Done with my ISO on c4.
And to be absolutely honest
I have such a hard time seeing him as wolf. For some specific things.
Now, my tabs apparently refuse to open up in chronological order.
So my ISO thing won't be as fancy as SPF's.
- I first checked when c4 called Vulgard a confident town read. It was after both Arete and Marl had, which is significant. So no points there. Parroting a strong town read is easier. However, saying it first as a teammate is very rare at the start of the game.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:01 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:28 pm
vulgard seems like a villager
No he just is
So this. If c4 is a wolf, he's cooler than me. I don't think I'd ever dare this on D1 if it was about my teammate.
I mean, I could consider that it was a wolf plan to hard read Vul town and it was done with the intention of WIFOM.
But I feel like these kinds of posts are extremely hard to make
for most if w/w.
I don't know how cool c4 is.
But it would surprise me if w/w.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:08 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:03 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:15 am
She's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing.
Noting the bolded. What's your read there now, then?
Off the top of my head, her treatment of Tang was kinda sorta like town spf because of the dynamism alone.
Just a funny interaction that breaks my brayn because of this F3.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:35 pm
spf sunbae Vulgard 3/3 core
nut prolly threadspewed
Couldn't give fewer shits about dya unless Seth flips green
Couldn't give fewer shits about Hally and Zack unless KZA flips green
Alison
Amy
Arete
Dyslexicon
Marluxion
outed wolf
Tangrowth
Someone gimme their most urgent legacy top townie in that bunch
This mid section of what I guess is PoE are all town lol. D1.
That is not condemning to me. Tbh, it's probably more > town for most players. Depending on style, I guess.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:40 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:38 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:58 pm
dya v for thinking the scumreads on them are unfair
Why do you think this? Your takes have been fine so far, but this one stands out as unjustified to me.
Because correct scumreads aren't unfair duh. Apparently everything is NAI meta though.
I thought I would have something to say about this. Ough.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:44 pm
What exactly have you done that's out of your wolfrange c4?
This whole damn game
You saw me freeze on every single push I ever made in CoV
You saw me do jack shit to advance jack shit from my worldview in CoV
You saw me shamelessly TMI every controversial name in CoV
How tf
"I'm not like in CoV".
Fucking CoV.
So Dya was in CoV.
If I squint a little, I could see Dya helping c4 be exactly like not in CoV. c4 also shows awareness of how he was in a previous scum game and could then adjust. But this type of defence is more often town imo.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:26 pm
Obviously if Alison doesn't actually get in here and claim she's a wolf, but I'm still considering that a big if.
@c4e5g3d5 Can you talk about this? You had other reasons for reading Alison town than assuming she was PT. Why would she then be a wolf if she didn't claim PT, wouldn't those reasons still apply?
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:18 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:15 am
Why are you preflipping Dya as a wolf?
I... think they're a wolf
But I don't need to think they're a wolf to say something that looks like a save attempt looks like a save attempt.
This is pretty oof.
More so on Vul's end.
Again, I probably will get more out of ISOing Vul.
c4 looks fine a lot. Vul's interactions with him are more awkward.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:49 pm
I have a bunch of unsorted thoughts that I'll probably forget by the end of this conversation but
sunbae wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm
i targeted outed wolf as an angel target, not vulgard
Holup holup holup holup holup
Am I reading this correctly as there being two separate targets?
A block and a doc? Not the same target?
Which means Vulgard being town doesn't necessarily mean he was the kill
Which would've been nice to know before everyone started screaming difference check and not after
And Visor is still a weird ass kill but it would've been good to know that was what we were working with ya know?
But this though.
This is like half a derp.
c4 doesn't seem to understand how a jailkeeper even works.
I mean, derps are dangerous, maybe he derped as wolf, but I think it would be reasonable to assume that he would know as a wolf?
And this is a bit ...weird if w/w with Vul?
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:55 pm
dizzy is literally the reason sunbae chose vulgard
he pointed out those vulgard/dya w/w looking things
dizzy does not do that if hes teamed with them, he does that as astute village
dizzy is not a wolf
Where was this
This I also find very interesting.
This is either very well done or very badly done if wolf lol.
Cause I would expect a wolf to have paid attention to me calling out literally their two living teammates in a link. Unless he just wasn't paying attention at all. Which honestly, that is plausible. And I shouldn't assume that they even talked about it in wolf chat. Cause maybe they just didn't or c4 didn't catch it.
But if he did catch it, it's very well done to pretend he didn't.
So I guess I land on he legit didn't catch it, but he could've skipped it even if wolf. I guess I'm not that important lol.
But I don't remember how much this was talked about.
I mean, both Sunbae and Vul did make a thing out of my link.
So should c4 not be able to pay attention to it, and wouldn't he be more likely to catch it as a wolf?
I would thinks so.
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I guess these are my thoughts and comment on c4.
But I also have more general thoughts.
- Some places it looks like c4 is basically open wolfing. And from what I gather, he kind of did that in CoV. Fucking CoV. Saying "What if it's me?" and even "I'm in danger" meme today. It cringe.
And like, some of Vul's and Dya's interactions with c4 are ...not that good.
But then, c4's posts are actually overall quite good and I follow his mindset, and even where there's flip that also looks natural.
Thanks, I hate it.