Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

[MafiaMenace]

oh whatever
[VOTE: MightyQ] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

[MafiaMenace]

i have no motivation to play this game so im just gonna cut my catchup short and just post it half complete
Catch-up:
otherwise knows as: (please end my suffering)

Spoiler: show

Ruri:
Nothing AI.

Paopan:

Paopan might die Day/Night 1.

I'm going to bang my head if that happens :haha: :haha:

this is townie coming off of their entrance

Someone told me you're heaps good at mafia so I expect you to single handedly find a mafia d1 or I am going to kill you d2.

Bububu-but I'm new :(

But okay, I'll accept. I'll find a single Mafia in day 1 and call them out.

If I turned out to be right. You okay with becoming my slave vote on the entirety of this game? okay?

I'm expecting good things coming on my way. :flamed:

townie tone
confidence seems very real and not at all forced

I started playing around May, this year. Have played 4 games (1T, 3S) in total.

unlucky LOL

Captain Falcon:
Nothing AI.

Dr. Wilgy

alexa is volume-cleared for Day 1.

I will continue to post random thoughtless reads so as to escape the depths of the non-posting scummy people.

Marmot is also volume cleared.

initially had the same thought as Lime Coke on SOA (them asking about Mac when Mac had 2 votes in RVS and hadn't posted) being wolfy, but i think from what i saw of the fleabag game, they're a good enough wolf to know to avoid those "classic wolf tells" and the way he began trying to sort through the game after seemed decent - i had one "performative" ping on an aggressive comment they made about the Mac comment not being wolfy, but besides that i would lean on him being a villager with the caveat that they have a strong wolf game (at least i think this from how much i knew ilario townread them in fleabag) so should be consistently evaluated.

There is a single period in this post and I can only make it through about 1/3 before losing track of the hell is going on.

Alexa is wolf.

these posts feel icky
can definitely see this being wilgy doing the tried and true method of being charismatic as wolf, thus making it unlikely for people to be inclined to vote you

Macdongle:

I pity the mafia here

is it strange to gleam a guttown read off of the tone here?

Hello everyone.

I'm Paopan, and this is my first time playing in this site.

Would be sad if I were going to die day/night 1 hi hi hi.

Someone told me you're heaps good at mafia so I expect you to single handedly find a mafia d1 or I am going to kill you d2.

dont they only have 4 games, one of which being town

Son of Anarchy:

I’m gonna call Michelle town, alright? I’m likin’ the energy here

Michelle
Lime Coke
NAA

Alexa
MafiaMenace
Scotty

We’re here right now

I think imma go through this game makin' mostly soul reads. Is that cool?

while this annoys the ever loving shit out of me i think this reads mostly town
its very rare that mafia just shoots out unexplained reads so its more likely that this is town than wolf

@Lime Coke no chance. I only asked 'cause there was two votes on Dong and I thought there might be a reason people were suspectin' him for not postin'. I thoroughly reject your reasons for sayin' I could be mafia.

caution seems genuine

MightyQ:

I solemnly swear I'm up to only good

Sure I buy it. What sort of good?

The greater good

little bit of an awkward entrance but i can also see town!mighty that is new to this site being awkward i guess
still feels weird

I an generally curious how people are reading others, I would appreciate advice on tips for when I ki- help others in game

meh
alot more of this conversational nonsense in his iso sort of like hes refraining from making a read
he just feels all around awkward, i might even be willing to stake a bet on this being wolf

Marmot

I have no thoughts on Dong, except it would be amusing to off him Day 1.

townie tone

initially had the same thought as Lime Coke on SOA (them asking about Mac when Mac had 2 votes in RVS and hadn't posted) being wolfy, but i think from what i saw of the fleabag game, they're a good enough wolf to know to avoid those "classic wolf tells" and the way he began trying to sort through the game after seemed decent - i had one "performative" ping on an aggressive comment they made about the Mac comment not being wolfy, but besides that i would lean on him being a villager with the caveat that they have a strong wolf game (at least i think this from how much i knew ilario townread them in fleabag) so should be consistently evaluated.

There is a single period in this post and I can only make it through about 1/3 before losing track of the hell is going on.

Alexa is wolf.

Usually when I can't make it through long posts, I just skip em instead of stating random scumreads on em.

yup, when i play games with super analyzing players that make massive walls i just dont read them and act like i do /shrug
probably something AI in them but i couldnt care less lol

Why are you defending Wilgy, Michelle? I don't think Wilgy's done enough to warrant any defense.

this post shows genuine solving intent, i think this reads town

LinearPoint:

Here I thought I'd come in and be late to the party since I had lots of running around to do, but guess not many have gotten on yet.

Any thoughts on those that have posted?

Also hi, nice to meet you. Take a lollipop and pass it down

I'm mostly looking at how people post currently to get a feel of their playstyle/personality. At this point the only thing so far that has stood out was MM's last post switching their opinion on notanaxehole's post.
I presume it to be a meme post since I find the idea that susing someone for making a comment about the moderator to be couldn't possibly be a real read, but it feels forced to me and I can't tell right now if they are actually just memeing or feeling pressured to make a contribution of some sort.

i am dead serious

Honestly the post isn't out of line with the rest of their posts so it is nothing I consider noteworthy.

all of their posts seem a little fake and forced really so im not surprised :beer:

So far I just have 3 people I'm leaning on scum right now.
That being MM slightly because their vote on NAA just felt forced.
NAA because I went over their posts and I don't like that of their 26 posts, currently the 3rd highest post count, there isn't a single post actually pertaining to the game.
Last is SoA for the same reasons as NAA though to a much lesser extent. I just don't like their approach to gut reading people without ever explaining the reads given. The main reason I say to a lesser extent is because they have fewer posts and have actually given some degree of an opinion though I hope they eventually elaborate a bit.

Most other players I'm currently neutral to town leaning on. I was a tad worried of Scotty at first because it seemed to me at first they were giving off a bit of a suckup kind of vibe to get on my good side early, but their last few posts disproved that notion and I find them to be among the stronger of the townleans I currently have. I also like what I am seeing from LC, Michelle, and Alexa to the point I'm probably not going to vote them today.
Like I said, most others haven't done enough contribution either way to influence me.

Currently thinking between NAA and MM. A bit more towards MM since if they are Mafia I would put more stock into the possibility of their odd interaction with NAA as a busing attempt after they realized that saying they are town for pretty shaky reasons was sus where I find the other way around of NAA flipping Mafia being less telling of MM's role.

i guess i understand people seeing my vote as forced, ive learned im really shit at expressing my reads without somehow coming across as disingenuous but where did you get w/w?
busing naa for what?

Honestly there has not been too many players who have come in very active off the bat.
The fact that michelle, Alexa, and LC are all active and contributing is enough for me to at least put them as not a priority lynch.
I prefer checking active players over passive players as investigative roles so a Mafia hiding among them is not something I am too concerned with at the moment.

As for the suckup thing it was mostly from the fact that you without hesitation imediatly jumped on my early assessment of MM's vote being forced saying you agreed with it.
Things like that tend to put me on watch for someone especially since I'm new to this site so I was keeping the possibility of you trying to win over a newbie in the back of my mind.

when a game has like 17 players but only 5 of them are consistently posting its generally safe to assume wolves are in the inactives

Michelle:

Note for everyone who wants to help me, please copy paste the VC in a spoiler to have it from time to time

aight you town.

I don’t recall…have we played a game where you were scum? For some reason I keep thinking Deck mafia you were scum when you kept posting these helpful VC time stamps

I don't remember, but I know i posted VCs as scum, so this is NAI :shrug:

a personal tell of mine is that i generally like those who disagree with a townread on them by calling the post in question nai
i think those that are most critical of themselves would be a townie

Scotty what's your opinion about the way Alexa TR you?

I pity the mafia here

Hi Mac, wassup?

i sort of like the way michelle tries to hear from everyone, i feel like that portrays a pretty villagery mindset

i want to say michelle is just sort of townie for the amount of effort theyve pumped in, and i will, and i am

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

I mean I've caught wolves in 2 posts before. 👀

I thought i caught wolf Wilgy few games and he kept flipping green. Including the game where he posted what's in my sig

I will reread his Iso and come back to you

ive never really been a fan of paranoia defenses as they leave a bad taste in my mouth when i see them
"hey no guys dont vote this player, my scumreads on them have been wrong on them have been wrong alot in the past so they arent nescessarily scum guys!" like wat

sig:
Nothing AI, or at all for that matter.

NotAnAxeHole:
i outright refuse to iso them as nothing in it can be seen as content
they have 52 posts and all of it is fluff which as i said previously makes me want to believe theyre some sort of jester player with how much theyre clogging the game

()
(paopan, marmot, soa, michelle)
(naa, mac, linearpoint, ruri, falcon, sig)
(mighty, wilgy)
()

[NotAnAxehole]

By the way, MafiaMenace has been lock town for a while now, if anyone hasn't seen it yet, don't ask me to point it out, because I won't. There are actually 2 things to observe.

[MacDougall]

@alexa

I feel like you and I are going to have to work with each other more in this game because some people are going to be during this. Seeing how we're kind of reading things in the same way already it shouldn't be that hard.

bahahahaha

[MacDougall]

@alexa

I feel like you and I are going to have to work with each other more in this game because some people are going to be during this. Seeing how we're kind of reading things in the same way already it shouldn't be that hard.

@Lime Coke 8/17 of the game hasn't posted yet so i can't exactly sort through the game yet sadly, but i'm happy to work with you and bounce reads off of you as well

either lime is trying to pocket you or just gently placed himself immediately into yours... we shall see

[MacDougall]

By the way, MafiaMenace has been lock town for a while now, if anyone hasn't seen it yet, don't ask me to point it out, because I won't. There are actually 2 things to observe.

1 rly... their posts

[NotAnAxehole]

By the way, MafiaMenace has been lock town for a while now, if anyone hasn't seen it yet, don't ask me to point it out, because I won't. There are actually 2 things to observe.

1 rly... their posts

I mean, sure

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm just pointing out that it's not some bullshit read like "isn't posting about the game" or "posting a lot" or "low post" or "tone"

[MacDougall]

it's not a bs read at all its just calling an inno child for what they are

[Lime Coke]

@alexa

I feel like you and I are going to have to work with each other more in this game because some people are going to be during this. Seeing how we're kind of reading things in the same way already it shouldn't be that hard.

@Lime Coke 8/17 of the game hasn't posted yet so i can't exactly sort through the game yet sadly, but i'm happy to work with you and bounce reads off of you as well

either lime is trying to pocket you or just gently placed himself immediately into yours... we shall see

Or we're both just town.

[MacDougall]

@Scotty which day do you want me to get you killed this game?

It would be an honor to be NK’d tonight I guess, if you’re friends with a bigger, furry-er dog than I and can arrange it



But in all seriousness, wat are you asking here

Looks like a slip

I don’t think NAA is one to make a slip like this, nor do I see how he slipped?

About having killing power

no it doesn't what an awful read

[MacDougall]

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[MacDougall]

free pelt get ya free pelt

[MacDougall]

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

I mean I've caught wolves in 2 posts before.

I thought i caught wolf Wilgy few games and he kept flipping green. Including the game where he posted what's in my sig

I will reread his Iso and come back to you

What would your other options be then? I'm townreading Alexa so I'm not going there.

Good Call

lmao I know this is sarcastic and I know you won't admit that it is

[NotAnAxehole]

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

I mean I've caught wolves in 2 posts before.

I thought i caught wolf Wilgy few games and he kept flipping green. Including the game where he posted what's in my sig

I will reread his Iso and come back to you

What would your other options be then? I'm townreading Alexa so I'm not going there.

Good Call

lmao I know this is sarcastic and I know you won't admit that it is

OK, I admit to gas lighting Scotty for no reason at all, but I swear that I have used no sarcasm in this here thread.

[MacDougall]

there are 2 to 3 mafia between axe, LC, Alexa and Michelle. The trick is to figure out who the noob/s is/are.

Michelle/Axe probs not a team and LC/Alexa probs not.

It's probably Alexa/Axe. Mostly because you can't spell Alexa without Axe.

Maybe Michelle and Alexa but I feel like Axe is obvious mafia for his dealing with LC who he spewed town here.

So I guess Michelle is maybe town. But man what a bad read. Sometimes they can be right too I suppose.

That said nya!

[VOTE: Notanaxehole] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Gavial if you don't alphabetise the poll d2 onwards I'm getting myself modkilled on purpose.

[NotAnAxehole]

there are 2 to 3 mafia between axe, LC, Alexa and Michelle. The trick is to figure out who the noob/s is/are.

Michelle/Axe probs not a team and LC/Alexa probs not.

It's probably Alexa/Axe. Mostly because you can't spell Alexa without Axe.

Maybe Michelle and Alexa but I feel like Axe is obvious mafia for his dealing with LC who he spewed town here.

So I guess Michelle is maybe town. But man what a bad read. Sometimes they can be right too I suppose.

That said nya!

[VOTE: Notanaxehole] aubergine

[MacDougall]

FYI I am 2 wins from equaling Epi for all time Syndicate wins so town better try hard in this game or imma poop on the floor.

[MacDougall]

there are 2 to 3 mafia between axe, LC, Alexa and Michelle. The trick is to figure out who the noob/s is/are.

Michelle/Axe probs not a team and LC/Alexa probs not.

It's probably Alexa/Axe. Mostly because you can't spell Alexa without Axe.

Maybe Michelle and Alexa but I feel like Axe is obvious mafia for his dealing with LC who he spewed town here.

So I guess Michelle is maybe town. But man what a bad read. Sometimes they can be right too I suppose.

That said nya!

[VOTE: Notanaxehole] aubergine

the subtext of this read is complimentary towards you btw

[NotAnAxehole]

FYI I am 2 wins from equaling Epi for all time Syndicate wins so town better try hard in this game or imma poop on the floor.

Hey, it's your office, you can do what you want with any of your bodily features.

[MacDougall]

Lime Coke your job is to try really hard not to cost town the game with your simping.

[NotAnAxehole]

there are 2 to 3 mafia between axe, LC, Alexa and Michelle. The trick is to figure out who the noob/s is/are.

Michelle/Axe probs not a team and LC/Alexa probs not.

It's probably Alexa/Axe. Mostly because you can't spell Alexa without Axe.

Maybe Michelle and Alexa but I feel like Axe is obvious mafia for his dealing with LC who he spewed town here.

So I guess Michelle is maybe town. But man what a bad read. Sometimes they can be right too I suppose.

That said nya!

[VOTE: Notanaxehole] aubergine

the subtext of this read is complimentary towards you btw

I'm not worried, you'll last minute CFD onto some poor schmuck

[MacDougall]

there are 2 to 3 mafia between axe, LC, Alexa and Michelle. The trick is to figure out who the noob/s is/are.

Michelle/Axe probs not a team and LC/Alexa probs not.

It's probably Alexa/Axe. Mostly because you can't spell Alexa without Axe.

Maybe Michelle and Alexa but I feel like Axe is obvious mafia for his dealing with LC who he spewed town here.

So I guess Michelle is maybe town. But man what a bad read. Sometimes they can be right too I suppose.

That said nya!

[VOTE: Notanaxehole] aubergine

the subtext of this read is complimentary towards you btw

I'm not worried, you'll last minute CFD onto some poor schmuck

I probably will.

[Michelle]

@MafiaMenace are you MU player?

About my defence on Wilgy it's meta related and also by a logic who tells me that this wagon in concerning

DrWigly. 5. Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa

A wolf wouldn't have the biggest wagon while the thread is so calm. Game state looks like wolves are calm and I don't think all wolves are in the low posters either

[MacDougall]

@MafiaMenace are you MU player?

About my defence on Wilgy it's meta related and also by a logic who tells me that this wagon in concerning

DrWigly. 5. Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa

A wolf wouldn't have the biggest wagon while the thread is so calm. Game state looks like wolves are calm and I don't think all wolves are in the low posters either

this is a good read... you're redeemed

[NotAnAxehole]

@MafiaMenace are you MU player?

About my defence on Wilgy it's meta related and also by a logic who tells me that this wagon in concerning

DrWigly. 5. Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa

A wolf wouldn't have the biggest wagon while the thread is so calm. Game state looks like wolves are calm and I don't think all wolves are in the low posters either

this is a good read... you're redeemed

Remember when I had that read about Syn, and you last minute CFD'd off of him?

[Michelle]

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Rofl sorry about your wolf rand sir ^^

[MacDougall]

I changed my mind axe is town

[MacDougall]

@MafiaMenace are you MU player?

About my defence on Wilgy it's meta related and also by a logic who tells me that this wagon in concerning

DrWigly. 5. Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa

A wolf wouldn't have the biggest wagon while the thread is so calm. Game state looks like wolves are calm and I don't think all wolves are in the low posters either

this is a good read... you're redeemed

Remember when I had that read about Syn, and you last minute CFD'd off of him?

in fairness it was 2am and I woke up at 4am and tried to kill a wolf

[Lime Coke]

Lime Coke your job is to try really hard not to cost town the game with your simping.

You would be costing yourself with your reads if you were town, clearly.

[MacDougall]

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Rofl sorry about your wolf rand sir ^^

ah yes the old all votes on Michelle are wolves read... tried and true

[MacDougall]

Lime Coke your job is to try really hard not to cost town the game with your simping.

You would be costing yourself with your reads if you were town, clearly.

I don't even know what this means. If you're gonna insult me I have to understand it.

[NotAnAxehole]

DrWigly. 5. Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa

A wolf wouldn't have the biggest wagon while the thread is so calm. Game state looks like wolves are calm and I don't think all wolves are in the low posters either

I don't get the impression that this is a genuine read tbh (regardless of your alignment).

[MacDougall]

so Axe and LC have both chosen the old insult Mac's skill route... pretty common thing mafia do

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Just kill em all.

[MacDougall]

DrWigly. 5. Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa

A wolf wouldn't have the biggest wagon while the thread is so calm. Game state looks like wolves are calm and I don't think all wolves are in the low posters either

I don't get the impression that this is a genuine read tbh (regardless of your alignment).

seemed pretty fine to me... elab

[Lime Coke]

Lime Coke your job is to try really hard not to cost town the game with your simping.

You would be costing yourself with your reads if you were town, clearly.

I don't even know what this means. If you're gonna insult me I have to understand it.

That's on you if you don't understand it. I was quite clear with what I said.

[MafiaMenace]

@MafiaMenace are you MU player?

About my defence on Wilgy it's meta related and also by a logic who tells me that this wagon in concerning

DrWigly. 5. Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa

A wolf wouldn't have the biggest wagon while the thread is so calm. Game state looks like wolves are calm and I don't think all wolves are in the low posters either

yeah that random wagon is why i chose to vote mighty instead, shit made me uncomfortable
anyway mu isnt my homesite no, its tos

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Also dabling into a bit of the mechanics of TS sucks at mafia, which is usually what I do when votes are stacked on one player d1, which is why I don't think it's a genuine read.

[Lime Coke]

so Axe and LC have both chosen the old insult Mac's skill route... pretty common thing mafia do

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Just kill em all.

And you've chosen the "OMGUS everyone" route, something you've told me that you would do as a wolf every now and then post Venom n Guns.

[MacDougall]

I need to find some town here. Dunya not tunneling me so she's out. Maybe Marmot voting me is townie cuz hes a scared little biatch. @Scotty you town of what mate?

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Also dabling into a bit of the mechanics of TS sucks at mafia, which is usually what I do when votes are stacked on one player d1, which is why I don't think it's a genuine read.

this is the elaboration @MacDougall

[MacDougall]

so Axe and LC have both chosen the old insult Mac's skill route... pretty common thing mafia do

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Just kill em all.

And you've chosen the "OMGUS everyone" route, something you've told me that you would do as a wolf every now and then post Venom n Guns.

Who did I omgus?

[Michelle]

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Rofl sorry about your wolf rand sir ^^

ah yes the old all votes on Michelle are wolves read... tried and true

I said your vote on Alexa was early bussing, so my scum read on you is not new, but the vote for me because I stated the obvious about Wilgy should be telling for everyone else.

[MacDougall]

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Also dabling into a bit of the mechanics of TS sucks at mafia, which is usually what I do when votes are stacked on one player d1, which is why I don't think it's a genuine read.

this is the elaboration @MacDougall

yeah ok but Michelle is a major exponent of level 1 reads

[Lime Coke]

so Axe and LC have both chosen the old insult Mac's skill route... pretty common thing mafia do

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Just kill em all.

And you've chosen the "OMGUS everyone" route, something you've told me that you would do as a wolf every now and then post Venom n Guns.

Who did I omgus?

Are you not reading your own posts or are you just typing stuff out and sending it?

[MacDougall]

@Michelle
Also why would it matter if Alexa's voting a low poster? You're supposed to vote wolfy people...Wilgy is pretty wolfy.

I don't see Wilgy wolfier than Mighty Q for eg
4 posts are not good enough to make a guess

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Rofl sorry about your wolf rand sir ^^

ah yes the old all votes on Michelle are wolves read... tried and true

I said your vote on Alexa was early bussing, so my scum read on you is not new, but the vote for me because I stated the obvious about Wilgy should be telling for everyone else.

Ah foiled again. Sucks to be me.

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Also dabling into a bit of the mechanics of TS sucks at mafia, which is usually what I do when votes are stacked on one player d1, which is why I don't think it's a genuine read.

this is the elaboration @MacDougall

yeah ok but Michelle is a major exponent of level 1 reads

Hmm, ok I don't hate it.

[MacDougall]

so Axe and LC have both chosen the old insult Mac's skill route... pretty common thing mafia do

Michelle has chosen the old omgus without consideration play. Kinda wolfy too.

Just kill em all.

And you've chosen the "OMGUS everyone" route, something you've told me that you would do as a wolf every now and then post Venom n Guns.

Who did I omgus?

Are you not reading your own posts or are you just typing stuff out and sending it?

whomst did I omgus? fmpov I have omgussed zero people. Were Alexa, Michelle, Axe and you scumreading me prior to me scumreading you? Cuz if so I missed that.