GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Belzy]

Okay guys look. It's pretty simple
If the pool flips 0/4 scums
It is on the other side of the map ---> MacDougall, JPIC, Sloonei, Falcon
Didn't check the numbers but I think we still afford to dispose some townies today

If only those 4 were listed rn.

We can.. We can...tmrw...
Also expecting a townie provides a good quote and receive a gun tomorrow and proceeds to shoot another townie.

Okay guys look. It's pretty simple
If the pool flips 0/4 scums
It is on the other side of the map ---> MacDougall, JPIC, Sloonei, Falcon
Didn't check the numbers but I think we still afford to dispose some townies today

Why are those four the 'other side of the map' from our current options? How do those four fit together?

Let's talk about it post-flip ^^
For now, let's relax... enjoy the EoD


To summ it up.
I'm still hard claiming Town Protective
The hard question is... does mafia have the balls to let me live through the night and lynch me tomorrow for being a LHF
or just straight-out visit me tonight? hihi

I am really set about having only the current 8 options.

[Belzy]

Sad* not set

[Master Radishes]

Should be noted for context, I think, that I stopped reading Guillo's posts a long time ago. I skim and scan now and then but otherwise ignore them. I find them too performative, wildly speculative, and in general simply unhelpful to my own solving process, as bad as it may be on its own. So I actually only saw this via Alexa quoting it and asking about it.

I believe if you two were wolves together would be doing a better job at distancing so this is not it. Are you two scum from different factions? @ilario @alexa

It's actually not as pingy when I read it again now, but at the time this felt like needless fear-mongering. Like, I get his follow-up argument about 3P semantically counting as 'scum', but Guillo is dipping from overly performative into unecessary speculation with the purpose of...I mean, I don't know a towny purpose for this, actually. But I guess then again I don't know a towny purpose for any of Guillo's persona. Anyway, it pinged me at the time because Guillo is notorious for his high mech games, and I can't believe he'd try to push the narrative of multiball in a game that is clearly not.

But Guillo is performative (ofc), and seemingly being deliberately contrarian. It feels like he's playing his own game in his own thread when he posts. He is figuratively shouting about his wild theories but none of his words actually have much follow up to them, and certainly no impact on the game, and he doesn't actually come across in his actions as being concerned about convincing us of his views. He is omgusing and targeting his accusers' credibility left and right.

^That's how I'd describe him in Spiderverse (my one experience of him being scum) and it's sort of how I'm ready to describe him here, caveat being, yeah, I'm not really reading his posts properly, because every time I start to I roll my eyes so far into the back of my head I go momentarily blind.

In a vacuum, it's a wolfy slot. Being 'weird' is not a saving grace for someone like Guillo, from my limited experience.

[Paopan]

Oh wait... Sabie, c4 Sig dropped... what? 112, Guillo, TSP increased?

I'm getting more confident than before that we got wolves inside this pool

[Master Radishes]

Can we please keep Sig as one of our 4?

That nutella shot was gross and now he's basically ghosted us since.

[Porscha]

I'm Doctor Mc Shooty BPVFace

I dunno what BPV stands for but are you pulling out a 1 time doc lie to make it out of this round of voting or what. why reveal that right now

[Paopan]

Should be noted for context, I think, that I stopped reading Guillo's posts a long time ago. I skim and scan now and then but otherwise ignore them. I find them too performative, wildly speculative, and in general simply unhelpful to my own solving process, as bad as it may be on its own. So I actually only saw this via Alexa quoting it and asking about it.

I believe if you two were wolves together would be doing a better job at distancing so this is not it. Are you two scum from different factions? @ilario @alexa

It's actually not as pingy when I read it again now, but at the time this felt like needless fear-mongering. Like, I get his follow-up argument about 3P semantically counting as 'scum', but Guillo is dipping from overly performative into unecessary speculation with the purpose of...I mean, I don't know a towny purpose for this, actually. But I guess then again I don't know a towny purpose for any of Guillo's persona. Anyway, it pinged me at the time because Guillo is notorious for his high mech games, and I can't believe he'd try to push the narrative of multiball in a game that is clearly not.

But Guillo is performative (ofc), and seemingly being deliberately contrarian. It feels like he's playing his own game in his own thread when he posts. He is figuratively shouting about his wild theories but none of his words actually have much follow up to them, and certainly no impact on the game, and he doesn't actually come across in his actions as being concerned about convincing us of his views. He is omgusing and targeting his accusers' credibility left and right.

^That's how I'd describe him in Spiderverse (my one experience of him being scum) and it's sort of how I'm ready to describe him here, caveat being, yeah, I'm not really reading his posts properly, because every time I start to I roll my eyes so far into the back of my head I go momentarily blind.

In a vacuum, it's a wolfy slot. Being 'weird' is not a saving grace for someone like Guillo, from my limited experience.

What's the flip tho? You left out the most important thing

[Creature]

my home site used to play 240hr days 72ish hour nights. Was a lot of fun. Post counts were never insane though. It's not like people thread camped for 10 IRL days straight just hyperposting

Used to play mafiascum which was like 14 days long day phases. It was such a drag I needed to play five games at once so I wouldn't grow bored and forget I am playing a game.

[Master Radishes]

Should be noted for context, I think, that I stopped reading Guillo's posts a long time ago. I skim and scan now and then but otherwise ignore them. I find them too performative, wildly speculative, and in general simply unhelpful to my own solving process, as bad as it may be on its own. So I actually only saw this via Alexa quoting it and asking about it.

I believe if you two were wolves together would be doing a better job at distancing so this is not it. Are you two scum from different factions? @ilario @alexa

It's actually not as pingy when I read it again now, but at the time this felt like needless fear-mongering. Like, I get his follow-up argument about 3P semantically counting as 'scum', but Guillo is dipping from overly performative into unecessary speculation with the purpose of...I mean, I don't know a towny purpose for this, actually. But I guess then again I don't know a towny purpose for any of Guillo's persona. Anyway, it pinged me at the time because Guillo is notorious for his high mech games, and I can't believe he'd try to push the narrative of multiball in a game that is clearly not.

But Guillo is performative (ofc), and seemingly being deliberately contrarian. It feels like he's playing his own game in his own thread when he posts. He is figuratively shouting about his wild theories but none of his words actually have much follow up to them, and certainly no impact on the game, and he doesn't actually come across in his actions as being concerned about convincing us of his views. He is omgusing and targeting his accusers' credibility left and right.

^That's how I'd describe him in Spiderverse (my one experience of him being scum) and it's sort of how I'm ready to describe him here, caveat being, yeah, I'm not really reading his posts properly, because every time I start to I roll my eyes so far into the back of my head I go momentarily blind.

In a vacuum, it's a wolfy slot. Being 'weird' is not a saving grace for someone like Guillo, from my limited experience.

What's the flip tho? You left out the most important thing

Read the bit in ( ) afterwards - he was scum there.

[Master Radishes]

Anyway, dipping out. Will try to come back for EoD but no promises.

[Creature]

Can we please keep Sig as one of our 4?

That nutella shot was gross and now he's basically ghosted us since.

I don't mind policying him. sabie, on the other hand, I think has somewhat helped town with her shot.

[Creature]

I'm Doctor Mc Shooty BPVFace

I dunno what BPV stands for but are you pulling out a 1 time doc lie to make it out of this round of voting or what. why reveal that right now

BPV = bulletproof vest

[Paopan]

I'm Doctor Mc Shooty BPVFace

I dunno what BPV stands for but are you pulling out a 1 time doc lie to make it out of this round of voting or what. why reveal that right now

Probably bullet proof vest

my home site used to play 240hr days 72ish hour nights. Was a lot of fun. Post counts were never insane though. It's not like people thread camped for 10 IRL days straight just hyperposting

Used to play mafiascum which was like 14 days long day phases. It was such a drag I needed to play five games at once so I wouldn't grow bored and forget I am playing a game.

Bruh... This is my current state on day 2

Should be noted for context, I think, that I stopped reading Guillo's posts a long time ago. I skim and scan now and then but otherwise ignore them. I find them too performative, wildly speculative, and in general simply unhelpful to my own solving process, as bad as it may be on its own. So I actually only saw this via Alexa quoting it and asking about it.

I believe if you two were wolves together would be doing a better job at distancing so this is not it. Are you two scum from different factions? @ilario @alexa

It's actually not as pingy when I read it again now, but at the time this felt like needless fear-mongering. Like, I get his follow-up argument about 3P semantically counting as 'scum', but Guillo is dipping from overly performative into unecessary speculation with the purpose of...I mean, I don't know a towny purpose for this, actually. But I guess then again I don't know a towny purpose for any of Guillo's persona. Anyway, it pinged me at the time because Guillo is notorious for his high mech games, and I can't believe he'd try to push the narrative of multiball in a game that is clearly not.

But Guillo is performative (ofc), and seemingly being deliberately contrarian. It feels like he's playing his own game in his own thread when he posts. He is figuratively shouting about his wild theories but none of his words actually have much follow up to them, and certainly no impact on the game, and he doesn't actually come across in his actions as being concerned about convincing us of his views. He is omgusing and targeting his accusers' credibility left and right.

^That's how I'd describe him in Spiderverse (my one experience of him being scum) and it's sort of how I'm ready to describe him here, caveat being, yeah, I'm not really reading his posts properly, because every time I start to I roll my eyes so far into the back of my head I go momentarily blind.

In a vacuum, it's a wolfy slot. Being 'weird' is not a saving grace for someone like Guillo, from my limited experience.

What's the flip tho? You left out the most important thing

Read the bit in ( ) afterwards - he was scum there.

Ah so. Got it.
Guillo is probably scum here. Possibly, no one town read him but no one wants to vote for him either

[Paopan]

Can we please keep Sig as one of our 4?

That nutella shot was gross and now he's basically ghosted us since.

I don't mind policying him. sabie, on the other hand, I think has somewhat helped town with her shot.

Thanks for this. Now I'm wanting to flip sabie more and save sig

[Paopan]

brb 1h

[Belzy]

Oh wait... Sabie, c4 Sig dropped... what? 112, Guillo, TSP increased?

I'm getting more confident than before that we got wolves inside this pool

And who are like town or wolves bases on these motions?

[Porscha]

Also I'm not taking responsibility if we end up lynching the town nightvig as I opposed to it

Let's just flip the town nightvig already

huh?

[Belzy]

Can we please keep Sig as one of our 4?

That nutella shot was gross and now he's basically ghosted us since.

I don't mind policying him. sabie, on the other hand, I think has somewhat helped town with her shot.

Thanks for this. Now I'm wanting to flip sabie more and save sig

I am not following.

[Justplayingitcool]

do i dare believe that derp

I mean she's town anyway

Im talking about guil not knowing about poetry

Oh.

I can believe it but the problem with so many derps like this is why is that even an alignment derp?

Because you would assume the wolves discuss poetry on a thursday afternoon with tea

[Belzy]

do i dare believe that derp

I mean she's town anyway

Im talking about guil not knowing about poetry

Oh.

I can believe it but the problem with so many derps like this is why is that even an alignment derp?

Because you would assume the wolves discuss poetry on a thursday afternoon with tea

Sounds lovely irl tbh

[hollowkatt]

I'm Doctor Mc Shooty BPVFace

I dunno what BPV stands for but are you pulling out a 1 time doc lie to make it out of this round of voting or what. why reveal that right now

I'm not pulling out anything to make it out, and revealing it when I'm guaranteed to die here is because it's funny as fuck to me.

[Justplayingitcool]

Anyway, as dya pointed out, guillo is probably the type to fake derps so im not gonna read into it

[Porscha]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

I like this list as I feel a lot of mac/tsp/sloonei interactions have been happening but I also dont think highly of pao atm (however I am a terrible read of them fwiw sooooo take it with a grain of salt I guess)
I also can't really verbalize why I don't feel great about 112, call it gut
I still think decent chance dya is wolf and took marmot shot to confirm themselves as town and I dont feel like they have had a ton of towny reads in my eyes since then to disprove that.
I am more on the fence about mac and sloonei but iirc mac was shielding sloonei earlier so idk maybe that interaction has something there since we've seen dizzy protect marmot

[dyachei]

guillo just thinks im a wolf because I called him one for focusing on 3p

[Belzy]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

I like this list as I feel a lot of mac/tsp/sloonei interactions have been happening but I also dont think highly of pao atm (however I am a terrible read of them fwiw sooooo take it with a grain of salt I guess)
I also can't really verbalize why I don't feel great about 112, call it gut
I still think decent chance dya is wolf and took marmot shot to confirm themselves as town and I dont feel like they have had a ton of towny reads in my eyes since then to disprove that.
I am more on the fence about mac and sloonei but iirc mac was shielding sloonei earlier so idk maybe that interaction has something there since we've seen dizzy protect marmot

But why as mafia shoot mafia when there is also 3p

[c4e5g3d5]

I started reading this page and regretted it immediately

[Justplayingitcool]

I extremely doubt dya is the type to shoot their partner ice cold like that.

Occams razor says dya is not mafia

[Belzy]

@ilario why are you only voting for Guillotine?

[112]

why is alexa voting for me?

[112]

Oh wait... Sabie, c4 Sig dropped... what? 112, Guillo, TSP increased?

I'm getting more confident than before that we got wolves inside this pool

wolfy post

[112]

yeah i actually think paopon is wolfing after reading this whole page

[Belzy]

Most are mia, a bunch say the might be back right bedore eod. Another eod madness. No orchestrated town. We are doomed. And mafia decides ties lol

[alexa]

why is alexa voting for me?

i'm voting you for two reasons

1. you are right on the outskirts of my POE and i believe there's deeper wolves

2. the case wilgy wrote reminded me of that earlier comment you'd made on an interaction between me/dizzy that should've been NAI. they also brought up some points about how you shouldn't be cleared for your pushes as they could've easily been distancing that registered w/me

also i have a meeting in 2 minutes and may not be here for EOD

[alexa]

i might vote sabie over 112 but i don't want to kill wilgy anymore

[alexa]

switching to sabie in case i can't be back for EOD

[DrWilgy]

Hollowkatt ISO

Hi, my name is DrWilgy, and I am most definitely a doctor.

Hi Marmot, my name is DrWigly, and I am most definitely a doctor.

Didn't realize this was a thing. You need to be stopped.

Votes Falcon. Seems RVS to me.

anyways, quick reads:

townies
alexa
guillotina
seanzie
hk
Radish
C4

outed wolf:
falcon b/c he can't get with the humor

Unsubstantiated Player Soup. Sticking to the RVS Falcon Wolf.

Desires to policy on LP.

Explains that Seanzie is a real TR.

Alison TR.

SR on LP. Interesting progression from LP being meme policy into an actual SR. I can read this as towny if the Policy actually had some gut vibes in there that evolved into an actual read.

Goes out of their way to argue Alexa's scumrange w/ilario.

Day passes Marmot.

Adds Alexa and C4 to Phil&G's towncore request in spite of the previous comment towards ilario.

I'd windmill slam dizzy and mac into my wolf pile b/c they make wolf chat fun

I like how ender and dizzy have played the last page or two, guillo hard claiming night vig is nai for him but his attitude reads town to me.

HK and Dizzy were teammates.

I'm going to have to stop there because I have like an hour left before eod and I'd rather catch up on what's going on.

[Guillotine]

guillo just thinks im a wolf because I called him one for focusing on 3p

No. That’s not it. I think you are a wolf because because you make sense in a world where Phil, Marmot, Tony and 112 were all picked by a Captain, i think you are a wolf because you are in your wolf meta, where you slank and try to use your clout as an influential player of this community to opportunistically push on players you perceive as LHF, i wolf read you because the other group of players whom i think are scum with you have barely interacted with you and when they have, it’s been insignificantly unimportant and I wolf read you because you used the word “focusing” on 3P hunting, when at the time it was the first time i brought it up and before me, others have and I have not seen you pushing thrm for it, which means you were looking for a reason to scum read me.

[DrWilgy]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

[sabie12]

I'm home from work back for EoD. I have 2 votes left trying to figure out what the best option is here.

[DrWilgy]

Further. Someone tell me WHY 112 isn't a wolf. I think after reviewing that slot, I can confidently vote there (even more confidently than sig if that's saying something).

[Belzy]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

You should decide yourself.

[Guillotine]

Im not voting MrWilgy now

[DrWilgy]

I'm home from work back for EoD. I have 2 votes left trying to figure out what the best option is here.

vibes

[LinearPoint]

i see Urist watching us and want to say maaaaaybe LinearPoint lol

I keep forgetting LinearPoint exists

Hi, yes, am reading had things to to and catching up.

[dyachei]

guillo just thinks im a wolf because I called him one for focusing on 3p

No. That’s not it. I think you are a wolf because because you make sense in a world where Phil, Marmot, Tony and 112 were all picked by a Captain, i think you are a wolf because you are in your wolf meta, where you slank and try to use your clout as an influential player of this community to opportunistically push on players you perceive as LHF, i wolf read you because the other group of players whom i think are scum with you have barely interacted with you and when they have, it’s been insignificantly unimportant and I wolf read you because you used the word “focusing” on 3P hunting, when at the time it was the first time i brought it up and before me, others have and I have not seen you pushing thrm for it, which means you were looking for a reason to scum read me.

no, i;m in my slank meta, which i have done as all alignments. And I've explained why on multiple occasions (but I take it you haven't read the whole thread). I've explained my reads and they're getting ignored. I was asked what nutella was for instance, and I said town and why and sig fucking shot her anyway.

because other people aren't sitting there saying hunting 3p is just as important as killing wolves. You're wrong. it absolutely isnt as important. there's a chance 3p can win with town. there's no chance of that with wolves

ask sloonei and MR if I was like this in chmaps finale 2 years ago

[DrWilgy]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

You should decide yourself.

Alright, I'm trying, but don't have time to process all the needed information, this ask was to build that information, not to be smacked down.

Belzy, thoughts on C4, Guillo, and TSP specifically in a clear and concise message please?

[c4e5g3d5]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack

[dyachei]

and you're getting stuck on the word focus when you had an entire post talking about the numbers and why more than 1 person was 3p. that counts as focusing on it

[Justplayingitcool]

You should all kill sig imo

[LinearPoint]

At the risk of reigniting more pointless conversation: "3P faction" is very distinctly not "a second mafia team."

Right but it is also very distinctly not town.

That's not true.
Fallout Mafia was ran this year which featured 3rd party factions that had town-like wincons.