King of the Hill Mafia

[robyn]

I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?

Yes. As mafia he is not a pussy he is just obvious. He's gone straight at me as a wolf many times. That said I'm heavily conflicted on him right now because he does seem to believe what he's saying to some degree and having bad reads isn't something to particularly scumread Falcon for.

I'm no longer really thinking he's optimal anyway. Not with Rondo the supersub shifting his vote around silently and skating. I don't really see how it makes sense not to just kill Rondo here.

And Seanzie's play today has been a total shit show also.

As I started above these two and Jack are just like... I can't really figure a way to perceive them as town?

I agree with you on Rondo and I think him + Porscha + Jack are way better exes than Falcon.

I kinda see your point on some of Falcon's posting being thrown together but I really think Porscha is just outed and Rondo is actively trolling so.

rondo is trolling by being inactive?

He voted a bunch of different people but didn't say a word. He was voting me earlier, then Mac said he was shifting his vote around silently, and I looked up and he was voting Mac.

ahhhhhh, didn't notice
care to explain @RondoDimBuckle

[Lilypetal]

Wait I can't find them wtf

[staypositivefriend]

the next 3 people who vote seanzie with me and join me in his d1 wolf flip will get 10 points of free towncred

[Lilypetal]

spf is this a trap

[Alison]

I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?

Cant wait for you to be full of shit alison I hope you get policied after my flip because this is awful reasoning that just sounds good in theory to the babies who look up to you more than they need to because they wont think for themselves

It's not awful reasoning. You have been under threat twice and both times you have been saved by sudden wagons that materialize with no reason, first on SPF/Boq and then on me. You have been extremely wolfy. You don't even have a rebuttal to my argument you're literally just saying "this is awful, this is awful, everyone else is a baby, they can't think for themselves".

They dont materialize for no reason. They materialize because people see that there is *NO GOOD REASONS&* to wolf read me. You dont have them either, which is why you are leaning into the wagonomics that occur outside of me that *should* be happening day 1. I dont have the luxury of time to sit at PC and make extremely nuanced posts with quotes right now. You are taking advantage of players who will sheep you over me because of how they view you. And you called out my post explicitly stating that to discredit it as TMI when I bet its fucking true based on the game state right now. Leaving strong players alive to ML me instead is great for you right now.

What are the good reasons to wolf read me? SPF? Boq?

You have folded under pressure and resorted to claims that don't make sense (like "Mac/Alison are oppressing me" when we were both voting Jack). You have made votes and pushes that aren't backed by any reasoning at all.

[Lilypetal]

I like and respect u and I will vote seanzie but if u turn it around on me and go ahah u are a wolf I am going to begin sobbing

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Also cuz I couldn't find rondo in the vote thing

[staypositivefriend]

spf is this a trap

i would Never create a trap in a mafia game....frankly i am deeply hurt and offended by the suggestion

[Alison]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Also cuz I couldn't find rondo in the vote thing

Rondo is MsSparkles

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Also cuz I couldn't find rondo in the vote thing

Sparkles is voting me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

My top TR wants to kill one of my SRs...hmmm

[Porscha]

If I am right that there is no way it is w/w between alison / mac based on their bullshit earlier. And I'm giving mac town resd right now. Then for there to be at least one strong player in wolves, alison makes plenty of sense. I think she is manufacturing her posts to make me look far worse than I have because she was threatened by the worldview I put out and my read on her when nobody else is SR'ing her

[MacDougall]

There is NO REASON TO AVOID STRONG PLAYERS DAY 1 IF THEY ARE STRONG THEY WILL WIN GAME IF NOT THEY ARE WOLVES god what a dumb dumb dumb line of reasoning get it together

Yeah no porscha is right.

Not really you're kind of both wrong here. It's not really about who is strong or not. Ego doesn't factor. It's just that given its mountainous there are certain slots that are inclined to self resolve due to their rep/presence/threat to wolves. If you take away whether you think they're good or not there are always players in a game that if they aren't mafia will be a priority mafia kill before the game gets to final x.

Mischopping players like this is not a great thing for town because it essentially is one fewer night kills the mafia team have to make.

Given the way I have like at least 5 of you just blowing smoke up my ass I'm probably dying n1 even if my reads suck simply because the mafia won't be able to miselim me. (On that note don't really sheep my legacy).

The optimal play is to just coalesce behind those players that wolves are inclined to kill and let them have their way. If the game gets to a deep state and any of them are alive and it feels bad they are probably a wolf.

In this game I'd suggest Alison is usually in this category but given how much momentum their wagon has wolves would (if she is town) now view her as a possible miselim so she won't die. Which is a trap for the mafia probably because Alison even when they look like a possible miselim often just reveals and buries a wolf and fucks them over. But the temptation will be there.

Ftr the 2 most likely n1s here would be me and SPF. Arogame would be probably next.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Also cuz I couldn't find rondo in the vote thing

Rondo is MsSparkles

Oh lol thanks I forgor

[staypositivefriend]

My top TR wants to kill one of my SRs...hmmm

join me u know u want to

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Mac AND Alison both have wolf cred for trying to push me

[Alison]

I don't think Seanzie is it. He has had townie moments earlier and I genuinely believe he has the ability to self clear and catch mafia on later days. This makes him a far inferior exe to any of the other people I would like to vote. I would heavily prefer Porscha as the most likely slot to flip mafia. Rondo and Jack are my 2nd and 3rd choices.

[Creature]

Now that Alison wagon is something: a bunch of players I would vote + Lilypetal.

@Creature Given that your characterization of my wagon is "a bunch of players I would vote" (ie. a bunch of players you find scummy), why is your read on me being influenced by them all thinking there is something scummy about me?

Ftr it was the presence of Seanzie on your wagon that made me consider you could be wolf. I already saw him catching you D1 in a mountainous game.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Also cuz I couldn't find rondo in the vote thing

Sparkles is voting me

Why aren't u playin

[MacDougall]

The Alison wagon is possibly the scummiest wagon I've ever seen but... when the entire POE votes someone it's often a sign.

[Porscha]

I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?

Cant wait for you to be full of shit alison I hope you get policied after my flip because this is awful reasoning that just sounds good in theory to the babies who look up to you more than they need to because they wont think for themselves

It's not awful reasoning. You have been under threat twice and both times you have been saved by sudden wagons that materialize with no reason, first on SPF/Boq and then on me. You have been extremely wolfy. You don't even have a rebuttal to my argument you're literally just saying "this is awful, this is awful, everyone else is a baby, they can't think for themselves".

They dont materialize for no reason. They materialize because people see that there is *NO GOOD REASONS&* to wolf read me. You dont have them either, which is why you are leaning into the wagonomics that occur outside of me that *should* be happening day 1. I dont have the luxury of time to sit at PC and make extremely nuanced posts with quotes right now. You are taking advantage of players who will sheep you over me because of how they view you. And you called out my post explicitly stating that to discredit it as TMI when I bet its fucking true based on the game state right now. Leaving strong players alive to ML me instead is great for you right now.

What are the good reasons to wolf read me? SPF? Boq?

You have folded under pressure and resorted to claims that don't make sense (like "Mac/Alison are oppressing me" when we were both voting Jack). You have made votes and pushes that aren't backed by any reasoning at all.

Nah this is for real cww lucy death tunnel on me from you right now. And you were wrong. And you're about to br wrong again. RIP to your great wolf finding as of recent games. You'll be caught by day 3 at this point

[MacDougall]

@Alison I don't think Porscha is mafia.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There is NO REASON TO AVOID STRONG PLAYERS DAY 1 IF THEY ARE STRONG THEY WILL WIN GAME IF NOT THEY ARE WOLVES god what a dumb dumb dumb line of reasoning get it together

Yeah no porscha is right.

Not really you're kind of both wrong here. It's not really about who is strong or not. Ego doesn't factor. It's just that given its mountainous there are certain slots that are inclined to self resolve due to their rep/presence/threat to wolves. If you take away whether you think they're good or not there are always players in a game that if they aren't mafia will be a priority mafia kill before the game gets to final x.

Mischopping players like this is not a great thing for town because it essentially is one fewer night kills the mafia team have to make.

Given the way I have like at least 5 of you just blowing smoke up my ass I'm probably dying n1 even if my reads suck simply because the mafia won't be able to miselim me. (On that note don't really sheep my legacy).

The optimal play is to just coalesce behind those players that wolves are inclined to kill and let them have their way. If the game gets to a deep state and any of them are alive and it feels bad they are probably a wolf.

In this game I'd suggest Alison is usually in this category but given how much momentum their wagon has wolves would (if she is town) now view her as a possible miselim so she won't die. Which is a trap for the mafia probably because Alison even when they look like a possible miselim often just reveals and buries a wolf and fucks them over. But the temptation will be there.

Ftr the 2 most likely n1s here would be me and SPF. Arogame would be probably next.

I hate when your right about me being wrong and it makes me feel dumb lol

[Lilypetal]

Sorry if u die because of trs mac I can start scum reading u

[Porscha]

I have NOT folded to pressure. I am standing up for myself and YOU are mischaracterizing me because I dont have time to sit at PC and make the exact argument you want me to make. You've played like 2 or 3 games with me ever. You think you're that good at finding me? I dont believe that you are being genuine in your push of me

[staypositivefriend]

mac do u wanna kill seanzie with me

[robyn]

If I am right that there is no way it is w/w between alison / mac based on their bullshit earlier. And I'm giving mac town resd right now. Then for there to be at least one strong player in wolves, alison makes plenty of sense. I think she is manufacturing her posts to make me look far worse than I have because she was threatened by the worldview I put out and my read on her when nobody else is SR'ing her

do you think town!Alison would do the exact same thing if they thought you were a wolf?

[Alison]

There is NO REASON TO AVOID STRONG PLAYERS DAY 1 IF THEY ARE STRONG THEY WILL WIN GAME IF NOT THEY ARE WOLVES god what a dumb dumb dumb line of reasoning get it together

Yeah no porscha is right.

Not really you're kind of both wrong here. It's not really about who is strong or not. Ego doesn't factor. It's just that given its mountainous there are certain slots that are inclined to self resolve due to their rep/presence/threat to wolves. If you take away whether you think they're good or not there are always players in a game that if they aren't mafia will be a priority mafia kill before the game gets to final x.

Mischopping players like this is not a great thing for town because it essentially is one fewer night kills the mafia team have to make.

Given the way I have like at least 5 of you just blowing smoke up my ass I'm probably dying n1 even if my reads suck simply because the mafia won't be able to miselim me. (On that note don't really sheep my legacy).

The optimal play is to just coalesce behind those players that wolves are inclined to kill and let them have their way. If the game gets to a deep state and any of them are alive and it feels bad they are probably a wolf.

In this game I'd suggest Alison is usually in this category but given how much momentum their wagon has wolves would (if she is town) now view her as a possible miselim so she won't die. Which is a trap for the mafia probably because Alison even when they look like a possible miselim often just reveals and buries a wolf and fucks them over. But the temptation will be there.

Ftr the 2 most likely n1s here would be me and SPF. Arogame would be probably next.

Yes

I think Porscha is a wolf who kinda has to beat the drum on classism because if we played like that they would have very little to hide behind. I think it spews them as having no "strong" partners which is why they have relied so heavily on chaos and flash wagoning. Organized play wins this game.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

My top TR wants to kill one of my SRs...hmmm

join me u know u want to

I already did lol

[Alison]

@Alison I don't think Porscha is mafia.

Why?

[MacDougall]

I think Mac AND Alison both have wolf cred for trying to push me

Oh he's posting now.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Alison I don't think Porscha is mafia.

Factually accurate

[Seanzie]

I again am in a position where I don't like the wagons. I might not be back before EoD, but maybe fix this?

So like... maybe... like... help change it and not just tell other people to do it. Or something.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If Alison is so good, why are people voting for her?

Curious!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I again am in a position where I don't like the wagons. I might not be back before EoD, but maybe fix this?

So like... maybe... like... help change it and not just tell other people to do it. Or something.

Solid 10/10 game play

[Alison]

I have NOT folded to pressure. I am standing up for myself and YOU are mischaracterizing me because I dont have time to sit at PC and make the exact argument you want me to make. You've played like 2 or 3 games with me ever. You think you're that good at finding me? I dont believe that you are being genuine in your push of me

You got POE'd and you immediately started ranting about how strong players are oppressing you with classism. You have furnished no solid town reasons to defend yourself, only bluster and anger. You have also still not given any reasons for me/SPF/Boq, which you claim are totally legitimate wagons that should be happening, other than "Alison is wrong on me and mischaracterizing me". No word on SPF and Boq at all.

[staypositivefriend]

why do i feel like jack is openwolfing with every post he makes

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[Porscha]

There is NO REASON TO AVOID STRONG PLAYERS DAY 1 IF THEY ARE STRONG THEY WILL WIN GAME IF NOT THEY ARE WOLVES god what a dumb dumb dumb line of reasoning get it together

Yeah no porscha is right.

Not really you're kind of both wrong here. It's not really about who is strong or not. Ego doesn't factor. It's just that given its mountainous there are certain slots that are inclined to self resolve due to their rep/presence/threat to wolves. If you take away whether you think they're good or not there are always players in a game that if they aren't mafia will be a priority mafia kill before the game gets to final x.

Mischopping players like this is not a great thing for town because it essentially is one fewer night kills the mafia team have to make.

Given the way I have like at least 5 of you just blowing smoke up my ass I'm probably dying n1 even if my reads suck simply because the mafia won't be able to miselim me. (On that note don't really sheep my legacy).

The optimal play is to just coalesce behind those players that wolves are inclined to kill and let them have their way. If the game gets to a deep state and any of them are alive and it feels bad they are probably a wolf.

In this game I'd suggest Alison is usually in this category but given how much momentum their wagon has wolves would (if she is town) now view her as a possible miselim so she won't die. Which is a trap for the mafia probably because Alison even when they look like a possible miselim often just reveals and buries a wolf and fucks them over. But the temptation will be there.

Ftr the 2 most likely n1s here would be me and SPF. Arogame would be probably next.

I hate when your right about me being wrong and it makes me feel dumb lol

I am already a self resolving slot by nature so what do I care about big fish "self resolving"? It isnt even really true. Players like you mac, alison, spf, etc are who will win the game in f5 and f3. Like in cww in theory JJJ is self re solving slot so leave him alone day 1. Oh whoops he won the game! That isnt self resolving.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Porscha, Creature, Falcon all town. Going back to my meta of only being able to find townies.

[MacDougall]

I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?

Cant wait for you to be full of shit alison I hope you get policied after my flip because this is awful reasoning that just sounds good in theory to the babies who look up to you more than they need to because they wont think for themselves

It's not awful reasoning. You have been under threat twice and both times you have been saved by sudden wagons that materialize with no reason, first on SPF/Boq and then on me. You have been extremely wolfy. You don't even have a rebuttal to my argument you're literally just saying "this is awful, this is awful, everyone else is a baby, they can't think for themselves".

I don't really think Porscha has been wolfy on meta. Though I've had a couple pings.

I understand why you think she's outed for the wagon materialisation but I think that can probably be somewhat explained by the fact that I've, even if not forcibly, been projecting something of a meta shield on her. So the people who do suspect her kinda lose confidence and fly off elsewhere, as either align.

[MacDougall]

Porscha, Creature, Falcon all town. Going back to my meta of only being able to find townies.

Good idea.

[Seanzie]

I again am in a position where I don't like the wagons. I might not be back before EoD, but maybe fix this?

So like... maybe... like... help change it and not just tell other people to do it. Or something.

Solid 10/10 game play

11/10 gameplay actually.

[Jackofhearts2005]

why do i feel like jack is openwolfing with every post he makes

Because you need to have more respect for my wolfgame.

[staypositivefriend]

why do i feel like jack is openwolfing with every post he makes

Because you need to have more respect for my wolfgame.

the thing is that i have more respect for your towngame than whatever it is youre doing right now. no offense

[Alison]

I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?

Cant wait for you to be full of shit alison I hope you get policied after my flip because this is awful reasoning that just sounds good in theory to the babies who look up to you more than they need to because they wont think for themselves

It's not awful reasoning. You have been under threat twice and both times you have been saved by sudden wagons that materialize with no reason, first on SPF/Boq and then on me. You have been extremely wolfy. You don't even have a rebuttal to my argument you're literally just saying "this is awful, this is awful, everyone else is a baby, they can't think for themselves".

I don't really think Porscha has been wolfy on meta. Though I've had a couple pings.

I understand why you think she's outed for the wagon materialisation but I think that can probably be somewhat explained by the fact that I've, even if not forcibly, been projecting something of a meta shield on her. So the people who do suspect her kinda lose confidence and fly off elsewhere, as either align.

If you are right then it's just Jack since he has been eating popcorn ever since the wagon on him disappeared.

[Creature]

Ties result in no lynch ftr. We better decide on someone soon.

[Lilypetal]

@Jackofhearts2005 queek time?

[Seanzie]

the next 3 people who vote seanzie with me and join me in his d1 wolf flip will get 10 points of free towncred

Oh! I want free towncred!

[staypositivefriend]

we need morei nformation