Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Announcement: there's another international holiday this weekend (AGAIN?) and I will be travelling (AGAIN!)

Instead of a longer night, we are doing a longer day this time. It won't be 72 hours, more like a little less than 70, so I can reset the day end to its originally intended slot.

Official time is 3 PM UTC+0 on January 1st. Or check the poll to see what that means for you (assuming you have forum timezone set correctly, if not, shame on you!)

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[MacDougall]

well I'm clear so that's good

[Guillotine]

If Marmot survives another night then we'll have to chop him because it is strange that the confirmed townie is not getting killed, a "confirmed" townie who happens to be the bloody town watcher. That never happens

[LinearPoint]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

[Guillotine]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

Why kill Gavial if you are mafia? Who said they'd kill Marmot?

Wait...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[LinearPoint]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

Why kill Gavial if you are mafia? Who said they'd kill Marmot?

Wait...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I was saying Gav was shot by Town.
Honestly if Marmot didn't watch Jack he's probably just Mafia.

[Guillotine]

That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

[Guillotine]

We got 70 hours to figure shit out. Noice! I need to get ready for work, I got graveyard shift today.

[MacDougall]

That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

Jack is spewed town by the nanook flip and probably had wolves voting him.

NAA is essentially outed by two wagons now.

[Guillotine]

Why is scum not killing clears or townies spewed by Mafia?

If Gavial was killed by scum... holy shit, checking his ISO is gonna be hell

[MacDougall]

dolby/naa/drwilgy

[Guillotine]

That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

Jack is spewed town by the nanook flip and probably had wolves voting him.

NAA is essentially outed by two wagons now.

Explain it to me like I'm a 10 years old please

[MacDougall]

That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

Jack is spewed town by the nanook flip and probably had wolves voting him.

NAA is essentially outed by two wagons now.

Explain it to me like I'm a 10 years old please

Nanook flipped mafia
This spews the mafia team as having tried to save Sabie
It probably means at least one more mafia voted Seanzie
NAA refused to push Nanook and was a bad Seanzie voter
Dolby voted on both counterwagons
NAA has been hard pushing Dolby
There is always at least one between them
The mafia probably had multiple people voting Jack much like they did Seanzie
Probably Dolby/Nanook and Wilgy.

[LinearPoint]

Like I said I think TSP said he was shooting Gav, so like I don't think Mafia killed Gav.
I mean I guess Mafia could ahve thinking that Nanook spewed him as Town, but tbh I stilll would think Nanook was trying ot distance from Gav.

[LinearPoint]

Any chance the Mafia kill actually just got redirected by a Pyro?

[LinearPoint]

I guess we're also assuming both were not Sniper and Spy kills respectively.

[sig]

I guess we're also assuming both were not Sniper and Spy kills respectively.

Ugh, this is why I hate role madness didn"t even think of that

[MacDougall]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

[LinearPoint]

That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

Jack is spewed town by the nanook flip and probably had wolves voting him.

NAA is essentially outed by two wagons now.

Explain it to me like I'm a 10 years old please

Nanook flipped mafia
This spews the mafia team as having tried to save Sabie
It probably means at least one more mafia voted Seanzie
NAA refused to push Nanook and was a bad Seanzie voter
Dolby voted on both counterwagons
NAA has been hard pushing Dolby
There is always at least one between them
The mafia probably had multiple people voting Jack much like they did Seanzie
Probably Dolby/Nanook and Wilgy.

This is frankly probably correct,l but I don't think NAA is that obvious.

[sig]

Also yay re vote, sucks two people got killed but like one or both could've been a wasted day vote so not the end of the world.

I plan to review the lead up to nanook vote while it was a run away wagon by the end there were some iffy periods of it and also I'll probably read over his posts at some point.

We've kinda gotten to the point where I'm going to pretend to be a bit more series, but like only a bit

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA is town, LinearPoint is correct. @LinearPoint remind me to mind meld with you at some point today.

[NotAnAxehole]

I forgot to submit my action.

[sig]

So looking back, I think Linearpoint and Mac are >rand!mafia, but that second one might be mildly fueled by OMGUS.

why?

Linearpoint's first post is the sort of first post that I like to make as scum (I always find the first post the hardest, after getting the first post out of the way, it is much easier to continue. Sometimes I even specifically try to "first" specifically to get the first post out of the way), and while this is not scum-indicative necessarily, it is scum-compatible. Then as others have mentioned, sometimes scum likes to mech-talk to hide, and their posts in regards to my team-claim suggestion feel the most likely to be coming from scum trying to look helpful in a mech discussion.

As for Mac, he called me mafia, so he must be mafia.

Okay I'm not sure I see it, buuuuuuut not really being series yet.

Mac i'll be able to tell if he's mafia by like day 2/3. Though if i get NK'd before then he 100% should be lynched since always kills me when he's mafia.

@sig so isMac still mafia or nah?

I'd say no, but if he bothers me i'mma call him mafia again just out of spite.

The caveat with this is if we don't hit mafia for awhile and he gets too series/into it chances are he's deep wolf mafia and should be voted at like final 6 or so.

Sean and Falcon, you should start a town core. You’re both town. I’m rooting for you!

The fuck is this? Why do you post like you shouldnt be in the towncore of those you townread?

I’m not planning to be very active at the start of this.

Thread is quiet and I want the game to have a good start though.

Also, think I’ll exchange my Falcon for Guillo right now.

Sean is town. I know him, this be town.
Tony is town cause I can tell.
Guillo is probably town and Sean thinks so too so that’s good. Work together \o/
Lime is town because he’s cute and also real reasons.

^I think this is a nice town core to start with.
(Dis)agreements?

Does sean usually come out so aggressive in setting out reads? Ik i've played with him before but can't recall much.

Can"t agree on Lime, need some pics first or are we saying like the vibe/profile pic is cute? I could see vibe, but not profile pic. i mean don't get me wrong it isn't bad just not cute ya feel me?

Also as i just previously mentioned disagree re town core this soon, but as long as ppl don't blindly sheep and will move players out of town core, it isn't the end of the world to have one.

This could also be a reason why Dyslexicon died. Scum being afraid of a townie forming town cores. So far Dyslexicon had been right on me and Seanzie.

Sig showing reluctance to people forming towncore looks like scum being afraid of a leader forming towncore.

I mean I'd disagree since it's me and really i'd stand by my D1 thoughts there. Obviously at this point with multiple flips and some meat I don't have an issue with a town core, but day 1/0 is way to early

[sig]

I forgot to submit my action.

[LinearPoint]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

[NotAnAxehole]

I forgot to submit my action.

I was distracted by Mac's good looks and video mafia (which I nearly forgot about).

[Lime Coke]

I blocked Gavial last night FYI.

Wasn't sure if the votes fucked over his shot or not I didn't pay enough attention so I might've wasted a night, but I didn't want to screw town over by messing someone up.

[NotAnAxehole]

I blocked Gavial last night FYI.

Wasn't sure if the votes fucked over his shot or not I didn't pay enough attention so I might've wasted a night, but I didn't want to screw town over by messing someone up.

He was blocked, but I get u, we don't wanna sac Marmot for no reason.

[NotAnAxehole]

That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

Jack is spewed town by the nanook flip and probably had wolves voting him.

NAA is essentially outed by two wagons now.

I sheep Marmot, like a good boy.

[sig]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

So my only thought here is night actions either totally green clears dolby or probably makes him solid mafia.

My thought process is either
1. He's civ and blocked nanook which even if that isn't what stopped the kill is a very good look.
2. He knowingly planned to target Nanook, mafia had nanook do nothing, kill wise, then claimed it for credit.
3. Didn't target Nanook at all and just claimed it.

Now Nanook already had some pressure at this point, but he wasn't 100% going to be voted so would a mafia! Dolby risk that for some iffy town credit or is that coming from an honest place?

I haven't played enough with Dolby to get a good read on them from that perspective, but would appreciate people weighing in.

[Marmot]

If Marmot survives another night then we'll have to chop him because it is strange that the confirmed townie is not getting killed, a "confirmed" townie who happens to be the bloody town watcher. That never happens

jack was also a town watcher...

[Marmot]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

[LinearPoint]

I'm honestly not a fan of just assuming Dolby and Marmot are scum who bussed using their role.
If they live a long time, OK maybe, but for now I want to steer clear of them.

[LinearPoint]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

But I thought you said you didn't watch N2.

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

What it means?

[sig]

If Marmot survives another night then we'll have to chop him because it is strange that the confirmed townie is not getting killed, a "confirmed" townie who happens to be the bloody town watcher. That never happens

jack was also a town watcher...

Also we've got two medics, two role redirectors, and as he said another watcher.

Already had one night of no kills so I'd think mafia would avoid likely watch/protect targets.

[NotAnAxehole]

Who watches the watchmen?

[Marmot]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

But I thought you said you didn't watch N2.

I was intentionally obtuse about what I did.

I actually watched you because you were my strongest TR at that point and no one visited you.

[Marmot]

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

What it means?

It means that Jack couldn't have his action(s) blocked/etc

[sig]

I'm honestly not a fan of just assuming Dolby and Marmot are scum who bussed using their role.
If they live a long time, OK maybe, but for now I want to steer clear of them.

Agreed especially re Marmot, wanted to throw the Dolby thing out, but they've been a low level town read of mine for awhile so I'd not wanna vote them unless people agree it's a likely move for them meta wise.

[NotAnAxehole]

Tbh I was pretty surprised at Marmot's CFD attempt yesterday

[Marmot]

My vote didn't end up on Nanook in the end, but I fully supported yeeting him over jack fwiw.

Also, it's fairly obvious why Jack died. He and nanook were blocked N2. No kill happened. We in some ways had a 50/50 on those two players, and nanook was a hit. Jack was pretty much confirmed town as a result.

Also, people have been pushing for protectives to be on me, so it's clear jack didn't receive that attention

[Marmot]

Tbh I was pretty surprised at Marmot's CFD attempt yesterday

Who did I CFD again? I don't remember.

[NotAnAxehole]

My vote didn't end up on Nanook in the end, but I fully supported yeeting him over jack fwiw.

Also, it's fairly obvious why Jack died. He and nanook were blocked N2. No kill happened. We in some ways had a 50/50 on those two players, and nanook was a hit. Jack was pretty much confirmed town as a result.

Also, people have been pushing for protectives to be on me, so it's clear jack didn't receive that attention

Nanook's probably didn't kill though being soldier right?

[NotAnAxehole]

Tbh I was pretty surprised at Marmot's CFD attempt yesterday

Who did I CFD again? I don't remember.

The fillet mignon

[LinearPoint]

Honestly I'm thinking maybe Guillotine is Mafia.
He was initially on the lynch Jack train before I came in and redirected the train to Nanook.
I think the train was LC who blocked Jack, Guillotine, Gav, and someone else I can't remember.

[LinearPoint]

Or actually it might be just LC. I don't think I agree with his block last night. It sounds more like a lie honestly since Gav just wasn't a real roleblock target.

[Marmot]

Honestly I'm thinking maybe Guillotine is Mafia.
He was initially on the lynch Jack train before I came in and redirected the train to Nanook.
I think the train was LC who blocked Jack, Guillotine, Gav, and someone else I can't remember.

I think I was on Jack at one point, but I don't think you can fault anyone being on Jack before the block on nanook was claimed.

Who blocked nanook again?

[NotAnAxehole]

Honestly I'm thinking maybe Guillotine is Mafia.
He was initially on the lynch Jack train before I came in and redirected the train to Nanook.
I think the train was LC who blocked Jack, Guillotine, Gav, and someone else I can't remember.

I think - and I'm going to blow macdaddy's mind with this - mafia team are players Nanook didn't care to play with. I'm way too fun, and Nanook is a big fan of mine, follows me on instagram and metaverse.