ts account -
I thought his entry was good. His Sloonei push reads as genuine and the angle he picked is very reasonable.
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:38 pm
I have a soft mindmeld with leetic re: sloonei. However, I'm more suspicious of it because I do not think speculation of sloonei's nature is pro-town in any way. Since it is early enough in the game, this read is more of a town read on leetic than a condemnation of sloonei. I also want to point out TonyStarkPrime's callout of LongCon (and sloonei's somewhat, but Tony was not involved before this) which I think is not justified.
I can't make any more judgements until RVS is over, which is hopefully soon.
PS The submit and preview buttons are backwards.
This post is important for seeing how the read develops. Mikey (presumably) has a very slight suspicion on Sloonei. I think that this type of entry is town indicative. I'll walk you through the steps but bear with me for a bit.
Why is it town indicative? I feel as though if he were a wolf, he'd use that excuse to push harder on Sloonei. From this post, he does state a minor scum lean, but it's nothing "too damning" to use his words, it's just a little suspicion there. This is important, because, if you go through the development of Mikey's read on Sloonei, you can see it flows to the point of scum reading him, rather than it being the other way around, as in, he came into the thread with the intent of burying Sloonei in evidence, as this is a pretty easy angle to take as scum. I like the abstaining. Now, you're going to see how Sloonei is fanning Mikey's inner flame and his suspicion on Sloonei increases with each post, instead of it being a full-on, blastfuckery, guns blazing approach, where he corners Sloonei for his suggestion.
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:40 pm
To be clear: my entry posts were not intended as “mechanical speculation”, or at least that was not my primary mindset in making them. I was genuinely concerned that the host had made a mistake.
It's a problem, because you were framing it as a potential game mechanic, when I do not think discussion of that avenue is fruitful for town.
* It is debating with Sloonei and stating what the post meant and why he felt the need to point out the observation. It's re-stating one's belief.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:47 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:40 pm
To be clear: my entry posts were not intended as “mechanical speculation”, or at least that was not my primary mindset in making them. I was genuinely concerned that the host had made a mistake.
It's a problem, because you were framing it as a potential game mechanic, when I do not think discussion of that avenue is fruitful for town.
Why not?
I have no real investment in the topic as it is being framed. Again, I was trying to figure out whether or not the host messed up and the game would need to be restarted as a result of this.
But now this discussion exists, and you’ve said these things about it. So please explain what you mean.
* This post by Sloonei is starting to plant the seeds for a debate. It's questioning ts's reasoning.
Now, let's hop in Mikey's head for a second. The person that you scum read just refuted your argument, and is painting you out to be the bad guy. For a scum!Mikey world, this would be the pivotal point where his gears would shift onto going full on Sloonei. Instead, he maintains his emotional consistency, is a little sketched out by the comment, and then he asks this :
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:53 pm
If you say this was not your intent, then what exactly did you mean by this? I can't interpret it as anything else.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:28 pm
i'm genuinely unsure what's going on. We have two players who signed up for this game that aren't listed on the roster or the poll.
could there be a thematic reason for this? @ anyone who's familiar with the games? We waited a few extra days to get to exactly 15 players. I don't think it's likely that nanook would simply forget to include two people.
Now Mikey is actually discerning Sloonei's alignment and is confused at how Sloonei is handling the situation, thus, he wants to clarify Sloonei's standing on the matter. Sloonei just framed his actions as having a different intention, and Mikey is trying to see that, by clarifying it. He's not twisting Sloonei's words, he's not calling his scum, he's merely trying to discern his alignment.
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:55 pm
The intention of the posts themselves was not to speculate about mechanics. That particular post was me realizing that it was probably not a host error, and a search for answers among the folks who knew the theme better than I do. I don’t actually give a shit what the speculative mechanics might be. I just care that the possibility for mechanics exists.
Now explain why my mindset is not indicative of an honest civilian.
Suppose you were given the information that a mechanic exists that removes the two players from the player list, they cannot be voted on or targeted with actions, and they cannot post.
Where do you go from there?
Funnygurl, please tell me you are not a wolf.
Again, re-stating his belief. He's saying why he made the initial comment. At no point is he calling Sloonei scum for it. You get the idea, I'll move on to where gears shift.
Note how he's also spreading his focus onto Funnygurl. Mikey had something on Sloonei to focus on, but it wasn't really a fruitful avenue, hence why he never really pushed it,
Sloonei was the one that forced him to explain himself. Mikey isn't pissed at him for it, he's willing to debate. He was never really the one that went into this conversation with an end goal of achieving something out of it.
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:08 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here
Care to explain?
It is a hypothetical pointing out just how useless it is to seek clarification on whatever is going on. If it turns out to be a game mechanic, it's not like we can use that to our advantage, so we should rather focus on generating content and interacting with each other.
And this post confirms my prior beliefs. It really wasn't a fruitful avenue and Mikey had no interest of engaging in it, because HE KNOWS THIS ISN'T A RELIABLE WAY OF SOLVING SLOONEI. If he wanted to look good while doing it, he would've done so easily, by doubling down, but this is a villager willing to explain his standing.
I really don't know what else to add to this, I think I've commented on this enough to the point where it might feel like it's IIOA to some people (information instead of analysis)
ts is town.
