Baby Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Alison]

ya and I unvoted there, knowing my mistake, that was my bad for not reading the wagons better
and then Mizery trolled us

I don't blame you for D3.

[Gira]

noting that mizery's reaction to being voted in lylo is to act confused then dip

[Millium]

I dont like being accused of gamethrowing
if we were all better we could have gotten a wolf earlier
I full well wanted to vote Tess when you and LC were thunderdoming each other
Dr Wigly was barely playing the game day 1, and just out of nowhere decided to vote Dizzy

I tried to vote off you and LC

there were so many mistakes this game, and its literally just a game, win or lose
you move on, there is 0 reason to call anyone a gamethrower

[Millium]

ya and I unvoted there, knowing my mistake, that was my bad for not reading the wagons better
and then Mizery trolled us

I don't blame you for D3.

well that's a start
but I also think u shouldn't blame me for ending day 4 early
you should be yelling at everyone else for putting Tess at hammer range

[Millium]

@Gira
who were u referring to yesterday when you voted?
was that the possibility of Gavial/Alison?

[Alison]

Yeah you're right that Tess chould have self hammered and it was wrong of everyone else to put her at L-1 in the first place.

I consider it gamethrowing when someone intentionally does something that has no upside and all downside, knowing full well that it has no upside and all downside. To my mind the only motivation for this decision is to make your team lose on purpose.

[Millium]

Well that was not my intention, but you believe what u want

[Gira]

@Gira
who were u referring to yesterday when you voted?
was that the possibility of Gavial/Alison?

gav mainly yeah in that i think i was being overly generous toward his posting

[Millium]

honestly I can't even hate Alison right now
if mizery is town they about to be to add to their mislynch meta, which I think they seem to want at this point

[Millium]

about to add this game to their mislynch meta*
edwop

[Alison]

Wisp is probably town.

Gira not sure.

Gavial snaps me as either alignment so we'll see I guess.

[Alison]

I can scumcase Mizery if you want but the quickhammer should be enough proof she is mafia.

[Millium]

I think she is trolling at this point, and probably a wolf
I also think Gavial is a wolf who was specifically killing in his "cult" as he kept calling it

[Gira]

spent like a minute rereading mizerys iso and if theyre town im perfectly ok with losing this game

[Alison]

Gavial should be mech resolved. If he votes me and Gira/you don't hammer then he is outed. He will have a tough time explaining voting any choice other than me.

[Alison]

If Gavial is town I am down to lose tbh. So I am just gonna act as though the scum team is Gavial/Mizery outed. Congrats to Wisp and Gira if you are scum.

[Millium]

@Gira
i know its extremely early in the day and it just started
but like I really need you to do stuff if you are town here
I went through your iso on both this site and in Artemis Mafia, and contrary to what I may have said before, I didn't actually see much of a different
the only noticeable difference was you were way more prone to voting, which can easily be the biggest reason to why you are a wolf here

[Millium]

If Gavial is town I am down to lose tbh. So I am just gonna act as though the scum team is Gavial/Mizery outed. Congrats to Wisp and Gira if you are scum.

lmao if it was me and gira, this game would be over
what, and this is what I mean, like I know you are a bit frustrated, but how do I believe that sentence is real
sigh

[Gira]

@Gira
i know its extremely early in the day and it just started
but like I really need you to do stuff if you are town here
I went through your iso on both this site and in Artemis Mafia, and contrary to what I may have said before, I didn't actually see much of a different
the only noticeable difference was you were way more prone to voting, which can easily be the biggest reason to why you are a wolf here

more prone to voting on MU or on here? i feel as though i've been pretty conservative in both games

[Alison]

If Gavial is town I am down to lose tbh. So I am just gonna act as though the scum team is Gavial/Mizery outed. Congrats to Wisp and Gira if you are scum.

lmao if it was me and gira, this game would be over
what, and this is what I mean, like I know you are a bit frustrated, but how do I believe that sentence is real
sigh

I said Wisp and Gira if you are scum.

Meaning if either of you is scum you have already won because Gavial will vote me.

[Millium]

@Gira
i know its extremely early in the day and it just started
but like I really need you to do stuff if you are town here
I went through your iso on both this site and in Artemis Mafia, and contrary to what I may have said before, I didn't actually see much of a different
the only noticeable difference was you were way more prone to voting, which can easily be the biggest reason to why you are a wolf here

more prone to voting on MU or on here? i feel as though i've been pretty conservative in both games

I saw more vote movements in MU, but you also didn't flank for almost two whole day phases there, so /shrug

[Gira]

also why is your emphasis even on sorting me when the vote is forced in the cross today

[Millium]

If Gavial is town I am down to lose tbh. So I am just gonna act as though the scum team is Gavial/Mizery outed. Congrats to Wisp and Gira if you are scum.

lmao if it was me and gira, this game would be over
what, and this is what I mean, like I know you are a bit frustrated, but how do I believe that sentence is real
sigh

I said Wisp and Gira if you are scum.

Meaning if either of you is scum you have already won because Gavial will vote me.

ok I see what you're implying, my bad

[Gira]

@Gira
i know its extremely early in the day and it just started
but like I really need you to do stuff if you are town here
I went through your iso on both this site and in Artemis Mafia, and contrary to what I may have said before, I didn't actually see much of a different
the only noticeable difference was you were way more prone to voting, which can easily be the biggest reason to why you are a wolf here

more prone to voting on MU or on here? i feel as though i've been pretty conservative in both games

I saw more vote movements in MU, but you also didn't flank for almost two whole day phases there, so /shrug

i think the poll system here led to me being more conservative overall but sometimes it's just a matter of how much swinging around and pushing different people and changing my mind and having to reevaluate i have to end up doing

[Gira]

the thing about analysis is that fmpov it's cut and dried

mizery has at no point produced something looking like a serious effort at solving the game and has mostly trolled

alison has been very aggressive but has shown willingness to re-evaluate, the passion and outrage at people playing poorly all feels genuine. she's looked like she actually wants to figure this game out.


now, of course, you can say she can probably fake that. this comes down to them being two different people with different playstyles. but i don't think whether someone "can" fake something is a good reason to doubt a read on them. i've gotten stuff like that and it's irritating. lazy thinking that's an excuse to tinfoil someone because people have an inherent fear of losing to good scum. i'm not gonna base my voting on that.


the thing about this is i can't really pull out some super snazzy analysis on the situation, because there's almost nothing to even compare here. a couple minutes' examination made it trivial. so there's not a ton of room for me to "do stuff" because the substance to analyze just isn't there (also tess deliberately gave us basically nothing to work with, haven't even bothered looking at her iso)

[Millium]

the thing about analysis is that fmpov it's cut and dried

mizery has at no point produced something looking like a serious effort at solving the game and has mostly trolled

alison has been very aggressive but has shown willingness to re-evaluate, the passion and outrage at people playing poorly all feels genuine. she's looked like she actually wants to figure this game out.


now, of course, you can say she can probably fake that. this comes down to them being two different people with different playstyles. but i don't think whether someone "can" fake something is a good reason to doubt a read on them. i've gotten stuff like that and it's irritating. lazy thinking that's an excuse to tinfoil someone because people have an inherent fear of losing to good scum. i'm not gonna base my voting on that.


the thing about this is i can't really pull out some super snazzy analysis on the situation, because there's almost nothing to even compare here. a couple minutes' examination made it trivial. so there's not a ton of room for me to "do stuff" because the substance to analyze just isn't there (also tess deliberately gave us basically nothing to work with, haven't even bothered looking at her iso)

I looked into their iso, and they talked about all of us, except maybe Gavial?

[Gira]

lol there's more votes on Alison than LC now

kinda yikes

i think this is a pretty telling post relative to how strongly tess defended mizery

[Alison]

Alison
No votes

DrWilgy
No votes

Dyslexicon
6
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Mizery, Wisp, tessepia, Gavial

EnderWiggin
No votes

falcon45ca
No votes

Gavial
1
Voters: Lime Coke

Gira
No votes

Luckbox Inc
No votes

Miss Carousel / Lime Coke
No votes

Mizery
5
Voters: Gira, EnderWiggin, Luckbox Inc, Alison, falcon45ca

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
No votes

tessepia
1
Voters: Dyslexicon

Wisp
No votes

[Gira]

tess defended mizery a lot, could be partnered, could be just trying to make herself look aligned with a LHF townie. day 3 doesn't man a whole ton to me because it was intentional WIFOM knowing she'd be flipping soon but earlier stuff between alison/tess looks less likely to be aligned

i am metadiving alison because that's what i do with time on my hands in late game so i'll see how that shakes out

[Alison]

LC was undecided and there was no way to know where he would vote.

Therefore either Gira was willing to let his partner die over Dizzy or Gira is town.

It is probably the latter.

I am going to treat Wisp as confirmed town because if they were scum they wouldn't bother with this slowrolling bullshit. I gave them the biggest excuse in the world to vote and push me with Gavial waiting to hammer and they didn't do it. If they were scum they could have won by now. Also if they were scum they would probably have let Tess self hammer instead of doing the hammer themselves.

I believe it has to be Mizery/Gavial knowing I am town. One of me/Mizery is confirmed to be scum so if either of you need help getting there on me/Mizery let me know and I'll furnish a case.

[Millium]

i mean they defended Alison a decent amount too

[Gira]

independent of anything i should be obvious town just from tess pushing me and the first two nightkills being on people who were townreading me

[Millium]

let me take a look at the earlier stuff between tess and Alison
because the defense of Alison didn't start till day 3, and you are right
at that point its kinda wifom

[Gira]

i mean they defended Alison a decent amount too

not really in a similar manner, and look at the post i quoted from day 2 when alison was getting run up in alison vs lime coke

is that a post someone who's powerwolfing makes? she's neither trying very hard to convince people to not vote alison or posturing for her flip. instead she barely cares about the possibility that alison could die that day.

[Millium]

@Gira
definitely not how a powerwolfer should handle their buddy, especially when that lynch being on a wolf, would also almost solidify the other wagon as being town
making the game that much harder

[Gira]

i am leaving work now. be back later tonight

[Gavial]

hi

posting to confirm the game isn't over yet

Ha jokes on you it’s me and wisp and we have been stalling this game!


No but in all honesty I’m probably gonna vote Alison because they shouldn’t have survived this long at all.

Wisp surviving this long as well is concerning and me surviving just means scum can’t get enough of me.

[Gavial]

LC was undecided and there was no way to know where he would vote.

Therefore either Gira was willing to let his partner die over Dizzy or Gira is town.

It is probably the latter.

I am going to treat Wisp as confirmed town because if they were scum they wouldn't bother with this slowrolling bullshit. I gave them the biggest excuse in the world to vote and push me with Gavial waiting to hammer and they didn't do it. If they were scum they could have won by now. Also if they were scum they would probably have let Tess self hammer instead of doing the hammer themselves.

I believe it has to be Mizery/Gavial knowing I am town. One of me/Mizery is confirmed to be scum so if either of you need help getting there on me/Mizery let me know and I'll furnish a case.

Oh yes I totally help Ender and Buss Tess there.
Also you have a way higher chance to have a scum equity with Tess then Mizery.


If I got here sooner I was gonna post the following:


Give me one reason I shouldn’t vote Alison right now!
(Then ping everyone alive except me and Alison.)

[Millium]

@Gavial
the only question here, is why aren't you dead yet? lmao
me and Alison have had our names vomited across the thread, wolf this, town that
while you and Falcon have been very clear town leans for most

so please don't argue, why are we not dead yet
especially when the last kill more clearly had to be Dr Wigly

[Gavial]

lol there's more votes on Alison than LC now

kinda yikes

i think this is a pretty telling post relative to how strongly tess defended mizery

They defended Alison TF.


@Wisp
I’m telling you the team is Gira/Alison/Tess as I’ve been saying.

[Millium]

There is no distinction anywhere in your iso as to why Ender suddenly joined your "cult"
and your cult were most of the night targets
honestly if it wasn't for you being Arrow, I'd probably had locked u in as wolf for somehow concluding that Tess was the liar
based off a towncore read you never even explained

[Gavial]

Gira and Alison went from SRing each other Day 1 to conveniently Lock towning each other in the same day phase.

[Alison]

LC was undecided and there was no way to know where he would vote.

Therefore either Gira was willing to let his partner die over Dizzy or Gira is town.

It is probably the latter.

I am going to treat Wisp as confirmed town because if they were scum they wouldn't bother with this slowrolling bullshit. I gave them the biggest excuse in the world to vote and push me with Gavial waiting to hammer and they didn't do it. If they were scum they could have won by now. Also if they were scum they would probably have let Tess self hammer instead of doing the hammer themselves.

I believe it has to be Mizery/Gavial knowing I am town. One of me/Mizery is confirmed to be scum so if either of you need help getting there on me/Mizery let me know and I'll furnish a case.

Oh yes I totally help Ender and Buss Tess there.
Also you have a way higher chance to have a scum equity with Tess then Mizery.


If I got here sooner I was gonna post the following:


Give me one reason I shouldn’t vote Alison right now!
(Then ping everyone alive except me and Alison.)

Gavial is lying.

If he was town he wouldn't say this, he would just vote me.

LOL

[Gavial]

There is no distinction anywhere in your iso as to why Ender suddenly joined your "cult"
and your cult were most of the night targets
honestly if it wasn't for you being Arrow, I'd probably had locked u in as wolf for somehow concluding that Tess was the liar
based off a towncore read you never even explained

Why as scum would I have saved Ender there instead of place no vote or sheep Tess on Ender?

I had a very confident read on him and frankly was the only one that had that kinda read.


@Wisp
Look at the way Alison pushed LC!
It was power wolf trying to get LHF!

[Gavial]

Why else did Nanook fucking die?
Think man think!


Nanook’s EoD was hinting he would have been ok with an Alison CFD and Alison didn’t want that and killed Nanook.

[Millium]

idk why Nanook died, the only thing I have is that you called him ur cult
and he died, your cult seemed to get targeted for some odd reason

[Alison]

LC was undecided and there was no way to know where he would vote.

Therefore either Gira was willing to let his partner die over Dizzy or Gira is town.

It is probably the latter.

I am going to treat Wisp as confirmed town because if they were scum they wouldn't bother with this slowrolling bullshit. I gave them the biggest excuse in the world to vote and push me with Gavial waiting to hammer and they didn't do it. If they were scum they could have won by now. Also if they were scum they would probably have let Tess self hammer instead of doing the hammer themselves.

I believe it has to be Mizery/Gavial knowing I am town. One of me/Mizery is confirmed to be scum so if either of you need help getting there on me/Mizery let me know and I'll furnish a case.

Oh yes I totally help Ender and Buss Tess there.
Also you have a way higher chance to have a scum equity with Tess then Mizery.


If I got here sooner I was gonna post the following:


Give me one reason I shouldn’t vote Alison right now!
(Then ping everyone alive except me and Alison.)

Gavial is lying.

If he was town he wouldn't say this, he would just vote me.

LOL

This is not a meme argument btw.

Gavial is reckless as town and would not think twice before voting someone he has been tunnelling the whole game. He is way more likely to ask for permission to vote someone if he feels like it's what a townie would do and therefore feels obligated to do it.

[Gavial]

LC was undecided and there was no way to know where he would vote.

Therefore either Gira was willing to let his partner die over Dizzy or Gira is town.

It is probably the latter.

I am going to treat Wisp as confirmed town because if they were scum they wouldn't bother with this slowrolling bullshit. I gave them the biggest excuse in the world to vote and push me with Gavial waiting to hammer and they didn't do it. If they were scum they could have won by now. Also if they were scum they would probably have let Tess self hammer instead of doing the hammer themselves.

I believe it has to be Mizery/Gavial knowing I am town. One of me/Mizery is confirmed to be scum so if either of you need help getting there on me/Mizery let me know and I'll furnish a case.

Oh yes I totally help Ender and Buss Tess there.
Also you have a way higher chance to have a scum equity with Tess then Mizery.


If I got here sooner I was gonna post the following:


Give me one reason I shouldn’t vote Alison right now!
(Then ping everyone alive except me and Alison.)

Gavial is lying.

If he was town he wouldn't say this, he would just vote me.

LOL

I planned on voting you later but at this point I think I’ll just vote you and if it is Miz and someone else they can have the win.

You aren’t town, you are powerwolfing and I am convinced!

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Millium]

lolol

[Gavial]

idk why Nanook died, the only thing I have is that you called him ur cult
and he died, your cult seemed to get targeted for some odd reason

Yeah even Tess pushed my cult bud Ender.