Mountainous Two-Kill Tenner #2 - States in the US [END]

[NotAnAxehole]

Current suspects are Sabi, Lucy, Seanzie. In that order.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

No.

You're going to have to violate your D1 Alison rule to vote correctly this game

[Alison]

[VOTE: Sabiplz] aubergine
[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

Current suspects are Sabi, Lucy, Seanzie. In that order.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I agree with this if Alison and Mac both flip town, but I doubt.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: MacDougal] aubergine

Explain how it is logical to flip me on day 1 when I am almost always a N1 self resolve in this game?

I've been first killed by mafia last 2 games on site, so recency bias.

[NotAnAxehole]

[VOTE: Sabiplz] aubergine
[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

ez money

[Seanzie]

There are exactly three town voting for me. The person voting for me who has the best skill in reading me is Seanzie ergo he is the wolf.

Come at me then.

[falcon45ca]

Fuxup beaches?

[robyn]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

I will pelt your corpse then fiend and your friend too.

Buy seriously time to learn to play as either alignment x)

this would imply you have a difference check on me and sabi

Lol I see what you did there.

clever right?

Lucy: Now in antispew.

if i was actually in anti spew i’d intentionally lean into sabi being my partner and successfully get her lynched with me

The way you are treating Sabi is so odd and I can't see the town motivation behind it. It is almost like openwolfing but trying to keep the nature of Sabi's connection with you ambiguous when I don't know why you'd want to tie yourself to her at all if you are town. I kind of think Mac had a point when he said you were in anti-spew.

I retract the town credit I extended you for the mind meld on Seanzie.

I wasn't tied to sabi at any point, achro and Mac pushed me yes, zero intentions of lynching
therefore I was just curious how others, especially sabi would react
I think I got some good data wherein El Maco TR sabi, and I cleverly pointed out how I would actually anti spew, or how what I was doing could not be considered anti spew
^confused myself a bit there

[Alison]

uh oh this isn’t mafia chat

i’ve slipped again

What is the purpose of these posts? I suspect that you are a wolf who is uncomfortable under pressure so you resort to lampshading your own actions. Can you provide an alternative explanation for them?

[falcon45ca]

Current suspects are Sabi, Lucy, Seanzie. In that order.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I agree with this if Alison and Mac both flip town, but I doubt.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: MacDougal] aubergine

Explain how it is logical to flip me on day 1 when I am almost always a N1 self resolve in this game?

I've been first killed by mafia last 2 games on site, so recency bias.

Towny arrogance

[MacDougall]

Current suspects are Sabi, Lucy, Seanzie. In that order.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I agree with this if Alison and Mac both flip town, but I doubt.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: MacDougal] aubergine

Explain how it is logical to flip me on day 1 when I am almost always a N1 self resolve in this game?

I've been first killed by mafia last 2 games on site, so recency bias.

What about your play gives you the impression that's going to repeat itself?

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

[MacDougall]

There are exactly three town voting for me. The person voting for me who has the best skill in reading me is Seanzie ergo he is the wolf.

Come at me then.

I clearly already have and am and also I have been documenting the "come at me" post phenomenon and haven't seen a townie post it in over six months of mafia play. This is a real read.

[MacDougall]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

[falcon45ca]

I don't think Falcon is it anymore. He's a lot more active and doesn't seem burnt out like in draft.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Gym Class Mafia was unprecedented for Falcon, so I wouldn't use that as meta, but sure, Falcon is fine right now.

Sean might be scum

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

I probably won't even be around at EoD, or most of the time between now and then.

[robyn]

uh oh this isn’t mafia chat

i’ve slipped again

What is the purpose of these posts? I suspect that you are a wolf who is uncomfortable under pressure so you resort to lampshading your own actions. Can you provide an alternative explanation for them?

they're extremely intentional messages, read them as me being in control of exactly how I am appearing and making fun of achro and Mac for not getting much of a reaction out of me
they are literally designed to say that I'm comfortable lmao, please interpret them as such

[Alison]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

[MacDougall]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

I probably won't even be around at EoD, or most of the time between now and then.

My point stands. Now that everyone has posted and there is adequate datapoints from voting patterns and wagoning it will become far too difficult to maintain voting me without outing yourself so either you're a town who will vote me out of arrogant pettiness or a wolf who will recognise the lack of utility in doing so eventually.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

Alison: Axe's votes are reasonable

Also Alison: Axe's votes are outing

[falcon45ca]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

Looks NAI to me

[Alison]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

I probably won't even be around at EoD, or most of the time between now and then.

My point stands. Now that everyone has posted and there is adequate datapoints from voting patterns and wagoning it will become far too difficult to maintain voting me without outing yourself so either you're a town who will vote me out of arrogant pettiness or a wolf who will recognise the lack of utility in doing so eventually.

Oh I see, you don't think you're a good vote for wolves.

[MacDougall]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

No, but I do think that he is.

[Alison]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

Alison: Axe's votes are reasonable

Also Alison: Axe's votes are outing

When did I claim your votes are reasonable?

[Seanzie]

There are exactly three town voting for me. The person voting for me who has the best skill in reading me is Seanzie ergo he is the wolf.

Come at me then.

I clearly already have and am and also I have been documenting the "come at me" post phenomenon and haven't seen a townie post it in over six months of mafia play. This is a real read.

The first time I wolfed against you, you described my initial push on you as "flacid". While I wouldn't use that word myself, if you believe you've "pushed" me, the word would apply. Atp, I am thinking you're still shielding me generously for having a pulse.... when did things change?

[Alison]

I think it is extremely unlikely that town NAA locks his vote on Mac and Alison and leaves the thread.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

Alison: Axe's votes are reasonable

Also Alison: Axe's votes are outing

When did I claim your votes are reasonable?

When you suggested Mac had TMI

[NotAnAxehole]

[MacDougall]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

I probably won't even be around at EoD, or most of the time between now and then.

My point stands. Now that everyone has posted and there is adequate datapoints from voting patterns and wagoning it will become far too difficult to maintain voting me without outing yourself so either you're a town who will vote me out of arrogant pettiness or a wolf who will recognise the lack of utility in doing so eventually.

Oh I see, you don't think you're a good vote for wolves.

No because I am an easy n1 kill choice that provides nothing for anyone to read into and pushing me as a wolf when I am actually attentive is a death sentence that's best left to dopey ass town to take the brunt of.

I think the mafia is most likely either Wilgy/Sean or Lucy/Sabi atm.

[Alison]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

Alison: Axe's votes are reasonable

Also Alison: Axe's votes are outing

When did I claim your votes are reasonable?

When you suggested Mac had TMI

Why does me accusing Mac of having TMI mean that I think your votes are reasonable?

[MacDougall]

I think it is extremely unlikely that town NAA locks his vote on Mac and Alison and leaves the thread.

I disagree that is entirely within his range as either alignment right now and probably moreso town than wolf because of how much negative attention it'll draw to him if he is wolf.

Like, you think wolf Axe attacks both of us as town here and leaves? It's like stirring up a bees nest and then standing there.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

Is this TMI that NAA is town?

Alison: Axe's votes are reasonable

Also Alison: Axe's votes are outing

When did I claim your votes are reasonable?

When you suggested Mac had TMI

Why does me accusing Mac of having TMI mean that I think your votes are reasonable?

[Alison]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

I probably won't even be around at EoD, or most of the time between now and then.

My point stands. Now that everyone has posted and there is adequate datapoints from voting patterns and wagoning it will become far too difficult to maintain voting me without outing yourself so either you're a town who will vote me out of arrogant pettiness or a wolf who will recognise the lack of utility in doing so eventually.

Oh I see, you don't think you're a good vote for wolves.

No because I am an easy n1 kill choice that provides nothing for anyone to read into and pushing me as a wolf when I am actually attentive is a death sentence that's best left to dopey ass town to take the brunt of.

I think the mafia is most likely either Wilgy/Sean or Lucy/Sabi atm.

I have pushed 3 of your top 4 scumreads by page 3. I expect you to treat me as lock town for the rest of the day phase.

[Alison]

I think it is extremely unlikely that town NAA locks his vote on Mac and Alison and leaves the thread.

I disagree that is entirely within his range as either alignment right now and probably moreso town than wolf because of how much negative attention it'll draw to him if he is wolf.

Like, you think wolf Axe attacks both of us as town here and leaves? It's like stirring up a bees nest and then standing there.

Axe makes strategic votes as town.

These votes aren't strategic.

What happens if we flip V? Does he just tunnel our reads and pray I solved the team in 3 pages after being afk for half the day phase?

I don't buy it.

[MacDougall]

There are exactly three town voting for me. The person voting for me who has the best skill in reading me is Seanzie ergo he is the wolf.

Come at me then.

I clearly already have and am and also I have been documenting the "come at me" post phenomenon and haven't seen a townie post it in over six months of mafia play. This is a real read.

The first time I wolfed against you, you described my initial push on you as "flacid". While I wouldn't use that word myself, if you believe you've "pushed" me, the word would apply. Atp, I am thinking you're still shielding me generously for having a pulse.... when did things change?

You can't continue to purport that you can read me well when there are significant moments in every single town game I play that you go through this process of omgus or sussing me for no apparent reason.

If I shielded you it was not my intention it was more opposition to bad logical arguments against you that also incorporated me into them. I townread you because you were initially solving into similar worlds as me but when I reevaluated I found a possible difference check between you and achromatic for voting NAA and then when I probed you, you made an openwolfy joke I don't think you'd have made as town ie. you specifically explained the logical motivation from the wolf perspective of omgussing me to get towncred and if you were town I don't believe you'd have said that.

[MacDougall]

I'm vote parking fwiw. I likely wont be changing my votes until both are dead.

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

I probably won't even be around at EoD, or most of the time between now and then.

My point stands. Now that everyone has posted and there is adequate datapoints from voting patterns and wagoning it will become far too difficult to maintain voting me without outing yourself so either you're a town who will vote me out of arrogant pettiness or a wolf who will recognise the lack of utility in doing so eventually.

Oh I see, you don't think you're a good vote for wolves.

No because I am an easy n1 kill choice that provides nothing for anyone to read into and pushing me as a wolf when I am actually attentive is a death sentence that's best left to dopey ass town to take the brunt of.

I think the mafia is most likely either Wilgy/Sean or Lucy/Sabi atm.

I have pushed 3 of your top 4 scumreads by page 3. I expect you to treat me as lock town for the rest of the day phase.

You can't ask this of someone as weathervaney as me in good faith and you know it so why are you?

[NotAnAxehole]

I strongly doubt your vote will be on me by the end of the day unless you willfully refuse to rationalise correctly.

I probably won't even be around at EoD, or most of the time between now and then.

My point stands. Now that everyone has posted and there is adequate datapoints from voting patterns and wagoning it will become far too difficult to maintain voting me without outing yourself so either you're a town who will vote me out of arrogant pettiness or a wolf who will recognise the lack of utility in doing so eventually.

Oh I see, you don't think you're a good vote for wolves.

No because I am an easy n1 kill choice that provides nothing for anyone to read into and pushing me as a wolf when I am actually attentive is a death sentence that's best left to dopey ass town to take the brunt of.

I think the mafia is most likely either Wilgy/Sean or Lucy/Sabi atm.

I have pushed 3 of your top 4 scumreads by page 3. I expect you to treat me as lock town for the rest of the day phase.

You can't ask this of someone as weathervaney as me in good faith and you know it so why are you?

I have a theory.

[Alison]

Acrho is giving me vibes, and they ain't towny kind


[VOTE: Acrho] aubergine

I truly believe this post is out of falcon's scum range.

[robyn]

sabi and wiggle's votes r concerning

[MacDougall]

I think it is extremely unlikely that town NAA locks his vote on Mac and Alison and leaves the thread.

I disagree that is entirely within his range as either alignment right now and probably moreso town than wolf because of how much negative attention it'll draw to him if he is wolf.

Like, you think wolf Axe attacks both of us as town here and leaves? It's like stirring up a bees nest and then standing there.

Axe makes strategic votes as town.

These votes aren't strategic.

What happens if we flip V? Does he just tunnel our reads and pray I solved the team in 3 pages after being afk for half the day phase?

I don't buy it.

They are very strategic as either alignment imo. As a villager he has just been responsible for putting both of us under actual real vote pressure as prior to his vote I didn't really see the pressure on me as problematic but now I do, and pressuring the two most solvy people in the game (since Achro isn't being) is a fine thing to be doing.

I could rationalise many +ev reasons for him voting for both of us our slots from him as both alignments. If it was anyone but him, I'd agree with you, but Axe is not level 1 enough to scumread for the reasons that doing so would be scummy for others.

[Alison]

You can't ask this of someone as weathervaney as me in good faith and you know it so why are you?

Because I think you should treat me as lock town and I don't think you're as weathervaney as you make yourself out to be.

[MacDougall]

Acrho is giving me vibes, and they ain't towny kind


[VOTE: Acrho] aubergine

I truly believe this post is out of falcon's scum range.

How so?

[MacDougall]

You can't ask this of someone as weathervaney as me in good faith and you know it so why are you?

Because I think you should treat me as lock town and I don't think you're as weathervaney as you make yourself out to be.

Last time I treated you as locktown on day 1 in similar circumstances for thread health reasons I died on n1 and you were mafia and coasted on my legacy for the majority of the game.

[MacDougall]

You can't ask this of someone as weathervaney as me in good faith and you know it so why are you?

Because I think you should treat me as lock town and I don't think you're as weathervaney as you make yourself out to be.

Last time I treated you as locktown on day 1 in similar circumstances for thread health reasons I died on n1 and you were mafia and coasted on my legacy for the majority of the game.

Given that, how could I possibly fall into the same trap two times? Asking me to do so is extremely sketchy of you.

[Alison]

God damnit my post was just eaten by refreshing

Sean - I want to sort lucy asap because her usual method of hanging back is game winning as a wolf in this small of a game.

Falcon - you stir the pot then you dig in. Not a very good way to hunt scum in my experience. May I interest you in a lucy instead?

Perpsective on Lucy is townie here imo.

[Alison]

Acrho is giving me vibes, and they ain't towny kind


[VOTE: Acrho] aubergine

I truly believe this post is out of falcon's scum range.

How so?

If he were mafia taking a random pot shot at someone it would be someone who already had sus on them. Mafia falcon is an opportunistic man. Town falcon throws shit at the wall to see what sticks.

[MacDougall]

If you want to look at someone voting me and walking off as scummy look at wilgy's vote.

I had 2 votes on me at the time. I outed a townread on both of them and a scumread on Wilgy. Wilgy did nothing but vote me and say omgus. I made the actual reads post prior specifically to bait one of them into doing exactly that.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think it is extremely unlikely that town NAA locks his vote on Mac and Alison and leaves the thread.

I disagree that is entirely within his range as either alignment right now and probably moreso town than wolf because of how much negative attention it'll draw to him if he is wolf.

Like, you think wolf Axe attacks both of us as town here and leaves? It's like stirring up a bees nest and then standing there.

Axe makes strategic votes as town.

These votes aren't strategic.

What happens if we flip V? Does he just tunnel our reads and pray I solved the team in 3 pages after being afk for half the day phase?

I don't buy it.

They are very strategic as either alignment imo. As a villager he has just been responsible for putting both of us under actual real vote pressure as prior to his vote I didn't really see the pressure on me as problematic but now I do, and pressuring the two most solvy people in the game (since Achro isn't being) is a fine thing to be doing.

I could rationalise many +ev reasons for him voting for both of us our slots from him as both alignments. If it was anyone but him, I'd agree with you, but Axe is not level 1 enough to scumread for the reasons that doing so would be scummy for others.

I think you're missing an important point that applies to me more than other players. I'm not afraid of accidentally throwing by killing the strong town.

[MacDougall]

Acrho is giving me vibes, and they ain't towny kind


[VOTE: Acrho] aubergine

I truly believe this post is out of falcon's scum range.

How so?

If he were mafia taking a random pot shot at someone it would be someone who already had sus on them. Mafia falcon is an opportunistic man. Town falcon throws shit at the wall to see what sticks.

I think the better example of this is him sussing Seanzie.

[Alison]

You can't ask this of someone as weathervaney as me in good faith and you know it so why are you?

Because I think you should treat me as lock town and I don't think you're as weathervaney as you make yourself out to be.

Last time I treated you as locktown on day 1 in similar circumstances for thread health reasons I died on n1 and you were mafia and coasted on my legacy for the majority of the game.

So? I'm town this time.