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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Mana wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:43 am
Poop Explosions wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:15 am I am at the point where I just wanna sleepwalk flip mana

@Mana claim lol
I haven't caught up but we were a one-shot watcher and our watching failed last night (im assuming due to the redirect thing?)
Who did you try to target?
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Also why didn't you claim blocked immediately at SOD? Also redirect would not block you, it would make you watch someone different.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:56 am
Mana wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:43 am
Poop Explosions wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:15 am I am at the point where I just wanna sleepwalk flip mana

@Mana claim lol
I haven't caught up but we were a one-shot watcher and our watching failed last night (im assuming due to the redirect thing?)
Who did you try to target?
you, we thought you might either get nked or protected or some combination that might give us something to work with
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:58 am Also why didn't you claim blocked immediately at SOD? Also redirect would not block you, it would make you watch someone different.
well idk if it was blocked, my theory is someone tried to block someone else and the block it was redirected to us, or all actions on you got redirected to us including us trying to watch you so the action failed bc we would have been watching ourselves
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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we weren't the ones being redirected, we were the ones redirected towards
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Why would your first conclusion be that a block on someone else was redirected to you rather than someone blocked you directly, given that you were heavily suspected yesterday and a prime target for any town roleblocker (especially since the other top suspect, BT, claimed to have a self resolving role)?
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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 3:04 am Why would your first conclusion be that a block on someone else was redirected to you rather than someone blocked you directly, given that you were heavily suspected yesterday and a prime target for any town roleblocker (especially since the other top suspect, BT, claimed to have a self resolving role)?
because the first other information we got was that BT redirected the actions from someone to us so I assumed that played a role. I guess its also possible we were just blocked directly too. im not sure what a self-resolving role is
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Bottom Text wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:55 pm
Toopy and Binoo wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:52 pm Like they didn’t want to give me their role due to wolf paranoia.
thats honestly >rand W imo

if a villager is janitored D1 without knowing it'll happen they'll be likely to assume a wolf did it and decent odds are if a wolf has an ability to do that then the game is silly then they have a way to find out what flipped

given the opportunity to speak to a medium, a role that is proooobably >rand V, there's very few roles i'd refuse to claim in their position. especially to a player like you, who is extremely obvious in their typing and is also widely townread
This is a good point
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:07 pm also the fact that jpic posted 9 times more than me on day 1 means we're lock clear and anyone who voted for us and should have known better is therefore a wolf
Very logical reasoning
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Poop Explosions wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon

Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?

Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
Walrus died because they essentially claimed vig d1
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 1]

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Toopy and Binoo wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:22 pm
The Walrus wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:46 pm
Timsup2gettinserious wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:42 pm
TwoAndThrough wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:42 pm Both heads of the Walrus making time to converse with each other in thread and doing nothing but whine about post counts while padding theirs is really aggravating.
Don't worry. I'm shooting them tonight.
We don’t believe your role claim. We know you are lying.
Yep!
I’m changing the vote to Tim!

-Toopy
Meh, this was obviously a joke from the Tim hydra
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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trans rights wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:34 pm i'm back

akemi v
bottom text w
falconknows w
honey & vinegar v
julinook v
mana v
poop explosions v
timsuptogettinserious v
toopy and binoo v

this is my gth list and im somewhat sheeping mist on falconknows and mana
You forgot about us
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Bottom Text wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:56 pm ngl i think outting that you were loverized was terrible play especially given the gamestate but whatever
Not if you believe the loverizer was a wolf who made a terrible choice selection.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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I didn't sign up for flipless and I'm pretty not thrilled tim didn't flip

Has someone claimed cleaner or backup or setup cop (or janitor i guess? Not usually a town role tho) or something else with knowledge of his flip yet? Please say yes.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Janitor is obvs a wolf role otherwise it would have been claimed by now
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 4:59 am Janitor is obvs a wolf role otherwise it would have been claimed by now
I have ten pages i haven't read i have no idea if it's been claimed or not

I mean I do now, but

I didn't before now
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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The fact that:

A) Tim/hk was janitored
B) and wasn't particularly forthcoming in chat with Toopy or whatever they're called

leads me to the conclusion that Tim was a wolf, and wolves wanted to limit information and spew as much as possible. If Tim/hk was town that was their opportunity to clear the air so to speak, and they didn't use that chance. I still think if Tim/hk suspected toopy and was town they would still use that opportunity to clear the air. For example, what are the wolves going to do with that information anyway if they were a dead villager.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Like if I was janitored and I knew that I was town, I would have still done as much as I could to make sure town gets to the correct conclusion.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Would wolves consider janitoring tim/hk if they were town?
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Tell me more about this medium thing
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Julinook wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:13 am Tell me more about this medium thing
Spoiler: show
Toopy and Binoo wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:44 pm We sent them this:
Hello Two and Through! We are the Traitor!
We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die.
We also have a 1-Shot Vanillaizer that we can only use if a dead mafia tells us who to use it on!
If you need proof, we softed traitor in 1202 hoping maybe a scummate would pick up on it
Can you tell us who we should Vanalize and maybe also tell us your scum team? Just so we don’t end up pushing them.
Don’t worry we will avenge you!

They responded with this:
“We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die."
This is obviously a lie since we were town...nice try.
I agree with my fellow heads read. The imitation of Tim is just so uncanny. I also believe the claim; it was done in a pretty villagery way, and began with toopy thinking Tim was town.

@Toopy and Binoo is your medium thing 1-shot?
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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If I were a dead town and someone sent me that I'd tell them to fuck off lol
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Julinook wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:19 am If I were a dead town and someone sent me that I'd tell them to fuck off lol
You wouldn't at least state your claim?
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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I mean it sounds like a townie role, there has to be some counter to a janitor that can prevent day flips, but if you're gonna troll your target with it not getting something useful isn't that surprising
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Have they claimed how long the chat lasts?
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:20 am
Julinook wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:19 am If I were a dead town and someone sent me that I'd tell them to fuck off lol
You wouldn't at least state your claim?
If seth was trolling me? Lol
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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I don't think so; I imagine it's probably lasts for the entire day phase
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Julinook wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:24 am
TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:20 am
Julinook wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:19 am If I were a dead town and someone sent me that I'd tell them to fuck off lol
You wouldn't at least state your claim?
If seth was trolling me? Lol
Yeah, but that's par of the course with him so like
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Yeah if it lasts all day I'm not making a judgment yet
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:24 am
Julinook wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:24 am
TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:20 am
Julinook wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 5:19 am If I were a dead town and someone sent me that I'd tell them to fuck off lol
You wouldn't at least state your claim?
If seth was trolling me? Lol
Yeah, but that's par of the course with him so like
Tim is incredibly stubborn

Hk isn't far behind
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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I do really want them to be mafia, I'm mostly just playing devils advocate
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Mana wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 7:46 pm Has anyone here ever been to a karaoke bar alone? I wanna go, but I don’t think most of my irl friends would be down
You get some weird looks at first but then you nail "what's up" and everyone is buying you drinks
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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trans rights wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 7:48 pm seriously i'll give you a bit of self-meta but it generally is pretty accurate of my wolf game

i tend to make observations as a wolf that are "right for the right reasons" very often. whenever i'm going off and doubling down on my logic regarding it's because i'm usually a villager because i've seen this time and time again where people don't understand the reads i make for the reasons i make them, and i'm way more often to be a villager if that's the case.

i think poop explosions is probably a villager but this just profoundly annoys me
Sounds like you should start lying about the reasons for your reads
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Poop Explosions wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.

Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:

a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.

The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
Idk that seems townie to me
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:51 pm
Poop Explosions wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:46 pm Nutella what's going on with Nanook and Juliets talk about that slot plz.
idk felt more like town nook d1 but i dont have the best track record
Is it bad that I want to scumread this
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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I'm still four pages back and out of steam, maybe jules will bail me out, idk what her availability today is like

I'll be back in awhile probably
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:38 pm Why would you ever lover a townread and not a scumread?

Surely the correct play is to loverize someone in the POE so you get a free red flip if you ever die?
The correct play is actually to not use the role.
Second-best is to use it on someone you think won't die for any reason regardless of their alignment.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Timsup2gettinserious wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:35 pm
Poop Explosions wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon

Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?

Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
So, I talked to Syn, and he's okay with me revealing what happened to us last night.

H&V loverized us last night. We've got a lover chat with them right now. I've been going back and forth whether I fully trust them or not because I don't understand why they thought we wouldn't be considered a potential NK after the amount of townreads we got D1?
Would have prefered you spoke to us first tbh
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:40 pm If I was playing someone that could loverize other players I would 100% try my hardest to bait the NK N1 and loverize my top scumread lol. But maybe H&V don't play that role the same way I would.
I checked with dunya, our role couldn't be used like that otherwise I would have 100%.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Poop Explosions wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:41 pm I doubt H&V's a rolecop with that loverizing
I doubt H&V guessed our flavor out of thin air
Someone else rolecopped us and H&V saw the result despite not being a rolecop
H&V pushed us despite having a greencheck on us
Lmao
I'm not a rolecop, it's just equally obvious that phil is the janitor and that you're mafia.
Why tf would I, as mafia, claim a rolecop result inthread as mafia after loverizing town.
You're being disingenuous.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:00 pm
Timsup2gettinserious wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:56 pm Also, what would your reasons for us being one of the more likely people getting NKed last night? Weren't you one of the people D1 saying that YOUR HYDRA was probably one of the more likely to die N1 just for the potential of becoming obvtown later in the game?
I don't think you were a super likely NK last night with an outed vig on the table regardless, and I agree that my slot and trans rights both have higher NK equity than yours. The point is not "you are going to die N1". The question is whether you're going to die at all. If you're using it as a neighborizer, you'd want to use it on someone who's both town and likely to survive to the end of the game, so you avoid giving mafia a free KP. This is awkward since you never know when the townie you put your ability on claims super cop or something, which is why I prefer to use this kind of role as a vigilante shot. But regardless if you were trying to find a townie that has low NK equity you'd probably look at people like julinooks or FalconKnows, not your slot.
It can't be used as a vigilante shot because the target, if they're a wolf, knows that you loverized them and obviously won't shoot you.
At that point if your target is mafia then the only way your role is beneficial is if you get yourself misbanished. Which is not ideal already.
There's another use which is to claim actions on behalf of your partner, so that your partner can't be rb'd. That's an edgecase situation tho.
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Honey & Vinegar wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:02 am
Poop Explosions wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:41 pm I doubt H&V's a rolecop with that loverizing
I doubt H&V guessed our flavor out of thin air
Someone else rolecopped us and H&V saw the result despite not being a rolecop
H&V pushed us despite having a greencheck on us
Lmao
I'm not a rolecop, it's just equally obvious that phil is the janitor and that you're mafia.
Why tf would I, as mafia, claim a rolecop result inthread as mafia after loverizing town.
You're being disingenuous.
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Can you clear up for me why you think Phil is the janitor? In the OP dunya states:

Character claiming is also legal as all characters were randomized separately from roles!

To me this means there is no link between the character and the role, so Phil being a magician has no bearing on what role they are. Given this, what makes you link them together? Maybe I'm just missing something.
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dunya wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 9:38 am This is a closed set up. Role claiming and info dumping is legal. Character claiming is also legal as all characters were randomized separately from roles! Flavor is strictly for pleasure, and has no bearing on the game. I will not write any clues in the flavor text (but I may write secret love notes to you, so you better read it all, Syn!).
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Honey & Vinegar wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 7:56 am
Akemi Hazelnut wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:38 pm Why would you ever lover a townread and not a scumread?

Surely the correct play is to loverize someone in the POE so you get a free red flip if you ever die?
The correct play is actually to not use the role.
Second-best is to use it on someone you think won't die for any reason regardless of their alignment.
Why did you use it then?
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[VOTE: FalconKnows] aubergine
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I think I finally understand what Toopy is saying about their power. I was totally confused last night when I read it. I do agree with others though that T&T's response is more likely wolf because if town, why not tell them their role? It makes no sense to me why they wouldn't.

Also, I believe that Toopy is telling the truth about their role and that makes them town in my eyes.

Also, H&V's point above regarding how loverizing a wolf wouldn't work from the standpoint of getting them killed makes sense to me. I'm not the best at mechanics though so I'll be interested to see what others think about this point.

Regarding my schedule today, I'm off to work in just a few minutes and will be back sometime between 2 and 3. I will also be free most of the day tomorrow though.
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Also, I have been in a game where town loverized mafia. I was in that mafia team but we never shot the town because we didn't want to lose a member. Eventually, it ended with one of the two of them getting yeeted and killing both. It's possible that loverizer the comes from town but I don't get the choice unless you scumread them.

I think if I was a loverizer mafia role I would target the strongest person in the game, I think that's probably the most effective way of using the ability. I think if it was a mafia role, the person being loverized probably wouldn't know they were lovered up.
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So no objections to locking jules town right?
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Poop Explosions wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:56 am So no objections to locking jules town right?
I have no reason to scumread them but I wouldn't call it a lock.
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Honey & Vinegar wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:02 am
Poop Explosions wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:41 pm I doubt H&V's a rolecop with that loverizing
I doubt H&V guessed our flavor out of thin air
Someone else rolecopped us and H&V saw the result despite not being a rolecop
H&V pushed us despite having a greencheck on us
Lmao
I'm not a rolecop, it's just equally obvious that phil is the janitor and that you're mafia.
Why tf would I, as mafia, claim a rolecop result inthread as mafia after loverizing town.
You're being disingenuous.
You know flavor isn't related to roles yeah
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