Inception [END]

[juliets]

Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Drago, it's against the rules to claim role, are you talking about character claims?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

I mean I only my role and the sample role but from those super no

[Hyena]

Juliets must have read my mind. I was going through Michelle's posts to see if I can find anything scummy or towny in them. I was about to suggest that she might be scum, but that post Juliets quoted does kinda look towny. I think I'll give Juliets a slight town lean. Even though I liked the quoted post, I still wanna leave Michelle at null.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Master Radishes is an alt, yeah? Somebody on MU spec chat had an angry radish avatar.

Yes, someone did. That someone was me.

But I'm not always angry.

That gif is pretty dang cute.

[Evenstar]

gonna be some quote spam as i catch up here, apologies; i blame this forum's utter lack of multiquoting

All this and we can't even vote yet. I wanna spam votes fuck.

So FoS.

What for? Without voting all this analysis is just hot fart. Nobody is really gonna feel pressure so they will be harder to read. I wanna start some wagons.

This is why you have a thing that can translate directly into a real vote when the actual game starts

like so: FoS MacDougall

[Hyena]

You seem to be having a lot of town reads. Do you have any scum ones?

Let's say Mac and Sprityo are scumreads for me right now.

Cool, would it be too much to ask why?

For Mac, I didn't like that he shut down my attempt to banter with him earlier, and I also felt like he was trying to pocket nutella.
For Sprityo, I didn't like his response to Jack in the post I quoted.

[Hyena]

gonna be some quote spam as i catch up here, apologies; i blame this forum's utter lack of multiquoting

All this and we can't even vote yet. I wanna spam votes fuck.

So FoS.

What for? Without voting all this analysis is just hot fart. Nobody is really gonna feel pressure so they will be harder to read. I wanna start some wagons.

This is why you have a thing that can translate directly into a real vote when the actual game starts

like so: FoS MacDougall

ALL HAIL QUEEN EVENSTAR!!!

Also, are you trying to pocket me here with your FoS on Mac? :P

[juliets]

What is FoS?

[Hyena]

What is FoS?

Finger of Suspicion.

[Evenstar]

I don't vote on command.

The fact that you feel the need to say this in a phase with no voting is super mega off. Double-barreled FoS here, gonna drop my vote here when daystart happens unless something major intervenes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

"iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond."

This gets first place in the fakest opinion ever

Lol I can dig this.

[Evenstar]

I don't vote on command.

The joke is you can’t vote me anyway cause it’s D0.

Mindmeld with Jack here, though I'm surprised he didn't find it scummy that the obvious joke was treated as an attack.

[Evenstar]

Can I not be lynched D1? Nor D2? Nor D3?

I mean, you could nk Epi and shitpost. That might do the trick.

wasn't that a post for the scum chat?

Michelle, are you reading Jack/Creature W/W?

[Evenstar]

It was Fallout that you did it. You were an indy. I also looked at Arrowverse where he was scum and you were town and you didn't give him any town reads at least for the first couple days. Makes me feel good about you... maybe even Creature a bit since your radar on him is demonstrably good.

Why is Mac going out of his way to do research on Jack that makes him look better? Super OOC from what I saw in WC1 and finals. This Mac feels soft and fuzzy with a side of poop jokes. Finals mac was hard and flinty with a side of dick jokes. Very different flavours and oh god why did I give myself that mental image.

[TonyStarkPrime]

What is FoS?

Finger of Suspicion.

We can do so much better than that

[Elephant]

Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.

Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

[Evenstar]

Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.

Then again, maybe it's just meta I don't have making Mac come to Jack's defense.

I will say it's super fucking weird to me that four people are townreading creature. There's almost def a scum in that, and I'm side-eyeing Mac pretty hard right now.

[Evenstar]

112 is innocent-aligned in my opinion

i have felt this with every one of their posts

pocket tentatively accepted

noted.
Pocket like scum poketing or town pocketing?

This feels like a weird question. Scumpoints for michelle.

[Evenstar]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

Which game was this, Pawn? If you have a tell to read Creature by, I sure as hell haven't spotted it. Care to point it out to me?

[Evenstar]

I like elephant.

Awww it's a regular animal kingdom

[Evenstar]

iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

[Creature]

I like elephant.

No, not that kind of elephant. :[

maybe you'd prefer this?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I like elephant.

No, not that kind of elephant. :[

maybe you'd prefer this?

this is not an elephant

[TonyStarkPrime]

Though the libertarian porcupine is by far the best animal mascot of any political party ever

[Evenstar]

I changed my mind and did play some catch-up. Only quick skimming, though.

Random skim reads:

Nutella townish. Not sure I agree with reasons stated above ^ for SRing her.

iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond.

Creature townish.

Hyena townish.

Dragomir creepish.

Eva placid. Uncertain how to read that. Leaning townish.

112 nullish. Conclusion: lynch them.

Elephant small. Beluga whales bigger. Scum.


Okay I'm done now. Disclosure: I made a bunch of these up on the spot.

Mac is right that this readlist sucks, but the Elephant read is so casually towny that I'm hesitating.

[Dragomir]

Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Drago, it's against the rules to claim role, are you talking about character claims?

Yes.

[Creature]

Arrowverse is where I broken clock caught Creature but I’ll take the player cred there anyway.

tbh I think others lynched my slot and you just went along

[Creature]

probably the same players that have an obsession with lynching me every game

[Evenstar]

@Mac

If you want a serious response, (a) screw you, and (b) iiafr is acting exactly as he did in spec chat, which makes me think it's his default setting.

Aight I'm cool with radishes.

[Creature]

Cause town Creature still just moans instead of hunting.

On paper, the average player who throws out naked reads and complains without doing anything helpful is scum and Epi is a hardass.

I think I have done way more than you have done so far.

[Dragomir]

I don't vote on command.

The fact that you feel the need to say this in a phase with no voting is super mega off. Double-barreled FoS here, gonna drop my vote here when daystart happens unless something major intervenes.

Lol, ok.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't vote on command.

The joke is you can’t vote me anyway cause it’s D0.

Mindmeld with Jack here, though I'm surprised he didn't find it scummy that the obvious joke was treated as an attack.

I didn’t feel like it was.

[Dragomir]

I don't vote on command.

The joke is you can’t vote me anyway cause it’s D0.

Mindmeld with Jack here, though I'm surprised he didn't find it scummy that the obvious joke was treated as an attack.

No it wasn't.

[Evenstar]

Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?

Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite

no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations

No who’s 112

how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.

Good callout from Spiny, TSP has been weird overall and I haven't been sure wether it was playstyle - but this feels like a smoking gun to me. TSP scum.

[Creature]

Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.

Then again, maybe it's just meta I don't have making Mac come to Jack's defense.

I will say it's super fucking weird to me that four people are townreading creature. There's almost def a scum in that, and I'm side-eyeing Mac pretty hard right now.

Are you saying that because you think their read on me looks fake or you just want to discredit their townread on me?

[Evenstar]

ok if i'm gonna start posting from the point I'm caught up at, these were my ~vibes~

anyway Eva is town. and not JUST because her savagery in response to Drago's flirting attempts was the most beautiful effortless thing she's ever done. (more because of her responses to iaafr and 112). Her read that Drago continuing that flirting so long was trying to force conversation, thus scummy, was not one that would've occurred to me, but ig she could be right there.

I do not understand where iaafr's "always town" read of 112 started or came from or what the vibe is that he likes, even though he has since made posts explaining it. i like other posts of iaafr and his overall tone, but that whole read is so ???? to me.

lol at Mac saying he's policy never-lynching me and then immediately asking other people to build a case on me :P that and some overly defensive early posts / questioning things I thought were obvious had me side-eyeing him. but i liked his later posts. will see how he engages with Eva.

I do vibe with IAAFR saying that there's too much "hey i like this guy" and "this guy can be town" going on. from loose recollection Hyena and Epi felt like offenders there. Hyena maybe felt less sincere? this is loose memory.

Aight spiny can be town

[Creature]

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here

because we smoked pot?

[Evenstar]

Lmao drago stop being creepy she's lesbian. Also aren't you like under 18 :\

lol trying to flirt with EverStar

Are you implying I'm unfuckable?

[Creature]

Though the libertarian porcupine is by far the best animal mascot of any political party ever

So is the libertarian party

[Dragomir]

iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.

[juliets]

Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Drago, it's against the rules to claim role, are you talking about character claims?

Yes.

So Drago, I guess I don't see what the benefit would be of fake claiming a character. JJJ said the abilities were randomly assigned to the characters so if there is a correlation between the two it is entirely coincidental. Maybe I'm totally misunderstanding your point. Anyway, are you saying you think 112 fake claimed?

[Evenstar]

@Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

Yeah, you should be nervous. You're probably reading "not stressed out by champs" as "town" here: as Pawn would tell you, I'm never certain anything D1.

Keep watching me; generally I slip somewhere in my tapdancing by D3/4 if I'm scum. (Like in WC1 with my hotdogs thing.)

[Evenstar]

Just skimmed again through million of posts and forgot half of the content.
I will just relax as I rly have a bad day today and I wasted my energy into carrying home the Cats/Dogs game with Novas and Speedchuck

Here some crappy GTH reads to satisfy your hunger:

Nutella - good
Michelle - good
Sprityo - good
the guy with the rabbit avatar - good

I have no clue who this guy is but this entrance instantly makes me hate him

[Jackofhearts2005]

And hi nova -

Do you have a crush on Nova?

A crush? No, why would you think that?

He’s so dreamy tho.

[Evenstar]

@Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

[Evenstar]

somethigns wrong, ive shitposted for the most part all Day 0 and i have two "good" reads

wine af but I feel like this is town

makes me wonder about tmi from nut/iaafr

[Creature]

Lmao drago stop being creepy she's lesbian. Also aren't you like under 18 :\

lol trying to flirt with EverStar

Are you implying I'm unfuckable?

Probably not, but must be a crazy thing to try

[Evenstar]

Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?

Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite

no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations

No who’s 112

how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.

This one? This is what it was? Of all the posts you latched on to this? I mean I quoted the point I liked from iaafr and it was about Mac. And then he challenged me to a duel and I liked that too. So not all of the meaningful posts/interactions are about 112.

I’m not generally one for individual post construction, but it’s ... interesting ... (someone kill me) that the first half has no punctuation and the latter half does. That shows different curator styles, or that both parts were written separately, or its a player thing I don’t understand because I’ve never played with spiny creature before. Slight lean scum though for the first possibility: in a normal world town would never make such a mentality shift from one half to another, but there are conceivable reasons. The second and third possibilities are NAI.

this is such a reach of a read that it makes me super certain that tsp is SOMETHING

- I think not third party is what it says, mafia make this kind of reach to lynch people, town make it to try and find mafia, third parties have absolutely no reason to stick their necks out like this

[Dragomir]

honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok [mention]juliets[/mention] since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

[Dragomir]

Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.