Jestermania [END]

[LinearPoint]

no, chopping the jester is not realistically treated like mischopping a townie. Chopping the jester, in this game, is the same as chopping town in F3. The game is over. It's not desirable to avoid it MUST be avoided for either side to win the game.

OK, but advocating to not lynch Mafia because they might be the Jester is also a losing scenario.
So this mentality is just bad.

[hollowkatt]

Does the Jester lay low in hopes of a "death to slankers" mentality take hold of the town?



@Marmot what do you think?

tbh that's not a horrible idea. Just be vaguely wolfy, low post, and let the natural bloodthirsty nature of TS take over.

[hollowkatt]

no, chopping the jester is not realistically treated like mischopping a townie. Chopping the jester, in this game, is the same as chopping town in F3. The game is over. It's not desirable to avoid it MUST be avoided for either side to win the game.

OK, but advocating to not lynch Mafia because they might be the Jester is also a losing scenario.
So this mentality is just bad.

ok, what's the solution then? because I want to win this game. I don't want to go "lulz we chopped the jester d1 wasn't that fun and funny".

We lose the game if the jester is chopped. there are no KP roles for town in the setup, so either we identify the jester and ignore them forever and freeze them out, or we what, hope wolves NK them?

[LinearPoint]

no, chopping the jester is not realistically treated like mischopping a townie. Chopping the jester, in this game, is the same as chopping town in F3. The game is over. It's not desirable to avoid it MUST be avoided for either side to win the game.

OK, but advocating to not lynch Mafia because they might be the Jester is also a losing scenario.
So this mentality is just bad.

ok, what's the solution then? because I want to win this game. I don't want to go "lulz we chopped the jester d1 wasn't that fun and funny".

We lose the game if the jester is chopped. there are no KP roles for town in the setup, so either we identify the jester and ignore them forever and freeze them out, or we what, hope wolves NK them?

But if we don't lynch anyone we lose.
I do not get how you think advocating to not lynch anyone is ever a good idea even if Jester is in the game.

[hollowkatt]

no, chopping the jester is not realistically treated like mischopping a townie. Chopping the jester, in this game, is the same as chopping town in F3. The game is over. It's not desirable to avoid it MUST be avoided for either side to win the game.

OK, but advocating to not lynch Mafia because they might be the Jester is also a losing scenario.
So this mentality is just bad.

ok, what's the solution then? because I want to win this game. I don't want to go "lulz we chopped the jester d1 wasn't that fun and funny".

We lose the game if the jester is chopped. there are no KP roles for town in the setup, so either we identify the jester and ignore them forever and freeze them out, or we what, hope wolves NK them?

But if we don't lynch anyone we lose.
I do not get how you think advocating to not lynch anyone is ever a good idea even if Jester is in the game.

show me where I said I don't want to chop people? What I said was we can't treat chopping the jester like getting a townie wrong because chopping the jester ends the game.

[hollowkatt]

that means use caution, not "don't do chops" lol

[LinearPoint]

Pray tell how you do expect to know who is the Jester?

[hollowkatt]

Pray tell how you do expect to know who is the Jester?

no I don't expect to know who the jester is. But what I do know is that many people will play jester "weird", especially if it is their first time. They'll be more chaotic than normal, they may make reads they don't normally make, or post things that are out of character for them as either alignment. That would be indicative that maybe we don't want to look there.

Yes that's a path for wolves to take as well idgaf really.

My only point in responding to you the first time was that jester <> mistake on town and you're kinda blowing that out of proportion.
Are you the jester we should be freezing?

[LinearPoint]

Pray tell how you do expect to know who is the Jester?

no I don't expect to know who the jester is. But what I do know is that many people will play jester "weird", especially if it is their first time. They'll be more chaotic than normal, they may make reads they don't normally make, or post things that are out of character for them as either alignment. That would be indicative that maybe we don't want to look there.

Yes that's a path for wolves to take as well idgaf really.

My only point in responding to you the first time was that jester <> mistake on town and you're kinda blowing that out of proportion.
Are you the jester we should be freezing?

The point I'm making is that the identity of the Jester is unknowable.
And trying to play around it is nearly pointless as we just cannot afford to not lynch people because there is a Jester alive.
We can't not play the game because Jester is alive especially since we know the Mafia Goon is likely going to try their best to appear identical to a Jester since it's their only protection from the Cop.

[falcon45ca]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

[LinearPoint]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

[NotAnAxehole]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

That's a lot of words to say:

no u

[LinearPoint]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

That's a lot of words to say:

no u

Look there is a post limit not a character limit.
I will milk the post dry.
I just wanted to really drive home the fact that Falcon is just being overly projecting.

[NotAnAxehole]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

That's a lot of words to say:

no u

Look there is a post limit not a character limit.
I will milk the post dry.
I just wanted to really drive home the fact that Falcon is just being overly projecting.

How do you know he's projecting?

What does that mean for his alignment?

Why does it matter how his contributions relate to yours?

[falcon45ca]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

I was voting Scotty first...



You don't have to agree with my reasoning, but I do have it.



You seem flustered...why is that?



Are you SR, TR, or JR my slot?

[LinearPoint]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

That's a lot of words to say:

no u

Look there is a post limit not a character limit.
I will milk the post dry.
I just wanted to really drive home the fact that Falcon is just being overly projecting.

How do you know he's projecting?

What does that mean for his alignment?

Why does it matter how his contributions relate to yours?

Well it's obvious I've been making contributions and him saying I was not was a blatant lie.
Compounded by the fact he himself has been posting fluff is very evident that he is just projecting.

Right now, his behavior is what I expect from someone trying to appear as a Jester, so he is either the Mafia Goon or Jester.
I was thinking it well before his comment around the time he was rapidly changing votes and giving reads with 0 explanation, but his last post to me solidifies the fact that he is trying to appear as a Jester since it was such an easily debunked lie.

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

[LinearPoint]

Although Falcon's last post does give some pause.
I didn't see it when posting, but that isn't quite the response I expected from a Mafia or Jester.

[NotAnAxehole]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

That's a lot of words to say:

no u

Look there is a post limit not a character limit.
I will milk the post dry.
I just wanted to really drive home the fact that Falcon is just being overly projecting.

How do you know he's projecting?

What does that mean for his alignment?

Why does it matter how his contributions relate to yours?

Well it's obvious I've been making contributions and him saying I was not was a blatant lie.
Compounded by the fact he himself has been posting fluff is very evident that he is just projecting.

Right now, his behavior is what I expect from someone trying to appear as a Jester, so he is either the Mafia Goon or Jester.
I was thinking it well before his comment around the time he was rapidly changing votes and giving reads with 0 explanation, but his last post to me solidifies the fact that he is trying to appear as a Jester since it was such an easily debunked lie.

If he's town, then he's not projecting or lying, he's just playing in a manner you disagree with, hmm?

[LinearPoint]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

That's a lot of words to say:

no u

Look there is a post limit not a character limit.
I will milk the post dry.
I just wanted to really drive home the fact that Falcon is just being overly projecting.

How do you know he's projecting?

What does that mean for his alignment?

Why does it matter how his contributions relate to yours?

Well it's obvious I've been making contributions and him saying I was not was a blatant lie.
Compounded by the fact he himself has been posting fluff is very evident that he is just projecting.

Right now, his behavior is what I expect from someone trying to appear as a Jester, so he is either the Mafia Goon or Jester.
I was thinking it well before his comment around the time he was rapidly changing votes and giving reads with 0 explanation, but his last post to me solidifies the fact that he is trying to appear as a Jester since it was such an easily debunked lie.

If he's town, then he's not projecting or lying, he's just playing in a manner you disagree with, hmm?

Projection no as he might think he's doing something productive with his posts I guess.
It's still a lie though since I don't see how someone can sincerely make that argument. Best you could say it was an ignorance post and Falcon literally has not read anything this game.
I can't really fault him for intentionally lying as Town as I've done that numerous times.

[NotAnAxehole]

So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

[LinearPoint]

So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

[Scotty]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

lol if you think LP has an ounce of jester energy in how they approached the game at first, you’re mistaken. LP as jester makes zero sense. Mafia, yes. LP didn’t intend to set themself up as a lynch target I don’t think.

Your comment here seems to imply that you think they’re just saying words to say words, like a jester. Even tho you’re currently voting there.

That’s why….

You could be the jester. Just scummy enough not to be a NK target.

[falcon45ca]

LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

lol if you think LP has an ounce of jester energy in how they approached the game at first, you’re mistaken. LP as jester makes zero sense. Mafia, yes. LP didn’t intend to set themself up as a lynch target I don’t think.

Your comment here seems to imply that you think they’re just saying words to say words, like a jester. Even tho you’re currently voting there.

That’s why….

You could be the jester. Just scummy enough not to be a NK target.

Dude, I don't think he's Jester...



I'm pretty positive that I've poked Marmot as Jester

[falcon45ca]

So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

I have lost count of the number of times I've heard scum make this defense

[falcon45ca]

Am I surprised that the 2 player's I called out as scum are voting for me?



No, I am not.



You two are both OMGUSin', and to the one of ya that's actually town?



Ya better than that

[NotAnAxehole]

So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

I have lost count of the number of times I've heard scum make this defense

How far did you get before losing count?

[falcon45ca]

So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

I have lost count of the number of times I've heard scum make this defense

How far did you get before losing count?

I smoke a lot of weed dude, ain't got time for that shit



Recently Mac pulled it in....Champs I believe

[Scotty]

I think falcon is a good chance at being jester with how he’s approached the game thus far

LC why you there

[Scotty]

Falcon not a jester confirmed

I obviously rescind this

But my question to Lp still stands: how does one differentiate between mafia scummy and jester scummy?

I don’t think there’s a clear answer

@LinearPoint

[Scotty]

So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

“I haven't made a scummy post this game”
This is a post someone makes that is very cognizant of the perception other people have of them.

I’m not sure that’s exactly damning but it’s not exactly a towny post lol

[Scotty]

So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

I have lost count of the number of times I've heard scum make this defense

Oh ok hi fellow Vulcan

[Lime Coke]

I think falcon is a good chance at being jester with how he’s approached the game thus far

LC why you there

I don't get his post talking about me and LP having a wolf in us with a discussion that was about the same as the conversations that happened a few times already in the game.







Plus his answer to my initial question felt like he was trying to compensate for the lack of an answer by voting/talking about someone else entirely different.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think falcon is a good chance at being jester with how he’s approached the game thus far

LC why you there

But I'm the Jester.

[LinearPoint]

Am I surprised that the 2 player's I called out as scum are voting for me?



No, I am not.



You two are both OMGUSin', and to the one of ya that's actually town?



Ya better than that

Have you tried scum hunting?
I heard that is generally more effective than scumsiding if you're aiming to win as Town.
So, I guess if you were to stop trying to act like a Jester maybe I could Town read you.
The problem is you have not yet actually called out a single player this game. You made a few half-assed reads and refuse to back them up with anything.
You are the antithesis of Town you are trying to not help Town at this point.

Falcon not a jester confirmed

I obviously rescind this

But my question to Lp still stands: how does one differentiate between mafia scummy and jester scummy?

I don’t think there’s a clear answer

@LinearPoint

I answered that here.

The main reason I'm not really worried about the Jester is because the way I see it a good Jester will be indistinguishable from a Mafia Goon.
So we just cannot actually find the Jester and the only way to really guarantee someone is a Jester is for the Cop to check them and either the Goon dies or the GF claims to say they are the Jester.
Neither of those outcomes I'm particularly banking on, so really it's not like actively searching for the Jester will help and worrying about "they might be Jester" just will lead to a lot of tied votes or barely voted on lynches.

There is just quite literally not a way of accurately picking out the Jester, so it is pointless to try.

[DrWilgy]

Does the Jester lay low in hopes of a "death to slankers" mentality take hold of the town?



@Marmot what do you think?

Yes

[Dolby]

1/10th of the way to Dolby (10)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

ISO links are up in the first post.

[hollowkatt]

at some point I am going to advocate for killing dolby.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sorry I was asleep

[DrWilgy]

Sorry I was asleep

[hollowkatt]

sorry I was katze

[Scotty]

A² / √121 + i(0) = sin (a + ¥45000,60)

Dolby is more likely to be mafia than jester by my calculations.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

at some point I am going to advocate for killing dolby.

Towny mindmeld?

[Marmot]

Sorry for being non existent. Been a busy couple days. I also thought I'd have internet access on my computer but I don't

Someone give me a read to sheep plz

[hollowkatt]

Sorry for being non existent. Been a busy couple days. I also thought I'd have internet access on my computer but I don't

Someone give me a read to sheep plz

dolby is anti-town. I don't know if he's wolf or jester though.
LinearPoint I think is a wolf. While they could be jester I think they're just furry.

I think falcon and nanook are town. scotty too.

[Lime Coke]

Why are games so dead on this site?

[Lime Coke]

This is like the second Day 1 in a row where nothing has happened.

[hollowkatt]

I think there's a certain amount of fear that we're going to chop the jester today and the game will end.