.

I repeat myself. Alison definitely, Mac if you are town, please never do this "Exposed as having BTSC" read again because it sucks ass.

[ilario]

i still like wolfing tho and wouldnt have minded being a wolf this game