The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[falcon45ca]

irl or in-game?

Why so anxious buddy boy?

I'm not ready to die

Why are you voting for yourself?

Placeholder vote

There like no way Falcon would ask this question as town.

FALCON KNOWS BOKNOWS DOES THIS EVERY GAME!

Good SK targets: Falcon, Daisy, Flanders and Mac

Stab in there SK!

You're doing the exact same thing as Beelzebub & it's fucking annoying as hell

[Scotty]

We caught him boys!
He claims mafia has mafia like abilities!
Vote Flanders!

Like honestly where TF did Thief come from? lol.

oh my GOD

Your welcome!

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[Marmot]

So we've got Kza, Syn and TSP essentially cleared.

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there. But thats some tinfoil so I'm gonna keep him in the town pile.
He line strikes BK, so, guess BK is tp.

Kza
Syn
TSP
Mac
BK

Tim could just be fooling me, but he feels towny. Same kinda goes for quin and Scotty. Both feel towny.

Falc is a bit of a puzzle rn. Maybe it's just I havent played with him for a while, but his style does feel different. Still gotta town side him for now.

Enrique
Long Con
Marmot
Occupy that awkward, uneasy null space

Jack and nachomamma scum leaning.

PoE

Kyle
Daisy
Monkey
Made
Gavial

Thats where I'm at.

This is a scummy post

You start by admitting the possibility of Mac being bad, but then directly contradict it by saying it’s tinfoily, and putting him in your town pile, even though you have an awkward null space.

What does “line strike” mean? And when did Mac do that to BK?

Tinfoil =/= direct contradiction of a townread, then again I do the same thing.

[Syn]

Marmot do you have any current thoughts and not just quotes of things that happened twenty pages ago where you say things that were already said by three other people

[falcon45ca]

So we've got Kza, Syn and TSP essentially cleared.

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there. But thats some tinfoil so I'm gonna keep him in the town pile.
He line strikes BK, so, guess BK is tp.

Kza
Syn
TSP
Mac
BK

Tim could just be fooling me, but he feels towny. Same kinda goes for quin and Scotty. Both feel towny.

Falc is a bit of a puzzle rn. Maybe it's just I havent played with him for a while, but his style does feel different. Still gotta town side him for now.

Enrique
Long Con
Marmot
Occupy that awkward, uneasy null space

Jack and nachomamma scum leaning.

PoE

Kyle
Daisy
Monkey
Made
Gavial

Thats where I'm at.

This is a scummy post

You start by admitting the possibility of Mac being bad, but then directly contradict it by saying it’s tinfoily, and putting him in your town pile, even though you have an awkward null space.

What does “line strike” mean? And when did Mac do that to BK?

It actually reads like towny LL to me.

[Marmot]

irl or in-game?

Why so anxious buddy boy?

I'm not ready to die

Why are you voting for yourself?

Placeholder vote

There like no way Falcon would ask this question as town.

FALCON KNOWS BOKNOWS DOES THIS EVERY GAME!

Good SK targets: Falcon, Daisy, Flanders and Mac

Stab in there SK!

I looked at BoKnows history of self-voting

Fargo Mafia: Mafia, self-voted Day 1

AIM Mafia: Town, no self-vote, yeeted Day 1
Bee Mafia: Mafia, no self-vote
Spiderverse Mafia: Mafia, no self-vote, vigged Day 2
Shadow Corridors: Mafia, no self-vote, replaced out


This is only based on votes called out in the thread, but he does not do this every game.

[Marmot]

Also BK, do you ever rand town?

[Marmot]

Marmot do you have any current thoughts and not just quotes of things that happened twenty pages ago where you say things that were already said by three other people

Why you make such blanket untrue statements Syn?

Is there something specific you want my opinion on?

[Kylemii]

The artifact list implies pretty heavily that there is a 3P (rogue) and the way the description of the Mace of Molag Bal ends in [secrets] has me pretty worried. I kinda think the wolves should be worried about that too, given that my last Sloonei game featured TWO 3ps with "win solo" opportunities.

is this a slip

Oh give it a rest. I read the OP stuff. So sure, now I have "TMI" because I know more than you about the setup.

lol it was a joke because you said "the wolves should be worried too" instead of "town should be worried too"

The town is already worried, because I am town, ya daft. We knew the town was worried because you, me, and someone else were discussing it, and I know I am town and you are green checked.

you could always say kza is my partner and fake clearing me

why are we bookmarking this @Kylemii ?

it's where my stopping point was and my starting point is

I missed like 500 posts during dnd night

[Scotty]

did Alison or Nanook post in day 1 if they knew or not about shrines or anything?

how would they know anything

was my question not coherent?

well, your question seems kind of silly

you're asking if two uninformed villagers had special information regarding shrines on D1 before any actions

There was some back and forth on day one because some people (and Alison was included) could see on their own role cards that different shrines do different things for them, where other people do not have that on their cards...example, Seanzie. I was in that discussion because my role card actually makes no mention at all of what the shrines do, and apparently the shrines themselves do not do anything for me. I make money based on the number of people that visit the shrine I visit, and then I get to buy things...if I live long enough and make good choices, neither of which seems likely at this point since I only made one sale N1.

Anyway, the back and forth was because people seeing "this shrine does that" had immediate suspicions about people who did not have that on their cards, and vice versa. But it got worked out as (most likely) NAI.

This role sounds mercenary-ish and I’m now reading you as indie.

Which in the current climate means you’ll probably be nominated for best picture but i digress

[Syn]

Marmot do you have any current thoughts and not just quotes of things that happened twenty pages ago where you say things that were already said by three other people

Why you make such blanket untrue statements Syn?

Is there something specific you want my opinion on?

I have no intention of giving you the answer, no. You're certainly capable enough of coming up with something yourself.

[Marmot]

Obligatory Rush post

[Syn]

did Alison or Nanook post in day 1 if they knew or not about shrines or anything?

how would they know anything

was my question not coherent?

well, your question seems kind of silly

you're asking if two uninformed villagers had special information regarding shrines on D1 before any actions

There was some back and forth on day one because some people (and Alison was included) could see on their own role cards that different shrines do different things for them, where other people do not have that on their cards...example, Seanzie. I was in that discussion because my role card actually makes no mention at all of what the shrines do, and apparently the shrines themselves do not do anything for me. I make money based on the number of people that visit the shrine I visit, and then I get to buy things...if I live long enough and make good choices, neither of which seems likely at this point since I only made one sale N1.

Anyway, the back and forth was because people seeing "this shrine does that" had immediate suspicions about people who did not have that on their cards, and vice versa. But it got worked out as (most likely) NAI.

This role sounds mercenary-ish and I’m now reading you as indie.

Which in the current climate means you’ll probably be nominated for best picture but i digress

Game of Champs this year had a purchaser role and it was town.

[Scotty]

hello Marmot! why do you think MacDougall think u r scum?

There's never been a game where Mac doesn't scumread me, and his accusation didn't say much (but it was a picture so I guess that's bound to happen).

What do you think of it?

What do you think of Mac?

[DaisyCloud]

Falcon outing himself as Mafia for us, very kind

You're welcome

You know Daisy's vote ended on Seanzie still, right? How is that distancing?

No, I did not know that. Is there egg on my face?


What's her rationale behind her EOD posts then?

I was thinking: oh dang I have been parking my vote on seanzie. tbf I still scum read him but was I right? plus iirc I saw Alison say something about vague last minute soft claims ate bogus or some such. so I was like wait did seanzie claim? then i took my vote off. still rmtryung to skim the game and catch up. (I'm still not Caught up by the way) eod was getting ever closer. I posted asking about seanzie. iirc tim said something. I did see any reason to vote elsewhere so I voted seanzie again.

anyway. im still reading the thread. im in page 31. so I'm getting close to being caught up. ttyl8r ♡

I can't find the post from falcon45ca that I wanted to reply to.

but.. @falcon45ca what about LongCon that bothers you? was it just him sheeping his vote?

I get looking at the seanzie wagon and trying to see if wolf voted there and if so then who it could be.

far as I know, no one did a vc analysis. idk how to do one. at the site where I learned/started out in TvMs (what we call mafia games. it means Town vs Mafia) we had 1 guy make one and gave a barebones explanation on how to do it. something to do with the lynch person's flip. you look at early votes, mud votes and end votes and then the hammer iirc. and typically (rule of thumb) mafia is in one of those places and like town. but who is supposedly supposed to be a which slot idk/i don't remember. oorc other wagons you can put vc analysis on too? or no?

I had a point. .. my point, so u scumbly me and LongCon and it was the voting thing, right? or no?

LC pinged me for the sheep vote of not only Sean, but what I saw as sheeping a Marmot push by Syn as well. He'd also had very little (only 1) independent mention of a player being scummy (Kyle). He explained his rationale since then, and I'm satisfied with his explanation to give him some space to hunt for now.


Your posting at EOD comes across as distancing to me. Putting your vote back on doesn't preclude that, it could easily just be an excuse for scum to keep their vote on a mislynch while appearing to solve the slot thru other means. Others have defended you, but I'd like to hear from you what was going on in your head at the time.

..okay so I can kinda see that it be scummy that I took my vote off and then took my vote back on.

but I feel like I'm a better player then to make such and obvious slip.

it went like I said. imma explain things in more detail. I saw Alison say something about softing last minute is a no go sean still sus. I had Alison’s as null/leaning town at that time. I took my own vote off just to be sure and continued to skim to catch up. I did read back a bit couldn't find where sean sorted. it was getting close to eod. I remember asking of sean claimed. tim answered about it I put my vote back on.

in hindsight I should have isoed sean and looked for the claim or soft or whatever. if I had seen him say earlier about dawnbreaker I would have unvoted. it was crunch time tho and the way I see it a mislynch day 1 is better then no lynch.

I didn't get back to u earlier because it was late and other people were talking. my bad.

[Syn]

Falcon outing himself as Mafia for us, very kind

You're welcome

You know Daisy's vote ended on Seanzie still, right? How is that distancing?

No, I did not know that. Is there egg on my face?


What's her rationale behind her EOD posts then?

I was thinking: oh dang I have been parking my vote on seanzie. tbf I still scum read him but was I right? plus iirc I saw Alison say something about vague last minute soft claims ate bogus or some such. so I was like wait did seanzie claim? then i took my vote off. still rmtryung to skim the game and catch up. (I'm still not Caught up by the way) eod was getting ever closer. I posted asking about seanzie. iirc tim said something. I did see any reason to vote elsewhere so I voted seanzie again.

anyway. im still reading the thread. im in page 31. so I'm getting close to being caught up. ttyl8r ♡

I can't find the post from falcon45ca that I wanted to reply to.

but.. @falcon45ca what about LongCon that bothers you? was it just him sheeping his vote?

I get looking at the seanzie wagon and trying to see if wolf voted there and if so then who it could be.

far as I know, no one did a vc analysis. idk how to do one. at the site where I learned/started out in TvMs (what we call mafia games. it means Town vs Mafia) we had 1 guy make one and gave a barebones explanation on how to do it. something to do with the lynch person's flip. you look at early votes, mud votes and end votes and then the hammer iirc. and typically (rule of thumb) mafia is in one of those places and like town. but who is supposedly supposed to be a which slot idk/i don't remember. oorc other wagons you can put vc analysis on too? or no?

I had a point. .. my point, so u scumbly me and LongCon and it was the voting thing, right? or no?

LC pinged me for the sheep vote of not only Sean, but what I saw as sheeping a Marmot push by Syn as well. He'd also had very little (only 1) independent mention of a player being scummy (Kyle). He explained his rationale since then, and I'm satisfied with his explanation to give him some space to hunt for now.


Your posting at EOD comes across as distancing to me. Putting your vote back on doesn't preclude that, it could easily just be an excuse for scum to keep their vote on a mislynch while appearing to solve the slot thru other means. Others have defended you, but I'd like to hear from you what was going on in your head at the time.

..okay so I can kinda see that it be scummy that I took my vote off and then took my vote back on.

but I feel like I'm a better player then to make such and obvious slip.

it went like I said. imma explain things in more detail. I saw Alison say something about softing last minute is a no go sean still sus. I had Alison’s as null/leaning town at that time. I took my own vote off just to be sure and continued to skim to catch up. I did read back a bit couldn't find where sean sorted. it was getting close to eod. I remember asking of sean claimed. tim answered about it I put my vote back on.

in hindsight I should have isoed sean and looked for the claim or soft or whatever. if I had seen him say earlier about dawnbreaker I would have unvoted. it was crunch time tho and the way I see it a mislynch day 1 is better then no lynch.

I didn't get back to u earlier because it was late and other people were talking. my bad.

Seanzie claimed after the vote was locked. His claim before lock was that he could resolve himself D2.

[DaisyCloud]

I feel like yall really set the bar low on me. and I get it im a hot mess, however the nit picky things im getting sus about makes me look like this my first day randing mafia. and I lowkey/highly kinda get it but I, I .. just like to think if I had randed scum I would not slip like this.

I am town and idk everything and Don't claim to know anything, Yet. and rl and circumstances went like how it went so I did what I did thinking it was best at the time.

[Marmot]

Marmot do you have any current thoughts and not just quotes of things that happened twenty pages ago where you say things that were already said by three other people

Why you make such blanket untrue statements Syn?

Is there something specific you want my opinion on?

I have no intention of giving you the answer, no. You're certainly capable enough of coming up with something yourself.

I don't like your original post. It's the second time this game you've backhanded me this game, and I don't see the issue here. If you want my thoughts on something, I'll give them to you. I have been posting my thoughts. I don't see a problem with responding to something that came from pages ago, I'm not going to completely ignore everything that's not the last two pages. If three other people have already said the same thing? I don't really know that if I'm in the middle of catching up.

I'd prefer if you could address the concerns you have specifically. Do you have an issue with people responding to something from earlier in the thread? Or is it that it's already been talked about?

[DaisyCloud]

Falcon outing himself as Mafia for us, very kind

You're welcome

You know Daisy's vote ended on Seanzie still, right? How is that distancing?

No, I did not know that. Is there egg on my face?


What's her rationale behind her EOD posts then?

I was thinking: oh dang I have been parking my vote on seanzie. tbf I still scum read him but was I right? plus iirc I saw Alison say something about vague last minute soft claims ate bogus or some such. so I was like wait did seanzie claim? then i took my vote off. still rmtryung to skim the game and catch up. (I'm still not Caught up by the way) eod was getting ever closer. I posted asking about seanzie. iirc tim said something. I did see any reason to vote elsewhere so I voted seanzie again.

anyway. im still reading the thread. im in page 31. so I'm getting close to being caught up. ttyl8r ♡

I can't find the post from falcon45ca that I wanted to reply to.

but.. @falcon45ca what about LongCon that bothers you? was it just him sheeping his vote?

I get looking at the seanzie wagon and trying to see if wolf voted there and if so then who it could be.

far as I know, no one did a vc analysis. idk how to do one. at the site where I learned/started out in TvMs (what we call mafia games. it means Town vs Mafia) we had 1 guy make one and gave a barebones explanation on how to do it. something to do with the lynch person's flip. you look at early votes, mud votes and end votes and then the hammer iirc. and typically (rule of thumb) mafia is in one of those places and like town. but who is supposedly supposed to be a which slot idk/i don't remember. oorc other wagons you can put vc analysis on too? or no?

I had a point. .. my point, so u scumbly me and LongCon and it was the voting thing, right? or no?

LC pinged me for the sheep vote of not only Sean, but what I saw as sheeping a Marmot push by Syn as well. He'd also had very little (only 1) independent mention of a player being scummy (Kyle). He explained his rationale since then, and I'm satisfied with his explanation to give him some space to hunt for now.


Your posting at EOD comes across as distancing to me. Putting your vote back on doesn't preclude that, it could easily just be an excuse for scum to keep their vote on a mislynch while appearing to solve the slot thru other means. Others have defended you, but I'd like to hear from you what was going on in your head at the time.

..okay so I can kinda see that it be scummy that I took my vote off and then took my vote back on.

but I feel like I'm a better player then to make such and obvious slip.

it went like I said. imma explain things in more detail. I saw Alison say something about softing last minute is a no go sean still sus. I had Alison’s as null/leaning town at that time. I took my own vote off just to be sure and continued to skim to catch up. I did read back a bit couldn't find where sean sorted. it was getting close to eod. I remember asking of sean claimed. tim answered about it I put my vote back on.

in hindsight I should have isoed sean and looked for the claim or soft or whatever. if I had seen him say earlier about dawnbreaker I would have unvoted. it was crunch time tho and the way I see it a mislynch day 1 is better then no lynch.

I didn't get back to u earlier because it was late and other people were talking. my bad.

Seanzie claimed after the vote was locked. His claim before lock was that he could resolve himself D2.

oh okay.

[DaisyCloud]

also im washing money now? what is the next tier called and how many posts I need to get there?

[Syn]

Marmot do you have any current thoughts and not just quotes of things that happened twenty pages ago where you say things that were already said by three other people

Why you make such blanket untrue statements Syn?

Is there something specific you want my opinion on?

I have no intention of giving you the answer, no. You're certainly capable enough of coming up with something yourself.

I don't like your original post. It's the second time this game you've backhanded me this game, and I don't see the issue here. If you want my thoughts on something, I'll give them to you. I have been posting my thoughts. I don't see a problem with responding to something that came from pages ago, I'm not going to completely ignore everything that's not the last two pages. If three other people have already said the same thing? I don't really know that if I'm in the middle of catching up.

I'd prefer if you could address the concerns you have specifically. Do you have an issue with people responding to something from earlier in the thread? Or is it that it's already been talked about?

just like the first time you said this, it's not a backhand if I am directly addressing you

the issue is that you're saying nothing new

you're safely uninvolved in the discourse

you have no stakes in the conversation if you're just rehashing things already addressed long ago

it distracts from the current and forces everyone to redo the past

marmot is posting and replying to people! well, no, not really. marmot is looking at things that happened before and has just rewritten a few replies made by other people to project the image of confrontation and involvement.

[DaisyCloud]

so syn is going to do this with Marmot today? day 1 it was tim iirc.

how come when tim and syn do it, it's okay.

but me and Kyle it was scummy? and the thing about Kyle and I, lol I literally think we just had mistakes on things or something. I don't even know.

[Syn]

so syn is going to do this with Marmot today? day 1 it was tim iirc.

how come when tim and syn do it, it's okay.

but me and Kyle it was scummy? and the thing about Kyle and I, lol I literally think we just had mistakes on things or something. I don't even know.

do what

[Syn]

daisy: syn is a tier above me, if he slacks even a minute he's wolf

also daisy: syn has replied to someone, seems kinda sus

what would you like me to do, daisy, if pressuring marmot is an affront

[Syn]

do you think marmot should be comfortable with *looks at handwriting on palm* saying Made is a wolf who's given up and is game-throwing D1 and then coming in D2 with suitably safe noises about things that happened much earlier in the day that don't push the game state forward

does that spark joy for you

[BoKnows]

So we've got Kza, Syn and TSP essentially cleared.

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there. But thats some tinfoil so I'm gonna keep him in the town pile.
He line strikes BK, so, guess BK is tp.

Kza
Syn
TSP
Mac
BK

Tim could just be fooling me, but he feels towny. Same kinda goes for quin and Scotty. Both feel towny.

Falc is a bit of a puzzle rn. Maybe it's just I havent played with him for a while, but his style does feel different. Still gotta town side him for now.

Enrique
Long Con
Marmot
Occupy that awkward, uneasy null space

Jack and nachomamma scum leaning.

PoE

Kyle
Daisy
Monkey
Made
Gavial

Thats where I'm at.

This is a scummy post

You start by admitting the possibility of Mac being bad, but then directly contradict it by saying it’s tinfoily, and putting him in your town pile, even though you have an awkward null space.

What does “line strike” mean? And when did Mac do that to BK?

It actually reads like towny LL to me.

I agree. Just looks like Lucky is trying to make sense of everything

irl or in-game?

Why so anxious buddy boy?

I'm not ready to die

Why are you voting for yourself?

Placeholder vote

There like no way Falcon would ask this question as town.

FALCON KNOWS BOKNOWS DOES THIS EVERY GAME!

Good SK targets: Falcon, Daisy, Flanders and Mac

Stab in there SK!

I looked at BoKnows history of self-voting

Fargo Mafia: Mafia, self-voted Day 1

AIM Mafia: Town, no self-vote, yeeted Day 1
Bee Mafia: Mafia, no self-vote
Spiderverse Mafia: Mafia, no self-vote, vigged Day 2
Shadow Corridors: Mafia, no self-vote, replaced out


This is only based on votes called out in the thread, but he does not do this every game.

Just started this habit in Fargo

Also BK, do you ever rand town?

Occasionally

[Kylemii]

I'll lock in the Seanzie as a sheepy kind of thing. Fingers crossed.

Hmmmm. Why Seanzie over the other wagons you could've easily sheeped? Why sheep at all, didn't you have some scum reads of your own to push?


Imm check

For what it's worth, it's weird af that my scummy ass didn't get wagonned yesterday and it's weirder that Tim almost did, and I say that as town. if sean was town too, maybe the fix was in earlier than EOD, when we were selecting wagons? Who voted tim yesterday? Do people still sus read him? why?

Spoiler: show

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[Syn]

I'm the one who pushed Tim and defended Made, so unless Made is going to suggest KZA+Syn as his solve, that slant is going to fall flat

[Gavial]

irl or in-game?

Why so anxious buddy boy?

I'm not ready to die

Why are you voting for yourself?

Placeholder vote

There like no way Falcon would ask this question as town.

FALCON KNOWS BOKNOWS DOES THIS EVERY GAME!

Good SK targets: Falcon, Daisy, Flanders and Mac

Stab in there SK!

You're doing the exact same thing as Beelzebub & it's fucking annoying as hell

So your calling me town?
Nice!

[Timsup2nothin]

Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA

Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?

well you can potentially buy stuff if what you say is true. I'm thinking artifacts and such? ifk how that would work but you would buy actions? roles? abilities? if im understanding your role correctly it seems op too.

if you look at Sloonei's opening post. he explained that there is a cool down to visit a shrine. so players can visit multiple shrines. also some artifacts do different things depending 9n which faction has it.

I'm sorry if anything I said is stuff you already know.

idk if what Gavial is saying is true. what I don't like is he. made a claim but with only a little pressure. iirc he softed early day 2. I don't get why he did that. if he was/is town and does have these nite actions, then why not clear himself in other ways? was the sus from you and the teeny handful of others thst intimidating?

if he is a wolf it was good play done in a bad way.

I don't see him getting resolved. if he isn't lynched then going forward if he is wolf he can hedge by hemming and hawing thst he was rbed in some way or "forced to visit a different shrine" etc. if he isn't lynched and he is town, wolves will provide nk him or rb him or whatever. if he isn't nk he be potentially up for chopping block again.

If I collect enough I can buy a health potion that will protect me from a night kill. At the current rate I will be able to buy that for night ten. I will have to decide between that and an "ebony paralysis dart" that is a one time role block...but that decision is very far away so I am not giving it much thought. If I had gone to the Sheogorath shrine and made four sales lat night instead of one maybe I would be feeling a little OP...but as it stands I am feeling pretty vanilla.

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Not ready to vote Gavail, but all by himself he makes the Marmot wagon too sketchy for me. Made, why you say you were gonna do better then gimmick, and then you gimmick?

What useful reads do you have to contribute?

I'm try this thing this game where instead of trying to solve the game hard I try to make friends and solve the game via the power of friendship!! I want to be the kinda slot that scum wants to kill before we make it to lylo, and If I make it, be a candidate for the cleared player who picks between 2 potentially scummy players trope

Pro tip: reads are like gifts, and giving them will win you friends.

The "not gonna try hard and be pushing and demanding" is great...like I am trying to steer my game that way a bit too...but that doesn't include "yeah not giving reads just take a wild guess about my alignment." That's actually unfriendly, and to survive you gotta luck into a green check.

I don't think "unfriendly" is the right term to use here, even if it just happens to be the opposite of what Made says he's doing.

I picked it exclusively because it was the opposite word to Made's stated goal, and meant no offense.

[Timsup2nothin]

Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA

Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?

I'm not sure, I dont think its unreasonable that the town roles could have varying degrees of strength

Basically what I'm saying is I wouldn't bank on it as the main point in a case, since it's not that hard to imagine it as just a strong town role

Okay, I can agree there. It does seem odd to me still that such a powerful role exists when the setup says that roles were randed independently of alignments. Really powerful roles that can then be randomly assigned to either the town or the wolf team are really hard to balance around. If you look at the artifacts the really powerful ones were assigned to either the wolves or the 3P...and if a town watcher/tracker was part of the balance against that but said watcher tracker could have randed to the wolves....<shrug>

I kinda am looking forward to being dead and discussing all this with Sloonei tbh, because I am fascinated.

[DaisyCloud]

daisy: syn is a tier above me, if he slacks even a minute he's wolf

also daisy: syn has replied to someone, seems kinda sus

what would you like me to do, daisy, if pressuring marmot is an affront

do you think marmot should be comfortable with *looks at handwriting on palm* saying Made is a wolf who's given up and is game-throwing D1 and then coming in D2 with suitably safe noises about things that happened much earlier in the day that don't push the game state forward

does that spark joy for you

huh. so I think it's reasonable for players to have certain kinds of expectations when another player gets a supposed clear. and it isn't shade or anything to voice them.

and iirc you tim and Sean had some long back and forths. so idk y u r acting like rhst didn't occur.

if this is just you needing moar from marmot then okay my bad. carry on.

I mean you do u I guess.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Of course I didn’t investigate Tim
Chaos and copping? Don’t be so dim.
He’s still a wolf in my book ya know
So that’s where I’m voting hey hey hee ho

[Timsup2nothin]

I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.

Aaaaaand, you didn't use this watcher shrine N1 because?

Ok seeing as I’m asking these questions after they e happened ima let the big guns do it

Wait...are you saying I am a big gun? That may be a problem since today I am a very busy gun and may disappear almost completely once I am done answering pings.

Scotty, you have the bridge!

[Timsup2nothin]

is this a slip

Oh give it a rest. I read the OP stuff. So sure, now I have "TMI" because I know more than you about the setup.

lol it was a joke because you said "the wolves should be worried too" instead of "town should be worried too"

The town is already worried, because I am town, ya daft. We knew the town was worried because you, me, and someone else were discussing it, and I know I am town and you are green checked.

you could always say kza is my partner and fake clearing me

why are we bookmarking this @Kylemii ?

it's where my stopping point was and my starting point is

I missed like 500 posts during dnd night

LOLOLOL

Two words for you Kyle...

Note.

Pad.

I thought you were seeing something of game shaking significance in that post.

[Kylemii]

think gavial's right I'm not w/w with Mac

do you have a read on mac?

[Kylemii]

Oh give it a rest. I read the OP stuff. So sure, now I have "TMI" because I know more than you about the setup.

lol it was a joke because you said "the wolves should be worried too" instead of "town should be worried too"

The town is already worried, because I am town, ya daft. We knew the town was worried because you, me, and someone else were discussing it, and I know I am town and you are green checked.

you could always say kza is my partner and fake clearing me

why are we bookmarking this @Kylemii ?

it's where my stopping point was and my starting point is

I missed like 500 posts during dnd night

LOLOLOL

Two words for you Kyle...

Note.

Pad.

I thought you were seeing something of game shaking significance in that post.

my notepad app is too full of song titles and bands and dnd character ideas and grocery lists that if i put anything important in there i'll never see it, or i'll spend an hour later trying to find an indie band called "page 41"

[Timsup2nothin]

did Alison or Nanook post in day 1 if they knew or not about shrines or anything?

how would they know anything

was my question not coherent?

well, your question seems kind of silly

you're asking if two uninformed villagers had special information regarding shrines on D1 before any actions

There was some back and forth on day one because some people (and Alison was included) could see on their own role cards that different shrines do different things for them, where other people do not have that on their cards...example, Seanzie. I was in that discussion because my role card actually makes no mention at all of what the shrines do, and apparently the shrines themselves do not do anything for me. I make money based on the number of people that visit the shrine I visit, and then I get to buy things...if I live long enough and make good choices, neither of which seems likely at this point since I only made one sale N1.

Anyway, the back and forth was because people seeing "this shrine does that" had immediate suspicions about people who did not have that on their cards, and vice versa. But it got worked out as (most likely) NAI.

This role sounds mercenary-ish and I’m now reading you as indie.

Which in the current climate means you’ll probably be nominated for best picture but i digress

The town isn't allowed to have merchants?

I point once again, tiredly, to the setup materials that say the "roles" were randed independently from the alignments. I am taking that to mean that I randed as the merchant, and could have randed wolf, or 3P, or town from there. It is dangerous to make alignment assumptions based on roles, so please don't.

[Timsup2nothin]

lol it was a joke because you said "the wolves should be worried too" instead of "town should be worried too"

The town is already worried, because I am town, ya daft. We knew the town was worried because you, me, and someone else were discussing it, and I know I am town and you are green checked.

you could always say kza is my partner and fake clearing me

why are we bookmarking this @Kylemii ?

it's where my stopping point was and my starting point is

I missed like 500 posts during dnd night

LOLOLOL

Two words for you Kyle...

Note.

Pad.

I thought you were seeing something of game shaking significance in that post.

my notepad app is too full of song titles and bands and dnd character ideas and grocery lists that if i put anything important in there i'll never see it, or i'll spend an hour later trying to find an indie band called "page 41"

Well, Page 41 really slaps, so there are worse things that could happen.

[Syn]

Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA

Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?

well you can potentially buy stuff if what you say is true. I'm thinking artifacts and such? ifk how that would work but you would buy actions? roles? abilities? if im understanding your role correctly it seems op too.

if you look at Sloonei's opening post. he explained that there is a cool down to visit a shrine. so players can visit multiple shrines. also some artifacts do different things depending 9n which faction has it.

I'm sorry if anything I said is stuff you already know.

idk if what Gavial is saying is true. what I don't like is he. made a claim but with only a little pressure. iirc he softed early day 2. I don't get why he did that. if he was/is town and does have these nite actions, then why not clear himself in other ways? was the sus from you and the teeny handful of others thst intimidating?

if he is a wolf it was good play done in a bad way.

I don't see him getting resolved. if he isn't lynched then going forward if he is wolf he can hedge by hemming and hawing thst he was rbed in some way or "forced to visit a different shrine" etc. if he isn't lynched and he is town, wolves will provide nk him or rb him or whatever. if he isn't nk he be potentially up for chopping block again.

If I collect enough I can buy a health potion that will protect me from a night kill. At the current rate I will be able to buy that for night ten. I will have to decide between that and an "ebony paralysis dart" that is a one time role block...but that decision is very far away so I am not giving it much thought. If I had gone to the Sheogorath shrine and made four sales lat night instead of one maybe I would be feeling a little OP...but as it stands I am feeling pretty vanilla.

this is something I noticed in running Stardew Valley

You can give people choices, but they'll for some reason naturally gravitate toward one choice

Sloon's structuring of there being distinctly different results per shrine per type of player helps, but I think it'll still run into the same issue

the JOAT mechanic might help

your buy mechanic goes from "night 10" to "night 3" if you get lucky and pick the shrine most others went to

[Timsup2nothin]

Marmot do you have any current thoughts and not just quotes of things that happened twenty pages ago where you say things that were already said by three other people

Why you make such blanket untrue statements Syn?

Is there something specific you want my opinion on?

I have no intention of giving you the answer, no. You're certainly capable enough of coming up with something yourself.

I don't like your original post. It's the second time this game you've backhanded me this game, and I don't see the issue here. If you want my thoughts on something, I'll give them to you. I have been posting my thoughts. I don't see a problem with responding to something that came from pages ago, I'm not going to completely ignore everything that's not the last two pages. If three other people have already said the same thing? I don't really know that if I'm in the middle of catching up.

I'd prefer if you could address the concerns you have specifically. Do you have an issue with people responding to something from earlier in the thread? Or is it that it's already been talked about?

just like the first time you said this, it's not a backhand if I am directly addressing you

the issue is that you're saying nothing new

you're safely uninvolved in the discourse

you have no stakes in the conversation if you're just rehashing things already addressed long ago

it distracts from the current and forces everyone to redo the past

marmot is posting and replying to people! well, no, not really. marmot is looking at things that happened before and has just rewritten a few replies made by other people to project the image of confrontation and involvement.

Okay, sure.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Kylemii]

Yeah
Already explained my aversion to the monkey and his wolfy pop ins.

Can do that too Mac.

Something bout daisy tho. The daisy Kyle thing was overcooked.

[Syn]

think gavial's right I'm not w/w with Mac

do you have a read on mac?

skeptical but not overly worried

[Timsup2nothin]

Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA

Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?

well you can potentially buy stuff if what you say is true. I'm thinking artifacts and such? ifk how that would work but you would buy actions? roles? abilities? if im understanding your role correctly it seems op too.

if you look at Sloonei's opening post. he explained that there is a cool down to visit a shrine. so players can visit multiple shrines. also some artifacts do different things depending 9n which faction has it.

I'm sorry if anything I said is stuff you already know.

idk if what Gavial is saying is true. what I don't like is he. made a claim but with only a little pressure. iirc he softed early day 2. I don't get why he did that. if he was/is town and does have these nite actions, then why not clear himself in other ways? was the sus from you and the teeny handful of others thst intimidating?

if he is a wolf it was good play done in a bad way.

I don't see him getting resolved. if he isn't lynched then going forward if he is wolf he can hedge by hemming and hawing thst he was rbed in some way or "forced to visit a different shrine" etc. if he isn't lynched and he is town, wolves will provide nk him or rb him or whatever. if he isn't nk he be potentially up for chopping block again.

If I collect enough I can buy a health potion that will protect me from a night kill. At the current rate I will be able to buy that for night ten. I will have to decide between that and an "ebony paralysis dart" that is a one time role block...but that decision is very far away so I am not giving it much thought. If I had gone to the Sheogorath shrine and made four sales lat night instead of one maybe I would be feeling a little OP...but as it stands I am feeling pretty vanilla.

this is something I noticed in running Stardew Valley

You can give people choices, but they'll for some reason naturally gravitate toward one choice

Sloon's structuring of there being distinctly different results per shrine per type of player helps, but I think it'll still run into the same issue

the JOAT mechanic might help

your buy mechanic goes from "night 10" to "night 3" if you get lucky and pick the shrine most others went to

Yeah I get that. I really tried to game it out N1. Sanguine is the Daedric prince of debauchery and I figured there would be plenty of Syndicats there that I could sell...something...to. I maybe should have just let it rand...

[Kylemii]

sorry i got lost in the gif and forgot what i was doing and should have included a question mark as well, what do you mean by overcooked @Stupid Sexy Flanders

[Syn]

Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA

Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?

well you can potentially buy stuff if what you say is true. I'm thinking artifacts and such? ifk how that would work but you would buy actions? roles? abilities? if im understanding your role correctly it seems op too.

if you look at Sloonei's opening post. he explained that there is a cool down to visit a shrine. so players can visit multiple shrines. also some artifacts do different things depending 9n which faction has it.

I'm sorry if anything I said is stuff you already know.

idk if what Gavial is saying is true. what I don't like is he. made a claim but with only a little pressure. iirc he softed early day 2. I don't get why he did that. if he was/is town and does have these nite actions, then why not clear himself in other ways? was the sus from you and the teeny handful of others thst intimidating?

if he is a wolf it was good play done in a bad way.

I don't see him getting resolved. if he isn't lynched then going forward if he is wolf he can hedge by hemming and hawing thst he was rbed in some way or "forced to visit a different shrine" etc. if he isn't lynched and he is town, wolves will provide nk him or rb him or whatever. if he isn't nk he be potentially up for chopping block again.

If I collect enough I can buy a health potion that will protect me from a night kill. At the current rate I will be able to buy that for night ten. I will have to decide between that and an "ebony paralysis dart" that is a one time role block...but that decision is very far away so I am not giving it much thought. If I had gone to the Sheogorath shrine and made four sales lat night instead of one maybe I would be feeling a little OP...but as it stands I am feeling pretty vanilla.

this is something I noticed in running Stardew Valley

You can give people choices, but they'll for some reason naturally gravitate toward one choice

Sloon's structuring of there being distinctly different results per shrine per type of player helps, but I think it'll still run into the same issue

the JOAT mechanic might help

your buy mechanic goes from "night 10" to "night 3" if you get lucky and pick the shrine most others went to

Yeah I get that. I really tried to game it out N1. Sanguine is the Daedric prince of debauchery and I figured there would be plenty of Syndicats there that I could sell...something...to. I maybe should have just let it rand...

don't feel too bad, I went to Mehrunes Dagon and literally nothing happened

[Kylemii]

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there.

what does this part mean?

[Timsup2nothin]

Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA

Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?

well you can potentially buy stuff if what you say is true. I'm thinking artifacts and such? ifk how that would work but you would buy actions? roles? abilities? if im understanding your role correctly it seems op too.

if you look at Sloonei's opening post. he explained that there is a cool down to visit a shrine. so players can visit multiple shrines. also some artifacts do different things depending 9n which faction has it.

I'm sorry if anything I said is stuff you already know.

idk if what Gavial is saying is true. what I don't like is he. made a claim but with only a little pressure. iirc he softed early day 2. I don't get why he did that. if he was/is town and does have these nite actions, then why not clear himself in other ways? was the sus from you and the teeny handful of others thst intimidating?

if he is a wolf it was good play done in a bad way.

I don't see him getting resolved. if he isn't lynched then going forward if he is wolf he can hedge by hemming and hawing thst he was rbed in some way or "forced to visit a different shrine" etc. if he isn't lynched and he is town, wolves will provide nk him or rb him or whatever. if he isn't nk he be potentially up for chopping block again.

If I collect enough I can buy a health potion that will protect me from a night kill. At the current rate I will be able to buy that for night ten. I will have to decide between that and an "ebony paralysis dart" that is a one time role block...but that decision is very far away so I am not giving it much thought. If I had gone to the Sheogorath shrine and made four sales lat night instead of one maybe I would be feeling a little OP...but as it stands I am feeling pretty vanilla.

this is something I noticed in running Stardew Valley

You can give people choices, but they'll for some reason naturally gravitate toward one choice

Sloon's structuring of there being distinctly different results per shrine per type of player helps, but I think it'll still run into the same issue

the JOAT mechanic might help

your buy mechanic goes from "night 10" to "night 3" if you get lucky and pick the shrine most others went to

Yeah I get that. I really tried to game it out N1. Sanguine is the Daedric prince of debauchery and I figured there would be plenty of Syndicats there that I could sell...something...to. I maybe should have just let it rand...

don't feel too bad, I went to Mehrunes Dagon and literally nothing happened

So you too are in the "no info on what shrines do what" category. There seem to be a whole lot of varieties in this role business. Post game gonna be really interesting.

[BoKnows]

So who's all cleared?