[TOWN WIN] Lost in Space Mafia

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

[MacDougall]

I can't help it man Wilgy being a cowboy and still making reads is effectively a town claim lol.

[MacDougall]

Wilgy as mafia cowboy - Endless roleplay and hey there lil partners with baseless votes.
WIlgy as town cowboy - Reads and hey there lil partners with actual reasoning to his votes.

[MacDougall]

Also I think Creature is quite in his wolf meta. Re-reading EOD and he was very awkward and spewy.

And Wilgy has been pushing him since the start of the game so they are unlikely t/w.

[MacDougall]

*likely

[Seanzie]

@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

Fext, not Wilgy

[Seanzie]

I'm going for a run. Someone make Mac sweat about his Fext treatment while I'm making myself sweat.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

Fext, not Wilgy

I didn't claim Fext was obvtown or even really townread Fext? I waivered a lil bit sure but how is how I treated Fext anything like how you describe the way you treated Gavial?

[MacDougall]

I'm going for a run. Someone make Mac sweat about his Fext treatment while I'm making myself sweat.

Well you know that's not gonna happen so gg.

[Seanzie]

@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

Fext, not Wilgy

I didn't claim Fext was obvtown or even really townread Fext? I waivered a lil bit sure but how is how I treated Fext anything like how you describe the way you treated Gavial?

Not the exact same, but I feel like there became a point where you felt like you couldn't justifiably push him anymore, but kept your vote on him and just kinda dipped.

[MacDougall]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

[Creature]

Oh so it's Alison and Mac

[NotAnAxehole]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

[MacDougall]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

Well I clearly didn't make the correct play in hindsight did I Einstein.

[MacDougall]

Oh so it's Alison and Mac

Damn is it that obvious?

Host, rerand plz.

[Creature]

Damn though

I was trusting Alison, Mac and Seanzie had good reads yesterday.

[MacDougall]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.

[NotAnAxehole]

Damn though

I was trusting Alison, Mac and Seanzie had good reads yesterday.

Their top town read was voting against them in a game with 7 town.

[Creature]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Just realized I'm the only one not voting anyone. So where should I vote?

Fext

Why?

We're missing the important players

Vote Alison, TIE TIE TIE

but I don't want to lynch Alison

Meh

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

The Fext wagon strikes me more confidence than the Alison wagon

This progression is limp wristed in general. The initial objection to the Fext wagon and subsequent voting on it doesn't vibe as to what I expect from town Creature who generally tends to just vote where his heart lies. I've seen you yolo onto vanity wagons that have no chance of going over so you voting on Fext here is problematic for me given you had at best a null read on that slot. If anyone is partners with a wolf Alison it is you quite obviously. And if Alison is town then you were basically a TMI and pocketing machine day 1.

[MacDougall]

You remind me of the way I play slank wolf tbh.

[NotAnAxehole]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.

I don't know what there is left to say... An obv town player was axed on D1 of a game that has 2 miss-elims. The logic was that he was mafia with a polarized player that had one good game in which people didn't force anything alignment indicative out of him.

[NotAnAxehole]

Like, I'd love to provide you with more answers Mac, but how on earth do 2 experienced players go to town on some of the most polarized players in the game D1 and expect to not get called out?

[MacDougall]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.

I don't know what there is left to say... An obv town player was axed on D1 of a game that has 2 miss-elims. The logic was that he was mafia with a polarized player that had one good game in which people didn't force anything alignment indicative out of him.

I barely paid attention day 1 so you're really going to have to be verbose with me here.

[MacDougall]

Like, I'd love to provide you with more answers Mac, but how on earth do 2 experienced players go to town on some of the most polarized players in the game D1 and expect to not get called out?

What polarised player did I go to town on exactly?

[MacDougall]

If you're referring to Lime Coke I don't think I went to town on him?

Fext didn't strike me as a polarised player. They seemed like a skilled player that randed mafia in a foreign environment.

Where else is this supposed going to town?

[NotAnAxehole]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.

I don't know what there is left to say... An obv town player was axed on D1 of a game that has 2 miss-elims. The logic was that he was mafia with a polarized player that had one good game in which people didn't force anything alignment indicative out of him.

I barely paid attention day 1 so you're really going to have to be verbose with me here.

I don't think I do.

[MacDougall]

Well the way you are describing things is not painting a very clear picture for me. It's like trying to tell me the plot of episode 3 without telling me what happened in the first two episodes.

[NotAnAxehole]

Well the way you are describing things is not painting a very clear picture for me. It's like trying to tell me the plot of episode 3 without telling me what happened in the first two episodes.

Go read it, or take the L

[MacDougall]

Well the way you are describing things is not painting a very clear picture for me. It's like trying to tell me the plot of episode 3 without telling me what happened in the first two episodes.

Go read it, or take the L

Read what though? I'm not even sure that your description of what occurred is lining up with events because you're suggesting things that I know for a fact didn't happen and describing people in belittling ways that do not describe them.

[falcon45ca]

Damn though

I was trusting Alison, Mac and Seanzie had good reads yesterday.

Anyone else read this & think it's genuine?

[NotAnAxehole]

Damn though

I was trusting Alison, Mac and Seanzie had good reads yesterday.

Anyone else read this & think it's genuine?

It was basically impossible to think that given the wagons IMO

[MacDougall]

Damn though

[NotAnAxehole]

Well the way you are describing things is not painting a very clear picture for me. It's like trying to tell me the plot of episode 3 without telling me what happened in the first two episodes.

Go read it, or take the L

Read what though? I'm not even sure that your description of what occurred is lining up with events because you're suggesting things that I know for a fact didn't happen and describing people in belittling ways that do not describe them.

Polarized players are generally celebrated as being good town players, I'm not belittling anyone.

[NotAnAxehole]

I still think it's Alison / Mac though.

[Creature]

I still think it's Alison / Mac though.

Same

[Creature]

Mac is playing like he's getting a free wolf win

[MacDougall]

That is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean, Mac is straight-up lying through his teeth by saying he didn't read and also arguing that my explanation of what happened isn't reality.

Also, my thoughts on specific players being generally polarized are not unsupported and aren't something Mac should be balking at (even if he thinks it's a bit unfriendly).

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

I used to clear him for having a pulse. Now I don't.

That's about it.

Also, gamestate items:

as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC

stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped

Seanzie, myself and Mac are all projecting strong scumreads on Fext.

We are all well known for having accurate D1 reads and we can't all be wolves.

We should just throw Fext into the sun and then turbo LC if he flips mafia.

I should probably just stop interacting with Mac.

[MacDougall]

So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?

I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.

Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.

Can you please move to Fext though? If Fext is wolf, the wagons are in a perfect position for a save right now, and I really don't like that.

Also, LC seems more-or-less deflated at this point, which again strongly suggests LC/Fext. We just need to flip Fext. If that is wrong, we need to seriously re-evaluate, but if we don't flip Fext, tomorrow is going to be insanely unproductive.

Why is Seanzie getting a free ride when he was the captain of the Fext wagon and pushed the LC/Fext world actively?

[MacDougall]

I mean, Mac is straight-up lying through his teeth by saying he didn't read and also arguing that my explanation of what happened isn't reality.

Also, my thoughts on specific players being generally polarized are not unsupported and aren't something Mac should be balking at (even if he thinks it's a bit unfriendly).

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

I used to clear him for having a pulse. Now I don't.

That's about it.

Also, gamestate items:

as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC

stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped

Seanzie, myself and Mac are all projecting strong scumreads on Fext.

We are all well known for having accurate D1 reads and we can't all be wolves.

We should just throw Fext into the sun and then turbo LC if he flips mafia.

I should probably just stop interacting with Mac.

Lying requires memory. I make statements that I forget I made all the time. I know it sounds dumb but I have the memory of a 35 year old diabetic alcoholic.

[MacDougall]

I also forget opinions I had too lol.

Not sure how I manage to play mafia but here we are.

[NotAnAxehole]

So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?

I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.

Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.

Can you please move to Fext though? If Fext is wolf, the wagons are in a perfect position for a save right now, and I really don't like that.

Also, LC seems more-or-less deflated at this point, which again strongly suggests LC/Fext. We just need to flip Fext. If that is wrong, we need to seriously re-evaluate, but if we don't flip Fext, tomorrow is going to be insanely unproductive.

Why is Seanzie getting a free ride when he was the captain of the Fext wagon and pushed the LC/Fext world actively?

Listen, Seanzie doesn't need to get a free pass at LyLo, but when you have a player who gets the benefit of the doubt in every 1v1 because they're considered a strong player, when they're wrong on 2, you kill them... No questions asked. Also, Seanzie is known to have the occasional bad tunnel from what I know of his town game.

[MacDougall]

This game is probably just a big town L at this point so I'm gonna eat some breakfast, grab a coffee and start shitposting.

[Seanzie]

Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

I thought the reason you dipped was:

Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

Your activity and thread presence significantly changed after your openwolf post about Fext being obviously town. I think your thinking did too. I think you wolf!Seanzie ->town!Gavial'd, but saw that you could just not interfere and let me do your dirty work.

This is a serious question though. Do you understand why I strongly believe one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today?

Not at all. The point to mafia is to lynch wolves. Not towns.

Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).

It was obvious post game in Molly Maguires that everyone was shocked that I played a strong wolf game. He said he saw it, I believe it.

When Fext flips town then you better be going after Mac, otherwise you're just outing yourself even more.

frankly I'm going to do my damndest to get you lynched before I ever go over

but that's neither here nor there

Lol, *need towncred now!* *bus!*

ehhhhhhhhhhh

fr tho seanzie I saw you pinging me but saw no effort to ask questions or do anything that would help you get in my head

it was a few questions about what games I'd looked at and when with no change in your viewpoint or approach

seems incongruous with your insistence that I talk in realtime because literally none of those questions are things where my answer would change if I had time to think about and plan out an answer

townie words tbh

as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC

stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped

I don't know if you would have said another word about the lead wagon Fext if I wouldn't have pushed you (and everyone else) about it the next day after I woke up.

[MacDougall]

That is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[MacDougall]

I didn't even see your post and the first thing I did was comment on it.

I got busy = I couldn't camp and actually do much aside from shit out hot takes.

I left my vote there = I saw Alison post and thought sheeping her was fine. I missed the last 10 hours of the day because the EOD is 7am my time.

Feel free to chop me and make this upcoming town L more your fault than mine.

[Seanzie]

I didn't even see your post and the first thing I did was comment on it.

I got busy = I couldn't camp and actually do much aside from shit out hot takes.

I left my vote there = I saw Alison post and thought sheeping her was fine. I missed the last 10 hours of the day because the EOD is 7am my time.

Feel free to chop me and make this upcoming town L more your fault than mine.

I'll take the blame if I'm wrong.

There's a lot of the day left though. I'm not going to just sit here and hound you all day... well maybe, idk... we'll see, but anyways if you're town, do stuff. I have a hard time thinking that this whole "roll over and die" thing coming from one person casing you is genuine.

[MacDougall]

It's not one person casing me. It's half the game deciding I'm mafia because I took a shit on day 1. I'm probably spewed town from it from Creature tbh.

[Seanzie]

It's not one person casing me. It's half the game deciding I'm mafia because I took a shit on day 1. I'm probably spewed town from it from Creature tbh.

Who is half the game?