Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm
Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?
I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".
The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.
Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.
It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.
The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.
None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.
I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.
It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.
Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.
I g2g now, [VOTE:
Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 pm
@DrWilgy don't post any more k
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm
Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?
I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".
The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.
Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.
It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.
The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.
None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.
I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.
It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.
Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.
I g2g now, [VOTE:
Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:12 pm
I don't see a difference between how people are talking about creature this game vs last one lol
I haven't read him so idk could easily be missing something but
What does this mean?
It means creature is miselim bait.
I get mislynched a fair lot this site while I haven't been mislynched in MU since 2020. I feel like there's some form of elitism in games where less charismatic players get lynched way more often than the most popular players.
Imo its more that iirc your first game or two you were really high volume obvious town and now the standard is set kinda higher than is probably fair
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm
Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?
I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".
The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.
Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.
It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.
The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.
None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.
The Rondo kill was just weird, trying to say "Jack can't be wolf because the Rondo kill" is a very weak take imo. We have no idea why the wolves killed Rondo - PR read, because of their read, fearkill, gamestate preservation, who knows?
What "lines of play" exactly?
If this is your only reason to TR Jack, that might be a bad sign.
See above, it's an entire gamestate type thing. Plus I do think Jack was trying to hunt this cycle fwiw. I don't see that in the people pushing him. Maybe Lucy's hunting is legitimate?
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm
Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?
I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".
The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.
Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.
It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.
The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.
None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.
I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.
It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.
Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.
I g2g now, [VOTE:
Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.
Uhh... how am I clear?
Sabi interactions. I have you and Lucy cleared because of it. Can quote it later.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 pm
@DrWilgy don't post any more k
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
I have correctly read Creature every game I've played with them. I am very confident they are town here. They are a super common miselim target, and I won't let it happen this time.
The random unsupported Jack townreads with a Creature wagon coming out of nowhere is clearly wolf-driven.
I could see lucy and falcon45ca being wolves too but I've seen both of them being mislynched a lot in games lately just like Lilypetal. I'm also afraid of the Jack wagon getting derailed into a townie again because that'll mean he's gonna still be alive tomorrow as a massive question mark.
I guess atp I want Jack sorted so we can maybe make something out of D3.
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm
Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?
I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".
The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.
Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.
It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.
The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.
None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.
The Rondo kill was just weird, trying to say "Jack can't be wolf because the Rondo kill" is a very weak take imo. We have no idea why the wolves killed Rondo - PR read, because of their read, fearkill, gamestate preservation, who knows?
What "lines of play" exactly?
If this is your only reason to TR Jack, that might be a bad sign.
See above, it's an entire gamestate type thing. Plus I do think Jack was trying to hunt this cycle fwiw. I don't see that in the people pushing him. Maybe Lucy's hunting is legitimate?
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm
Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?
I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".
The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.
Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.
It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.
The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.
None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.
I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.
It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.
Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.
I g2g now, [VOTE:
Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.
Uhh... how am I clear?
Sabi interactions. I have you and Lucy cleared because of it. Can quote it later.
Jack needed to do something to survive today, and they aren't so bad at wolf that they can't fake hunt.
Yesterday we had a clear EoD gamestate that points to wolf!Jack. That tends to put people in a holding pattern until Jack is dealt with. Expecting townies to push in other directions when there is a clear optimal yeet is meh.
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:31 pm
ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up
I'm paranoid of you because you keep surviving + you keep having bad solves (like Lilypetal). If you're town I hope you change that (at least the second part).
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:31 pm
ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up
I'm paranoid of you because you keep surviving + you keep having bad solves (like Lilypetal). If you're town I hope you change that (at least the second part).
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:24 pm
Creature wagon is very bad.
I have correctly read Creature every game I've played with them. I am very confident they are town here. They are a super common miselim target, and I won't let it happen this time.
The random unsupported Jack townreads with a Creature wagon coming out of nowhere is clearly wolf-driven.
f Jack flips scum then how does that make the other two Creature wagoneers look? (DrWigly and falcon)
Or are you thinking that it's less about who's voting for Creature and more who's been pushing that wagon today? (if this, who?)
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:37 pm
Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:12 pm
I don't see a difference between how people are talking about creature this game vs last one lol
I haven't read him so idk could easily be missing something but
What does this mean?
It means creature is miselim bait.
I get mislynched a fair lot this site while I haven't been mislynched in MU since 2020. I feel like there's some form of elitism in games where less charismatic players get lynched way more often than the most popular players.
careful the cops will come find you for this one cuz they don't wanna hear it ;p
You're being an unacceptable level of stupid, with zero sexy, and no sense of humor.
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:31 pm
ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up
I'm paranoid of you because you keep surviving + you keep having bad solves (like Lilypetal). If you're town I hope you change that (at least the second part).
"Bad solves" I scumread one person wrongly lmao
Fwiw this is a bit of what gives me pause with Jack - like i'm not over the moon about him here but everytime I see something along the lines of "He was wrong about Lily" i'm just like
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:37 pm
Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.
Ok then do you have a solve rn?
1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze
I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:37 pm
Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.
Ok then do you have a solve rn?
1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze
I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone
My solve is literally Jack/you/lucy/falcon45ca because I'm townreading everybody else. Unless I'm being fooled by NANOOK or DrWilgy. Maybe Ruri is not even a doctor but meh the way they claimed didn't feel like it came from a wolf.
- anne still holding out
- Wigly voted a _lot_ of places during the day iirc
- falcon plopped onto Creature which is wild
- @Jack sorry if you said this why not vote lucy as a counterwagon to yourself instead of starting a new wagon on Creature?
- lucy on jack
- Porscha still holding out
- Ruri afk per usual
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:37 pm
Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.
Ok then do you have a solve rn?
1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze
I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone
My solve is literally Jack/you/lucy/falcon45ca because I'm townreading everybody else. Unless I'm being fooled by NANOOK or DrWilgy. Maybe Ruri is not even a doctor but meh the way they claimed didn't feel like it came from a wolf.
I'm not completely sure on Jack but he's my best bet for wolf for a multitude of reasons (Mac's read + D3 wagonomics + his selfpresing play D3 and today).
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:40 pm
pxxxy could be scum as well, forgot about him. Schia is honestly probably town and is especially town if Jack is mafia.
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:37 pm
Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.
Ok then do you have a solve rn?
1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze
I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone
My solve is literally Jack/you/lucy/falcon45ca because I'm townreading everybody else. Unless I'm being fooled by NANOOK or DrWilgy. Maybe Ruri is not even a doctor but meh the way they claimed didn't feel like it came from a wolf.
When did you flip on me
I almost included you alongside NANOOK and DrWilgy. I kinda found you towny for the Lilypetal wagon error thing.
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:50 pm
I see lucy, Porscha and Schiavetto sitting in the online list. Was I wrong about Jack?
your feet must be so cold
I feel like I am the main responsible for the Jack lynch and if I am wrong that's going to be largely my fault. This is why I'm pretty tense.
want a massage or someone to tell you that it'll be okay or some benzo's
any way you slice it actions have consequences, what you've spent 20 years doing is gaining the tools to make decent decisions