MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

I think Jay and Epi are teammates. They haven't attacked each other yet.

[Gemma]

I'm so confused by Genma's play right now.

i have that affect on people lmao

[Luxurious]

i don't really have any reads of the townread/scumread type rn sorry

50 posts to arrive here

[VOTE: Gemma] aubergine

would you prefer it if i listed some random hard reads and made up reasons for them

I rather you tell me what your gut is currently saying

[Jackofhearts2005]

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

um

why is it iffy for someone to care what your reads are and prod you accordingly

i am confused

Everything you’ve asked is surface level and doesnt go deeper than that. The whole conversation with epi felt like a weird attempt at questioning, and then the lol at the end doesnt make sense to me.

Why do you think JJJ should be town read?

um

epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question, so i asked him what his jjj read was in order to tell if he was town genuinely suspecting jjj or scum just wanting to throw cheap shade. he refused to tell me what his jjj read actually was. how exactly does my questioning feel weird when it was epig who was being rude to me and trying to gaslight me?

i wasn't implying that jjj should be townread, or anything else about him. if there is a reason for jjj to be town it's probably his wild bursts of posting, but that's not very good reasoning

i loled because what else am i supposed to do when someone refuses to talk to me and eventually answered my question about someone he is apparently scumreading by saying that he doesn't have to talk about his townreads. nothing i've asked is surface level, you just aren't looking any deeper, and apparently aren't even reading the posts if that is your takeaway from our exchange? the dude is clearly more interested in his own sense of privilege than actually talking to another person as an equal (sorry if that's a bit harsh)

Yeah, [mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Check your privilege.

[Gemma]

I’m over it.

[VOTE: Genma] aubergine

i'm proud of you

[Gemma]

I am 100% certain Jack is town.

Why?

Because Jack is the easiest player to read in the entire world.

is this a serious read

if so are you able to words about it

[Luxurious]

I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

Is that a good or a bad thing

[Luxurious]

How many posts did I need to get to stool pigeon

[Luxurious]

To make my list easier for those to see and as a tl;dr for everyone who doesnt wanna go through all my posts

[town]
JJJ
Speed
Jack
DDL

[everyone else]


[scum]
Ultra
Gemma

My reads, in order

you forgot owner?

I’m willing to give Gemma some credit since she was literally the only person to point this out

[Luxurious]

I’ll put Lux on the town list and Genma on the naughty list.

I refuse to give Epi credit for being his grumpy self.

what did you like about lux?

you aren't allowed to say meta because you haven't played with her before!

[Luxurious]

Gemma, you've given a decent amount of your attention to nova:

Question | Prod | Question about prods

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

too late

novas already did that

This carries implied shade given the context of speedchuck's sarcasm.

you're a blob of meta

He's a blob of meta.

I don't object to a lot of questions. Questions are super as long as there is a destination. I don't see a destination. What is your stance on nova?

v person is nova

i thought i was responding to jack, so the "you" is jack. jack is blob of meta because he won't explain his reads other than saying something something meta

i thought it was scummy that nova voted for someone who hadn't really been in thread at all. it's an easy vote and he hadn't said anything about mac, so there was no reasoning behind the vote that i could tell. i could see a world where nova as scum feels like he ought to vote mac there in order to try to make his earlier exchange with him seem more legitimate.

his reads so far are kind of rigid and one-dimensional-ish which is a little concerning but i'm still getting a sense of his process and given the level he seems to be playing at i think things like his mood and approach to me might be more alignment indicative, so he mostly just ends up at null. if you think there is anything he's done that is very alignment indicative for him i would love to hear it

What do you mean by level

[Luxurious]

Ok so I guess I'm allowed to point out how nova is different than in the other game now?

Cuz he totally is.

Everyone: you’re scummy!!!
DDL: fine I’ll hoard all my thoughts right here and then one day I’ll die

I had to wait for nova to die in the other game to point that out.

Ah fair context matters

[Luxurious]

Let me say it in other words.

Nova asking questions is not a reason to scum read him. It is also an argument that I was tempted to make when I was scum because I had nothing better to say.

Weak case making dressed in the guise of good case making.

DDL is bad. Back to DDL.

The case aint just "nova is asking questions"

If nova was asking questions and also tunneling the fuck out of someone while being a general pain in the ass it would be fine.

He's just prodding random peoplr all game. I'm yet to see if he intends to do anything with those answers. Like, you know, scumhunting.

How do you feel about gemma then?

Not sure.

Do you think gemma’s been doing things with her questions? What differs between the way she’s been playing, and the way you think Nova is playing? You havent really interacted with her at all since this is your only post either of you have made in regards to each other

Possibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

Eh the thing is that I kind of see a reasoning for it. Na.ely this game has a bunch of cops and they all act in Night 1/2. So No Lynch would reduce the chance we lynch our own cops and hopefully give us a headstart in ability usage. It reminded me of the Jester Game we do in NF.

Of course the price we pay for that is a civ night kill, so I'm not entirely sure the move is profitable. Would like to see a discussion on it, though.

There is only ever one scenario to vote no lynch and Day 1 ain't it.

I just described a different game as an example but logical reasoning doesn't work with you, so I won't insist.

that's not very nice

You play a few games with him and you'll understand why I'm doing it.

H's a very rational person, but getting him to admit reason from other people is... complicated.

Which, looking at it now, is kinda weird considering all the attention you were getting because of Speed

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ll put Lux on the town list and Genma on the naughty list.

I refuse to give Epi credit for being his grumpy self.

what did you like about lux?

you aren't allowed to say meta because you haven't played with her before!

Purity read.

[Luxurious]

I would ask what the odds are of two players going through like half of day 1 without interacting outside of one “dont worry about it!” Post but considering the amount of inactives it doesn't really seem that far fetched

[MacDougall]

I am 100% certain Jack is town.

Why?

Because Jack is the easiest player to read in the entire world.

is this a serious read

if so are you able to words about it

When Jack is Mafia he plays more carefully and less fancy free. He has a common town meta as Mafia and is more comfortable and loose when he is town. As town he is also want to give more phoned in efforts when as Mafia he has his game face on 25/8.

[Luxurious]

I’ll put Lux on the town list and Genma on the naughty list.

I refuse to give Epi credit for being his grumpy self.

what did you like about lux?

you aren't allowed to say meta because you haven't played with her before!

Purity read.

[something funny]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause when I offered to explain the read further, Genma was not interested.

oh please

Please what?

[Luxurious]

I am 100% certain Jack is town.

Why?

Because Jack is the easiest player to read in the entire world.

is this a serious read

if so are you able to words about it

When Jack is Mafia he plays more carefully and less fancy free. He has a common town meta as Mafia and is more comfortable and loose when he is town. As town he is also want to give more phoned in efforts when as Mafia he has his game face on 25/8.

This reads that he plays like scum when he’s town

[MacDougall]

I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

Is that a good or a bad thing

I would say it's a good thing for you because if he is town I trust his judgement more than most and if he is Mafia I don't think he'd be as blatant at drawing connections between you two.

That being said I did have a conversation with him recently in which he claimed that he prefers to be on Mafia teams that work in union.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am 100% certain Jack is town.

Why?

Because Jack is the easiest player to read in the entire world.

is this a serious read

if so are you able to words about it

When Jack is Mafia he plays more carefully and less fancy free. He has a common town meta as Mafia and is more comfortable and loose when he is town. As town he is also want to give more phoned in efforts when as Mafia he has his game face on 25/8.

You know, 6 months ago, my scum meta was that I didn’t give a shit and just posted memes.

[MacDougall]

I am 100% certain Jack is town.

Why?

Because Jack is the easiest player to read in the entire world.

is this a serious read

if so are you able to words about it

When Jack is Mafia he plays more carefully and less fancy free. He has a common town meta as Mafia and is more comfortable and loose when he is town. As town he is also want to give more phoned in efforts when as Mafia he has his game face on 25/8.

This reads that he plays like scum when he’s town

He plays like a low effort townie when he is town and he plays like a supertown when is Mafia.

[Epignosis]

Please let's lynch DDL. There's not a speck of townie on him.

-Opportunistic jump on speedchuchk's bait and according from others, chuck is renowned as someone who hates no lynching so I'm not understanding how he doesn't see it as a joke.

-His post explaining why there could be a reason for wanting to no lynch is illogical in itself and a big contradiction to his previous actions. Not to note, he completely ignored it and is trying something now against Novas.

-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.

-Now he's making a rather weak case against Novas, coming to this conclusion from Mac calling him out. Seems like the dude was trying to make a meta read that didn't work. Mans trying to get some town cred after doing much of nothing else huh? It ain't working fam.

These are all reasons I view DDL as a good little boy.

[MacDougall]

I am 100% certain Jack is town.

Why?

Because Jack is the easiest player to read in the entire world.

is this a serious read

if so are you able to words about it

When Jack is Mafia he plays more carefully and less fancy free. He has a common town meta as Mafia and is more comfortable and loose when he is town. As town he is also want to give more phoned in efforts when as Mafia he has his game face on 25/8.

You know, 6 months ago, my scum meta was that I didn’t give a shit and just posted memes.

Well I am basing this on up to date program files my friend

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ok so I guess I'm allowed to point out how nova is different than in the other game now?

Cuz he totally is.

Everyone: you’re scummy!!!
DDL: fine I’ll hoard all my thoughts right here and then one day I’ll die

I almost missed the toilet.

[Gemma]

Let me say it in other words.

Nova asking questions is not a reason to scum read him. It is also an argument that I was tempted to make when I was scum because I had nothing better to say.

Weak case making dressed in the guise of good case making.

DDL is bad. Back to DDL.

The case aint just "nova is asking questions"

If nova was asking questions and also tunneling the fuck out of someone while being a general pain in the ass it would be fine.

He's just prodding random peoplr all game. I'm yet to see if he intends to do anything with those answers. Like, you know, scumhunting.

can you talk about what he has done this game

rather than what he hasn't

that would be very helpful

[Epignosis]

Sorry for the outburst Epi I shouldn't bash you like that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think Jay and Epi are teammates. They haven't attacked each other yet.

I’m honestly scumreading Jay for not scumreading me yet.

[Luxurious]

I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

Is that a good or a bad thing

I would say it's a good thing for you because if he is town I trust his judgement more than most and if he is Mafia I don't think he'd be as blatant at drawing connections between you two.

That being said I did have a conversation with him recently in which he claimed that he prefers to be on Mafia teams that work in union.

Then it’s a good thing

[Luxurious]

Please let's lynch DDL. There's not a speck of townie on him.

-Opportunistic jump on speedchuchk's bait and according from others, chuck is renowned as someone who hates no lynching so I'm not understanding how he doesn't see it as a joke.

-His post explaining why there could be a reason for wanting to no lynch is illogical in itself and a big contradiction to his previous actions. Not to note, he completely ignored it and is trying something now against Novas.

-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.

-Now he's making a rather weak case against Novas, coming to this conclusion from Mac calling him out. Seems like the dude was trying to make a meta read that didn't work. Mans trying to get some town cred after doing much of nothing else huh? It ain't working fam.

These are all reasons I view DDL as a good little boy.

Why do you think his “retreat” to steal his word choice, was good

[Epignosis]

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

um

why is it iffy for someone to care what your reads are and prod you accordingly

i am confused

Everything you’ve asked is surface level and doesnt go deeper than that. The whole conversation with epi felt like a weird attempt at questioning, and then the lol at the end doesnt make sense to me.

Why do you think JJJ should be town read?

um

epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question, so i asked him what his jjj read was in order to tell if he was town genuinely suspecting jjj or scum just wanting to throw cheap shade. he refused to tell me what his jjj read actually was. how exactly does my questioning feel weird when it was epig who was being rude to me and trying to gaslight me?

i wasn't implying that jjj should be townread, or anything else about him. if there is a reason for jjj to be town it's probably his wild bursts of posting, but that's not very good reasoning

i loled because what else am i supposed to do when someone refuses to talk to me and eventually answered my question about someone he is apparently scumreading by saying that he doesn't have to talk about his townreads. nothing i've asked is surface level, you just aren't looking any deeper, and apparently aren't even reading the posts if that is your takeaway from our exchange? the dude is clearly more interested in his own sense of privilege than actually talking to another person as an equal (sorry if that's a bit harsh)

Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

why

Am I supposed to assume he's a civilian every time out?

yes

you didn't answer my question

[MacDougall]

[mention]Tsaiah[/mention] [mention]M Plus 7[/mention]. Last time I played with you two you both were enthusiastic about playing in a game with one another yet you're both non existent here. Are you getting your jollies off in BTSC?

[Epignosis]

And what is this privilege I have that I'm so interested in? Is it my Internet connection? Don't we all have those?

[Luxurious]

@Tsaiah @M Plus 7. Last time I played with you two you both were enthusiastic about playing in a game with one another yet you're both non existent here. Are you getting your jollies off in BTSC?

They both died and went to dvc without me

[Epignosis]

I have never seen Epi treat anyone the way he is treating Luxurious. It's almost like he ... likes you?

I like the cut of his jib.

[Epignosis]

Or her jib.

Somebody's jib.

[Luxurious]

Or her jib.

Somebody's jib.

Her

[Epignosis]

Ok so I guess I'm allowed to point out how nova is different than in the other game now?

Cuz he totally is.

Everyone: you’re scummy!!!
DDL: fine I’ll hoard all my thoughts right here and then one day I’ll die

I think you have taken this out of context.

[Gemma]

DDL read Nova's ISO again. You will see muchos scum hunting imo.

The burden of proof belongs to whoever says something exists.

I don't care enough about defending him to go and pull posts for you. If you don't give enough of a fuck about being right then that says more about you than me.

i mean, it's kind of reasonable of him to ask for where you think nova has been scumhunting

it's hard to pull quotes of not-something

[Epignosis]

Ok so I guess I'm allowed to point out how nova is different than in the other game now?

Cuz he totally is.

Everyone: you’re scummy!!!
DDL: fine I’ll hoard all my thoughts right here and then one day I’ll die

I had to wait for nova to die in the other game to point that out.

Yeah, that's the context.

[Epignosis]

I think Jay and Epi are teammates. They haven't attacked each other yet.

I don't have the strength.

[Gemma]

Gemma why do people keep calling you Genma?

it's a mystery

[Epignosis]

Please let's lynch DDL. There's not a speck of townie on him.

-Opportunistic jump on speedchuchk's bait and according from others, chuck is renowned as someone who hates no lynching so I'm not understanding how he doesn't see it as a joke.

-His post explaining why there could be a reason for wanting to no lynch is illogical in itself and a big contradiction to his previous actions. Not to note, he completely ignored it and is trying something now against Novas.

-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.

-Now he's making a rather weak case against Novas, coming to this conclusion from Mac calling him out. Seems like the dude was trying to make a meta read that didn't work. Mans trying to get some town cred after doing much of nothing else huh? It ain't working fam.

These are all reasons I view DDL as a good little boy.

Why do you think his “retreat” to steal his word choice, was good

I don't think DDL cares what he looks like.

[Gemma]

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

um

why is it iffy for someone to care what your reads are and prod you accordingly

i am confused

Everything you’ve asked is surface level and doesnt go deeper than that. The whole conversation with epi felt like a weird attempt at questioning, and then the lol at the end doesnt make sense to me.

Why do you think JJJ should be town read?

the dude is clearly more interested in his own sense of privilege than actually talking to another person as an equal (sorry if that's a bit harsh)

This is a fair description of how Epignosis plays Mafia.

Different guy outside the game but no, you pretty much summed it up.

as either alignment?

[MacDougall]

DDL read Nova's ISO again. You will see muchos scum hunting imo.

The burden of proof belongs to whoever says something exists.

I don't care enough about defending him to go and pull posts for you. If you don't give enough of a fuck about being right then that says more about you than me.

i mean, it's kind of reasonable of him to ask for where you think nova has been scumhunting

it's hard to pull quotes of not-something

The argument can be rebuffed by literally clicking "isolate posts by Novaselinenever" and reading them as far as I am concerned. He has put a stake in the ground on many points. DDL is outright making shit up about him.

[MacDougall]

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

um

why is it iffy for someone to care what your reads are and prod you accordingly

i am confused

Everything you’ve asked is surface level and doesnt go deeper than that. The whole conversation with epi felt like a weird attempt at questioning, and then the lol at the end doesnt make sense to me.

Why do you think JJJ should be town read?

the dude is clearly more interested in his own sense of privilege than actually talking to another person as an equal (sorry if that's a bit harsh)

This is a fair description of how Epignosis plays Mafia.

Different guy outside the game but no, you pretty much summed it up.

as either alignment?

Yes. I personally think Epignosis is the hardest player to read I've ever played with and I have played a lot.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I care what I look like.

Well, some of the time.

Saying things is more important than preserving myself.

But unsaying stupid things in order to preserve myself isn't bad.

[Gemma]

Talk to me about Jack. What do you see in his attitude?

read this post and let me know if there is any actual reasoning for a scumread in it

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Oof. Remember all the times DDL didn't do shit like this?

And remember the time he did shit like this to me when he was scum in Addams Family?

Bad reason to vote Speedchuck. Welcome to my scumreads.

What about this doesnt look like a real scum read to you gemma

he's angling on ddl and trying to use something ddl did in a past game as reason for why he is mafia in this game. it's basically just shade

[Luxurious]

Talk to me about Jack. What do you see in his attitude?

read this post and let me know if there is any actual reasoning for a scumread in it

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Oof. Remember all the times DDL didn't do shit like this?

And remember the time he did shit like this to me when he was scum in Addams Family?

Bad reason to vote Speedchuck. Welcome to my scumreads.

What about this doesnt look like a real scum read to you gemma

he's angling on ddl and trying to use something ddl did in a past game as reason for why he is mafia in this game. it's basically just shade

Does knowing the fact he uses meta make this a worse look for you since you admitted that you dont like it?

How about his change of stance now?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Tsaiah @M Plus 7. Last time I played with you two you both were enthusiastic about playing in a game with one another yet you're both non existent here. Are you getting your jollies off in BTSC?

They’re snogging.