Gym Class Mafia D7

[Jackofhearts2005]

@hollowkatt has died! They were...

Mafia!!

Their role:

Nerd Walking Laps:

On odd nights, you are a ninja--you cannot be tracked or watched or otherwise detected by normal means. On even nights, you may commute yourself--this effectively removes you from the game for the night. You cannot perform any other actions while commuting, including carrying the factional kill, and any normal actions targeting you will be as if they targeted nobody. This action trumps any normal roleblocks, but counters to it may or may not exist.

It is now night one. Actions are due by Sunday July 17, 6pm eastern. D2 will start an hour after that.

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@ Alison
@ Cape90
@ DrWilgy
@ dunya
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Jackofhearts2005
@ Marmot
@ NotAnAxehole
@ sabiplz
@ Seanzie
@ Shending_Help
@ Spacedaisy
@ Wisdom

Dope. Good job, guys.

Also, itas hype!

[Seanzie]

@hollowkatt has died! They were...

Mafia!!

Their role:

Nerd Walking Laps:

On odd nights, you are a ninja--you cannot be tracked or watched or otherwise detected by normal means. On even nights, you may commute yourself--this effectively removes you from the game for the night. You cannot perform any other actions while commuting, including carrying the factional kill, and any normal actions targeting you will be as if they targeted nobody. This action trumps any normal roleblocks, but counters to it may or may not exist.

It is now night one. Actions are due by Sunday July 17, 6pm eastern. D2 will start an hour after that.

Spoiler: show

@ Alison
@ Cape90
@ DrWilgy
@ dunya
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Jackofhearts2005
@ Marmot
@ NotAnAxehole
@ sabiplz
@ Seanzie
@ Shending_Help
@ Spacedaisy
@ Wisdom

Dope. Good job, guys.

Also, itas hype!

Should I shoot you?

[Wisdom]

Jack's probably shootable. I don't really have a read on him though so wouldn't bet on it.

[dyachei]

I'd probably shoot falcon. felt like they added nothing to the game yesterday. but i do have 1 concern

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m not gonna say ya’ll should townread me and not have me on a shot list but I am town and I’d prefer not to be shot.

[Sabiplz]

I don't think Alison is mafia, I'm confident Brad would not pick her.

Unless Brad designed the team to be super polarizing?

Idk

I hate this but I won't shoot her.

[Cape90]

Quick thoughts Seanzie definitely town
Shending very towny
The Sabi sus is strange to me. I don't super get it but I have a lot to digest when I get back from being unbusy
Jack is being really strange right now
I don't exactly like dyachei shot suggestion only because I know it's literally rand as I have seen falcon do this as town before and he always does it.
Also ITAs? Nice

[Cape90]

Jack's probably shootable. I don't really have a read on him though so wouldn't bet on it.

This is wishy washy

[Cape90]

Anyway when are these ITAs

[Cape90]

Marmot looks pretty towny to me

[Cape90]

Still need to read space daisy

[Cape90]

Wisdom could be spewed from HK flip now I'm thinking about it

[Cape90]

I like Wisdom too, I think I’ll drop my vote on HK.

Anybody have a read on space daisy besides this is slight towny

Cuz idk what to make of them plus no meta I have not

Seen early townread on them by shen but then I'm like where is this coming from

[Cape90]

I'll holster

Apparently happening now

I need more time

[Cape90]

Hee ho I was gonna deep myself clear but then I read the second post

Oh hi.

Actually, Jack would be the first person I would draft as scum captain.

Exactly why I’d be a bad draft captain.

Btw, every time I see a game where a wolf gets to draft a team, they pick a variety of loudnesses.

Like the wolfteam is never Alison/Dunya/Jack.

I’d always see a mix of day dominating players, and then good mid volume or quiet players that are skilled (especially at dancing) for their volume level. For the Realms, that was Grinner and Captain Nifty. For this player group, I’d expect one in Marmot/Daisy/Wilgy, who all punch up volumewise.

That said, mixing players who primarily play on different boards can skew this. Like if Cape doesn’t know Dunya/Daisy/Marmot/Wilgy, he won’t draft in that group how I’d expect (I haven’t read the draft rules lol).

Linki: Dya, you’re a regular on both sites I play on most. I expect you here. ghostcathug.jpg

Lotta stuff that says nothing here

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The first ITA window has ended! The second one opens July 18, 7pm eastern.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nobody shot?

Was there no good HK spew/interactions? Guess I could check for myself

[Seanzie]

Quick thoughts Seanzie definitely town
Shending very towny
The Sabi sus is strange to me. I don't super get it but I have a lot to digest when I get back from being unbusy
Jack is being really strange right now
I don't exactly like dyachei shot suggestion only because I know it's literally rand as I have seen falcon do this as town before and he always does it.
Also ITAs? Nice

Why am I definitely town?

[Seanzie]

The first ITA window has ended! The second one opens July 18, 7pm eastern.

Do you tell us if a shot has been processed and was unsuccessful?

[Cape90]

Quick thoughts Seanzie definitely town
Shending very towny
The Sabi sus is strange to me. I don't super get it but I have a lot to digest when I get back from being unbusy
Jack is being really strange right now
I don't exactly like dyachei shot suggestion only because I know it's literally rand as I have seen falcon do this as town before and he always does it.
Also ITAs? Nice

I came to that conclusion around like page 6 or so. Took a glance. Just said yep

Elaborating later been busy today

Why am I definitely town?

[Cape90]

It went inside quote D:

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh I totally forgot itas were private.

[Seanzie]

I don't think Alison is mafia, I'm confident Brad would not pick her.

Unless Brad designed the team to be super polarizing?

Idk

I hate this but I won't shoot her.

You said something about quoting something from brad about Alison from a spec chat. Can you quote that? Also, I've noticed you sometimes ask if you should do something rather than just doing it. Up to you, but I recommend you just do things if you think they will help.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Can you add iso links to the front page for mobile players when you get the chance? Thanks.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Meta case on hk

OK I isoed HK and I have first hand knowledge of mafia HK, wolfsided town HK, and town HK. The whole spectrum of HK. I will compare with his mu games so bear with me.

P#77 (I think I'm formating this correct) has no explanation of his reads. Doesn't expand or go into detail. Town HK and wolfsided town HK (Albert like V briefly) goes into somewhat detail of his reads. He usually just doesn't do townreads but includes other types of reads.

P#78 feels pockety. HK tends to do this in his town meta

P#87 HK when town tries to not ruffle feathers. The fact he keeps butting head with someone he supposedly tr and trying to pocket (which is conflicting from earlier) is not what he does as town.

Him constantly antagonizing her p#100. He does this thing where he twists what someone says to go under their skin. He has done this to me when maf. He loves blaming others for when he incorrectly sr them.

Last part p#124 is HK has their weird expectation where he needs people to do stuff that his brain decided is the only way to do things. That's NAI for him but just want to point that out.


Summery: he's more in his mafia range than not.

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

You've literally got everything backwards, but ok

Lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

wisdom, shending, marmot, and wigly can be town

what's *your* reason for wigly?

Pleasure to meet you new friends.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

I used to claim doctor d1 every game, but have become old and grumpy in my recent age. Have been playing since 2013. Exclusively on the Syndicate since about 2015?

I may be wrong on this assumption, but out of this player cast, Alison and Marmot may have the best capacity and track record for reading me. Though, that may be them getting lucky tossing darts, as many others seem to have inconsistency on determining both my scum and town range.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

I like both of these posts. I don't find Wigly being quite this confident in a read this early in a game when he's a wolf

Probably tmi on t!Wilgy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyway let's do this.
Get dead get out of the thread [Alison], @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Sorry if wrong >_>

Looks like the tag for this was screwed up. I will process this, but please be careful to make sure shots actually tag me in the future or I may miss them!

This shot is a...

HIT

Hold for flip

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Alison has died. She flips...MAFIA! Goon.

Day continues, votes for alison will not be counted, and hammer remains at 7.

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@ Cape90
@ DrWilgy
@ dunya
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Jackofhearts2005
@ Marmot
@ sabiplz
@ Seanzie
@ Shending_Help
@ Spacedaisy
@ Wisdom

[Seanzie]

Nice!

[DrWilgy]

What is an ITA?

[Sabiplz]

I don't think Alison is mafia, I'm confident Brad would not pick her.

Unless Brad designed the team to be super polarizing?

Idk

I hate this but I won't shoot her.

You said something about quoting something from brad about Alison from a spec chat. Can you quote that? Also, I've noticed you sometimes ask if you should do something rather than just doing it. Up to you, but I recommend you just do things if you think they will help.

Well it was

The issue is that also like...if Alison didn't out being Ariel who literally tried to bus instantly in a recent game I might've had an easier time town kicking her

But I guess it helps us figure out now that she flipped that she busses.

Also im sorry about being wrong in her

[Wisdom]

@Alison has died. She flips...MAFIA! Goon.

Day continues, votes for alison will not be counted, and hammer remains at 7.

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@ Cape90
@ DrWilgy
@ dunya
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Jackofhearts2005
@ Marmot
@ sabiplz
@ Seanzie
@ Shending_Help
@ Spacedaisy
@ Wisdom

[Wisdom]

I like Wisdom too, I think I’ll drop my vote on HK.

Anybody have a read on space daisy besides this is slight towny

Cuz idk what to make of them plus no meta I have not

Seen early townread on them by shen but then I'm like where is this coming from

I am struggling a bit with her but can see her wolf. Considering I started the game with finding two wolves and not budging I can see a point for other wolves to pocket me and this smells like that. Or, at least, I don't know what reason she would have to like me when she wrote this post.

[Wisdom]

Okay so now we probably have a 12er with 4 wolves. A lot better than 15/6 but still ways to go.

I actually don't like that we have ITA. I know that I did a stupid hero shot that accidentally worked out but next session I don't think we should shoot too much without reaching something of a consensus.

[Wisdom]

Knowing wolves has at least 1 goon means there were 5-6 wolves if I understand it correctly. Unless one wolf got stacked with PRs.

[Wisdom]

Marmot's entrance is pretty townie.

Probably spews Marmot town.

[Wisdom]

Cape90 - Got somewhat towny vibes here but mostly gonna sheep SS here. @Shending_Help do you still have a town read here? Also Cape's not w/w with Sabi. Asking for people's reads on Alison deserves a town point!

DrWilgy -LHF. @Marmot is Wilgy likely to have bussed at the time he voted for HK?

dunya - N0, hoping she turns up though. Waiting for her answer on Seanzie that Dya asked her.

dyachei - I can see this be a wolf really, but that's mostly based on them town reading Alison and not wanting to vote in HK/Sabi and if Sabi is wolfing then this is ugh. If Sabi town, that's a town point for Dya though. @dyachei what's the concern you have on Marmot?

falcon45ca - 3-poster. Could very well be a wolf but would indicate he doesn't give a crap about team/game which, eh, I don't really expect to apply on a somewhat acknowledged player like Falcon.

Jackofhearts2005 - I caaaan see this be a wolf. I liked his draft speculation d1, but he hasn't really done much since and that's not something that matches my perception of his town game. Also think saying HK TMI'd Wilgy town after HK said that me/Shen/Marmot/Wilgy were towy feels... well, inaccurate, I doubt HK just called four townies town right off the bat.

Marmot - Not w/w with Dya. Have general town vibes here and think Alison might have TMI'd him town. Also think saying "Alison is unlikely picked due to being unorthodox" and following up with "Sabi and Alison could be wolfing together" is showing that the reads are non-stagnant. Wanted a shot list of Sean/Falcon/Jack and if there's two wolves there I'd clear Marmot.

sabiplz - Had a quite strong tunnel on Alison being town and is generally someone I think Brad is likely to pick due to close relationship, but, I think they're just town. The way they called me polarized (which I especially can see after looking at my most recent wolf games) and tip toeing around the Alison from MU play gives me some towny vibes. I'm ready to be wrong here but at least that's my current thought.

Seanzie - Likely just town. His push on Sabi and trying to shut down people saying Alison was unlikely gonna be picked as wolf since "she's one of the best wolves here" feels just +++++ I like.

Shending_Help - N1

Spacedaisy - Her "liking me therefore voting HK" felt a bit pockety but the rest of her EoD is fine really.

TOWN
Dunya
Shening_Help
--------
Seanzie
Cape90
Marmot
--------
Spacedaisy
Sabiplz
Falcon
--------
Dya
Wilgy
Jack
WOLF

[Wisdom]

Okay actually time to remove the elephant out of the room and drop cover since a cop just flipped anyway.
I think Dunya is highly likely to be a wolf from picking since Brad likes to pick strong players as wolf captain and she's probably the best player this game as far as I know.
[VOTE: Dunya[/Dunya]

Shen is probably town despite being wrong on HK. His drive so far smells very towny!

So a more accurate read list is

TOWN
Seanzie
Cape90
Marmot
Shending_Help
---------
Spacedaisy
Sabiplz
Falcon
---------
Dya
Wilgy
Jack
Dunya
WOLF] aubergine

[Wisdom]

AHAHAHAH I FAIL <3

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

I literally just did the same mistake this time but I noticed it before posting, go me!

[Wisdom]

What is an ITA?

In Thread Attack.
During the ITA window you have a chance to attack someone, with a 10% chance of hitting. Everyone has one shot each today.

(Actually I might be willing to derp clear for this)

[Shending_Help]

Knowing wolves has at least 1 goon means there were 5-6 wolves if I understand it correctly. Unless one wolf got stacked with PRs.

@Wisdom

Not necessarily if I'm reading things right. I think there are 3 potential things you could pick:

-Players
-PR abilities (tied to a player)
-mechanics (this ITA phase existing being 1 example. I would guess the town leader picked it as one of their choices)

And the mechanics wouldn't be tied to a player, so there could for example have been 4 mafia. 2 of them being PRs. And then there existing 2 unknown mafia favored mechanics that's gonna help them out

But I think it's still probably a good idea to assume there were 5-6 wolves from the start just to not get caught out guard by their voting power. But there for sure can exist a world where there's like only 2 wolves left alive

[Wisdom]

I see I see.
Considering this hasn't been a very wim-heavy game so far I can see wolves being kinda crushed atm, would make it easier to smoke out the rest, although that would depend on townies being active today.

[Marmot]

@Alison has died. She flips...MAFIA! Goon.

Day continues, votes for alison will not be counted, and hammer remains at 7.

Spoiler: show

@ Cape90
@ DrWilgy
@ dunya
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Jackofhearts2005
@ Marmot
@ sabiplz
@ Seanzie
@ Shending_Help
@ Spacedaisy
@ Wisdom

POG!

[Marmot]

@Wisdom I think Wilgy is more likely to have himself bussed over bussing another teammate.

I also am trying to think of a world where mafia hellbussed hk, and given that he was a PR, it doesn't seem like an optimal solution. If there are 5-6 mafia, they had plenty of voting power. But maybe the mafia team is just low WIM, and that WIM dropped even lower after that Alison shot.

I realize now I had read the ITA rules incorrectly. I thought we each got a shot in each window, but the reality is that we only get one shot total, so there was no rush to use it.


The reason I was proposing a list and pushing that discussion forward was twofold

1) If there were a 6 wolves, then utilizing all of our KP to eliminate them is important to lower the mafia/town ratio quickly and finding a consensus for who to ITA would be helpful.
2) I have a single Day 2 vig shot, and plan on using it after the second ITA window closes.

[dyachei]

Cape90 - Got somewhat towny vibes here but mostly gonna sheep SS here. @Shending_Help do you still have a town read here? Also Cape's not w/w with Sabi. Asking for people's reads on Alison deserves a town point!

DrWilgy -LHF. @Marmot is Wilgy likely to have bussed at the time he voted for HK?

dunya - N0, hoping she turns up though. Waiting for her answer on Seanzie that Dya asked her.

dyachei - I can see this be a wolf really, but that's mostly based on them town reading Alison and not wanting to vote in HK/Sabi and if Sabi is wolfing then this is ugh. If Sabi town, that's a town point for Dya though. @dyachei what's the concern you have on Marmot?

falcon45ca - 3-poster. Could very well be a wolf but would indicate he doesn't give a crap about team/game which, eh, I don't really expect to apply on a somewhat acknowledged player like Falcon.

Jackofhearts2005 - I caaaan see this be a wolf. I liked his draft speculation d1, but he hasn't really done much since and that's not something that matches my perception of his town game. Also think saying HK TMI'd Wilgy town after HK said that me/Shen/Marmot/Wilgy were towy feels... well, inaccurate, I doubt HK just called four townies town right off the bat.

Marmot - Not w/w with Dya. Have general town vibes here and think Alison might have TMI'd him town. Also think saying "Alison is unlikely picked due to being unorthodox" and following up with "Sabi and Alison could be wolfing together" is showing that the reads are non-stagnant. Wanted a shot list of Sean/Falcon/Jack and if there's two wolves there I'd clear Marmot.

sabiplz - Had a quite strong tunnel on Alison being town and is generally someone I think Brad is likely to pick due to close relationship, but, I think they're just town. The way they called me polarized (which I especially can see after looking at my most recent wolf games) and tip toeing around the Alison from MU play gives me some towny vibes. I'm ready to be wrong here but at least that's my current thought.

Seanzie - Likely just town. His push on Sabi and trying to shut down people saying Alison was unlikely gonna be picked as wolf since "she's one of the best wolves here" feels just +++++ I like.

Shending_Help - N1

Spacedaisy - Her "liking me therefore voting HK" felt a bit pockety but the rest of her EoD is fine really.

TOWN
Dunya
Shening_Help
--------
Seanzie
Cape90
Marmot
--------
Spacedaisy
Sabiplz
Falcon
--------
Dya
Wilgy
Jack
WOLF

huh? I didnt v read alison at all. I said I was bad at reading her early, pretty sure

as for falcon, read their opening again and maybe you'll see what I'm concerned about

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i think they may be softing something

[Marmot]

dya, did you express concern about me? Wisdom said you did but I can't find it.

[Marmot]

This is DrWilgy's vote from early Day 1.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

And given hk's posts to that point:

I'd say I'm fashionably late but by the looks of things I'm still early

so goodby for days

I think it's a bussable vote. I wouldn't put it past Wilgy to vote a teammate early on like this.

[Shending_Help]

2) I have a single Day 2 vig shot, and plan on using it after the second ITA window closes.

That's very Pog.

In other news: I'm like halfway through my re-read of the game, and my current towncore is:

Me
Wisdom
Sean
You
Cape
*slight gap*
Sabi (especially if Dya is a wolf, which is where i'm leaning. But *probably* town regardless)



I also wanna tell you that I think you're wrong where you in #199 townread Dya for her post that was complaining about Wisdom's V-read on her being not deserved.

That's a very Dyachei kind of post, but not an AI one IMO.

Anyway, more thoughts of mine coming in a while (that's mostly gonna be me justifying my towncore)

(I'm also retracting my Cop cover, so I don't have Spacedaisy as n0 anymore)

[Marmot]

@Shending_Help that was a joke post on dya based on the of the content of their post lol

[Shending_Help]

well ok. I feel like this has happened twice now lmao (this and then the Cape thing where u appearently just copied his "tbh lol")

awkward