It is my turn to do the ISO work that I'm sure others have already done before me.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
Numerous micro-interactions between various pairs and trios of players that could not be effectively summarized without writing a novel. You might be well advised to try catching up with ISOs instead of forcing yourself through the thread. If you want to do that though, you do you.
My tactic in large games has been to largely ignore everything that happens until halfway through Day 1 for my own sanity. That said, town has lost every such game. I'll start with SPF and KZA isos.
Why are you voting me and why do you have 100+ posts already?
If my memory of Early Day 1 holds, SPF and KZA were chosen because they had the most early votes. This is an uninspired hunt that tells me nothing about those two players. In a vacuum I can say they're probably not both partnered with Marmot, but that is not a thing I was worried about to begin with.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:47 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
idk just do what I do and read what's in front of me and read back if u gotta.
Yah I'll order off your menu, what're you having?
Gut reaction is this is not a teammate interaction with Bo. Bo's recommendation looks like a real one, and Marmot's response uses a cutesy euphemism that makes it feel strained a bit, like he's trying to cozy up to Bo by being warm and friendly. As marmots are wont to do.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:48 pm
Was there a verdict on the multiball discussion? That's the only thing I remember from yesterday
If I read this as a genuine inquiry, it probably means that Marmot's team was not discussing the multiball discussion behind the scenes. What that means for us at this moment, idk. It seems likely that Marmot had already assumed/been aware that we're in a multiball game, so this question is being asked so that he can know how to modify his behavior. It may just mean that his team did not consider this an urgent topic of discussion behind the scenes. That might give us a few clues about who else could be in that chat, but it's too nebulous for me to spend time on here. I'll bookmark the idea though.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:49 pm
I want tutuu fanfics about TSPF
I guess maybe there might be a teammate in here, but there absolutely does not need to be. A new thought occurs re: TSP and the thought I meandered around above: TSP introduced the multiball speculation out of the blue. If he is a member of The KC Mafia with Marmot, then the mulitball discussion is potentially a bigger-than-otherwise-would-be topic of conversation in their team chat. Marmot doesn't need to fish for info in the thread, because it is readily available in the chat. Maybe. This is a tenuous read, but I'll give it about a kilogram of consideration. TSP maybe kind of not teamed with Marmot.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:14 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm
@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?
I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway
Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.
Does this interaction exist if Marmot/KZA are teammates? Marmot misreads KZA's read on me, KZA points it out, Marmot walks it back. My gut tells me this is a good look for KZA: it doesn't look like a staged interaction, and I don't think a misunderstanding of this nature is likely to happen between teammates. I guess it
could if the suggestion is that Marmot misunderstood KZA's read on me because he just wasn't paying enough attention, and wanted to butt heads with a partner. I guess that could be an explanation. But I think it looks more like a mafioso (Marmot) who wanted to push a civilian, but misfired a bit.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:59 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:33 am
i just remembered kza explaining that he's omgussy mann why do u explainn ur readsss that scummyyy dudeeeee only scum explain their reads
falcon
jay
mac
alison
esooa
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kza
Tutuu's just openwolfing, got it.
This post makes no sense and I don't know what to do with it. I don't see anything even a little suspicious about tutuu's post. Why did Marmot highlight it as "openwolfing"? What does he do with tutuu/hally moving forward? Does he do things? Let's find out.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:16 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:14 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm
@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?
I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway
Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.
His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it
This is a reasonable KZA thought.
This post is weak and Marmot was rightly called out for it. But what does it say about KZA? I'm probably inclined to say it's another good look for him. There is still an argument for them to be teammates in this exchange though: the whole thing is designed to put distance between them. But I think it looks too soft for that. Marmot prods KZA with a misrepresentative question. KZA corrects him. Marmot bows and sings the praises of KZA as soon as he gets an answer. If they're partners, they'll probably be more theatrical about this whole thing. Instead, Marmot tries to kick it off and it just falls completely flat.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia
Thats the important bits
Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?
Marmot does not ask nanook why he claims to be confirmed town. He asks about everyone else that he mentioned in this post, though. Including himself. Noted. Bad lalook for nanook.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:21 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm
Marmot is giving me good vibes.
Are you flavored town this game?
This tells me nothing about Bo, but it exists.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:23 pm
BK has posted several broken images, so signs point to scum
Ditto for this one. Actually maybe not. Hm. Big Brain Mafia World Champion Read Time:
At 10:21, Marmot responds to Bo with an innocuous question about his alignment. At 10:23, Marmot makes an observation about Bo's ISO. This leads us to assume, that Marmot responded to the initial Bo prompt by clicking on his ISO and reading his posts. I don't think that's Marmot's response Bo's initial prod if they are teammates. So good look for Bo. Thank you, be sure to like and subscribe for more fresh content like this.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia
Thats the important bits
Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?
Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia
Which one?
I continue to have no trouble reading this as a teammate interaction.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia
Thats the important bits
Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?
Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia
Which one?
Its in the order you asked
Oooooh, I thought that was a full sentence in which you yourself were not going to read the game at all until then, then said Idk, then randomly said "he's mafia"
This is going nowhere.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:27 pm
I got a red peek on Nanook btw
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:36 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:47 pm
I am interested in investigating the following people more:
- Marmot
- SPF
- Dom
- Long Con
- Fingersplints
Got a comment on all of them?
I have null reads on Marmot, LC and Dom, and slight town reads on SPF and Fingersplints. I am interested in investigating them because...
- LC/Marmot's alignment sheds light on the alignment of other players. For example if LC is scum then you look great and the people that called LC town for no reason look really bad. Same with Marmot, SPF's pressure on him is telling if Marmot is scum.
- I find Dom to be a passionate and high energy player. While I don't think his absence from the thread is super AI, I would like to resolve him ASAP because I think I would work well with him if we're both town.
- Fingersplints is doing all the townie stuff that she usually does in other games, but she isn't as obvious town to me as she has been in both other games I've seen her town. I would like to understand why. This is the primary reason for reading her only lightly town and why I have her as a slot to look into.
- Out of all the players in my game, my read on SPF has varied/jumped around the most. I find half her content to be extremely townie and the other half to be insipid or misguided.
Has someone called me town for no reason?
I can't do much with this, but I don't think Alison is Marmot's partner just looking at this thread as a whole.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:21 pm
This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.
JJJ trying to make this game look easy on page 2. I dislike.
This is a silly thing to object to and Jay has expressed annoyance with it in the thread (I think). I don't think any of this happens if they are partners. I'm basically locked in on my Jay town read anyway. So, cool.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm
@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?
Lots of people are, why's his townread notable?
I was ISOing KZA and I noticed instances of stating a townread of Sloonei but not explanation for it.
I think it drew my attention a little more because the three of us had a lot of interactions in Fallout Mafia, and in particular, Sloonei voiced strong scumreads of each of us at one point in the game, and I was concerned that KZA was attempting to pocket him early in this game after that happened there.
Okay yeah Alison is definitely not Marmot's teammate. This question is too pointed, and his response is too nervous.
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:46 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:43 pm
my most hot take right now is that i find boknows mildly villagery
Ah yes, that is hot
Meh. This exists.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:57 pm
actual read: some of your posts this game have given me the impression that you're doing a sloonei impersonation
Didn't JJJ teach Sloonei everything he knows?
EXUST ME!? Punk ass rodent spitting hot garbage in this thread.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:47 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:30 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:27 pm
my number one takeaway from this game so far is that i don't understand what "salad" means :P
"I would vote A, B, or C" is close to the prototype for the player salad tell. It's suggestive of keeping one's options wide open when not comfortable committing to suspicions. What's holding you back from placing one of those votes right now?
that makes sense - i would say that i am thinking in
salad terms right now because of the
particular gamestate we're in
i'm not at a point where i can
confidently point to one player and say "this person is a wolf", but i am at a point where i can point to a pool of people and say "this pool probably has wolves", and vice versa for town. the more specific wolfreads tend to come later in the game when i've had more time to interrogate people and feel things out
there's nothing
particularly holding me back from making a vote right now, either. i just don't feel
particularly inspired to do it at the moment. it'll happen
JJJ said this game would be easy, but it never actually is.
Also, that's a lot of adverbs and use of the word "particular" in one post.
SPF town.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:55 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:51 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:48 pm
ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too
What?
u havent realized ur power level yet have u?
My chief power is watching from a distance while everyone else dies
File these under Posts That Exist.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:59 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:55 pm
OOOOH yea jpiccie smart pat pat jpiccie
yea bo sorry but jpic caught u
when?
Don't worry about it. It's too late for you
I do not think I can do much with this. I can see a teammate making this in response to fake-catching a partner. But it does not need to be that. And I awarded Bo some not-KC points earlier anyway.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm
Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone
I don't understand what you mean here.
Another exchange that exists, this time with TSP. Okay.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm
i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf
Who's powerwolfing here?
Generic follow-up prod for tutuu. Meh.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:20 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm
i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf
Who's powerwolfing here?
i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance
The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.
This is a fairly limp response, but it doesn't look nervous or pressing. It's just kinda... there.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:20 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm
i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf
Who's powerwolfing here?
i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance
The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.
i wanna call sloonei mafia. then i saw he's voting spf. then i thought if he's mafia and spf is mafia and i was them i would powerwolf and townread each other coz its more fun and its what i would think two people perceived as spf and sloonei would do
I gotchu!
Are you a powerwoofer tutuu?
This can be teammates. It can also be Marmot not knowing what to du with tutuu.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:24 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:19 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:11 pm
@AL_sama what do you have to say for yourself?
I don't think I need to or ca say anything when I did nothing at all
Well this is pretty evasive.
The original question doesn't lend itself to a simple answer.
Strawhenge not partnered with Marmot.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:26 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 pm
[VOTE:
BoKnows] aubergine
Confirmed scum. Get him outta here!
That's something a scum would say tbh
Then my vote is in the perfect spot.
These Bo/Marmot interactions are pointless and empty. I guess they can be partners now. But I'm still weighing those things I said earlier. But this whole exchange is just goofy.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:30 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:37 am
JPIC is reading more of the thread than he lets on which is generally towny from quote unquote LHF slots.
what?
It's obviously a leaking wolfchat.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:22 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:13 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm
Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone
ok in between where I was reading this and then this marmot showed back up but this remains true
Why should Marmot be where you're at right now? Translate
in all of the games I've played with Marmot recently where he was town, he took the position of a high posting contrarian. in fallout he got into a big fight with sloonei etc.. In this game, on the other hand, he's posted rather little (that can be explained by other factors) and while in the thread largely followed the town leaders as far as I can tell. This strikes me as off.
You may or may not have also noticed, but I've made a habit of participating very little in most of Day 0 and early Day 1 before really engaging games, mainly for my own sanity and ability to keep up with a game over multiple days.
Am I really that much of a contrarian? I wouldn't have described myself as such.
This does not feel like a teammate interaction. Marmot feels like he's flinching a bit here. Decent look for TSP.
End of page 1, so I'll post these results now. This is taking me a while because baseball is on.