RPG Mafia MAFIA WIN

[Dolby]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

[Dolby]

hi good morning
i've realized that dunya is town sorry for the confusion

ok, in your world do town jack and town tsp push town dunya as their preferred chop for today

nope

I feel like there's two groups forming here:
TSP/Jack/Urist

Dunya/Scotty/HK

and everyone else is revolving around those two and the question is which group has more wolves in it though I guess it's theoretically possibly in a dya/LP, X world that they're all town and the wolf team is just a weird group that aren't actually interacting all that much together.

if I continue to assume cfc is pure.

I agree with all of this except why is Urist associated with Jack/Tony?

tbh when I look at group 1 it's hard to not see it as a group that is grouped for going under the radar during d1

I had that feeling D1, I can probably dig it up if you're interested.

I don't think it's invalid but I also think that Jack going harder D2 should be recognized

[Urist]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

[Dolby]

I am actively opposed to a Wilgy yeet, just activity vig him (pending ISO reread)

Sig is actually going to need to be activity vigged, he ain't coming back

[Marmot]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

The only wolf game I've seen from dunya in the last year or two was MtG Mafia, so that's the only one I could point you to to check out.

I don't recall if there was any AtE there.

[Dolby]

Wilgy's still under 10 posts for the day right?

[Scotty]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

I dunno about AtE but I had this in my drafts I didn’t post yesterday that I just remembered I had:


Just gonna drop these here:

i joined this game to have fun with my friends, i really wanted to play a laid back game where i didn't take control of any narrative, formed reads and maybe for once in my life actually sheeped others who i townread instead.

so i'm gonna do that and if it's gets me yeeted, yolo

either state a case or kindly get off my ass. at this point, you're probably >rand mafia for not seeing the role hints i dropped you and you're not gonna keep me in the poe cos it suits you. go swim in the ocean and catch some other fishies or kill me at night pls and release me from this game.

i think i give up on ever being easily town read by syndicate people lol

why can't i have someone who town reads me as easily as HK townread jack?

[Marmot]

Wilgy's still under 10 posts for the day right?

Nah he cleared himself.

[hollowkatt]

hi good morning
i've realized that dunya is town sorry for the confusion

ok, in your world do town jack and town tsp push town dunya as their preferred chop for today

nope

I feel like there's two groups forming here:
TSP/Jack/Urist

Dunya/Scotty/HK

and everyone else is revolving around those two and the question is which group has more wolves in it though I guess it's theoretically possibly in a dya/LP, X world that they're all town and the wolf team is just a weird group that aren't actually interacting all that much together.

if I continue to assume cfc is pure.

group 1 contains 2 wolves max

I kinda think that group 2 only contains 1 wolf if it does but I think that there could be a 2nd wolf if we're getting fleeced, sure

while you're here...

Do you think it's possible that those 6 contain zero wolves, and if so can cfc still be pure? I think that's what I'm getting hung up on. If that group of 6 is pure and cfc is pure that would literally leave the entire wolf team contained in:

dya
marmot
naa
lp
sig
wigley

and I don't think I can make a cohesive wolf team out of that group.

I think that all 6 names do not contain 0 wolves and it is a function of Jack/TSP/Urist just not really feeling like it contains 0 wolves for me. I know that I just said that they're being grouped for ISP, but I don't really think they're pure? I look at Group 2 and I'm definetely fine with you town, less fine with Scotty town now but still TR him. Dunya can die, especially if LP w

If those 6 are pure it's either an all slanker team, or CFC is compromised

I might even go as far to say that if naa/lp/sig/wilgy only has one wolf and the 6 names are pure, CFC contains TWO wolves. Howeever, I do not actually believe in that world being real

In which case idk who to look at but it's not Syn

which is why I'm landing on resolve dunya today and deal with that fallout tomorrow.
If dunya = wolf then by extension scotty and myself look poorly. I think syn might as well.
LP probably looks a touch better but I'm not discounting w/w wagons at all here.

TSP/Jack look really good off of that. Urist less good.

You and Raskol are probably the same tbh. Dya looks marginally better I think.
Wigley probs spewed town in that instance though someone still probably murks him at night anyways just to be sure.

marmot also probably looks about the same.

[hollowkatt]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

sure but her AtE is the "makes you feel good" kind not the makes you feel bad kind so it's far less noticeable.

[Scotty]

I was looking for similarities between this game and her scum game then, but it’s marred by the fact that Wilgy posted a red check at top of D2. Her wim never faltered, she had some moments like I posted with brief AtE but overall I do feel like this game is a different type of game.

[Marmot]

Oh, dunya was town and took a fair amount of pressure in Rings of Power Mafia, so that might be another good town data point, especially since it was recent.

[hollowkatt]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

[Marmot]

Disclaimer: AtE is not inherently bad, only excessive AtE is.

[hollowkatt]

ok, in your world do town jack and town tsp push town dunya as their preferred chop for today

nope

I feel like there's two groups forming here:
TSP/Jack/Urist

Dunya/Scotty/HK

and everyone else is revolving around those two and the question is which group has more wolves in it though I guess it's theoretically possibly in a dya/LP, X world that they're all town and the wolf team is just a weird group that aren't actually interacting all that much together.

if I continue to assume cfc is pure.

I agree with all of this except why is Urist associated with Jack/Tony?

tbh when I look at group 1 it's hard to not see it as a group that is grouped for going under the radar during d1

I had that feeling D1, I can probably dig it up if you're interested.

I don't think it's invalid but I also think that Jack going harder D2 should be recognized

yeah, should be recognized for sure.

[hollowkatt]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

The only wolf game I've seen from dunya in the last year or two was MtG Mafia, so that's the only one I could point you to to check out.

I don't recall if there was any AtE there.

no, just vicious pocketing in a neighborhood

[Scotty]

Disclaimer: AtE is not inherently bad, only excessive AtE is.

And I combed through her MtG scum game and didn’t see excessive AtE, only bits and pieces.

[Dolby]

If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive

I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon

I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned

[Scotty]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

[Scotty]

If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive

I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon

I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned

I almost always advocate for people to bus me if I’m crashing on D1 ftr
No one saves this dog

[Urist]

And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

The only wolf game I've seen from dunya in the last year or two was MtG Mafia, so that's the only one I could point you to to check out.

I don't recall if there was any AtE there.

pretty sure there wasn't.
the question was more for jack / syn to support their statements that this is dunya's wolf meta.

[Dolby]

If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive

I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon

I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned

like yeah Wilgy's Urist/Dunya read is bad but progressing into it being a scumread on Urist to undecided between both, specifically following in thread prompting from teammate Dunya is a ??? play from a wolf and is probably town

[Marmot]

Maybe dunia is just town

[Urist]

If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive

I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon

I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned

i don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flip

[Scotty]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

You never switched your vote to LP btw

[Dolby]

If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive

I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon

I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned

i don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flip

I don't think that the Dunya wagon gets created if Creature/Scotty are v/w AND Dunya v.

Could be a town created flash but idk who started the wagon lol, just when it started

[hollowkatt]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

[Dolby]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

[Scotty]

Sigh [VOTE: dunya] aubergine

[Urist]

If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive

I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon

I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned

i don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flip

I don't think that the Dunya wagon gets created if Creature/Scotty are v/w AND Dunya v.

Could be a town created flash but idk who started the wagon lol, just when it started

i was specifically talking about your last point that dunya and LP are always aligned.

[Scotty]

Vote count:

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Dolby
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
12%
Voters: Urist, dunya
Dunya
6
35%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, TonyStarkPrime, Marmot, hollowkatt, Scotty
dyachei
0
No votes
Voters: None
hollowkatt
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
Le petit poussin
0
No votes
Voters: None
LinearPoint
3
18%
Voters: dyachei, Dolby, NotAnAxehole
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
NotAnAxehole
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
2
12%
Voters: LinearPoint, Le petit poussin
Urist
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sleep (can be hammered)
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote (cannot be hammered)
1
6%
Voters: Syn

[Dolby]

If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive

I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon

I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned

i don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flip

I don't think that the Dunya wagon gets created if Creature/Scotty are v/w AND Dunya v.

Could be a town created flash but idk who started the wagon lol, just when it started

i was specifically talking about your last point that dunya and LP are always aligned.

Dunya has been actively preventing a additional town kill if Wilgy v. That's enough for me

[Scotty]

ftr dunya flipped her lid at start of d2 after she got a few votes.

TSP and jack have been hard going for her since then. If dunya flips wolf, I contend that this was a hellbus ploy the whole time for cred

[Dolby]

Actually that's probably a point to Dunya w given that Wilgy is just nightkillable

[Urist]

i'm part irish so i don't have a lot of time today. i'll try to be around for deadline but it's doubtful i'll be able to do anything more than place votes.

my preferred kills today are marmot > tsp > jack

[Urist]

ftr dunya flipped her lid at start of d2 after she got a few votes.

TSP and jack have been hard going for her since then. If dunya flips wolf, I contend that this was a hellbus ploy the whole time for cred

i agree with this. jack and tsp look bad for the dunya push regardless of her alignment.

[Marmot]

Tbf, dunya voted Wilgy well before the discussion around vigging him, so I don't know if I'd dock her points for that.

[Marmot]

i'm part irish so i don't have a lot of time today. i'll try to be around for deadline but it's doubtful i'll be able to do anything more than place votes.

my preferred kills today are marmot > tsp > jack

Nice

[Marmot]

let's not kill dunya

Because you had a vision in your dreams last night?
Why not dunya

wagon economics, partly. i think there have been enough lulls / chaos where if she were mafia, her partners could have stepped in to save her. instead, she's still a leading wagon while the wagons on everyone else have mostly disappeared. i think this is indicative of her being town, with wolves pushing her. specifically, i think at least two wolves are in the list of people currently voting her: Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, TonyStarkPrime, Marmot, hollowkatt
aside from that, i was thinking last night about her behaviour this game, particularly the AtE that she insists isn't AtE, and I don't think that's the sort of thing she'd pull as scum.

I do think this is a reasonable take, but do you think we can actually elim any of those players who are actually wolves while dunya is alive?

That reminds me, could you answer this question Urist.

[Dolby]

oh wilgy can't be activity vigged anymore

[Urist]

let's not kill dunya

Because you had a vision in your dreams last night?
Why not dunya

wagon economics, partly. i think there have been enough lulls / chaos where if she were mafia, her partners could have stepped in to save her. instead, she's still a leading wagon while the wagons on everyone else have mostly disappeared. i think this is indicative of her being town, with wolves pushing her. specifically, i think at least two wolves are in the list of people currently voting her: Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, TonyStarkPrime, Marmot, hollowkatt
aside from that, i was thinking last night about her behaviour this game, particularly the AtE that she insists isn't AtE, and I don't think that's the sort of thing she'd pull as scum.

I do think this is a reasonable take, but do you think we can actually elim any of those players who are actually wolves while dunya is alive?

That reminds me, could you answer this question Urist.

i mean yes, i don't think anyone on that list is particularly unyeetable.

[Dolby]

Tbf, dunya voted Wilgy well before the discussion around vigging him, so I don't know if I'd dock her points for that.

I kinda thought he was still eligible

[Marmot]

i'm part irish so i don't have a lot of time today. i'll try to be around for deadline but it's doubtful i'll be able to do anything more than place votes.

my preferred kills today are marmot > tsp > jack

What happened to your desire to kill dunya?

[Marmot]

Tbf, dunya voted Wilgy well before the discussion around vigging him, so I don't know if I'd dock her points for that.

I kinda thought he was still eligible

dunya (and I) voted for him, then the discussion around him being vigged happened, then the pro-rate patch was added by the host (making Wilgy no longer eligible at the time), then Wilgy posted himself clear anyway

I think that was the timeline.

[Dolby]

what's the thread take on marmot

[hollowkatt]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

You never switched your vote to LP btw

lol thanks fixed it.

[Urist]

what's the thread take on marmot

marmot is an enigma
the fact that nobody's been talking about him one way or another is >rand scum.
even in the talks about "who looks bad for pushing dunya", marmot's name doesn't come up.

[Scotty]

[Scotty]

what's the thread take on marmot

marmot is an enigma
the fact that nobody's been talking about him one way or another is >rand scum.
even in the talks about "who looks bad for pushing dunya", marmot's name doesn't come up.

I have him as neutral good, but it’s only been a gut thing.

[hollowkatt]

Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.