Lasagna Mafia [END]

[Kami]

While we're at it let's point out that multiple people said that hypoing pregame was anti-town and Kami immediately claimed that their read on nanook was a pregame hypo when it was called into question.

I'm seer though, why are you implying you know I'm not or am?

I think you're mafia so obviously I'm not going to treat you as seer, wtf

Okay nanook v

[Alison]

I don't see a reason for town!Kami to give a hypo pregame when multiple people have explained why that's wrong so the simplest explanation to me is that you found yourself unable to justify your TMI on nook and tried to pass it off as a hypo instead.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't see a reason for town!Kami to give a hypo pregame when multiple people have explained why that's wrong so the simplest explanation to me is that you found yourself unable to justify your TMI on nook and tried to pass it off as a hypo instead.

Bingo

[Kami]

Imagine thinking I care about what other people think is optimal

[Esooa]

I just looked at the sign up thread. Hypos literally weren't discussed. I have no clue what you're saying Alison

[Esooa]

nannook v

weird read. why?

Its a peek

Kami never says hypo once in her ISO

this is all

this is so obviously a peek based on it's wording

this is legitimately insanely awful Alison

[Syn]

I don't see a reason for town!Kami to give a hypo pregame when multiple people have explained why that's wrong so the simplest explanation to me is that you found yourself unable to justify your TMI on nook and tried to pass it off as a hypo instead.

n0 nanook

[Syn]

this "multiple people" is just you

[Kami]

Last game in the same exact set up I made the same exact peek on my 4th post.

[Alison]

this "multiple people" is just you

And Creature

And Esooa

[Syn]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

[Syn]

this "multiple people" is just you

And Creature

And Esooa

they gave tips on how to do cop cover optimally

[Luckbox Inc]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[Alison]

this "multiple people" is just you

And Creature

And Esooa

they gave tips on how to do cop cover optimally

which involves not saying it at SOD

so my question is why did Kami give their "nanook v" hypo at SOD?

[Kami]

this "multiple people" is just you

And Creature

And Esooa

they gave tips on how to do cop cover optimally

which involves not saying it at SOD

so my question is why did Kami give their "nanook v" hypo at SOD?

The same reason I did it last game, I don't give a fuck about what you consider good or bad. Thank you

[Esooa]

Alison your point is unbelievably invalid. You began caring about Kamis check because you said it was cover for a tmi read. It was always a check. Now you're saying she's playing unoptimally so it's apparently wolfy. Just drop it

[Alison]

nannook v

weird read. why?

Its a peek

Kami never says hypo once in her ISO

this is all

this is so obviously a peek based on it's wording

this is legitimately insanely awful Alison

You are misunderstanding what I said.

Kami made the "nanook v" post in #129. Prior to #129 it was already explained why you should never give hypo peeks at SOD.

Therefore there is no reason for town Kami to say nanook v in 129.

[Syn]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

why are you so obviously partnered with Alison

[Luckbox Inc]

I don't think the timing of Kami's peek is all that important and I think she's capable of doing it early in any role.

[Alison]

Alison your point is unbelievably invalid. You began caring about Kamis check because you said it was cover for a tmi read. It was always a check. Now you're saying she's playing unoptimally so it's apparently wolfy. Just drop it

It makes 0 sense for it to be a check because people have already said not to give checks SOD

It makes way more sense for it to be a read that they tried to backtrack on.

[Alison]

I don't know why you'd read three pages of explanation why giving checks SOD are bad, see someone make a post that could be either a check or a read, and immediately assume it's a check

[Kami]

I don't think the timing of Kami's peek is all that important and I think she's capable of doing it early in any role.

Why are you purposefully being neutral about my alignment in every post

[Kami]

Alison your point is unbelievably invalid. You began caring about Kamis check because you said it was cover for a tmi read. It was always a check. Now you're saying she's playing unoptimally so it's apparently wolfy. Just drop it

It makes 0 sense for it to be a check because people have already said not to give checks SOD

It makes way more sense for it to be a read that they tried to backtrack on.

Man you are legit drowning and struggling hard keep it up

[Luckbox Inc]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

why are you so obviously partnered with Alison

I get the stuff from early game but I'm not sure what my Creature vote now has to do with Alison.

[Alison]

Alison your point is unbelievably invalid. You began caring about Kamis check because you said it was cover for a tmi read. It was always a check. Now you're saying she's playing unoptimally so it's apparently wolfy. Just drop it

It makes 0 sense for it to be a check because people have already said not to give checks SOD

It makes way more sense for it to be a read that they tried to backtrack on.

Man you are legit drowning and struggling hard keep it up

I like how you're resorting to posts like this rather than explaining why you felt it was a good idea to give a check at SOD after it was explained to you three times why doing so is a bad idea.

Or explain why you think Lunchbox/me are partnered instead of just naked sheeping it after other people made that read.

You only started attacking me once I pointed out how shitty your first post and dip was, your entire case on me is naked OMGUS and the fact that you're trying to pretend it's not is incredibly fucking outing.

[Alison]

And don't fucking call me man, please and thanks.

[Luckbox Inc]

I don't think the timing of Kami's peek is all that important and I think she's capable of doing it early in any role.

Why are you purposefully being neutral about my alignment in every post

Because I'm giving you credit for being skilled at this game and not outing your role through simple mechanical actions like the timing of when you drop peeks?

[Kami]

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/p ... st57020562
My 3rd post in the game
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/p ... st57154778
My 3rd post in the game

i was villager in both, why would your opinion over what I shouldn't and should do trump something I already settled on doing?

[Esooa]

omg Alison Kami did explain it and it was fine and you are so tunneled while criticizing someone for tunneling, seriously stop

[Kami]

Alison your point is unbelievably invalid. You began caring about Kamis check because you said it was cover for a tmi read. It was always a check. Now you're saying she's playing unoptimally so it's apparently wolfy. Just drop it

It makes 0 sense for it to be a check because people have already said not to give checks SOD

It makes way more sense for it to be a read that they tried to backtrack on.

Man you are legit drowning and struggling hard keep it up

I like how you're resorting to posts like this rather than explaining why you felt it was a good idea to give a check at SOD after it was explained to you three times why doing so is a bad idea.

Or explain why you think Lunchbox/me are partnered instead of just naked sheeping it after other people made that read.

You only started attacking me once I pointed out how shitty your first post and dip was, your entire case on me is naked OMGUS and the fact that you're trying to pretend it's not is incredibly fucking outing.

No you literally are drowning, your reason for scum reading me (the peek) is something I do regularly and you still are tunneling on it lmao

[Kami]

I don't think the timing of Kami's peek is all that important and I think she's capable of doing it early in any role.

Why are you purposefully being neutral about my alignment in every post

Because I'm giving you credit for being skilled at this game and not outing your role through simple mechanical actions like the timing of when you drop peeks?

Every villa we've played together I only fake peeked as villager, I never remember to as wolf.

[Alison]

My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is a cop out excuse and not a real answer and it's the only one you have given so far.

But even setting the nanook v thing aside, I have way more reasons to scumread you than just that:

1) The fact that you made a misreppy first post and dipped.
2) The fact that you naked sheeped other people saying Lunchbox/Alison wolves together and tried to signal boost that narrative without giving any indication why you actually believe that.
3) The fact that you're trying to pass off your scumread on me as because I explained my scumread on you, when that is a perfectly logical thing to do as villa. It is nonsensical to believe that explaining your reads is scummy and a desire to cover up your OMGUS is a much more plausible explanation for you trying to push that line of reasoning.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: ALISON] aubergineI've decided to sheep Hyena, they're my Top Town right now.

[Esooa]

I have no clue who Kami is supposed to have been sleeping with the Alison/luckbox read at all

[Alison]

I have no clue who Kami is supposed to have been sleeping with the Alison/luckbox read at all

Hyena initially made that read, I believe.

[Kami]

My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is a cop out excuse and not a real answer and it's the only one you have given so far.

But even setting the nanook v thing aside, I have way more reasons to scumread you than just that:

1) The fact that you made a misreppy first post and dipped.
2) The fact that you naked sheeped other people saying Lunchbox/Alison wolves together and tried to signal boost that narrative without giving any indication why you actually believe that.
3) The fact that you're trying to pass off your scumread on me as because I explained my scumread on you, when that is a perfectly logical thing to do as villa. It is nonsensical to believe that explaining your reads is scummy and a desire to cover up your OMGUS is a much more plausible explanation for you trying to push that line of reasoning.

Omg you got me! My peek I do every game as villager is why I'm a wolf!

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: luckbox inc] aubergine

I don't believe that you didn't know that's not how the seer works.

I think if I don't ask you about this, people are going to continue to think we're w/w-- but can you explain your thought process here? Just joking? Semi-serious?
FTR-- I was obviously joking and make a joke like that about 100% of the time in my first post in a new forum regardless of role.

I believed you were trying to derpclear yourself as VT.

If I claimed a red check in my opening post, would you think I was trying to derpclear myself VT, too?

What happened to shit posting? Y'all firing on 6 cylinders

Could be a wolf mad that the village is trying

Why didn't you shade Esooa for calling out that you were tryharding like you did with Falcon here?

What happened to shit posting? Y'all firing on 6 cylinders

Could be a wolf mad that the village is trying

Why didn't you shade Esooa for calling out that you were tryharding like you did with Falcon here?

Idk Falcon at all so that post there was just purely for reactions, and I later asked esooa about the try-hard stuff.

Okay, so you approached them differently (reaction testing vs. direct questioning) because you knew Esooa better than you do Falcon? Why didn't you try reaction testing Esooa anyway? And why did you think reaction testing Falcon regarding his post be a better approach to get stuff out of him over direct questioning?

Towny shit right here.

[Esooa]

I have no clue who Kami is supposed to have been sleeping with the Alison/luckbox read at all

Hyena initially made that read, I believe.

except they didn't

[Kami]

NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon

[Luckbox Inc]

My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is Kami

I agree with you that dropping peeks early is bad fwiw-- but I don't think Kami doing what she did and reacting the way she has is wolfy for her either.
You both seem like v/v imo.

[Alison]

I have no clue who Kami is supposed to have been sleeping with the Alison/luckbox read at all

Hyena initially made that read, I believe.

except they didn't

You're right, Syn initially made the read, and Hyena affirmed it shortly after.

Doesn't change my point.

[Alison]

NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon

Posts like this are 100% mafia gloating that they've managed to fool town by the way.

[Alison]

My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is a cop out excuse and not a real answer and it's the only one you have given so far.

But even setting the nanook v thing aside, I have way more reasons to scumread you than just that:

1) The fact that you made a misreppy first post and dipped.
2) The fact that you naked sheeped other people saying Lunchbox/Alison wolves together and tried to signal boost that narrative without giving any indication why you actually believe that.
3) The fact that you're trying to pass off your scumread on me as because I explained my scumread on you, when that is a perfectly logical thing to do as villa. It is nonsensical to believe that explaining your reads is scummy and a desire to cover up your OMGUS is a much more plausible explanation for you trying to push that line of reasoning.

Omg you got me! My peek I do every game as villager is why I'm a wolf!

I have given you three scumreads aside from the peek. You have not responded to any of them.

[Luckbox Inc]

What happened to shit posting? Y'all firing on 6 cylinders

Could be a wolf mad that the village is trying

Why didn't you shade Esooa for calling out that you were tryharding like you did with Falcon here?

Idk Falcon at all so that post there was just purely for reactions, and I later asked esooa about the try-hard stuff.

Okay, so you approached them differently (reaction testing vs. direct questioning) because you knew Esooa better than you do Falcon? Why didn't you try reaction testing Esooa anyway? And why did you think reaction testing Falcon regarding his post be a better approach to get stuff out of him over direct questioning?

Missed this before: My expectation is that esooa as a villager will become obvious to me if she is one but there really isn't much of a rhyme of reason there. I made the post to Falcon because it seemed appropriate and the situation with esooa is different.
It honestly seems like a weird thing to question me over.

[Kami]

NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon

Posts like this are 100% mafia gloating that they've managed to fool town by the way.

Naw I'm just a bitch

[Esooa]

syns post was a joke

I didn't see that hyena agreed with the team though

regardless, if Alison doesn't stop there's a 100% chance I vote her EoD. I'm done talking about it

[Kami]

My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is a cop out excuse and not a real answer and it's the only one you have given so far.

But even setting the nanook v thing aside, I have way more reasons to scumread you than just that:

1) The fact that you made a misreppy first post and dipped.
2) The fact that you naked sheeped other people saying Lunchbox/Alison wolves together and tried to signal boost that narrative without giving any indication why you actually believe that.
3) The fact that you're trying to pass off your scumread on me as because I explained my scumread on you, when that is a perfectly logical thing to do as villa. It is nonsensical to believe that explaining your reads is scummy and a desire to cover up your OMGUS is a much more plausible explanation for you trying to push that line of reasoning.

Omg you got me! My peek I do every game as villager is why I'm a wolf!

I have given you three scumreads aside from the peek. You have not responded to any of them.

Cause I already responded to them previously

[Alison]

You've consistently refused to engage on any of the reasons I've pointed out why you're scum and have focused solely on trying to discredit my point about your supposed hypo, which makes me think you are wolf caught for the wrong reasons and would rather try to argue that you would do an SOD hypo as villa rather than talk about your progression regarding your belief in me/lunchbox or your first post.

[Luckbox Inc]

NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon

Posts like this are 100% mafia gloating that they've managed to fool town by the way.

I don't claim to be able to read Kami, but it's impossible to be this confident about her.

[Alison]

syns post was a joke

I didn't see that hyena agreed with the team though

regardless, if Alison doesn't stop there's a 100% chance I vote her EoD. I'm done talking about it

Do it. I'll make sure you get flipped after Kami.