The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Gavial]

If we HAVE to choose between Qwags and Marmot I’ll always choose Qwags here since, (Daisy/Falcon/Qwags/Flanders/Mac) team makes sense.

[Gavial]

Marmot doesn’t.

[KZA]

You need to find those little things.
Not quite slips but perception. Like a catch.
That’s how you find scum.

did you find some little things then

[Gavial]

You need to find those little things.
Not quite slips but perception. Like a catch.
That’s how you find scum.

did you find some little things then

Yep.
Daisy mentioned Marmot to me for no reason.
“Little things”. Aka wolfy.

[Gavial]

Here’s another thing.
If you want to argue they wanted me to discuss the main wagons then why not also ask me on my opinion towards Qwags? They never did.
Thus why I think Qwags could be the 5th on the teamZ

[KZA]

I think that's a fine concern and worth confronting. I think we might need a red flip before I start forming hypothetical teams though.

[Gavial]

I think that's a fine concern and worth confronting. I think we might need a red flip before I start forming hypothetical teams though.

Then vote Qwags.

[Gavial]

Since no one wants to do the other 4 scum.

[Gavial]

Wait you are voting Qwags I’m retarded

[KZA]

I think that's a fine concern and worth confronting. I think we might need a red flip before I start forming hypothetical teams though.

Then vote Qwags.

What would you do if Marmot ends up going over and flipping mafia?

[Gavial]

I think that's a fine concern and worth confronting. I think we might need a red flip before I start forming hypothetical teams though.

Then vote Qwags.

What would you do if Marmot ends up going over and flipping mafia?

Re-Eval

[Gavial]

But he won’t flip mafia

[KZA]

well Enrique has promised to play so I'll stop recommending him for shootings

[Gavial]

Trust me when I say Flanders vote is not gonna stay on Qwags.

@Marmot
I’d suggest cross voting here.

[Gavial]

well Enrique has promised to play so I'll stop recommending him for shootings

Recommend Quin if anything.

[Gavial]

If I’m wrong on one my team guess, I replace them with Quin.

[Long Con]

how come syn and tim are voting out Marmot. and so is qwags and Made.

and iirc several say made and qwags are real sus. but like tim and syn are real townie.

how come several people don't like Enrique and think he is mafia but not voting him. and nacho, who is voting him is supposed to be sus?

how come tim thinks the voting looks good? what about the voting looks good?

This attitude is similar to my current view of the game. I'm happy to have a few townreads, but I haven't figured out who I think is bad yet. I feel like a lot of posts aren't that alignment-readable maybe... or maybe I skimmed through too much while tired. I think of Qwags for instance, and people loling and saying "Who is Quags?" comes to mind, or how about Mac's bunch of GIFs and votes without explanation. I think he has a whole team of suspects, from that post where he voted 5 players at once. I don't know why, I don't know if he's joking around or if he's just scum and wants to muddy the waters while relaxing in GIF-ville. I do think he could do a better job communicating and that he might not be posting in good faith.

Jack's rhymes are sick, but his obsession with Tim doesn't work for me at all. He just calls everything Tim says a lie, whoop-de-doo, but why?

[Long Con]

Mac, BK, Qwags all wolves. Book it

Mac would be a high scoville yeet

BK and Qwags should eat a shower of lead tonight if town wants a clearer picture and has vig shots

What is scoville?

[Long Con]

Too many slots I'm ready to policy kill just because its game throwing to have them at end game

Step the fuck up if you're town

I really will, I just need another day maybe. I don't understand most of the suspicions I'm seeing put forth.

[Scotty]

i went back to the casino at 1am last night and won back $471, which is funny because I put in $470. LEAVIN VEGAS UP, BABY! Ima name my firstborn ‘Millionaire’

[KZA]

Mac, BK, Qwags all wolves. Book it

Mac would be a high scoville yeet

BK and Qwags should eat a shower of lead tonight if town wants a clearer picture and has vig shots

What is scoville?

a scale for how spicy peppers are lol

Too many slots I'm ready to policy kill just because its game throwing to have them at end game

Step the fuck up if you're town

I really will, I just need another day maybe. I don't understand most of the suspicions I'm seeing put forth.

Don't worry, you're protected under the Long Con Preservation Act

[Long Con]

I'm drunk and eating a night kill soon enough okay I'm sorry for the out of character aggression

No, those two previous posts were very good. If you weren't already towncleared, those posts would have gone a long way to putting you in the town pile at least. I hope you get protected tonight.

[Scotty]

I betcha that mafia sword artifact was used on a someone more town-leaning last night, and failed.

I would also bet that that target will be the NK tonite. Makes sense to me. Not that this info has any bearing on anything

It has five charges, so if I was wolf I would be itching to use it. Leads me to agree they probably fired it off and hoped for the bonus kill, yes. Whether the target they chose last night will still be a high enough priority to be the NK tonight is a different question though. There are people I would say have likely bubbled to the top of the NK list today that likely displaced anyone they tried to razor last night.

People have already said that the mech spec strikes them as wolfy, but you are persisting. Obviously so am I, but I am notorious for an IDGAF attitude towards the "eww that looks wolfy" kneejerkers in the crowd. What are your motives for risking their ire?

Yes, I’m presupposing a kill, and in hindsight it doesn’t make as much sense to get rid of a player recently used. But if the 2nd target didn’t have an artifact then they’re probably not particularly useful to mafia.

I’m actually not sure why I even bothered to mention that. Probably Scotty TMI

[KZA]

If I’m wrong on one my team guess, I replace them with Quin.

sure, but why Quin over say Nacho or Enrique? All 3 of those slots have very few associations and similar activity level so I'd be interested in why Quin specifically

[Long Con]

Mac, BK, Qwags all wolves. Book it

Mac would be a high scoville yeet

BK and Qwags should eat a shower of lead tonight if town wants a clearer picture and has vig shots

What is scoville?

a scale for how spicy peppers are lol

Oh yeah! I had that knowledge, just didn't have access at the time.

Too many slots I'm ready to policy kill just because its game throwing to have them at end game

Step the fuck up if you're town

I really will, I just need another day maybe. I don't understand most of the suspicions I'm seeing put forth.

Don't worry, you're protected under the Long Con Preservation Act

Thank god I voted liberal.

[Scotty]

how come syn and tim are voting out Marmot. and so is qwags and Made.

and iirc several say made and qwags are real sus. but like tim and syn are real townie.

how come several people don't like Enrique and think he is mafia but not voting him. and nacho, who is voting him is supposed to be sus?

how come tim thinks the voting looks good? what about the voting looks good?

This attitude is similar to my current view of the game. I'm happy to have a few townreads, but I haven't figured out who I think is bad yet. I feel like a lot of posts aren't that alignment-readable maybe... or maybe I skimmed through too much while tired. I think of Qwags for instance, and people loling and saying "Who is Quags?" comes to mind, or how about Mac's bunch of GIFs and votes without explanation. I think he has a whole team of suspects, from that post where he voted 5 players at once. I don't know why, I don't know if he's joking around or if he's just scum and wants to muddy the waters while relaxing in GIF-ville. I do think he could do a better job communicating and that he might not be posting in good faith.

Jack's rhymes are sick, but his obsession with Tim doesn't work for me at all. He just calls everything Tim says a lie, whoop-de-doo, but why?

I agree with everything said here. Haven’t even looked at jack critically, but can sheep it.

At this point, we’ve only had a handful of people actively playing fox in the hen house, while 66% of people are playing drink the lighter fluid. Makes it hard

I view LC as very town

[KZA]

also another thing for @Gavial , do you have a lot of meta knowledge that supports your read on Daisy?

[Marmot]

Trust me when I say Flanders vote is not gonna stay on Qwags.

@Marmot
I’d suggest cross voting here.

What is cross-voting? If you're referring to a self-prez vote, that'll likely happen and Qwags is a fine option.

I'm not excited by the "Qwags is always a wolf" argument, but he's got a higher chance of being a wolf than I do.

[Long Con]

What if we took Boknows to end game?

I like him, and he's been dying early a lot recently

Him always being a wolf lately makes me leery of this plan. I like him too, but that smilin' seal is a demon.

[Long Con]

LOL...well, both pings are one ping...a mention and a quote in the same post.

I feel very wanted! <3

Thank you Daisy!!!

I mouthed off about you! so sorry! owo ♡

but this been a weird nite. I think rl there maybe a chicken trying to murder me is frying my brain. it can't be a chicken.

is this u being a martyr again and that is why you claimed? like don't do that stuff.

You are a GIF master, sir. Love it. Some other ones you have posted too, have been just toooo good.

[DaisyCloud]

LOL...well, both pings are one ping...a mention and a quote in the same post.

I feel very wanted! <3

Thank you Daisy!!!

I mouthed off about you! so sorry! owo ♡

but this been a weird nite. I think rl there maybe a chicken trying to murder me is frying my brain. it can't be a chicken.

is this u being a martyr again and that is why you claimed? like don't do that stuff.

No martyr. I need information, so I trade information. My role isn't going to get me anywhere, including killed, in the short term, but in a setup this complicated I think if the entire town tries to keep all their cards tight to their vest we will probably suffer for it. So I shared what looked like it wouldn't hurt to share to lead the way. This seems blatantly obvious, but with five wolves freely sharing information about their roles and how the shrines responded to them they are at a big advantage in figuring stuff out. Some people are gonna take that as role fishing and get timfoily about it and that's just the way it goes.

Now we know some stuff about some stuff.

From the chaos crowd I think maybe we learned something. A bunch of people went to the Sheogorath shrine. At least three claim to have gotten post gimmick curses for their trouble while TSP got a day off the poll, assuming they are all telling the truth. One possibility is that there is a good benefit assigned, maybe randomly or maybe by some priority system, and everyone else gets fucked with. That would fit Sheogorath, lorewise.

That would also make sense of some other issues, like watcher being way to powerful to just hand out to everyone who goes to a shrine. If there is a shrine handing out watcher boons it might just give one per night and everyone else that goes there gets nothing. Gavail says there is a watcher shrine (Nocturnal), and that he chose to go somewhere else last night. That seems like a bad choice to me, and if a lot of people had that choice available it seems like most would have taken it, but we aren't flooded with watcher reports. So only one gets rewarded? Or a lot of people did get watcher power and no one watched Alison get murdered? Or someone did see Alison get murdered and doesn't want to risk telling us about it? Or Gavail is fake on the claim? Some things seem more plausible there than others.

That's what I have put together on the setup. My own input is that one other person went to the same shrine I did (Sanguine) and I have no idea who, or what they got. If whatever gets handed out there is a "only one gets blessed" thing I think I wouldn't even be eligible so it would just go to them automatically. The only thing I can imagine that might come useful out of that info is if for some reason someone admits to being the other Sanguine visitor and then someone else claims they were there too, because that makes one of the three of us a liar. Probably not happening.

Anyway, I was asleep, and woke up to clean up after a puking dog so now I am wide awake at the most inconvenient of times so I'll maybe read some thread here...although the longer I stay up the more screwed my sleep schedule is gonna get.

oh okay. still seems a bit martyry . ..

it is different the having Gavial come in and claim for seemingly 0 reasons.

it did seem like you was just doing it to garner information. and give information.

Gavial was more for seemingly self preservation. also for him it seemed pr fishing. like it could be he doesn't really have those abilities that he claims and wants to see if anyone can or whst have you.

now I can see a player having both a watcher and a tracker ability because joat. I can see using tracker nite 1 as opposed to watcher. maybe u r unsure who is townie, feel more sure about your scums. and I have played a game where a cop every nite literally invested a player that ended up being nked. so it is plausible he did indeed try to track Nanook.

Gavial seems all over the place. his scum read on me seems like an omgus and not actually for any legit stuff.

I asked him about Made and Marmot mostly because I'm curious. he is right he hasn't said much about Marmot.

why am I talking to u about Gavial and how come the stuff I say I don't reword and make a reply to him?

okay, so I have a habit of omgusing. I don't think this is omgus. iirc Gavial never really had a big read/take on me. I think he is omgusing me.

you are better at figuring things out then me.

people could say there is parallels to u and him. but I disagree. and you clarifying your process, well yeah it fits in to all of it thst occurred in the game thread. while his does not.

Gavial doing what they are doing creates more questions then it answers. and makes more wifom and adds more cats to shrodinger's box. and this doesn't seem like the type of game that Gavial should be going around creating more quest then he answers.

like okay fine u sus me for asking about Marmot, okay but answer it anyway? why r u not poking or talking about Marmot. he is lead wagon. I see qwags voting there. don't u sus qwags?


are we not supposed to be figuring that stuff out too?

if you think my concernaments is something to table or put on the back burner then okay.

I thinks I got u in my towncore from after reading all you posts after I went to sleep. I should have stayed up so I could chat with u in rl time. oh well.

and no guys this is not pockets. I have no pockets. it's not fair they don't put pockets in girl's pants. this isn't AtE either. and if it is idk how to remove AtE. idk how to not have any emotions at all.

[DaisyCloud]

Nope.
Mac, Falcon, Flanders all wolves. Book that!

At least we have an overlap of Mac

Like a wonderful, hairy Venn diagram

We will see who was the closest post game.
Y’know it gonna be me because BK Obv town.

You keep saying BK is town, but just because you name your child Millionaire doesn’t make them rich.

Why is he obvious town?

Because I’ve seen BK wolf and he ain’t wolfing this game.

I should be asleep but I got the hebee jebees. please refresh me about Marmot and Made.

thank you kindly for your time and attention. ♡

I’m sorry, I mean I mentioned made a couple times but I like never really even mentioned marmot?
I don’t like this post of yours here.

I see.

so why don't you talk about Marmot? what about this post you don't like? just me asking you about Marmot? shouldn't you have thoughts on him?

[DaisyCloud]

bit off topic but a bit not.. umm guys.. i am freaked out as all get out. I was going through Flanders iso u know all set to make the case and then I heard a chicken clucking. it scared me to death. I freaking chicken in my room. it is 2:30am as I type this. I can't make this stuff up.

okay. so idk if that means he isn't scum or that means he is.

well I'm not voting Flanders so there u go. I promise you this is real and not some made up thing for the game and theatrics.

scotty. okay so new plan is going to look at my scum leans. Gavial, made and and

then think about monkey, nacho and Enrique, qwags and quin. . those 3 are slankers and last 2 kinda post but don't. doing nothing. a town could be in there. not emoght to lynch them.

I do not like qwags and gavial the most.

I only saw 1 game with Gavial. we both were town. he is playing so different here. he seemed more contributing in last game.

is he going on about sk because he is sk? my tin foily potatoe sheep 1 brain cell left of a brain thinks so but my right toe says I'm wrong.

and Marmot seems more contributing this game. he has alot of fluff but he seems to be doing stuff.

I can take a stand.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Mac/Falcon/Daisy/Flanders/Some last dude

That’s my guess.

why Flanders and falcon? what got u sussing about them? did you have a previous sus on Mac? or is this something new?

[KZA]

What if we took Boknows to end game?

I like him, and he's been dying early a lot recently

Him always being a wolf lately makes me leery of this plan. I like him too, but that smilin' seal is a demon.

wow thanks for quoting that

can we turbo Made? like where is the solving

[Long Con]

Like fuck eh. Qwags - always mafia even if he isnt. He sure as hell looks like it now.

This is a problem for me Flanders.

I have people on my home site that "are always mafia even when they aren't." Two different kinds in fact.

There's me. I start every game wrapped in so much tinfoil because of my past behavior that I have to come out the gate fending of a "just in case" chop. You saw the Syn tunnel day one here. That's one kind of "always mafia" to be pushed, but that's obviously not what you are saying about Qwags.

The other kind is the low hanging fruit kind. Always gets chopped early because no matter who the wolf team is they are comfortable that they can. Just...always easy to suss and doesn't have a really strong skillset for "towning it up" to get off the hook. People know that they could just slank that to a win, so they are always inclined to just early chop "just in case" and because "can't have that at end game."

So I get it. But if someone from my home site like that is here I am shielding them, at least partially, because even this early on town can't afford to just throw away a chop. Maybe I'm mad at them for not being able to fend off mischops. Maybe I'm saying "this is just a lhf thing and everyone needs to take a breath here." Maybe a lot of things. But one thing I am NOT doing is saying "looks wolfy, charge!!!" because I would be first in line saying "they always look wolfy though."

You are the one saying that they always look wolfy, but at the same time you seem to be leading the chop with nothing more than "because they look wolfy." That's a not really towny contradiction to me.

Please consider and respond.

Yes. Good thoughts for a 5 am dog puke wakeup.

[DaisyCloud]

Daisy is so town wow

I'm putting her right below Syn and just above Scotty on my reads list

I almost hope shes actually a wolf so I get humbled and have to do a KZA redemption arc

I just chocgodogdd

sorry I cussed

I'm town, I promise. I'm too stressed or dumb, actually both to be wolf.

just be town too so I can say im smart about something. okay thanks

@KZA

Don’t be fooled.
There’s a different between AI and real strong Townie Playstyle.
Daisy has a real strong Townie Playstyle which is NAI.

have you seen my scum games? if so what games did u read? iirc we only played one game together and I randed town.

how am I being real strong townie playstyle but not townie?

[Long Con]

I would talk more about the Shrines in order to help the town coordinate better, but it's tough when different townfolk interact in different ways.

For all I know, my visit to Namira could do vastly different things than your visit to Namira. I know that some players have specific Shrines they can visit, and I think they know what those Shrines will do for them. Others, like me, don't have specific Shrines, and interact with them in different ways. I went to a Shrine last night and got nothing, not even a PM saying "nothing happened".

Are the Shrines geared toward their Daedric whatever things? I went to Hircine because it's the Shrine of "the hunt", so I figured it's a lock for getting a track or some way to hunt wolves. Maybe that would work for someone else though. Maybe Meridia's "light and vital energy" will result in a protect. Maybe Hermaeus Mora would provide the player with more knowledge about the game, or even knowledge in a cop-style fashion?

I can't know right now, but maybe some other players do know, am I on the right track at all with this?

[Long Con]

What if we took Boknows to end game?

I like him, and he's been dying early a lot recently

Him always being a wolf lately makes me leery of this plan. I like him too, but that smilin' seal is a demon.

wow thanks for quoting that

can we turbo Made? like where is the solving

I have no argument against that course of action.

[DaisyCloud]

how come syn and tim are voting out Marmot. and so is qwags and Made.

and iirc several say made and qwags are real sus. but like tim and syn are real townie.

how come several people don't like Enrique and think he is mafia but not voting him. and nacho, who is voting him is supposed to be sus?

how come tim thinks the voting looks good? what about the voting looks good?

This attitude is similar to my current view of the game. I'm happy to have a few townreads, but I haven't figured out who I think is bad yet. I feel like a lot of posts aren't that alignment-readable maybe... or maybe I skimmed through too much while tired. I think of Qwags for instance, and people loling and saying "Who is Quags?" comes to mind, or how about Mac's bunch of GIFs and votes without explanation. I think he has a whole team of suspects, from that post where he voted 5 players at once. I don't know why, I don't know if he's joking around or if he's just scum and wants to muddy the waters while relaxing in GIF-ville. I do think he could do a better job communicating and that he might not be posting in good faith.

Jack's rhymes are sick, but his obsession with Tim doesn't work for me at all. He just calls everything Tim says a lie, whoop-de-doo, but why?

I don't like Jack's rhymes. and, yeah Mac could use more memes/pictures to convey whst he needs to say. the gifs seem more vague.

and yeah jack does more of a this is bad but not say why. and he does thst when he thinks something is good too. like it means 0 if you don't explain why or how. sorry not sorry that just your word on it isn't enough. and last I checked song lyrics can be more then just 2-3 lines. same with poems. I get it's annoying to ppst in rhyme but if he was actually town and seems like sus by many he would put in more efforts.

since we are talking about both players I think Mac has done more to convey his process in the limits he has then jack. or wait actually it's the same. and jack can actually text and stuff. that probably sounds extremely harsh.

[KZA]

I would talk more about the Shrines in order to help the town coordinate better, but it's tough when different townfolk interact in different ways.

For all I know, my visit to Namira could do vastly different things than your visit to Namira. I know that some players have specific Shrines they can visit, and I think they know what those Shrines will do for them. Others, like me, don't have specific Shrines, and interact with them in different ways. I went to a Shrine last night and got nothing, not even a PM saying "nothing happened".

Are the Shrines geared toward their Daedric whatever things? I went to Hircine because it's the Shrine of "the hunt", so I figured it's a lock for getting a track or some way to hunt wolves. Maybe that would work for someone else though. Maybe Meridia's "light and vital energy" will result in a protect. Maybe Hermaeus Mora would provide the player with more knowledge about the game, or even knowledge in a cop-style fashion?

I can't know right now, but maybe some other players do know, am I on the right track at all with this?

yes the highlighted part is certainly correct, one of my abilities heavily implies it

unfortunately I don't know much about the flavour

[DaisyCloud]

@Enrique @Nachomamma8 @lost monkey @Quin @Qwags

guys/gals come and play.

[Marmot]

What if we took Boknows to end game?

I like him, and he's been dying early a lot recently

Him always being a wolf lately makes me leery of this plan. I like him too, but that smilin' seal is a demon.

wow thanks for quoting that

can we turbo Made? like where is the solving

I endorse this. His vote for me was opportunistic and his presence has been lacking.

[Marmot]

I don't remember which shrine I went to last night (not the chaos one), but I didn't learn anything worth sharing.

[Marmot]

how come syn and tim are voting out Marmot. and so is qwags and Made.

and iirc several say made and qwags are real sus. but like tim and syn are real townie.

how come several people don't like Enrique and think he is mafia but not voting him. and nacho, who is voting him is supposed to be sus?

how come tim thinks the voting looks good? what about the voting looks good?

This attitude is similar to my current view of the game. I'm happy to have a few townreads, but I haven't figured out who I think is bad yet. I feel like a lot of posts aren't that alignment-readable maybe... or maybe I skimmed through too much while tired. I think of Qwags for instance, and people loling and saying "Who is Quags?" comes to mind, or how about Mac's bunch of GIFs and votes without explanation. I think he has a whole team of suspects, from that post where he voted 5 players at once. I don't know why, I don't know if he's joking around or if he's just scum and wants to muddy the waters while relaxing in GIF-ville. I do think he could do a better job communicating and that he might not be posting in good faith.

Jack's rhymes are sick, but his obsession with Tim doesn't work for me at all. He just calls everything Tim says a lie, whoop-de-doo, but why?

I don't like Jack's rhymes. and, yeah Mac could use more memes/pictures to convey whst he needs to say. the gifs seem more vague.

and yeah jack does more of a this is bad but not say why. and he does thst when he thinks something is good too. like it means 0 if you don't explain why or how. sorry not sorry that just your word on it isn't enough. and last I checked song lyrics can be more then just 2-3 lines. same with poems. I get it's annoying to ppst in rhyme but if he was actually town and seems like sus by many he would put in more efforts.

since we are talking about both players I think Mac has done more to convey his process in the limits he has then jack. or wait actually it's the same. and jack can actually text and stuff. that probably sounds extremely harsh.

That's what I thought too until I actually went back and ISOd Jack. Are you seeing something different?

[Marmot]

@Stupid Sexy Flanders do you have any scumreads on anyone not named Qwags?

[Marmot]

Oh, tim already asked that question (Syn plz don't remind me)

[Syn]

Yeah murder Gavial too

Didn't know they made faucets that dispense shit

i love kza

[Syn]

Tim did strongly imply he was on a post count. So I’ll need to go back sometime later and see how strong his scum read of marmot really is.

And I’m not gonna @ her about it, but Daisy could vote for...someone she finds suspicious at this point instead of a parked no-vote. There’s no a hammer, don’t be shy.

tim's not on a post count, he was just a tired baby yesterday after staying up and waking up early

[Syn]

Too many slots I'm ready to policy kill just because its game throwing to have them at end game

Step the fuck up if you're town

It’s not game throwing to have me around if I can become lock town or at least high town.

i think you're already high, gavial

[Syn]

Like I’m still doing more then some others Ngl.
Only reason I’d be “never allowed to end game” is if current suspensions of me stay in place.

Of which I’d agree and yeah at that point it’s probably better to get rid of me then not or I’m just that easy ML for scum to the win.

Just please let us lower down scum’s numbers before that happens because I don’t wanna lose to the full 5 stack.

if we chop you, we'd get to lose to a 4 stack instead