Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[Scotty]

@DrWilgy why are you currently voting Michelle?

[Scotty]

If y’all can’t see that Quin’s voting this game has been a smorgasbord of shallow cases and names, I got nothin for ya- head back to camp

[Vivax]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

[S~V~S]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

Not me

I came into today with my projected baddie team being two of Golden, Quin and Michelle. I wanted to see where Golden/Quin went before I took a stand on that, but I wanted to vote for one of the three as at least a starting point.

And reading back, it would seem that Golden and Quin have been low level sparring much of the game. Not enough to catch major radar, but enough.

I'll be in and out.

[Golden]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

I didn’t juggle it. Scotty asked me a direct question which I answered.

[Golden]

Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

[Scotty]

Been reading through Golden’s iso:

The sockys ability obviously has no tildes and is unsolvable, except to the extent you’re targeted and can learn something from that.

Wait, what do you mean?

[Vivax]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

I didn’t juggle it. Scotty asked me a direct question which I answered.

Fine, that clears the intent. What do you think makes wilgy town and why is quin a better lim over michelle ?

You seem comfortable with voting Quin over the choice of your townreads (assuming DF is still one)

Quin is voting you, Michelle wagon should concern you both, or not?

[Scotty]

Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

Well, I certainly don’t know why Wilgy is voting Michelle. It doesn’t look like a save, and tbh none of Wilgy’s votes have looked like saves. Neither has Quin, who seems to make a habit of finding offwagon vanity votes

[Scotty]

Been reading through Golden’s iso:

The sockys ability obviously has no tildes and is unsolvable, except to the extent you’re targeted and can learn something from that.

Wait, what do you mean?

Never mind, disregard.

[Golden]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

I didn’t juggle it. Scotty asked me a direct question which I answered.

Fine, that clears the intent. What do you think makes wilgy town and why is quin a better lim over michelle ?

You seem comfortable with voting Quin over the choice of your townreads (assuming DF is still one)

Quin is voting you, Michelle wagon should concern you both, or not?

Mate it’s less than 24 hours into the day and I have 3 kids, church, and a job that doesn’t sleep.

Nothing you’re saying isn’t fair for me to look at but I just haven’t gotten as far as thinking about any of that yet.

[Scotty]

Read through DH’s ISO and if he is bad, he hellbussed GMan from the onset. He was a voter for GMan, top of his read, and got Wilgy to vote there. Wilgy got off, but DH stayed. Then he had, for lack of a better word, a conniption over people not realizing he had and continued to express suspicion for GMan.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[Scotty]

Welcome back Scotty!

Rip Kate I hope we'll play again!

I need time to think at what happened yesterday, taking into account the NK. Sleeping on it

Y’all had all of the night to think about it.

How does losing Kate factor into bea’s miselim?

I was RL busy so all the night passed without analysis from me. Any info helps when I back read so the fact Kate was the NK hence town, is important. Not for the Bea mischop but for the game state

@Michelle You’ve been in the thread since, but you still haven’t addressed ‘what all happened’ yesterday. Would love some input por favor

[Scotty]

Y’all; I’m gonna be as active as I can, but today is my most active time most likely. I might have some hours tomorrow but I dunno.

And I’m most likely going to be sent packing N5, so ima try and be as helpful as I can until then

[Scotty]

DF is a player that has been on the wrong side of the vote every day, if he has voted.
We have no civ ability -that we know of- to address his slot.

How comfortable do we feel with him in f5?

[Scotty]

This elimination is important, but also I think it should be an insightful one that doesn’t make or break the game if we get it wrong.

It’s 8 to 3 most likely. With ML it would be 6 to 3, which is still not Lylo.

I still think Quin is a hit- that would help unlock a few people I think.
Killing DF doesn’t really unlock anything- he doesn’t rightly implicate any one. But he doesn’t appear of town interest.

Our NPC Matahari is currently voting Golden. I don’t know what history they have together, but maybe they know something we don’t on Golden’s meta?


No one should be cleared today and nothing is set in stone

[DrWilgy]

caught up and just want to say that everything from Vivax so far today smells very stinky.

When Eloh starts speaking my language the tastes become of smooth butter.

@bea, you might need to start coaching your teammate

Thread feels like it wants to gaslight me into going after Sloon, Eloh and Wilgy.

I'm surprised gaslighting would be required for this.

*squints*

What does your squinting taste like? Salty wolf fur?

Also I think that Eloh's point towards Bea you quoted above actually tastes pretty strange post Bea flip.

Mostly I taste of coffee and cigarettes I‘d wager.
Other times parmesan and olive oil.
Rarely salty but it happens.

Yeah the point towards you summoned visions of eloh/wilgy teams for me.

Why though?

If it was distancing, wouldn't I have bit and push with it? This tastes good Vivax.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy why are you currently voting Michelle?

Michelle should've town spewed by now.

Tastes like not Michelle. Or... Not town Michelle. Town Michelle tastes of a nice mahogany.

But Michelle voted G-Man. So I would need to see if the vote was bus or not.

[DrWilgy]

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

[Golden]

This elimination is important, but also I think it should be an insightful one that doesn’t make or break the game if we get it wrong.

It’s 8 to 3 most likely. With ML it would be 6 to 3, which is still not Lylo.

I still think Quin is a hit- that would help unlock a few people I think.
Killing DF doesn’t really unlock anything- he doesn’t rightly implicate any one. But he doesn’t appear of town interest.

Our NPC Matahari is currently voting Golden. I don’t know what history they have together, but maybe they know something we don’t on Golden’s meta?


No one should be cleared today and nothing is set in stone

Me and matahari go all the way back to my first game, grease mafia, in which I made a long case that svs and kate were mafia together, was very wrong, and got lynched for it. I’ve still got the case in a word document on my computer lol.

[Vivax]

I wouldn‘t be surprised if mafia had extra kills with a conditional. I‘m used to a meta where three mischops in a row are a loss.

Cipher did a good job unlocking the e‘s but I‘d rather stay paranoid about the mischops at our disposal.

Not that it‘s going to matter as we want to hit anyway.

Re Wilgy: It was a snapshot of my thoughts at that moment so I wouldn‘t subscribe to the theory that it was distancing rn.
But Eloh mentioning you as scum so casually definitely fueled my imagination.

Besides, scum can also one-way distance.

[Scotty]

[quote=Scotty post_id=973631 time=<a href="tel:1667680563">1667680563</a> user_id=410]
@DrWilgy why are you currently voting Michelle?

Michelle should've town spewed by now.

Tastes like not Michelle. Or... Not town Michelle. Town Michelle tastes of a nice mahogany.

But Michelle voted G-Man. So I would need to see if the vote was bus or not.
[/quote]

Based on Michelle’s post count an hour before she voted, the vote total looked like this:
bea
0
No votes
Voters: None
DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DharmaHelper
1
5%
Voters: DFaraday
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
G-Man
4
21%
Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, Kate, DrWilgy
Golden
1
5%
Voters: sig
Kate
1
5%
Voters: Quin
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
1
5%
Voters: G-Man
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
3
16%
Voters: Ricochet, Vivax, Golden
Sloonei
1
5%
Voters: Scotty
Viviax
0
No votes
Voters: None

So Michelle put the 5th vote on Sloonei where sig had 3.

I don’t think it’s a particularly bad vote.

[Scotty]

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

This whole time I thought your licks meant you town read people. But eating them because you’re suspicious? Boy do I have a century egg for you to try

[Scotty]

Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced

[Golden]

Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced

It was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.

[S~V~S]

Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced

It was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.

You obviously know Matahari well. First game and all. Do you think she would choose the baddies?

[Golden]

Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced

It was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.

You obviously know Matahari well. First game and all. Do you think she would choose the baddies?

I don’t have a good sense of what she’d pick.

[Golden]

What do you think, SVS?

[S~V~S]

I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.

[Scotty]

I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.

Does choose = align with?

[Golden]

Oh thanks for the insight. Do we know whether they know what side they’re picking? For example, let’s say they see ‘svs or golden’? Or likely ‘town or mafia’?

[Golden]

I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.

Also yes if I knew I was picking the civs I’d pick the civs every time lol. You know me well.

[Golden]

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

This whole time I thought your licks meant you town read people. But eating them because you’re suspicious? Boy do I have a century egg for you to try

I have always taken ‘lick’ as ‘read’ and then the flavour tells you what the read is.

[Vivax]

First thoughts:

Welcome back Scotty!

Rip Kate I hope we'll play again!

I need time to think at what happened yesterday, taking into account the NK. Sleeping on it

Not going to lie, that emoji makes me uncomfortable.

Change of plans we visit this town we are in now. Oh well...

RIP Fingers, now I read the results
Noted how Sig said her Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel

As does this pronoun usage for sig after doing an ISO looking for similar posts on a NK.

If you put."Fingers" instead "her" the sentene is

"Noted how Sig said Finger's Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel"
Now I realise I didn't do that smh

I see the shade in your post, you only pointed my low use of English

Tbh it‘s rather silly reasons, wouldn‘t you agree ?
Don‘t think I know your scumgame, but you seem to cultivate an unpolarized style.

In which case I like to ask the question: Do you think there‘s anything in your ISO that spells townie for the game ?

[S~V~S]

I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.

Does choose = align with?

That was the term Golden used. This power is for one cycle, right? The NP voter, that’s what the NP Blue role says. It’s the NP choice who to gain BTS with.

[S~V~S]

Oh thanks for the insight. Do we know whether they know what side they’re picking? For example, let’s say they see ‘svs or golden’? Or likely ‘town or mafia’?

The role says: Each night, you target a player. That player’s vote will not count during the following elim poll. Instead, a non-player will be allowed to cast a vote that will count in their place. The non-player will have the choice to gain BTSC with either you or the targeted player for that Day Phase. They may not speak about the game in the thread, but their vote in the poll will count instead of the player you targeted.

So I don’t know. But I presume they get to pick the affiliation based on the way the role is worded.

[Michelle]

@Sloonei i have confidence loss after Bea flipped civ. So I am stating a fact, I don’t understand it but I’m open to perspectives.

What are you thinking of Quin, Michelle and Golden? They are all POE for me and they shouldn’t be at this point.

Let’s pretend I have no thoughts until I have read their ISOs.

We’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.

I think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.

I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.

Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.

I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.

Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.

Why are you fully with her about me?

I remember Sloonei said something in an interaction with you the other day but he didn't answer my question

I was AFK a lot of time and I am still AFK today because we visit my mother in law out of town but I am back tonight to talk to everyone.

You’ve been nondescript. At this point it’s hard to see that you haven’t had a chance to generate some decent reads, but even when you’ve been asked directly you’ve been hedgy.

Who are top three most likely to be mafia right now?

Since I have Wilgy, Sloonei and Scotty as villagers my Poe is formed by the rest of the players and i should shrink it to give you 3 but i don't want to guess.

I am mostly through day 1, and having the knowledge of subsequent deaths is helping me to get a better feel, and regain a bit of confidence. I've always been a "bull in the china shop" type of civvie, and it's a shitty bull that lacks confidence, that isn't how you break china.

@Sloonei I have a MUCH better feel for you, and am going to accept the real possibility that the baddies were trying to paint a baddie target on you. You are definitely more tentative than I recall you being, but then so am I and so are alot of people in this thread. I have seen some stuff in Day 1 in context (this works for me soooo much better than ISO's) and a quick ISO of the time between than and where I came in, during day 3, that clarifies you for me.

Dharma, llama I think are town
weaker TR on Wilgy

Could be tempted to townbin scotty + axe, but will decide later. More chaotic and less calculated suggests town)

Agree about Llama, they passed the vibe test until now

Voting for a Day 1 low-poster is a last resort option in the absence of “real” suspects.

This

Yet ... yet .... you voted for a low poster, and your rationale (not even in your voting post)

[VOTE: Dfaraday] aubergine

I know I will have to make a decision re Golden v. Quin, I have waffly feels re both Golden and Quin. Initially I had this "Baddie! Burn the Baddie!" thing going on in my head re Quin, but then when i realized why, and read him in context, that settled down and stopped coloring my reads. Then while I haven't felt a massively strong read on Golden, two things he's said, when he asked Kate if she was sure of me, then Kate dies that night. Then today, this:

Also funny that you just 'breezed right past' SVS's comment and chose to focus on me.

I know it's "Not all about me" (a chasm many mafia players fall into, imo, thinking the thread play revolves around them, and it's a mistake I'm prone to at times). But But this really feels like the baddies knew they had to get rid of the both of us, and I'd be an easier lynch. Planting those seeds, man.

So re those two, I'm still not getting a clear thread on either, but they've swapped spaces in my head canon.

So imma drop a placeholder vote on [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine cause I also think she could be bad. I think her overall ISO is wishy, and reading in context she is self contradictory.

Although I do give her civvie props for the poll shapshots, super useful and a good town look, especially if you are trying to cultivate a town look.

So this is likely to change, as I said, I need to make a choice re Golden/Quin in my own mind.

White knighting is taking pressure off players you don‘t have a clear read on.

I voted for pressure not for lynching them. I know I didn't explain much but I guess is pretty obvious

[Michelle]

Welcome back Scotty!

Rip Kate I hope we'll play again!

I need time to think at what happened yesterday, taking into account the NK. Sleeping on it

Y’all had all of the night to think about it.

How does losing Kate factor into bea’s miselim?

I was RL busy so all the night passed without analysis from me. Any info helps when I back read so the fact Kate was the NK hence town, is important. Not for the Bea mischop but for the game state

@Michelle You’ve been in the thread since, but you still haven’t addressed ‘what all happened’ yesterday. Would love some input por favor

Happened yesterday that everyone was happy to mischop a villager based on a solid case against them.
I was AFK most of the time, I didn't have time to read and post. I will use my sunday for that.

[Michelle]

First thoughts:

Welcome back Scotty!

Rip Kate I hope we'll play again!

I need time to think at what happened yesterday, taking into account the NK. Sleeping on it

Not going to lie, that emoji makes me uncomfortable.

Change of plans we visit this town we are in now. Oh well...

RIP Fingers, now I read the results
Noted how Sig said her Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel

As does this pronoun usage for sig after doing an ISO looking for similar posts on a NK.

If you put."Fingers" instead "her" the sentene is

"Noted how Sig said Finger's Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel"
Now I realise I didn't do that smh

I see the shade in your post, you only pointed my low use of English

Tbh it‘s rather silly reasons, wouldn‘t you agree ?
Don‘t think I know your scumgame, but you seem to cultivate an unpolarized style.

In which case I like to ask the question: Do you think there‘s anything in your ISO that spells townie for the game ?

Yes but I will not town case myself.

[Scotty]

Vote count as of 22 hours until end of day 5:

Michelle (3): SVS, DrWilgy, Scotty
Golden (2): Matahari, Quin
Quin (1): Golden

Not voting: DF, Elo, sig, Sloonei, Vivax2.0

[Scotty]

I thought the poll went til 8. I was actually going to change my vote to Bea, but I guess that was the wrong choice anyway. RIP Bea.

I know Scotty is probably the most popular choice to bring back, and I'd be cool with that. I do want FS to have more of a chance though, since she went out so early.

Scared of me? You can always kill me again tonite I’d you want

[DrWilgy]

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

This whole time I thought your licks meant you town read people. But eating them because you’re suspicious? Boy do I have a century egg for you to try

See, you are close. Real understanding tastes like knowing me only as well as I know me though.

[DrWilgy]

[quote=Scotty post_id=973631 time=<a href="tel:1667680563">1667680563</a> user_id=410]
@DrWilgy why are you currently voting Michelle?

Michelle should've town spewed by now.

Tastes like not Michelle. Or... Not town Michelle. Town Michelle tastes of a nice mahogany.

But Michelle voted G-Man. So I would need to see if the vote was bus or not.

Based on Michelle’s post count an hour before she voted, the vote total looked like this:
bea
0
No votes
Voters: None
DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DharmaHelper
1
5%
Voters: DFaraday
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
G-Man
4
21%
Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, Kate, DrWilgy
Golden
1
5%
Voters: sig
Kate
1
5%
Voters: Quin
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
1
5%
Voters: G-Man
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
3
16%
Voters: Ricochet, Vivax, Golden
Sloonei
1
5%
Voters: Scotty
Viviax
0
No votes
Voters: None

So Michelle put the 5th vote on Sloonei where sig had 3.

I don’t think it’s a particularly bad vote.
[/quote]

Explain it to me like I'm a dumb doctor.

(Plz remember I'm really dumb)

[Quin]

@Quin who do you suspect in this game?

And don’t say Golden- that vote today is a blatant OMGUS. Your last few votes in order were Kate, Sloonei, Elo.

I have no idea who you actually find suspicious in this game.

Call it whatever you want. He's still bad.

You should read my posts then.

[Golden]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

[S~V~S]

With all these people not posting or voting, the last few hours are gonna be fun.

It would be a good day to take lots of poll snapshots.

I don't think anything has changed since the last one someone posted, but this is as of 8:58 AM US East Coast Time (do we still have to update daylight savings in our profile here? I'll check mine after this post)

Spoiler: show

DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
2
15%
Voters: Quin, Matahari
Michelle
3
23%
Voters: S~V~S, DrWilgy, Scotty
Quin
1
8%
Voters: Golden
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vivax
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lucy, naturally (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
7
54%
Voters: Kate, bea, G-Man, nutella, Spacedaisy, Epignosis, JaggedJimmyJay

[Scotty]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

[Scotty]

Also I know Golden can be a slimy, tricky mafia. But at some point, you have to accept that he’s either town or a deepwolf. I’m leaning the former.

There are multiple people that I’ve had vibe reads with, which usually freak me out because I often feel insecure with my reads in games. These people are SVS, Golden, Vivax (and to some extent, sig). I think I have to trust a little bit unless we get it wrong again. I get a feeling this night I’ll have a lot to go on.

If we can get down 2 more mafia…I think bad golden will reveal himself to be the male peacock disguising himself as the more colorful female peacock

[Scotty]

@Quin who do you suspect in this game?

And don’t say Golden- that vote today is a blatant OMGUS. Your last few votes in order were Kate, Sloonei, Elo.

I have no idea who you actually find suspicious in this game.

Call it whatever you want. He's still bad.

You should read my posts then.

Oh ok let me go read them

[Scotty]

Read them