Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Gavial]

okay i'm gonna ask this again, do we know why c4 died?

If you look in the Rolecard section you can find a role called “Eldridge”.
Go read it then get back to me on it!

[Poison]

btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none

@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?

Well I haven’t said anything about you yet so I think we’re looking good.

i don't mind being talked about though, if you have anything to say about me, here's a mic.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[Poison]

okay i'm gonna ask this again, do we know why c4 died?

If you look in the Rolecard section you can find a role called “Eldridge”.
Go read it then get back to me on it!

ay ay sir.

RE: SLoonei ayy ty, I'm like in the middle of Esooa's iso atm

[staypositivefriend]

i suspect that esooa genuinely just had a scumread on chopchop

[Gavial]

Think I’ll just place hold Jack for now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime
You were tunnelling all on me yesterday, there a reason you aren’t doing that today?

i literally just called you a wolf what the heck

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?

No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.

while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.

ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.

I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?

i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.

Not that I was particularly worldbuilding off an Epi/Sloonei team but what keeps that from being a likely scenario?

[TonyStarkPrime]

the last post that you quoted from me was me calling you a wolf

[Gavial]

btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none

@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?

Well I haven’t said anything about you yet so I think we’re looking good.

i don't mind being talked about though, if you have anything to say about me, here's a mic.

Alright so does anyone remember anything Townie about Poison?
Just look at what they have posted today, it’s far more memorable then yesterday.

There, how’s that?

[Jackofhearts2005]

i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure

could you say more about why her treatment of rej is different than her treatment of mac?

even though mac was not the topic of conversation in the game, esooa directly brought him up and called out several people for scumreading him and for not realizing that he was ~obvious town~ doing a sick wifom strategy by staying lowkey. when esooa interacted with mac, she was focused on getting her to townread him and getting in his good graces

on the other hand, esooa ignored rej for the entirety of the game, and then suddenly outed a fairly confident townread on him when he became the topic of conversation, while still playing lip service to the idea that he ~could~ be mafia

it feels like the difference between an attempt to pocket a player that she wanted to trick vs defending someone with a specific agenda

TLDR: Esoosa could be teamed with Rej or Mac but probably not both?

[staypositivefriend]

sloonei, do you have any thoughts about poison's posts on the last page or two?

[staypositivefriend]

i would not bank on it with any level of confidence

the main thing that pushes me to feel that way is the fact that esooa outrighted ignored rej for the entire game ~until~ the pressure against him started to pick up a little bit more momentum - then she suddenly started outing a fairly confident defense of rej while still playing lip service to my suspicions of him. if she didn't out her read on rej ~until~ he was being pressured, then it implies to me that she probably had a specific agenda behind doing it. the agenda could have just been to try to TMI someone as town for towncred, in theory, but the way that she seemed particularly invested in hearing what i thought about her rej read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738501#p738501) made me feel like she was subtly doing it to get me to back off of rej

it aligns fairly well with how i would expect esooa to treat one of her partners under pressure

could you say more about why her treatment of rej is different than her treatment of mac?

even though mac was not the topic of conversation in the game, esooa directly brought him up and called out several people for scumreading him and for not realizing that he was ~obvious town~ doing a sick wifom strategy by staying lowkey. when esooa interacted with mac, she was focused on getting her to townread him and getting in his good graces

on the other hand, esooa ignored rej for the entirety of the game, and then suddenly outed a fairly confident townread on him when he became the topic of conversation, while still playing lip service to the idea that he ~could~ be mafia

it feels like the difference between an attempt to pocket a player that she wanted to trick vs defending someone with a specific agenda

TLDR: Esoosa could be teamed with Rej or Mac but probably not both?

i actually think that esooa has partner equity with rej - the way that she passionately defended him after giving him the cold shoulder for the entire game just aligns with my understanding of how esooa likes to shield her partners. she's not much of a busser, in my experience

i do not think she's teamed with mac, though

[Jackofhearts2005]

that esooa wanted to pocket [Mac]

Okay disregard previous question.

[Gavial]

@TonyStarkPrime
You were tunnelling all on me yesterday, there a reason you aren’t doing that today?

i literally just called you a wolf what the heck

You can call me what you want but the main part is lacking.


Where’s your vote? Guess you lost it yesterday.

[Poison]

btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none

@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?

Well I haven’t said anything about you yet so I think we’re looking good.

i don't mind being talked about though, if you have anything to say about me, here's a mic.

Alright so does anyone remember anything Townie about Poison?
Just look at what they have posted today, it’s far more memorable then yesterday.

There, how’s that?

Tsk tsk. I had an exam.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm going to punch a wall

[TonyStarkPrime]

he wants to annoy me so I don't do work, right

[Gavial]

Feel like if you were really tunnelling me here you would have voted me as soon as you got on.
I think your “tunnel” claim is BS.

[Poison]

@TonyStarkPrime
You were tunnelling all on me yesterday, there a reason you aren’t doing that today?

i literally just called you a wolf what the heck

You can call me what you want but the main part is lacking.


Where’s your vote? Guess you lost it yesterday.

Lmao. How do you read TSP btw

[TonyStarkPrime]

... so you think that I actually think you're town

[TonyStarkPrime]

because I haven't voted you yet

[Gavial]

I'm going to punch a wall

he wants to annoy me so I don't do work, right

If this is your way of trying to call me a LHF and saying how Everyone should ignore me to try and discredit me,
This is a bad way of doing it.

[Sloonei]

sloonei, do you have any thoughts about poison's posts on the last page or two?

I like the energy she is bringing, but I have not seen her do anything that would give me a strong indication of her alignment one way or the other. GTH town.

[Gavial]

Just be open and say “Chop Chop you suck! You PL, Go away Chop!”.

[staypositivefriend]

sloonei, do you have any thoughts about poison's posts on the last page or two?

I like the energy she is bringing, but I have not seen her do anything that would give me a strong indication of her alignment one way or the other. GTH town.

yeah, i liked them too, mostly because her tone feels unrestrained. was curious if you were thinking the same

[Gavial]

... so you think that I actually think you're town

because I haven't voted you yet

I’m saying there’s a difference between SRing someone and tunnelling someone.
Now if you know the difference between the 2, that’s another story.

[Poison]

Spoiler: show

No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.

while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.

ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.

I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?

i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.

Not that I was particularly worldbuilding off an Epi/Sloonei team but what keeps that from being a likely scenario?

I remember an early interaction between them.

[Sloonei]

ChopChop feels like the low hanging fruit option that the real mafiers try to push us toward.

[TonyStarkPrime]

what does PL mean

[Gavial]

Be glad I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here because if you know the difference you are clearly fake.

[Gavial]

what does PL mean

Policy Lynch.

[Gavial]

“Vote them because they hurt town regardless of alignment.”

[TonyStarkPrime]

... so you think that I actually think you're town

because I haven't voted you yet

I’m saying there’s a difference between SRing someone and tunnelling someone.
Now if you know the difference between the 2, that’s another story.

I cannot

[TonyStarkPrime]

ChopChop feels like the low hanging fruit option that the real mafiers try to push us toward.

i feel like he's the mafia trying to push us towards himself tbh

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

20% of this



There are not that many gifs of AJ Styles being mildly frustrated.

[Gavial]

ChopChop feels like the low hanging fruit option that the real mafiers try to push us toward.

How dare you!
I’m a on the top of the fruit scale!

[Poison]

while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.

ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.

I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?

i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.

Not that I was particularly worldbuilding off an Epi/Sloonei team but what keeps that from being a likely scenario?

I remember an early interaction between them.

@Jackofhearts2005 nvmmm I think I mixed up two games. And the interaction was probably between jjj and epi in another game. I'm sorry I misremembered probably. I'll look again and confirm.

[TonyStarkPrime]

fine I'll call

[VOTE: ChopChop[\vote]] aubergine

[Sloonei]

sloonei, do you have any thoughts about poison's posts on the last page or two?

I like the energy she is bringing, but I have not seen her do anything that would give me a strong indication of her alignment one way or the other. GTH town.

yeah, i liked them too, mostly because her tone feels unrestrained. was curious if you were thinking the same

Actually if there is something more than just “energy” that I would read in her favor: I like that she’s been unafraid to ask questions about things that have already been covered/comment on things she hasn’t read yet. Maybe that’s what you mean by “unrestrained”. It feels like she is here to follow her own leads at her own pace, and doesn’t care about optics or anything other than getting answers.

[Poison]

TSP, are you scuuuum?

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP, are you scuuuum?

no, u

[TonyStarkPrime]

chop thinks you're a wolf with jack, what do you think about that

[Spacedaisy]

Yo, to whoever sent me the message last night, I don't know why I should trust you. See you slipped up and skipped over Esooa in your recap. How did you Esooa was gonna die last night and not be relevant to the conversation? If you were Luke you wouldn't have known. I call bullshit on your message and your attempt to solicit a role claim from me.

[staypositivefriend]

sloonei, do you have any thoughts about poison's posts on the last page or two?

I like the energy she is bringing, but I have not seen her do anything that would give me a strong indication of her alignment one way or the other. GTH town.

yeah, i liked them too, mostly because her tone feels unrestrained. was curious if you were thinking the same

Actually if there is something more than just “energy” that I would read in her favor: I like that she’s been unafraid to ask questions about things that have already been covered/comment on things she hasn’t read yet. Maybe that’s what you mean by “unrestrained”. It feels like she is here to follow her own leads at her own pace, and doesn’t care about optics or anything other than getting answers.

that is exactly what i was getting at but hadnt found a way to put into words yet

[Sloonei]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.

ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.

I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?

i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.

Not that I was particularly worldbuilding off an Epi/Sloonei team but what keeps that from being a likely scenario?

I remember an early interaction between them.

@Jackofhearts2005 nvmmm I think I mixed up two games. And the interaction was probably between jjj and epi in another game. I'm sorry I misremembered probably. I'll look again and confirm.

@JaggedJimmyJay you seein’ this!? we’re messing people up across different games now

[Gavial]

ChopChop feels like the low hanging fruit option that the real mafiers try to push us toward.

i feel like he's the mafia trying to push us towards himself tbh

Yes I want to be yeeted or redirect attention towards myself.
Look if you want to cast shade so be it but actually do something then spit out air.
If you think I’m redirecting attention, vote the person you think I’m trying to make look invisible.
I’ll tell you that if I was actually redirecting attention, it’d be fairly noticeable.
So come up with something better to say about me next time.
And you know actually do something about it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

this is boggling my mind. this man is a wolf. remove him from the game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Sloonei

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jack too